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[02:21:35] <fakingfantastic> i installed mac ports with imagemagick, but it can't identify a doc file or pdf or png, is there a way to add those in?
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[03:10:21] <ToHellWithGA> aber is a dork
[03:10:31] <ToHellWithGA> he's not registered so i can't tell him that mpd used to link against 10.5
[03:10:43] <ToHellWithGA> his solution really should be to figure out the syntax changes
[03:13:04] <ToHellWithGA> then he can contribute an if(SL) then (SL syntax) path to the upstream project
[03:13:18] <ToHellWithGA> s/path/patch/
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[03:25:06] <CIA-38> jmr at macports dot org * r64651 /trunk/dports/databases/sqlite3/Portfile:
[03:25:06] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64651
[03:25:06] <CIA-38> sqlite3: work around build failure on tiger (doesn't have gethostuuid)
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[03:38:07] <ToHellWithGA> is it bad to lie to a program and tell it that i am on freebsd?
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[03:50:54] <CIA-38> portindex at macports dot org * r64652 /trunk/dports/ (PortIndex PortIndex.quick):
[03:50:54] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64652
[03:50:54] <CIA-38> Total number of ports parsed: 6662
[03:50:54] <CIA-38> Ports successfully parsed: 6662
[03:50:54] <CIA-38> Ports failed: 0
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[04:35:58] <CIA-38> jmr at macports dot org * r64653 /trunk/base/src/port/port.tcl:
[04:35:58] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64653
[04:35:58] <CIA-38> explicitly run deactivate target in action_uninstall when needed so as to run pre/post code
[04:44:02] <CIA-38> macsforever2000 at macports dot org * r64654 /trunk/dports/net/finch/ (Portfile files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntwm.c):
[04:44:02] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64654
[04:44:02] <CIA-38> Maintainer update to version 2.6.5. (#23622)
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[04:52:15] <CIA-38> macsforever2000 at macports dot org * r64655 /trunk/dports/net/nsd/Portfile:
[04:52:15] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64655
[04:52:15] <CIA-38> Update to version 3.2.4. (#23596)
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[05:35:32] <CIA-38> jmr at macports dot org * r64656 /trunk/base/src/port/port.tcl:
[05:35:32] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64656
[05:35:32] <CIA-38> error handling when running portfiles from the registry
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[05:50:52] <CIA-38> portindex at macports dot org * r64657 /trunk/dports/ (PortIndex PortIndex.quick):
[05:50:52] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64657
[05:50:52] <CIA-38> Total number of ports parsed: 6662
[05:50:52] <CIA-38> Ports successfully parsed: 6662
[05:50:52] <CIA-38> Ports failed: 0
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[05:55:06] <CIA-38> macsforever2000 at macports dot org * r64658 /trunk/dports/science/EMBOSS/Portfile:
[05:55:06] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64658
[05:55:06] <CIA-38> Update to version 6.2.0. Added some missing dependencies. (#22907)
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[06:09:14] <CIA-38> takanori at macports dot org * r64659 /trunk/dports/kde/ (kdelibs3/Portfile kdelibs4/Portfile):
[06:09:14] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64659
[06:09:14] <CIA-38> kdelibs3, kdelibs4: declare conflicts (#23119)
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[06:50:58] <CIA-38> portindex at macports dot org * r64660 /trunk/dports/ (PortIndex PortIndex.quick):
[06:50:58] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64660
[06:50:58] <CIA-38> Total number of ports parsed: 6662
[06:50:58] <CIA-38> Ports successfully parsed: 6662
[06:50:58] <CIA-38> Ports failed: 0
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[07:46:16] <CIA-38> jmr at macports dot org * r64661 /trunk/base/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[07:46:16] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64661
[07:46:16] <CIA-38> factor out code for running targets on portfiles in the registry into new proc registry::run_target, use in portimage
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[08:31:24] <CIA-38> jmr at macports dot org * r64662 /trunk/base/src/registry2.0/registry_util.tcl:
[08:31:24] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64662
[08:31:24] <CIA-38> fix option handling in registry::run_target
[08:34:18] <CIA-38> jmr at macports dot org * r64663 /trunk/base/src/ (macports1.0/macports.tcl port/port.tcl):
[08:34:18] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64663
[08:34:18] <CIA-38> preserve requested property in upgrade
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[08:48:25] <kmag> I just did a port selfupdate followed by a port upgrade outdated.
[08:48:42] <kmag> port deps scons lists python26
[08:48:54] <kmag> and yet when I try to uninstall python25,
[08:49:07] <kmag> I'm told I can't because scons depends on it
[08:49:43] <kmag> clearly I'm misundarstanding how deps and upgrade work.
[08:49:56] <kmag> What am I doing wrong?
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[08:56:50] <CIA-38> jmr at macports dot org * r64664 /trunk/base/src/macports1.0/macports.tcl:
[08:56:50] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64664
[08:56:50] <CIA-38> use registry::run_target in upgrade
[08:56:53] <jmr_mp> probably nothing
[08:57:53] <jmr_mp> kmag: http://trac.macports.org/ticket/13054
[08:59:52] <kmag> CIA, jmr_mp : thx
[09:00:37] <jmr_mp> CIA is a bot :P
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[09:02:18] <kmag> Well, thanks to CIA's author, then.
[09:02:26] <jmr_mp> hmm?
[09:02:45] <jmr_mp> what has anything it has said had to do with your question?
[09:02:51] <kmag> err... looking at that... I misundestood
[09:02:52] <kmag> yea
[09:03:11] <jmr_mp> I just said a line in the middle of the commit message
[09:03:17] <jmr_mp> which I also triggered :)
[09:05:17] <kmag> I can understand to some extent port not updating the reverse dependency graph on every update
[09:05:27] <jmr_mp> it does
[09:05:35] <jmr_mp> the old dep_map format just fails
[09:06:13] <jmr_mp> it's purely a mapping of portname <-> portname
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[09:11:52] <kmag> jmr_mp: so, registry2.0 ... how does one upgrade to the newer registry version?
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[09:13:03] <kmag> jmr_mp: it looks lke that's a part of macports 1.9.0
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[09:25:16] <jmr_mp> kmag: the new registry is only in svn trunk at the moment
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[09:31:57] <kmag> jmr: is there a way to just dump the registry and rebuild it?
[09:32:32] <kmag> jmr: I'm guessing registry corrupton happens from time to time
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[09:34:47] <jmr_mp> no corruption issues that I'm aware of
[09:34:54] <jmr_mp> what would you rebuild it from?
[09:37:01] <kmag> The dependency data comes from the macports mirrors, right?  Presumably one could figure out which ports are installed by looking at what's present in /opt/
[09:37:37] <jmr_mp> sort of, and no
[09:38:06] <jmr_mp> I mean, apart from the fact that the receipts themselved are under /opt/local
[09:38:31] <kmag> So, if sqlite3 sh*ts itself, I'm scrod?
[09:39:00] <jmr_mp> pretty much
[09:39:10] <jmr_mp> no different than if the flat registry fails
[09:39:24] <kmag> cregistry is flat?
[09:39:39] <jmr_mp> no, cregistry uses sqlite
[09:39:54] <kmag> right now is my first time looking at the source of ports itself.
[09:40:34] <kmag> Did I guess wrong that cregistry is the predicessor of regisry2.0?
[09:40:42] <jmr_mp> the C bits in registry2.0 provide a tcl interface to cregistry
[09:40:58] <jmr_mp> receipt_flat.tcl is where most of the old registry format happens
[09:41:10] <kmag> ahh
[09:42:25] <kmag> Apart from the tarballs that get downloaded from third-party sites,
[09:42:32] <jmr_mp> hmm?
[09:42:43] <kmag> is there anything like a package file that gets created?
[09:42:47] <jmr_mp> distfiles have nothing to do with the registry, if that's what you're referring to
[09:43:12] <jmr_mp> only if you have archive mode on
[09:43:13] <kmag> Sorry, bad habbit of breaking before 80-column mark.
[09:43:58] <jmr_mp> there are all the package targets, but they're not used internally
[09:47:33] <kmag> Does registry2.0 distinguish between packages that have been intentionally installed, and those that have been pulled in as dependencies?
[09:47:38] <jmr_mp> yes
[09:48:14] <kmag> nice :-D  The ability to de-cruft is good.
[09:48:28] <jmr_mp> technically the flat receipts know that too, in trunk
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[09:55:00] <kmag> So, when port info llvm-devel lists only flex and bison as dependencies
[09:55:39] <kmag> but the install downloads python25, is that the result of poor dependency declaration in the port file?
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[10:19:18] <jmr_mp> kmag: I assume you're installing with the clang variant but not running port deps with it
[10:40:43] <kmag> jmr: yea, that was the problem.  thanks
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[10:56:03] <CIA-38> ryandesign at macports dot org * r64665 /trunk/www/install.php:
[10:56:03] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64665
[10:56:03] <CIA-38> install.php: remove nonsensical "respectively"
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[11:34:07] <cosmos> hi
[11:36:13] <cosmos> Python wxWidgets wrappers (py25-wxpython and wxWidgets) are installed and active but when I want to install the "gnuradio-wxgui" port I get : "checking for Python wxWidgets wrappers >= 2.8... no
[11:36:14] <cosmos> "
[11:36:49] <cosmos> any suggestions?
[11:37:00] <cosmos> do I have to symlink something?
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[13:40:05] <Albertii> hi
[13:41:19] <Albertii> is MacPorts & DarwinPorts , the same ? DarwinPorts installs as Macports ,( only the distribution DMG is renamed) do both use the same respesitories or do they both have their on ?
[13:42:55] <Albertii> Is MacPorts (& DarwinPorts) the Mac version of the BSD Ports system ? if yes do both use the same source in combination with the ports file ?
[13:44:05] <N_Ox> DarwinPorts is the formername of MacPorts
[13:44:12] <Albertii> i ask because, BSD Ports from OpenBSD can also be bootstrapped to work on OS X
[13:44:25] <N_Ox> if you're talking about darwinports.com, this site is a scam
[13:44:39] <Albertii> yes , but it also is www.darwinports.com
[13:45:16] <Albertii> yes , that scam , as you say , is it work as i thk it is , see my question above
[13:45:55] <N_Ox> It's a scam, why would you want to use it?
[13:46:15] <Albertii> have i said that i want to ?
[13:46:57] <N_Ox> then I don't see what is the question, how would it use something else than MacPorts if it is a scam?
[13:46:58] <Albertii> i just don't get it that such a "scam" is allowed the persist
[13:48:00] <N_Ox> well, just like most of the websites using a name to get ad revenues, nobody cares enough to get them down
[13:48:10] <Albertii> Well seeing as MacPorts is available in source aswell , the "scammer" might have done more , which obviously he hasn't
[13:48:25] <N_Ox> otherwise, BSD Ports and MacPorts have nothing in common on the technical side
[13:50:52] <Albertii> so this bootstrapped build of Pprts from OpenBSD would be like a 3th Ports system for Mac/darwin ?
[13:51:16] <Albertii> Yours & Fink being the others
[13:51:58] <jmr_mp> sure, why not
[13:53:06] <Albertii> Well there is even more others, like OpenPKG (RPM) & something from Gentoo aswell
[13:53:15] <Ionic> MacPorts is more like Gentoo's portage
[13:53:35] <jmr_mp> only completely different ;)
[13:54:21] <Albertii> So MacPorts is build from ground up
[13:54:28] <Ionic> Yes it is
[13:54:42] <Ionic> As you can see at this poor quality *ducks and runs*
[13:54:42] <Albertii> & Fink ? if i may ask ?
[13:54:55] <jmr_mp> fink uses dpkg
[13:55:24] <jmr_mp> and some semi-shell-based format for building
[13:56:09] <Albertii> So fink is a copy of the debian source made working on Darwin
[13:56:33] <jmr_mp> that's not how I would describe it
[13:57:32] <Albertii> the finks system is like a copy of the debians ports system, rewritten & made for Darwin/Mac
[13:57:42] <Albertii> better or still wrong ?
[13:58:03] <jmr_mp> it's not *like* apt, it *is* apt
[13:58:04] <Albertii> Maybe you discribe it to me :)
[13:58:36] <Ionic> jmr_mp: uhm, does Fink provide binary packages?
[13:58:39] <jmr_mp> yes
[13:58:42] <jmr_mp> sometimes
[13:58:44] <Ionic> Oh my
[13:59:39] <Albertii> do you see that as a bad feature , providing bin instead of src ?
[13:59:46] <jmr_mp> no
[13:59:49] <Ionic> I do
[13:59:55] <jmr_mp> well, instead of is
[14:00:01] <jmr_mp> as well as isn't
[14:00:31] <Ionic> Personally, I'd hate it :p
[14:00:42] <Albertii> Well its indeed aswell but bin are older versions then src versions are
[14:00:59] <Albertii> Well maybe not for all packages
[14:01:40] <Albertii> But i fell over it looking for 'Pidgin' & only finding 'GAIM'
[14:03:18] <Ionic> The renaming was done some years ago...
[14:04:08] <Albertii> so Fink gives a Bin from a version from a few years ago (1.5.0) & src from recent (2.x.X)
[14:05:54] <Albertii> On the MacPorts side , i see also that some src is older then current , noted by installing some of the Aqua stuff & then seeing that dl'ing the App from developers website instead of with MacPorts gives a more recent version
[14:08:18] <Albertii> I also noted that some packages just wont finnish build on my Mac using MacPorts , i had better luck with fink But i was using the binary branch of their reposit atm
[14:08:56] <jmr_mp> no distro is in lockstep with upstream
[14:09:38] <Albertii> sorry , no understand that
[14:10:48] <Albertii> another thing , where can i get a Darwin installer ?
[14:10:59] <jmr_mp> store.apple.com?
[14:11:10] <Albertii> So i can use bare darwin with MacPorts in a virtualizer
[14:11:29] <jmr_mp> yeah, good luck with that
[14:11:39] <Albertii> i thk you want to sell me Mac OS X
[14:11:57] <jmr_mp> well, your other choices are ancient and mostly broken
[14:12:17] <Albertii> there used to be installers at opnsource.apple.com but these are ancient & gone
[14:12:23] <Ionic> Will OS X even work in VMWare/VBox/Paralelles?
[14:12:29] <Albertii> i have an archive of them though
[14:12:32] <lut4rp> Only OS X Server
[14:12:38] <lut4rp> and not in VBox
[14:12:41] <Ionic> I see
[14:12:53] <Albertii> OS X servers runs within a virtualized system ?
[14:12:59] <Ionic> ...
[14:13:03] <Ionic> Sure
[14:13:04] <Albertii> re
[14:13:20] <lut4rp> Is it just me, or does Pallet not work on SL right now?
[14:13:29] <lut4rp> I'm looking at Pallet as a potential GSoC idea.
[14:13:37] <Albertii> i wanted something like that , but was told impossible & possible breach of license
[14:14:17] <jmr_mp> http://www.puredarwin.org/ if you feel like some pain
[14:14:22] <Albertii> i wanted to run say 2 or 3 instances of OS X virtualized from a darwin based Xen
[14:14:23] <Ionic> Albertii: the Server version of OS X may work in a virtualized system, however, OS X servers run natively of course.
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[14:14:44] <jmr_mp> lut4rp: http://trac.macports.org/wiki/MacPortsGUI
[14:14:51] <lut4rp> Albertii, you can legally run Mac OS X Server using VMWare
[14:14:58] <lut4rp> BUT only on Mac OS X clients.
[14:15:14] <lut4rp> (which kinda misses the point...)
[14:15:15] <Albertii> yes , but even puredarwin is based on 10.4 not current darwin
[14:15:24] <jmr_mp> 10.5 last I heard
[14:15:36] <jmr_mp> I'm sure they'd love help to change that :P
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[14:15:43] <Ionic> Haha yeah
[14:15:48] <Ionic> jmr_mp: running Xorg and GNOME :P
[14:15:48] <lut4rp> jmr_mp, right, that's where I am right now.
[14:16:05] * lut4rp checks trac
[14:16:37] <jmr_mp> hm, http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/images/darwinx86-801.iso.gz still exists
[14:17:08] <Ionic> Darwin 8.01?
[14:17:09] <Albertii> Lut4rp, OS X Server but not client ?
[14:17:23] <lut4rp> Albertii, nope
[14:17:30] <lut4rp> Albertii, only OS X Server inside an OS X client
[14:17:34] <Ionic> Albertii: you have to run the virtualized stuff on Apple Hardware
[14:17:52] <Ionic> Otherwise virtualizing OS X Server is not legal
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[14:18:30] <Albertii> okay , now i am on apple hardware , the processeor allows running 2 OS virtaully at ther same time but it's not legal ?
[14:18:51] <Ionic> It would be
[14:19:01] <Albertii> unless with Server & within VMware
[14:19:24] <Ionic> It has nothing to do with "withhin VMWare"...
[14:19:38] <Ionic> Oh boy, I'm outta :p
[14:20:13] <Albertii> So if i managed to port Xen to install in Darwin, which will boot from EFI & then run OS X on an Intel Mac as an instance of Xen it would be legal ?
[14:20:57] <jmr_mp> oh yeah, I forgot the most fun option of all: install the darwinbuild port :)
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[14:21:45] * Ionic installs jmr_mp on Dell hardware
[14:22:00] <Albertii> Would it be possible to do such virtualization from within EFI ? EFI is programmable , right
[14:23:40] <Albertii> Maybe an idea for Apple , if they want a BootCamp Pro
[14:24:59] <Albertii> Guys , i can ask that stuff here right ?
[14:25:33] <jmr_mp> you can ask whatever you like
[14:27:11] <Albertii> no really what i want can(t be offered with bootcamp nor with VMware/parallels/VirtualBox
[14:28:10] <Ionic> I don't even really get what you want to do
[14:28:14] <Albertii> Am i the only one intressed in such ? i think of Mac Developers needing to run Mac OS X Dev Seeds
[14:29:02] <Albertii> Running 2 or More OS at the same time both with same privileges , with no real Host OS/ Application
[14:29:28] <Ionic> What would be the benefit of this, if not limited ressources?
[14:30:55] <Albertii> in my case running Mac OS X , Darwin without Aqua , & a form of *nix , i prolly run no more then 2 OS at a time & prolly wont run a task & backgroud the OS to work in another
[14:32:07] <Ionic> Every OS draws ressources no matter which activity is involved, and to be honest: what's the point of Darwin without Aqua?
[14:32:28] <Albertii> learning
[14:32:53] <jmr_mp> so basically you want a hypervisor
[14:33:19] <Albertii> or an equal based system
[14:33:31] <jmr_mp> it just so happens I wrote a paper on this ;)
[14:34:06] <Ionic> jmr_mp: and you came to the decision, that...? :P
[14:34:31] <Albertii> it would be awesome ?
[14:34:36] <jmr_mp> that I successfully got two instances of xnu running on one machine
[14:34:45] <Ionic> I see
[14:35:02] <Albertii> that's a good start, isn't it
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[14:35:29] <jmr_mp> http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/software/darbat/
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[14:35:36] <anddam> hello
[14:36:06] <jmr_mp> sadly the project got no further funding
[14:37:25] <Albertii> i didn't find that yesterday , i found Xen , KVM , UML which all looks great but no Mac support
[14:38:40] <Albertii> i talked with Xen in irc but they said it would violate Apple Licence , other then that Xen would have the possibility
[14:38:49] <jmr_mp> it would be interesting to see how much work would be involved in afterburning xnu
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[14:39:02] <anddam> where should I put a tarball to test a Portfile?
[14:39:14] <anddam> dports or some file:/// URI?
[14:39:37] <Albertii> brb
[14:39:37] <jmr_mp> better move to a country where EULAs are not binding
[14:39:43] <anddam> I want to be able to perform a "port clean -all" and get this tarball (a svn HEAD  export)
[14:39:45] <jmr_mp> iceland, perhaps ;)
[14:39:51] <anddam> jmr_mp: Wonderland?
[14:40:17] <jmr_mp> anddam: tarball as in distfile?
[14:40:18] <Albertii> i thought the OS X uela was not binding in Belgium , but don't shoot me if i'm wrong :)
[14:40:24] <Albertii> brb , rezlly
[14:40:32] <anddam> jmr_mp: as in distfile
[14:40:48] <jmr_mp> just put it in the dist_subdir then
[14:41:23] <anddam> jmr_mp: won't a clean --all delete it?
[14:41:28] <jmr_mp> yes
[14:41:33] <jmr_mp> so don't do that :P
[14:41:40] <anddam> I want to be able to clean
[14:41:45] <jmr_mp> then do
[14:41:53] <jmr_mp> just don't add --dist or --all
[14:41:57] <anddam> k
[14:42:02] <anddam> pls assist me with py*
[14:42:18] <anddam> is there a standard python way to add a module?
[14:42:25] <anddam> I mean a way that is suitable for macports
[14:42:38] <jmr_mp> usually comes with a setup.py
[14:42:49] <anddam> google-docs-fs switched from a INSTALL.py that installed things in /usr/bin (!!)
[14:42:51] <anddam> to a setup.py
[14:43:03] <jmr_mp> ok, that's good
[14:43:11] <anddam> but I see that setup.py is skipping destroot at all, ignoring DESTROOT
[14:43:31] <anddam> that is after destroot phase I have _no_ work/destroot dir
[14:43:39] <anddam> and that's not good
[14:44:16] <jmr_mp> you're just using the portgroup?
[14:45:33] <anddam> yes
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[14:47:52] <anddam> jmr_mp: wait , no
[14:48:00] <anddam> I missed the group
[14:48:02] <anddam> is it needed?
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[14:48:42] <jmr_mp> no, but it's rather convenient
[14:53:38] <anddam> done, I see distdir is "python" for py portgroup
[14:54:58] <anddam> is python setup module from distutils.core enough to have a healthy portfile?
[14:58:45] * anddam tears from joy
[14:59:02] <anddam> has moving mp from tcl to py discussed already?
[14:59:34] <anddam> this seems to have all the chances to be a real flame :-)
[15:00:00] <anddam> jmr_mp: anything against duplicate packages?
[15:00:37] <jmr_mp> anything for them?
[15:02:05] <anddam> well, sometimes more is more than less
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[15:02:55] <Albertii> atleast its not Less then less
[15:04:39] <N_Ox> Python is a shitty language which should not exist
[15:06:13] <anddam> like compared to perl for instance?
[15:06:24] <anddam> why shitty?
[15:06:43] <N_Ox> any language which syntax is based on indentation should be destroyed
[15:07:32] <N_Ox> and its badly documented data model is a nightmare
[15:07:54] <Albertii> but it's a default part of Mac OS X :)
[15:08:31] <N_Ox> as Ruby, which sucks less and less with time
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[15:34:11] <anddam> the py script ended up specifying #!/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python  as interpreter
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[15:34:25] <anddam> this seems wrong as this way it can't load mp py* packages
[15:34:43] <anddam> where can I fix this?
[15:35:13] <anddam> I mean without patching the file by hand in post-destroot
[15:47:23] <anddam> Note: macfuse installs files outside the common directory structure.
[15:47:26] <anddam> bad, bad macfuse
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[16:24:13] <anddam> if someone knows how to avoid that setup.py changes "#!/usr/bin/env python" into #!/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python drops a line
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[16:49:55] <anddam> where are portgroups' files?
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[16:52:01] <anddam> man portgroup says nothing about python25 1.0 group
[16:55:10] <anddam> nvm, found in the Guide
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[17:43:41] <mpbot> krunk- is jameskyle and maintainer of py26-pynifti, newran, mp4v2-dev, and py26-pymvpa (of 28 total)
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[18:26:40] <khindenburg> Anyone else getting slocate checksum errors for 3.1?
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[18:52:41] <CIA-38> ram at macports dot org * r64666 /trunk/dports/python/py26-tz/Portfile:
[18:52:41] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64666
[18:52:41] <CIA-38> python/py26-tz: update to 2010e
[18:52:46] <CIA-38> ram at macports dot org * r64667 /trunk/dports/python/py25-tz/Portfile:
[18:52:46] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64667
[18:52:46] <CIA-38> python/py25-tz: update to 2010e
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[19:32:46] <Raim> khindenburg: no, checksum matches
[19:32:56] <Raim> khindenburg: fetching from lil.fr.distfiles.macports.org
[19:48:40] <Ionic> Raim: what's wrong? :)
[19:48:57] <Ionic> Ah, ok, nothing
[19:49:10] <Ionic> I may have to sync the mirror more often, hum
[19:50:59] <CIA-38> portindex at macports dot org * r64668 /trunk/dports/PortIndex:
[19:51:00] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64668
[19:51:00] <CIA-38> Total number of ports parsed: 6662
[19:51:01] <CIA-38> Ports successfully parsed: 6662
[19:51:01] <CIA-38> Ports failed: 0
[19:51:23] * lut4rp hmms at Tcl
[19:51:42] <CIA-38> adfernandes at macports dot org * r64669 /trunk/dports/science/ggobi/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
[19:51:42] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64669
[19:51:42] <CIA-38> new port: science/ggobi; ticket #24041; a visualization sytem for high-dimensional data
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[20:02:51] <Raim> Ionic: do you sync with distfiles.macports.org or mirror yourself?
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[20:04:19] <tvon> Not to be rude (in a rush) but yall should really consider moving to github and revamping the homepage.  Homebrew keeps getting pushed around as a "better than Macports" (sans any justification) alternative, and the accessability of their code and their website is a big selling point.
[20:04:43] <tvon> I know this is OSS and not business vs business, but with users and mindshare come contributors...
[20:04:46] <tvon> my $0.02 anyway
[20:04:48] * tvon tips his hat
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[20:07:12] <Ionic> Raim: that's my mirror :)
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[20:26:25] <Raim> Ionic: yeah, I know. :)
[20:26:47] <Raim> Ionic: but by "sync more often" you mean from distfiles.macports.org, right?
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[20:32:17] <toby> heh, did some guy just hit & run the irc channel
[20:32:20] <toby> to tell us to use git?
[20:32:48] <toby> git must be pretty great, considering how many of its users seem to be such fanatics
[20:33:20] <uebera||> "even gits can use git"? :)
[20:33:24] <toby> thing i don't get is that every time someone tries to "sell me" on using git
[20:33:30] <toby> every feature they mention
[20:33:37] <toby> i can do fairly easily with svn
[20:35:04] * toby shrugs
[20:35:37] <tvon> No, I was saying to use git or hg, but primariy to get on github or bitbucket in some kind of official capacity
[20:36:09] <toby> hah, it figures, homebrew is even written in ruby
[20:36:13] <toby> what a surprise
[20:36:14] <tvon> basically I keep seeing "use Homebrew becuase it's in ruby and on github" stories on Hacker News, and it's annoying, but I think being on one of those two sites is important for lowering the barrier to entry
[20:36:31] <tvon> yeah, I know, reminds me of everyone pushing rails, but there are some valid points in there
[20:36:34] <toby> i don't see what difference that makes
[20:36:44] <toby> macports has more than enough hosting
[20:37:08] <toby> how does requiring people to install version control that doesn't ship with the OS make it more accessible? :P
[20:37:27] <tvon> they're going to have it installed anyway
[20:37:39] <toby> really?
[20:37:51] <tvon> if they're going to pull down the source, yes, odds are they'll have git
[20:38:05] <toby> right, but with macports you don't have to install git
[20:38:20] <toby> i, for one, do not have git installed
[20:38:42] <toby> i think Tcl is a far bigger issue as far as discouraging contributions goes
[20:39:17] <toby> i mean, fight the language wars all you want - Tcl actually has technical shortcomings that make things very, very painful
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[20:50:49] <CIA-38> portindex at macports dot org * r64670 /trunk/dports/ (PortIndex PortIndex.quick):
[20:50:49] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64670
[20:50:49] <CIA-38> Total number of ports parsed: 6663
[20:50:49] <CIA-38> Ports successfully parsed: 6663
[20:50:49] <CIA-38> Ports failed: 0
[20:51:01] <Raim> tvon: so why don't we use bzr and use launchpad? :P
[20:52:27] <tvon> haven't looked at launchapd in a while, can't say if that woudl be an improvement or not
[20:52:50] <tvon> seems much less friendly than github or bitbucket
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[20:53:16] <tvon> the point isn't git at all, I don't care about git, the point is to be on a site like github or bitbucket that makes it clear that a project is active and alive and lowers the barrier for contributors
[20:53:54] <tvon> I mean, homebrew has mostly nonsense reasons for being used over macports, but they are getting a few very rails-esque things very right
[20:53:55] <Raim> people can also just visit macosforge and see that we are alive, I don't see the point
[20:55:04] <tvon> exposure, basically, macosforge is a warhouse in the industrial district that you have to use google maps to find, github is the shopping center where people will look first
[20:55:06] <tvon> IMO and all
[20:55:32] <Raim> github is for those git fanbois only :P
[20:55:54] <tvon> github is for people who don't care about VCS wars
[20:56:00] <Raim> hu?
[20:56:06] <tvon> it's the sourceforge of this decade
[20:56:13] <tvon> sourceforge + freshmeat
[20:56:46] <tvon> not that there aren't git fanboys but for the most part if someone, today, says "i'm goign to make this code I spent the weekend on open source", they're going to put it on github
[20:56:58] <tvon> unless they've already "bought into" another system
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[20:58:06] <Raim> I don't know...
[20:58:08] <tvon> I didn't mean to make this SVN vs anything, I just thought I'd say something because i'm fearing a world where something technically inferior because the de-facto standard because it has more exposure and better marketing.
[20:58:30] <Raim> if you use macports you know where to find resources and developer contacts
[20:58:41] <tvon> isn't that kind of a catch-22 though?
[20:59:24] <tvon> at the least, I'd think a svn hook to push to a "blessed" github or bitbucket repo would be a good idea...
[20:59:34] <tvon> I don't know, maybe it wouldn't mean anything to anyone
[21:00:00] <Raim> either you are already a user or you don't care for development resources, like the source code
[21:00:22] <Raim> I don't think anyone will find and use macports by stumbling over a github project
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[21:02:25] <toby> huh, weird
[21:02:39] <toby> i generally assume that github projects are just pet projects written by linux weenies
[21:03:02] <tvon> there are a lot of big projects there
[21:03:11] * tvon shrugs
[21:03:16] <tvon> if nobody is into it, nobody is into it
[21:03:18] <toby> also (not that it's even slightly an issue), our current host is quite a bit better, bandwidth-wise :P
[21:03:31] <tvon> but I'd suggest that you find a github project worth contributing to and try contributing, it's about as painless as it gets
[21:03:40] * tvon nods
[21:03:44] <toby> i'd have to install git
[21:03:59] <tvon> toby: well, you're kind of making a religious issue out of it
[21:04:10] <toby> not really, i'm just not sure what advantage we'd get
[21:04:18] <tvon> and you're unwilling to find out
[21:04:20] <toby> from switching to a site that *causes* people to have religious issues
[21:04:29] <tvon> again, that's coming from you
[21:04:31] <toby> actually no, i just don't have time/energy to contribute to open source
[21:04:45] <toby> i can barely maintain my own ports here, let alone go work on some other random thing
[21:04:55] <tvon> then that's a different issue
[21:05:04] <toby> right
[21:05:17] <toby> and yet, i still don't see the benefit of switching to some other website to host
[21:05:20] <toby> when we already have one
[21:05:27] <toby> yes, i'll admit the macports website could use some work
[21:05:37] <toby> but beyond that...
[21:05:49] <lut4rp> what is the website written on?
[21:05:56] <toby> php, mostly
[21:06:00] <toby> as if that matters :P
[21:06:08] <lut4rp> hrm
[21:06:11] <Raim> HTML? :P
[21:06:23] <Raim> php, but only some variables and includes
[21:06:42] <lut4rp> it might be possible fr me to club it with the UX improvements idea.
[21:06:47] <lut4rp> for*
[21:07:49] <lut4rp> I did a GSoC last year with Drupal, I have sufficient PHP experience :-)
[21:07:56] <Raim> lut4rp: I didn't answer to your mail yet, but actually I think one bigger project is better suited for GSoC and this many tiny little things
[21:08:12] <lut4rp> Raim, perhaps.
[21:09:11] <Raim> lut4rp: and in website redesign I would rather see MPWA running and switch all the other content left to the wiki
[21:09:20] <lut4rp> Raim, I'm interested in the Pallet idea, but I'm still drafting the proposal.
[21:09:26] <tvon> a github wiki?
[21:09:28] <tvon> just kidding
[21:09:29] <lut4rp> Ah yes, MPWA
[21:09:42] <Raim> tvon: nah, existing Trac :)
[21:09:52] <lut4rp> but thats RoR, out of my domain.
[21:09:56] <lut4rp> :-)
[21:10:03] <Raim> lut4rp: well, it does not have to be
[21:10:36] <lut4rp> hehe.
[21:10:47] <Raim> lut4rp: jberry once did some work with RoR on this, but this was years ago, still rails 1.x
[21:11:04] <Raim> doesn't really matter what it would be written in
[21:14:33] <lut4rp> Raim, I know more Python than Ruby
[21:14:52] <lut4rp> but I know much more Objective C and PHP than Python itself :)
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[21:19:04] <cosmos> hi
[21:20:25] <cosmos> still have problems with wxwidgets (taht I have active) and the install of gnuradio-wxgui: checking for Python wxWidgets wrappers >= 2.8... no
[21:21:16] <cosmos> I've done a sudo port selfupdate and sudo port upgrade outdated, but same issue
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[21:49:38] <lut4rp> Raim, actually, MPWA looks much more interesting to me than the Pallet idea. But would you rate one of them more important over the other?
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[21:50:09] <lut4rp> also, should we move away from the existing RoR code (if I attempt it, I'll do it in Python)
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[21:51:24] <lut4rp> I'm already doing a FOSS project on Objective-C/Cocoa, ergo I have more experience in it than Python.
[21:51:30] <CIA-38> ryandesign at macports dot org * r64671 /trunk/dports/gnome/gnome-doc-utils/Portfile:
[21:51:30] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64671
[21:51:30] <CIA-38> gnome-doc-utils: fix bug number #23954 in comment
[21:52:18] <Raim> lut4rp: yeah, in my opinion you can just ignore the old code and design your own thing from ground up
[21:52:27] <Raim> lut4rp: it was last touched in 2007...
[21:52:41] <lut4rp> Yes, svn says 3 years ago.
[21:53:32] <Raim> lut4rp: it was mostly an interface to browse existing ports, but nothing more
[21:53:54] <lut4rp> Raim, locally? (like the Transmission app)
[21:54:02] <lut4rp> or on macports.org itself?
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[21:54:26] <Raim> lut4rp: a web interface on macports.org
[21:55:17] <Raim> lut4rp: the plan was to have rating, comments etc. and eventually support user submissions (via 'port submit')
[21:55:24] <lut4rp> Raim, sounds something like pypi or CPAN to me.
[21:55:27] <khindenburg> Raim: I just sync-ed and it still says checksum error for slocate 3.1
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[21:56:36] <Raim> lut4rp: don't know pypi, and CPAN is more like its own distribution system (as is PEAR for PHP or gem for ruby)
[21:56:43] <Raim> lut4rp: what I would find really interesting would be something like http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/
[21:57:11] * lut4rp sees
[21:57:26] <Raim> lut4rp: this is a place where developers can upload new packages for ubuntu, where they receive comments etc.
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[21:57:49] <_wms> lut4rp: python would fit nicely on the servers (alongside Trac), but just make sure it works with PostgreSQL.
[21:58:08] <Raim> lut4rp: when at least two MOTU (masters of the universe) accept the package it goes into their repositories
[21:58:40] <Raim> lut4rp: maybe this existing tool could be modified...
[21:58:40] <lut4rp> Raim, I see.
[21:58:45] <lut4rp> wow, this is interesting indeed.
[21:59:33] <Raim> lut4rp: our current approach of handling updates and submissions in Trac just fails too often as nobody takes a look or cares about the ticket and it just rots there without commit
[22:02:38] <ToHellWithGA> Raim: it's not that bad
[22:02:58] <ToHellWithGA> when tickets are assigned and the assignee can actually do something about it they are dealt with
[22:03:58] <Raim> ToHellWithGA: yeah, sure. but look at this: http://trac.macports.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&order=time&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=time&col=changetime&type=submission&report=12
[22:04:23] <Raim> maybe we should just close all submissions with last activity >6 months ago
[22:04:30] <ToHellWithGA> are any of them trivial?
[22:05:18] <ToHellWithGA> ryan schmidt seems to do a good job picking up tickets when the fix is quick and the port is unmaintained
[22:05:45] <ToHellWithGA> the real problem seems to be absentee, or in my case inept
[22:06:00] <ToHellWithGA> i know how to deal with about half of the tickets i'm assigned
[22:06:16] <Raim> ToHellWithGA: yeah, Ryan is incredible in reading all commits and tickets
[22:07:20] <Raim> ToHellWithGA: most of the time I just glance over the tickets list and do something if I immediately see what the problem is
[22:07:37] <ToHellWithGA> i do like the "haspatch" keyword
[22:08:28] <ToHellWithGA> if i know padiddle about a port but somebody has created a patch i can run 'deactivate active', apply the patch, and run 'destroot'
[22:09:24] <ToHellWithGA> so long as all of that work it is cake to commit the change and just leave a comment along the lines of 'fixed in r#####, verify that nothing's borked and close ticket'
[22:09:31] <ToHellWithGA> s/work/works/
[22:11:33] <Raim> ToHellWithGA: yep, haspatch is a good idea. some more "official" keywords could probably help
[22:11:36] <Raim> ToHellWithGA: http://trac.macports.org/wiki/Tickets
[22:13:16] <Raim> unfortunately, only committers can edit keywords or state
[22:13:52] <Raim> otherwise maintainers (non-committers) could just add that to indicate the patch is okay with them
[22:15:14] <lut4rp> Raim, I think it would be best to talk in detail about what the community would want in MPWA.
[22:15:20] <lut4rp> talk on the list, I mean
[22:16:22] <lut4rp> I'll do some research of my own too, I have to see Trac plugins.
[22:17:01] <lut4rp> and its almost 3AM here now, I'll take a leave :)
[22:17:09] <Raim> hm, a nice Trac plugin would also be possible (linking directly with tickets etc.)
[22:17:17] <lut4rp> Yes.
[22:17:51] <lut4rp> I'll look at each basic option before mailing the list, at least I'll know what options we have.
[22:18:06] <lut4rp> Raim, good night
[22:18:08] <Raim> but direct access to the Trac DB shouldn't be a problem either, although it might be a lot of rewrite
[22:18:25] <lut4rp> Hm
[22:18:26] <Raim> lut4rp: good night, looking forward to read your ideas!
[22:18:31] * lut4rp takes note
[22:18:47] <lut4rp> Thanks
[22:18:51] * lut4rp leaves :)
[22:18:56] <Raim> bye
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[22:21:32] <CIA-38> raimue at macports dot org * r64672 /trunk/dports/devel/bzr-explorer/Portfile:
[22:21:32] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64672
[22:21:32] <CIA-38> devel/bzr-explorer:
[22:21:32] <CIA-38> Update to version 1.0.1
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[22:26:06] <mpbot> N_Ox is Anthony (nox) and maintainer of hunspell-dict-uk_UA, php5-enchant, orocos-rtt, and php5-crack (of 153 total)
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[22:50:54] <CIA-38> portindex at macports dot org * r64673 /trunk/dports/PortIndex:
[22:50:54] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64673
[22:50:54] <CIA-38> Total number of ports parsed: 6663
[22:50:54] <CIA-38> Ports successfully parsed: 6663
[22:50:54] <CIA-38> Ports failed: 0
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[23:15:21] <spague> hello
[23:28:41] <CIA-38> tommyd at macports dot org * r64674 /trunk/dports/www/ikiwiki/Portfile:
[23:28:41] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64674
[23:28:41] <CIA-38> * new upstream version
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[23:48:40] <Ionic> Raim: yeah
[23:49:35] <Ionic> I was fetching ports and  distfiles every 3 hours, I lowered it to 1 and 2 hours now
[23:50:52] <CIA-38> portindex at macports dot org * r64675 /trunk/dports/PortIndex:
[23:50:53] <CIA-38> http://trac.macports.org/changeset/64675
[23:50:53] <CIA-38> Total number of ports parsed: 6663
[23:50:53] <CIA-38> Ports successfully parsed: 6663
[23:50:53] <CIA-38> Ports failed: 0
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