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[01:52:47] <James> hello, everybady
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[02:35:14] <james__> hello
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[02:35:30] <jameschu> hello
[02:35:52] <jameschu> hello eveybady
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[02:53:01] <jameschu> ??
[03:02:39] <jameschu> can jnode use in vituralbox?
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[05:28:04] <jameschu> hello Rommanio
[05:28:25] <rommanio> hello!
[05:31:32] <rommanio> I think Jnode can rum in VirtualBox
[05:32:57] <rommanio> But I'm not sure of that :)
[05:36:17] <jameschu> oh
[05:36:46] <rommanio> what? :)
[05:36:46] <jameschu> but I try a moment ago. it can not work
[05:37:16] <jameschu> rommanio, where are u now?
[05:39:16] <rommanio> hmm bit in VMWare Workstation it works... try it on VMWare server :)
[05:39:32] <rommanio> at home.
[06:15:51] <rommanio> Peda, sorry for my stupid question, but I don't understand IPC mechanism in JNode. I see documentatuin but I can't find description how IPC works.
[06:16:17] <rommanio> *documentation
[07:09:52] <jameschu> I am a freshman in JNode, So I don't know too
[07:10:09] <jameschu> but I think we can read the code of JNode
[07:11:11] <rommanio> I know.
[07:11:11] <rommanio> I asked peda :)
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[11:25:23] <rommanio> is there somebody? :)
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[13:09:44] <james> hello peda
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[13:10:41] <jameschu> who can give a detail design document of Jnode?
[13:10:43] <peda> hi
[13:10:56] <peda> I'm afraid nobody
[13:11:01] <jameschu> why?
[13:11:13] <peda> we don't have (good) design documents about JNode
[13:11:29] <jameschu> oh
[13:11:29] <peda> we know its design by "looking" at the code
[13:11:34] <jameschu> but how to control the quality?
[13:11:41] <peda> though there are some pdf slides in svn
[13:11:50] <jameschu> ok
[13:11:51] <peda> which explain some basics
[13:11:58] <jameschu> ok
[13:12:51] <jameschu> which job is urgent in the jnode project now?
[13:13:02] <jameschu> maybe I can joined you
[13:13:11] <peda> that would be great :)
[13:13:32] <peda> one of the most urgent "projects" imho is further stabilizing the core
[13:13:42] <peda> especiall find and fix all bugs in JNode :)
[13:13:57] <peda> we have a testsuite (mauve) which we use to test the API-conformance
[13:14:03] <jameschu> but I can not boot the jnode in my virturalbox
[13:14:09] <peda> and it still shows a huge pile of bugs
[13:14:15] <jameschu> ok
[13:14:28] <peda> virtual box has a problem with JNode for some reason
[13:14:33] <jameschu> why?
[13:14:36] <peda> we don't know why :)
[13:14:41] <jameschu> I like virtualbox
[13:14:49] <jameschu> it is open source
[13:14:49] <peda> Generally me too
[13:14:56] <peda> kvm is too
[13:15:02] <jameschu> but vmware is commercial
[13:15:03] <peda> and kvm _is_ fast and works with JNode
[13:15:16] <jameschu> kvm can run in ubuntu?
[13:15:18] <peda> vmware is commercial right, that's why I'm using kvm
[13:15:35] <peda> yes.. but only if you have a CPU with hardwarevirtualisation
[13:15:56] <jameschu> ok
[13:16:39] <peda> regarding the work todo: We're always trying to let people do what they like todo
[13:16:39] <jameschu> my laptop is intel centrino 2 core cpu
[13:16:56] <peda> that's ok.. except if it is a Sony Vaio
[13:16:58] <jameschu> maybe I can do the testsuite first
[13:17:13] <jameschu> no, my laptop is hp
[13:17:19] <peda> ok good :)
[13:17:33] <peda> Sony Vaio have some problems with virtualization.. they don't activate it
[13:17:38] <peda> but HP should be fine :)
[13:18:46] <peda> Oh, I just recognized that our automated testsuite is not working any more :/
[13:18:54] <peda> we had it here: http://testsuite.jnode.bucksch.org/
[13:19:06] <peda> though the bugs mentioned there are still present.. :
[13:19:07] <peda> :)
[13:19:55] <jameschu> I have installed kvm
[13:20:03] <jameschu> but how to use in ubuntu
[13:20:05] <rommanio> hi!
[13:20:46] <jameschu> kvm has not gui?
[13:20:55] <jameschu> only command line
[13:20:59] <jameschu> ??
[13:21:05] <rommanio> yes
[13:21:11] <peda> kvm has no gui right, but there are many frontends to it
[13:21:21] <rommanio> as i know
[13:21:21] <peda> virt-manager is the best afair
[13:21:33] <peda> though _I_ use just commandline version
[13:21:34] <peda> hi rommanio
[13:22:54] <rommanio> it's a pity for me that jnode not have docs about design
[13:23:07] <peda> yeah :/
[13:23:20] <peda> have you looked at the stuff in our doc folders?
[13:24:00] <peda> and some things are described on the forum, too .... though most people are just too lazy to document their stuff :/
[13:26:27] <rommanio> And me english knowledge isn't so well else I would\ try to help.
[13:26:40] <rommanio> mt
[13:26:44] <rommanio> my\
[13:27:00] <peda> well that's something I thought for myself, too
[13:27:36] <peda> but the native speaker kept to tell me: Someone can still correct the language afterwards, but the document itself needs to be written
[13:29:02] <rommanio> oh, good :) but I'm novice in jnode..
[13:29:30] <peda> yup.. just saying :)
[13:32:10] <rommanio> i'm interesting oses with managed code. first I know about Singularity. it's marketing... :)
[13:32:22] <peda> yup :)
[13:34:29] <rommanio> yup means yes as I understand? or something yet?
[13:34:58] <peda> at least I'm using yup as yes :)
[13:35:17] <rommanio> oh, good :)
[13:37:00] <rommanio> Well, what's about ipc in jnode? how it works?
[13:37:44] <peda> IPC == Method call in JNode :)
[13:38:59] <peda> we don't have virtual memory (or memory mapping therefore)
[13:39:28] <peda> so all "Processes" have the same memory they can write to.. and that's why IPC is just a "method call"
[13:40:54] <rommanio> or jnode is not  os in traditional... hmmm... forgot word..., as i knew. wait a minute :-[
[13:42:10] <rommanio> in trsditional conception :)
[13:42:15] <rommanio> sorry
[13:42:54] <peda> indeed, JNode's architecture differes from traditional OS design
[13:43:29] <peda> but imho that's a big advantage ... we don't have to go ways other OSes had to go
[13:44:56] <rommanio> it is rather VM that os :)
[13:45:04] <peda> :)
[13:50:00] <rommanio> but Singularyty, as I wrote in my forum. developing by commercial company. it is both good and bad.
[13:52:08] <peda> btw, Singularity is dead... M$ has started a second attempt to bytecode OS, though I currently don't remember the name
[13:53:25] <rommanio> ah, helios? hmmm...
[13:55:20] <rommanio> Bartok they would be open source.. but it is m$ :/
[13:57:44] <peda> Midori is the name I searched :)
[13:59:17] <rommanio> but it in their walls, as I know.
[13:59:24] <rommanio> not public
[13:59:42] <peda> yeah, I think so too
[14:01:03] <rommanio> it's time for me... it is well talk with you!
[14:01:12] <rommanio> thanks
[14:01:19] <peda> for me too :)
[14:01:24] <peda> cu
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[14:32:13] <peda> jameschu: got it to work?
[14:37:21] <jameschu> what?
[14:37:25] <jameschu> got what?
[14:37:30] <peda> JNode in kvm :)
[14:37:34] <jameschu> no
[14:37:47] <jameschu> it is hard to use
[14:37:57] <jameschu> I like virtualbox more
[14:37:57] <peda> why?
[14:38:02] <peda> can I help somehow?
[14:38:09] <jameschu> ok, thanks
[14:38:21] <jameschu> kvm has not gui?
[14:38:33] <peda> there are frontends to kvm
[14:38:34] <jameschu> I install virt manager too
[14:38:37] <peda> have a look at that:
[14:38:39] <peda> http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/screenshots.html
[14:38:49] <jameschu> oh, I use Ubuntu
[14:39:03] <peda> yeah, no problem :)
[14:39:10] <peda> I just meant the screenshots themselfs
[14:39:23] <peda> imho virt-manager is a nice gui to KVM
[14:39:36] <peda> it's much like virtualbox or vmware .. gui-wise
[14:40:12] <jameschu> yes, I have follow the wizard, but can not work
[14:40:23] <jameschu> prompt "read only"
[14:40:54] <peda> hmm.. is the kernel module loaded?
[14:41:01] <peda> and are you in the kvm group?
[14:41:04] <jameschu> no
[14:41:09] <jameschu> not in
[14:41:15] <peda> but the module is loaded?
[14:42:21] <jameschu> no, when I add the storge pool, it prompt "read only"
[14:42:27] <peda> oh and the group's called "libvirtd" in ubuntu
[14:43:19] <jameschu> irc chat group?
[14:43:41] <peda> heh no
[14:44:07] <peda> can you paste me what "sudo lsmod |grep kvm" tells you?
[14:44:34] <peda> and you should do a: "sudo adduser `id -un` libvirtd" and then relogin to ubuntu
[14:44:46] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$ sudo lsmod |grep kvm
[14:44:47] <jameschu> [sudo] password for james:
[14:44:47] <jameschu> kvm                   190648  0
[14:44:47] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$
[14:44:57] <jameschu> kvm has runed
[14:45:09] <peda> no, you're missing a second module:
[14:45:17] <jameschu> which module?
[14:45:21] <peda> kvm_intel for intel CPUs or kvm_amd for AMDs
[14:45:30] <jameschu> ok
[14:45:31] <peda> sudo modprobe kvm_xxx
[14:45:33] <jameschu> let me check
[14:47:17] <jameschu> can not find this module
[14:47:36] <peda> hmm it has to be there :)
[14:47:44] <peda> Do you have a AMD or Intel CPU?
[14:48:06] <jameschu> Intel
[14:48:24] <peda> and what does "sudo modprobe kvm_intel" tell you?
[14:49:06] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe kvm
[14:49:07] <jameschu> kvm        kvm-amd    kvm-intel
[14:51:46] <peda> *confused* .. you did modprobe kvm .. but what does modprobe kvm-intel tell you?
[14:52:19] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe kvm-intel
[14:52:20] <jameschu> FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.31-19-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported
[14:52:47] <peda> and what do the last lines of "sudo dmesg" tell you?
[14:52:47] <jameschu> I use ubuntu 64bit os
[14:52:58] <peda> is there any hint on why it's failing?
[14:53:41] <jameschu> [ 4080.410088] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
[14:53:42] <jameschu> [ 9185.330792] kvm: disabled by bios
[14:53:42] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$
[14:54:01] <peda> ok! :)
[14:54:20] <peda> disabled by bios.. so you have to reboot and activate "hardware virtualization" in your bios
[14:55:14] <jameschu> ok,but will it harm of my laptop
[14:55:17] <jameschu> ?
[14:55:24] <peda> no, not at all
[14:55:33] <jameschu> ok, thanks
[14:55:36] <peda> it just activates some extra opcodes for the CPU
[14:55:47] <jameschu> but why virturalbox need not do that?
[14:55:59] <peda> they "recompile" code
[14:56:05] <peda> rather than virtualize it
[14:56:29] <peda> but I think if you activate it in your bios, virtual box should get faster, too
[14:56:40] <jameschu> which method will has better performance?
[14:57:00] <jameschu> ok, thanks
[14:57:10] <peda> imho kvm with virtualization is the fastest one
[14:57:21] <jameschu> I do it now, wait a minute
[14:57:28] <peda> yup
[14:57:32] <jameschu> bye
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[15:09:08] <jameschu> well, it runs fast
[15:09:25] <jameschu> hello, peda
[15:09:29] <peda> hi
[15:09:32] <peda> good to hear :)
[15:09:42] <jameschu> thanks for your help
[15:09:51] <peda> no problem
[15:10:25] <jameschu> but I want to do something about JNode project
[15:10:27] <jameschu> which job can I do?
[15:10:32] <peda> yes, that would be great
[15:10:49] <peda> well, as I said before, I do not like to tell people what the "have to do"
[15:11:06] <peda> I prefer that people choose for themself what they like..
[15:11:43] <peda> though what we suggest to anyone new to JNode: Pick a little shell tool (we have a list on the forum) and implement it
[15:12:04] <peda> that way you'll learn JNode's plugin system, how to compile JNode, and how to run and debug JNode
[15:12:16] <jameschu> ok
[15:12:30] <peda> otherwise, like I said, finding and fixing bugs is always welcome
[15:12:30] <jameschu> can I compile JNode using netbeans?
[15:12:44] <peda> finding them is easy though fixing just a single bug can take much time :)
[15:12:59] <peda> some of us are using netbeans
[15:13:01] <peda> so yes
[15:13:20] <peda> but you may not ask me about details because I never used netbeans
[15:13:52] <jameschu> but the kvm seem to has some problem
[15:14:06] <peda> hmm, what problem?
[15:14:11] <jameschu> it is stop to run
[15:14:41] <peda> hmm
[15:14:52] <peda> running JNode?
[15:15:45] <jameschu> the JNode has not gui?
[15:15:54] <peda> it has
[15:15:59] <jameschu> now I have come in the command line
[15:16:07] <jameschu> but not gui started
[15:16:09] <peda> great :)
[15:16:11] <peda> yep
[15:16:17] <peda> that's the default behaviour
[15:16:21] <jameschu> ok
[15:16:30] <peda> the problem is: We don't have a graphics driver for the graphics card in KVM
[15:16:32] <peda> :/
[15:16:32] <jameschu> how to start the x
[15:16:43] <peda> normaly you'd type: startAWT
[15:16:45] <jameschu> oh
[15:16:54] <peda> but it will not work due to missing driver :/
[15:17:25] <peda> I have written a driver and it's in the JNode sources.. but it is not yet working (you'll see when you startAWT :))
[15:17:34] <jameschu> prompt "could not find the startAWT command"
[15:17:53] <peda> ah you took the "default" option in grub
[15:18:01] <jameschu> yes
[15:18:03] <peda> that does not contain the GUI..
[15:18:15] <peda> therefore we have the "all plugins" entry
[15:18:23] <peda> it contains gui classes and some additional apps
[15:18:35] <jameschu> so I must reboot Jnode and choose gui option, right?
[15:18:36] <peda> and "All Tests" contains our testsuite
[15:18:46] <peda> no, not the gui option
[15:18:51] <peda> "all plugins" option
[15:18:53] <peda> :)
[15:18:53] <jameschu> oh
[15:19:16] <peda> "all plugins" and "gui" are the same.. except that "gui" automatically runs "startAWT"
[15:19:31] <jameschu> but I can see the gui using archive version many years ago
[15:20:10] <peda> yep
[15:20:14] <peda> e.g. vmware
[15:20:20] <peda> it has another graphics card
[15:20:26] <peda> and we have a driver for that card
[15:20:52] <peda> some (old) NVidia will work too
[15:21:07] <peda> oh, you could try the "Vesa" boot option
[15:21:55] <jameschu> my Laptop use ATI card
[15:22:24] <peda> we have ATI drivers too, but just for realy old cards.. I'm sure yours is too new :/
[15:22:35] <peda> but as I said: Try the "Vesa" boot option
[15:24:37] <jameschu> ok
[15:24:39] <jameschu> wait
[15:26:13] <jameschu> but the boot time is so long
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[15:26:47] <jameschu> and ubuntu booting is so fast, just 20 seconds
[15:26:59] <peda> and JNode takes more for you?
[15:27:14] <peda> in kvm JNode boots up in <10secends for me
[15:27:22] <peda> with "all plugins" option
[15:28:05] <jameschu> yes, it need more time
[15:28:17] <jameschu> maybe one minute
[15:28:36] <peda> hmm
[15:28:38] <peda> strange
[15:28:58] <jameschu> maybe I set the memory is too low
[15:29:12] <jameschu> I set the memory is 512 mb
[15:29:12] <peda> how much do you have?
[15:29:30] <peda> that's perfectly fine
[15:29:43] <rommanio> in vmware it startup more tnan 10 seconds... oh, maybe, it too older?
[15:29:49] <peda> I normaly use 1GB or more.. but 512 is enough for sure
[15:29:51] <jameschu> but it is very slow
[15:30:09] <peda> that _is_ strange :)
[15:30:18] <jameschu> and now I can not see anything
[15:30:22] <peda> rommanio: but not a minute with vmware, right? ~15 seconds?
[15:30:30] <jameschu> black window now
[15:30:37] <peda> wait a bit...
[15:30:38] <peda> :)
[15:31:08] <peda> the VESA mode _is_ slow as every single AWT and Swing class has to be JIT compiled during bootup
[15:31:26] <jameschu> system monitor said the jnode just use 13% mem of 512mb
[15:31:39] <rommanio> I use 0.2.8, not nightly builds (I have compilation errors)
[15:31:53] <jameschu> I use 0.2.8 too
[15:32:10] <jameschu> oh, so slow, it is terrible
[15:32:22] <peda> 0.2.8 is old.. but should be good enough
[15:32:38] <jameschu> what is the latest version?
[15:32:53] <rommanio> but I can start it now in vmware
[15:33:01] <peda> jameschu: if it is _that_ slow you probably still don't have hardware virtualization on
[15:33:05] <jameschu> oh, I did not want to see the black window, help me
[15:33:11] <peda> did you add yourself to the group?
[15:33:39] <jameschu> I have opened the virtualization just now
[15:33:51] <jameschu> sorry, a moment ago
[15:34:13] <peda> can you tell me what "groups" tells you?
[15:34:16] <jameschu> yes , I have joined the google group
[15:34:22] <rommanio> oh, but I don't have hardware virtualziation. my processor's  too old
[15:34:45] <peda> rommanio: ok, that means vmware is your only way :)
[15:34:47] <jameschu> but if I did not open it , the Jnode can not boot
[15:35:32] <peda> jameschu: Type "groups" in a shell and tell me what it gives you
[15:35:43] <rommanio> peda: I see :)
[15:35:47] <jameschu> groups
[15:35:53] <peda> jameschu: And please also "sudo lsmod|grep kvm" again
[15:36:31] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$ sudo lsmod|grep kvm
[15:36:31] <jameschu> [sudo] password for james:
[15:36:31] <jameschu> kvm                   190648  0
[15:36:31] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$
[15:36:49] <rommanio> it's ok.
[15:36:49] <peda> yeah, the kvm-intel module is not loaded! ;)
[15:36:56] <peda> sudo modprobe kvm-intel
[15:37:00] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$ groups
[15:37:00] <jameschu> james adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare libvirtd
[15:37:00] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$
[15:37:13] <peda> ok.. groups are fine
[15:37:28] <peda> so load the module and try again :)
[15:37:53] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe kvm-intel
[15:37:53] <jameschu> FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.31-19-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported
[15:37:53] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$
[15:38:06] <peda> grr.. and last lines of "dmesg"?
[15:38:09] <rommanio> hm.
[15:38:32] <jameschu> [ 2128.405796] kvm: disabled by bios
[15:38:47] <peda> hmm
[15:38:55] <peda> but you did activate it there?
[15:39:02] <jameschu> yes, sure
[15:39:07] <peda> hmm
[15:39:17] <peda> can you tell me the exact brand of your laptop?
[15:39:18] <rommanio> maye you have amd?
[15:39:24] <jameschu> 4410
[15:39:32] <jameschu> hp probook 4410s
[15:39:57] <jameschu> it must intel
[15:40:06] <rommanio> hmm
[15:40:32] <jameschu> and I can try modprobe kvm-amd
[15:40:46] <peda> what does "egrep '(vmx|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo" tell you?
[15:42:03] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$ egrep '(vmx|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo
[15:42:04] <jameschu> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm ida tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority
[15:42:04] <jameschu> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm ida tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority
[15:42:04] <rommanio> if this option have on biod... :)
[15:42:04] <jameschu> james@james-laptop:~$
[15:42:16] <rommanio> in bios
[15:42:46] <rommanio> hmm, is's strange
[15:43:05] <peda> indeed
[15:44:09] <jameschu> the gui has not diplay yet
[15:44:16] <jameschu> just black window
[15:44:30] <jameschu> it is terrible
[15:44:34] <peda> it does not make sense as long as it's emulated
[15:44:44] <peda> we need to get virtualization going
[15:44:53] <rommanio> you absolutely sure that you're enabled it?
[15:44:58] <peda> as I said, I have <10 seconds boot time ;)
[15:45:00] <jameschu> yes
[15:45:09] <jameschu> not 10 sec
[15:45:16] <jameschu> it is many time
[15:45:33] <jameschu> >10 minutes
[15:45:42] <peda> :)
[15:45:47] <peda> yeah, fully emulated :)
[15:45:55] <jameschu> maybe I can check the bios again
[15:46:10] <peda> oh
[15:46:18] <peda> I just found a post via google
[15:46:37] <peda> stating that you have to cold-boot your PC after changing the option in Bios
[15:46:39] <peda> i.e. completly turn if off and on again
[15:46:43] <peda> perhaps that helps?!
[15:46:59] <jameschu> ok
[15:47:02] <jameschu> wait
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[15:47:18] <rommanio> And yes, chek your bios :)
[15:47:23] <peda> :)
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[15:54:15] <jameschu> come back now
[15:54:22] <jameschu> boot is slow too
[15:54:37] <peda> and what about sudo modprobe kvm-intel?
[15:54:41] <peda> error again?
[15:55:07] <jameschu> oh, it run well
[15:55:12] <jameschu> not any error
[15:55:28] <peda> and starting virt-manager after that gives a slow JNode?!?
[15:55:57] <jameschu> yes, slow yet
[15:56:00] <jameschu> not fast
[15:56:13] <jameschu> but fast than a moment ago
[15:56:15] <peda> hmm damn
[15:56:38] <jameschu> faster than first time
[15:56:58] <jameschu> but not very fast yet
[15:57:05] <jameschu> slower than virtualbox
[15:57:26] <jameschu> now I see the black window again
[15:57:54] <peda> ah sry, you're using the "Vesa" boot option?
[15:58:13] <peda> if you do, you have to switch the graphics card in kvm to "std"
[15:58:21] <jameschu> yes, using vesa
[15:59:16] <jameschu> what "std"?
[16:00:25] <peda> you can select which graphics card kvm should use
[16:00:37] <peda> and there should be 3 options: cirrus, vmware and std
[16:00:51] <peda> if you want to test "Vesa" you need to choose std
[16:02:36] <jameschu> how to shutdown the Jnode in command line?
[16:03:30] <rommanio> hmm, haly, as far as i remember
[16:03:35] <rommanio> halt
[16:03:48] <peda> yes
[16:04:33] <jameschu> kvm is not good
[16:04:41] <jameschu> many function can not use
[16:05:22] <peda> you could still try vmware ... it is closed source but at least it's free
[16:05:35] <peda> free as in "not paying" :)
[16:06:20] <rommanio> better variant is use separate computer ;)
[16:06:31] <rommanio> not too new
[16:07:18] <peda> indeed :)
[16:07:18] <peda> but more difficult d
[16:07:19] <peda> to setup
[16:07:30] <peda> you don't want to burn a CD each time you make a test :)
[16:08:23] <rommanio> hmm, pxe isn't supported yet?
[16:09:17] <peda> bootp
[16:09:27] <peda> but I never tried it
[16:11:32] <rommanio> well, I'm too.
[16:11:32] <rommanio> there wasn't need at all for me.
[16:11:51] <peda> yes, same here
[16:18:34] <peda> have to catch my train
[16:18:35] <peda> cu
[16:18:55] <rommanio> and peda mean VMWare Server :)
[16:18:55] <rommanio> I recommended version 1
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[16:40:06] <jameschu> I hate VMWare
[16:40:35] <jameschu> my company production server all install vmware
[16:41:19] <jameschu> it is slow and bad
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