[00:09:07] <calculus> how do I pass credentials to hudson-cli?  I get this: hudson.security.AccessDeniedException2: anonymous is missing the Administer permission
[00:09:55] <calculus> oh, well it seems another person asked the same question on the wiki
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[01:53:52] <mrooney> hey! two builds in Hudson with the same lock running at the same time!
[01:53:59] <mrooney> perhaps this locks and latches plugin is not reliable?
[02:00:49] <mrooney> oh no hudson is borked
[02:01:33] <mrooney> kohsuke: maybe this is a bug? I have a job stuck in the queue with no active jobs, saying "Build #1,882 is already in progress"
[02:02:08] <mrooney> this was after I had two projects active somehow even those they were using the same "Locks and Latches" lock, so I canceled one and restarted it, now it is stuck in the queue
[02:02:14] <mrooney> how odd.
[02:03:12] <ldsjohn> at least you have had 1,881 good builds
[02:03:22] <mrooney> no I just have 1881 builds
[02:03:25] <mrooney> not all good :)
[02:03:31] <ldsjohn> ive almost got build one but then im trying to complicate things
[02:03:40] <mrooney> yeah it won't start again, I can cancel the queued job and restart it, says the same thing :[
[02:04:07] <ldsjohn> ive got 3 projects that share the same libs, so im trying to get them to work together
[02:11:58] <mrooney> well I restarted it, it was still stuck, but I killed it and now it started #1,883
[02:12:08] <mrooney> I guess it gave up on #1,882, which is somehow now skipped
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[02:26:15] <ldsjohn> mrooney do you transfer artifacts between projects/
[02:28:16] <mrooney> ldsjohn: nope
[02:30:23] <ldsjohn> I figured since you used the lock and latches plugin you prolly had multiple projects depending on each other
[02:30:30] <ldsjohn> I dunno maybe im just doing it wrong
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[02:54:24] <ldsjohn> so is there anything wrong with having an svn project poll?
[02:54:41] <ldsjohn> the manual says its a huge overhead for cvs, but svn info takes like miliseconds to return
[02:59:17] <mrooney> ldsjohn: we do it because for a certain group of projects, their tests use the same db so only one can run at a time
[02:59:58] <mrooney> ldsjohn: also I think svn polling is fine but, why not trigger the build instantly via a post-commit hook, assuming you have some control over the repository?
[03:01:20] <ldsjohn> yeah I could do that
[03:01:28] <ldsjohn> I have 6 projects that all use the same svn repository
[03:01:35] <ldsjohn> so im imaginging the hook would be annoying
[03:01:46] <ldsjohn> mostly they are plugins for the main project
[03:02:00] <ldsjohn> I guess my hook would have to say okay what folder changed and then trigger the right project
[03:02:27] <ldsjohn> I figure it would be just easier to have them each just poll their own little part of the svn
[03:04:11] <ldsjohn> I probabaly should just split them into different svn repositorys but since they are all part of one big package it seams logical to keep them together
[03:05:00] <ldsjohn> at least I finally got my lib problem solved
[03:05:35] <ldsjohn> my librarys use ant to build, and they produce dll files, and then package the dlls and their includes in a tarball, then the tarball gets archived by hudson
[03:05:52] <ldsjohn> then the other programs use ant get, to download the tarball and then unpack it in their workspace and then build off that
[03:06:13] <ldsjohn> so I almost have all 6 projects building, thats why im starting to think about how to get them to trigger
[03:08:21] <calculus> you can get them to trigger using one of the post build actions, the one that says start this other job when this one is done
[03:09:07] <ldsjohn> yeah i have those done, so if my base lib gets built everything builds
[03:09:15] <ldsjohn> but what if the lib doesn't change.
[03:10:14] <calculus> if the base lib doesn't change it won't trigger the others, but the other jobs can still poll for their changes
[03:10:37] <ldsjohn> yeah thats what im thinking, all 6 jobs would poll
[03:10:38] <calculus> hopefully they can still do a get for the base lib
[03:10:44] <ldsjohn> and if the bottom one changes it goes all the way up
[03:11:00] <calculus> bottom == root, or leaf
[03:11:06] <ldsjohn> yeah
[03:12:03] <ldsjohn> the question is, if I end up with 20 programs that each poll svn every minute
[03:12:20] <ldsjohn> how bad will it be, maybe I do need to figure out a hook solution
[03:13:05] <calculus> I have 6 jobs polling, several on build triggers and some manually
[03:13:20] <calculus> sorry 9 jobs polling
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[03:13:43] <calculus> all from the same svn repo and noone has shouted at me yet
[03:13:48] <calculus> :)
[03:13:54] <ldsjohn> k that makes me feel better
[03:14:01] <ldsjohn> im not having a good weeek with CI
[03:14:09] <ldsjohn> I was happily using the free version of Cruise
[03:14:12] <calculus> although my polls are every 5 minutes (*/5 * * * *)
[03:14:52] <ldsjohn> and then decided to get my new program building, but since it uses the libs the other one does, and i didn't want to rebuild the libs every time, I tried to setup pipeline dependencys in cruise. and that backfired
[03:15:04] <calculus> heh
[03:15:07] <ldsjohn> turns out the free version of cruise only lets you have one material per pipeline, so I sent an email asking for a price quote
[03:15:12] <calculus> hudson 1, cruise 0
[03:15:19] <ldsjohn> 5,649$
[03:15:24] <calculus> oh my
[03:15:25] <ldsjohn> for a 10 user 10 agent licesne
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[03:15:47] <calculus> by cruise, you mean cruisecontrol?
[03:15:52] <ldsjohn> I was like WTF I have 1 build server and 3 developers working for me.
[03:15:52] <ldsjohn> no
[03:15:56] <ldsjohn> ThoughtWorks Cruise
[03:15:59] <ldsjohn> made by the same people
[03:16:00] <calculus> oh
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[03:16:02] <ldsjohn> but better in many ways
[03:16:14] <ldsjohn> CruiseControll made me mad
[03:16:27] <ldsjohn> I got sick of futzing with the xml file
[03:17:25] <calculus> yeah, I tried starting with cruisecontrol with this project and it was too difficult to try and set up
[03:17:43] <ldsjohn> well my problem was i got it set up, but then when I wanted to make a change i cried every time
[03:17:44] <calculus> hudson is also all xml configs, but at least it has a sane UI
[03:17:59] <ldsjohn> Cruise was easy to set up and rocks
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[03:18:11] <ldsjohn> but the one material per pipleine crushed my love for it
[03:18:17] <ldsjohn> then I start using hudson
[03:18:22] <calculus> maybe I should try the free one and see what it has to offer
[03:18:31] <ldsjohn> and find out it is perfect in every way except no fetch
[03:18:32] <calculus> at least in terms of a feature set
[03:18:38] <ldsjohn> I emean WTF no fetch?
[03:19:06] <ldsjohn> every other CI that I have used has at least some ability to use an artifact from another build, or to download it
[03:19:11] <calculus> I was hoping for a fetch as well the other day, right next to None, CVS, and Subversion
[03:19:25] <ldsjohn> yeah
[03:19:30] <ldsjohn> so now I am doing it in ant
[03:19:34] <ldsjohn> what should be done by hudson
[03:19:50] <ldsjohn> but the end result looks nice
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[03:19:56] <ldsjohn> at least I can have multiple dependencies
[03:20:01] <calculus> yep
[03:20:06] <ldsjohn> cruise has stages
[03:20:08] <ldsjohn> i really like them
[03:20:16] <ldsjohn> keep wishing they were here in hudson
[03:20:23] <calculus> anyway, I am off to catch the train
[03:20:25] <calculus> see you
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[03:45:25] <mrooney> man this locks and latches plugin objectively does not worwk
[03:45:27] <mrooney> :'''[
[03:45:45] <mrooney> I guess I need to file a bug?
[03:46:32] <mrooney> if jobs A, B,and C use lock X, and A is executing so B and C get put in the queue, when A is finished both B and C start!
[03:49:50] <mrooney> time to go back to one executor
[03:52:15] <rtyler> are you talking about locks?
[03:52:22] <rtyler> because that's fuxord
[03:52:46] <ldsjohn> plugins should be marked if they are fuxord so new users like us dont use them
[03:52:59] <ldsjohn> maybe there needs to be a fuxor rating board that rates each plugin for its fuxor level
[03:53:09] <mrooney> rtyler: yeah, seriously
[03:53:47] <rtyler> http://unethicalblogger.com/posts/2008/11/reliable_locks_hudson
[03:53:50] <rtyler> that's my workaround
[03:54:29] <mrooney> also it was even recommended like two weeks ago: http://twitter.com/hudsonci/status/2202059566
[03:55:52] <mrooney> rtyler: if the plugin doesn't work correctly it is harmful, can it just be removed?
[03:56:14] <mrooney> locks that don't actually lock are worse than knowing you don't have locks
[03:56:27] <rtyler> notice that's a retweet,
[03:57:29] <mrooney> right but if it is completely invalid advice, ie advertising a broken plugin, it shouldn't have been retweeted
[03:57:41] <mrooney> users should be able to trust @hudsonci on some basic level :)
[03:58:38] * rtyler blocks mrooney
[03:58:56] <mrooney> is that not a valid expectation?
[03:59:08] <rtyler> maybe if you have reading comprehension issues :P
[03:59:21] <rtyler> I was retweeting that some dude recommends these three plugins in some specific use case
[03:59:51] <rtyler> I can't be expected to test everybody's comments like that to make sure that they work totally correct
[04:00:45] <mrooney> you don't have to test all comments, I'm just saying if someone recommended a plugin you know is "fuxord", maybe, don't spread that :)
[04:00:51] <mrooney> I'll update the wiki to reflect it
[04:01:04] <ldsjohn> make sure and use the word fuxord
[04:03:34] <rtyler> mrooney: IIRC we still use locks in some scenarios, I generally avoid it because I think it's fucked
[04:03:54] <rtyler> I also think the windmill plugin is fucked, but for admc I still tell people about it :P
[04:03:57] <mrooney> yeah so that recommendation should be shared so people don't have to discover it themselves
[04:03:59] <rtyler> I mean..
[04:04:13] <rtyler> admc writes wonderful plugins!
[04:04:36] <rtyler> mrooney: using the voice of @hudsonci, I don't want to say anybody's plugins are "fuxord" despite my personal opinion ;)
[04:04:41] <mrooney> ah admc also wrote LnL?
[04:04:42] <rtyler> bad for morale or some horse shit like that :P
[04:04:53] <rtyler> mrooney: no, I'd make him fix it if he did
[04:05:12] <rtyler> that, or drop nasty stuff in his coffee cup when he isn't looking
[04:05:31] <rtyler> mrooney: the problem with locks is that they just can't work how you'd expect them to without core changes to Hudson's queueing system
[04:05:51] <rtyler> so it's not that the Locks plugin is fuxord because it's just fuxord, it's hitting limitations in Hudson itself
[04:06:17] <mrooney> okay so regardless it shouldn't be recommended as a way to have locks
[04:06:25] <mrooney> whether it is the plugins fault or not
[04:06:31] <rtyler> BAH!
[04:06:55] <mrooney> that is all I am saying, I am not sure why you want to keep talking around it
[04:06:58] <ldsjohn> well maybe the documentation for the plugin just needs to point out
[04:08:04] <admc> pff my plugin is the awesome
[04:08:32] <rtyler> like a fox!
[04:11:05] <rtyler> admc: so when you going to write an ASUnit plugin for Hudson :D
[04:11:35] <admc> like yesterday
[04:11:43] <mrooney> hm there must be a way to write a lock plugin that works though, right?
[04:12:24] <rtyler> mrooney: not without modifications to core, and that's not really a plugin :/
[04:12:29] <ldsjohn> nothing is impossible, if you needed locks badly enough you have acces to the hudson source and could write them right in
[04:12:30] * rtyler isn't sure if kohsuke'd accept the changes
[04:12:46] <rtyler> mrooney: I think ldsjohn is callin' you out :P
[04:13:15] <mrooney> yeah I am thinking of how to write one
[04:13:26] <mrooney> you could use a lock file on disk or a web service
[04:13:31] <rtyler> mrooney: where are you located geographically btw
[04:13:56] <mrooney> northern ca, yourself?
[04:14:09] <rtyler> SF
[04:14:18] <mrooney> oh neato, we are surely close
[04:14:20] <mrooney> I'm in San Mateo
[04:14:28] <rtyler> kohsuke's in south bay as well
[04:14:34] <rtyler> abayer is in SF too
[04:14:45] <rtyler> wonder if a hudson hackathon/meetup would work some weekend
[04:14:51] <mrooney> that would be sweet!
[04:14:52] <rtyler> we could probably host it at Slide
[04:14:59] * rtyler wants Jython
[04:15:15] <mrooney> yes that would be supremely awesome
[04:19:37] <rtyler> what's down in San Mateo btw
[04:22:24] <mrooney> rtyler: my job :)
[04:22:45] <rtyler> *facepalm*
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[04:30:09] <mrooney> rtyler: not a fan of san mateo?
[04:30:16] <abayer> ...who is?
[04:30:24] <rtyler> zing!
[04:31:03] <rtyler> mrooney: south bay in general reminds me too much of the suburbian nightmare I grew up in
[04:31:17] <abayer> San Mateo's not South Bay - it's Penninsula.
[04:36:20] <mrooney> yeah I am like 8 miles south of you haha
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[04:44:22] <ldsjohn> hrm I wish the dependencie tracking was a tad better
[04:44:45] <ldsjohn> now that I got everything building I realize the problem
[04:45:41] <ldsjohn> if B depends on A and C depends on both A and B then as soon as A is finished both B and C start instead of hudson realizing that C should wait for A and B
[04:46:11] <ldsjohn> so then when B finishes C rebuilds, so C builds twice
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[12:50:22] <W_work> Anyone know of any ajax plugins? I have a javascript app (running from a different server than Hudson) where I'd like to get things like who last triggered a build for a job, or who the last commiter was
[12:50:50] <W_work> (or know of one in development, so I wouldn't duplicate effort)
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[14:34:05] <rtyler> W_work: sounds like you need the JSONP API
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[14:50:15] <W_work> rtyler: yes, that'd be a simple solution; it would still require the javascript on the hudson server though, and I'd then feel inclined to put more hudson-specific logic there anyway
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[14:59:59] <rtyler> W_work: uh, why doesn't your 'javascript app' have that stuff in it?
[15:00:50] <W_work> what?
[15:01:24] <W_work> I have an application now that does stuff (management of our custom application server, basically) and I now want to expand it with some info from Hudson
[15:01:50] <rtyler> right, they why not have it pull in data via the JSONP API
[15:02:09] <W_work> eg, statistics of who was the last committer when an application reports a runtime error.
[15:02:48] <W_work> because the hudson-specific javascript might be of use to different javascript apps as well
[15:03:09] <W_work> so I'd put it in a hudson plugin and let it be reused that way
[15:03:17] * rtyler boggles
[15:03:31] <rtyler> then how would $THIRD_PARTY_APP use it
[15:03:31] <W_work> what do you consider as an alternative?
[15:04:06] <W_work> they would do <script ... src="http://hudson-server..."...>
[15:04:13] <W_work> and then call the functions from that
[15:04:44] <W_work> same way any old javascript api does it really
[15:05:39] <W_work> I dunno, perhaps there isn't much code that might be hudson-specific, and it could all be JSONP
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[17:08:12] <ldsjohn316> anyone else have problems with firefox? it works in chrome and IE but in firefox the top bar is gone and there is no login link visible
[17:08:43] <rtyler> I have problems with firefox regardless of what site I visit ;)
[17:17:47] <ldsjohn316> really?
[17:18:05] <ldsjohn316> I mean 99.99 percent of the internet works perfectly in firefox
[17:18:08] <abayer_> It's rtyler. He's opinionated. =)
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[17:18:59] <ldsjohn316> I wonder what browser rtyler uses.
[17:19:16] <ldsjohn316> but seriously im not the only one whos hudson install doesn't work very well in firefox am I?
[17:19:24] <abayer> Mine works fine. *shrug*
[17:20:48] <rtyler> I use opera
[17:21:00] <rtyler> only use firefox is I have RAM to kill and flash videos to watch ;)
[17:21:09] <ldsjohn316> wtf. I swear that plugin wasn't there yesterday?
[17:21:15] <ldsjohn316> there is a copyartifact plugin
[17:23:14] <ldsjohn316> I spent like 6 hours yesterday writing a complex ant script to get my artifacts all in order for each build, and then I see this plugin that does exactly what I need...
[17:24:29] <abayer> Think it just got released.
[17:25:10] <ldsjohn316> okay before I go batshit crazy, is there a cppcheck plugin about to be released?
[17:25:26] <abayer> Haven't seen anything about that on the mailers. =)
[17:26:01] <ldsjohn316> I was thinking of trying to get that info into hudson today. maybe even write my own plugin to do so. now im afraid if I start something might get released that does it
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[20:01:44] <ldsjohn> is it cheating to trigger 10 builds just to make the sun come out?
[20:02:31] <kohsuke> ldsjohn :-)
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[20:40:37] <abayer> Hey kohsuke - those archiving changes you just made to FilePath - are those just for the wildcard archiving?
[20:41:00] <kohsuke> The primary motivation for me was to do filtering based on FileFilter
[20:41:16] <abayer> Aaaah, nice.
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[21:00:22] <JLavoie> Hi, anyone know what might cause 75% of my builds to suddenly start failing?  Hudson is having difficulty deleting the workspace as it starts builds.
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[22:04:27] <JLavoie> Anyone know what might cause Hudson not to be able to clean up a workspace?
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