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[00:05:28] <michaelvo> hi all
[00:05:39] <michaelvo> the build still broken with ffmpeg ?
[00:05:57] <michaelvo> in libavcodec?
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[00:07:05] <largo> michaelvo: no.
[00:07:26] <largo> I compiled and installed r38589
[00:07:30] <largo> I'm running it right now.
[00:09:08] <michaelvo> :(
[00:09:15] <CIA-57> mmu_man * r38590 /buildtools/trunk/jam/jam.h: I now get Archive actions too long (max 40960)! on OSX, so enlarge it a little.
[00:09:59] <michaelvo> I'm getting "Archive actions too long (max 40960)!"
[00:10:03] <michaelvo> error
[00:10:44] <mmu_man> michaelvo update your jam binary
[00:10:52] <mmu_man> svn up buildtools
[00:10:57] <mmu_man> cd buildtools/jam
[00:10:59] <mmu_man> jam
[00:11:18] <mmu_man> sudo cp binwhatever/jam /usr/local/bin/jam
[00:11:23] <mmu_man> or whatever for your OS
[00:11:48] <michaelvo> It's ubuntu 10.04 TLS
[00:11:49] <michaelvo> :D
[00:11:56] <mmu_man> doesn't matter
[00:12:02] <michaelvo> thank you!
[00:12:05] <mmu_man> you *must* use the one built from the Haiku tree
[00:19:54] <largo> the file info window in Mediaplayer is (can be) too narrow and can't be resized. :/  (it doesn't change width to fit the content and can't be resized)
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[00:46:31] <BrasileiroJF> Hi
[00:47:19] <BrasileiroJF> I need some help, where i can create a new OS Log file ? For example, i want to create a log file that will show me the process'name and how long it keeps in execution...
[00:50:00] <BrasileiroJF> does anyone there?
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[02:48:03] <cairo_t> What ever happened to the idea of a Haiku mascot?
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[03:04:49] <fengshaun> what are you thinking about cairo_t ?
[03:06:01] <Duggan> there's already been a discussion about that, it was decided haiku doesn't need/want a mascot
[03:06:39] <helf|libretto> noooo masot!!
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[03:13:38] <newguywithhaiku> hello ?
[03:13:54] <helf|libretto> WHY HELLO
[03:14:01] <helf|libretto> HOW ARE YOU?
[03:14:06] <newguywithhaiku> good
[03:14:11] <helf|libretto> IM AWFULLY LONELY. PLEASE STAY AROUND
[03:14:22] <newguywithhaiku> finally got my machine to boot on haiku. they added more geforce chipset support
[03:14:39] <newguywithhaiku> running from USB drive until I get a new boot manager loaded
[03:14:56] <newguywithhaiku> do you know anything about audio drivers ?
[03:15:36] <newguywithhaiku> I am fiarly geeked
[03:15:50] <newguywithhaiku> this Os runs great from the Ram and USB stick
[03:15:59] <newguywithhaiku> Can't wait to see a native HDD install
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[03:21:25] <largo> wow... I just put way too much thought and work into that email... (to the haiku list)
[03:21:40] <helf|libretto> JEEZ
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[03:22:03] <helf|libretto> freaking cable keeps going out
[03:22:03] <newguywithhaiku> what happened ?
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[03:38:58] <newguywithhaiku> hello ?
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[04:13:56] <brazilianjr> anyone here?
[04:15:00] <kurain> yes
[04:15:04] <dreamed> loads of people
[04:15:08] <kurain> what's up
[04:19:24] <brazilianjr> yeaaaah
[04:19:25] <brazilianjr> whazup
[04:19:32] <brazilianjr> I need some help, where i can create a new OS Log file ? For example, i want to create a log file that will show me the process'name and how long it keeps in execution...
[04:21:15] <kurain> you mean, you want to get the log file of New os (kernel of haiku)?
[04:21:39] <kurain> and then make some tests
[04:27:39] * JonathanThompson purrs into the channel
[04:36:03] <brazilianjr> i mean, change at the source code and create a new log file
[04:37:05] <brazilianjr> like the syslog that haiku creates..
[04:39:26] <kurain> brazilianjr, well. I haven't tried newos kernel. maybe you should mail the author or some developers
[04:39:28] <fengshaun> I trying to make a haiku image and I get a no space left error: http://dpaste.com/240792/  I swear I have enough space on disk!
[04:39:48] <fengshaun> jam -q haiku-image with a custom UserBuildConfig to add some optional packages
[04:41:00] <brazilianjr> kurain:  that's ok, i'll try something here
[04:43:31] <kurain> fengshaun, have you checked your partion for your home folder?
[04:43:41] <fengshaun> yea
[04:43:45] <fengshaun> 10GB free
[04:43:51] <kurain> oh
[04:44:29] <kurain> I know something
[04:44:51] <kurain> you are writting these app files into a haiku-image?
[04:45:18] <fengshaun> yea
[04:45:29] <fengshaun> added some optionalpackages to UserBuildConfig
[04:45:52] <fengshaun> I'm on a linux system now, building haiku.
[04:45:56] <kurain> then, you should check the limitation of image
[04:46:07] <kurain> I have tried building yesterday
[04:46:21] <kurain> but I didn't use userbuildconfig
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[04:46:38] <fengshaun> ahhh, you mean there is a limit on how big the image can be?
[04:46:46] <kurain> maybe
[04:47:11] <kurain> if you want to write something to it, it seems to be
[04:47:34] <kurain> just like the virtual disk of Virtualbox
[04:47:47] <kurain> but I can't make sure
[04:48:18] <kurain> in linux, it treats iso files as a device
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[05:02:38] <michaelvo> I'm back
[05:02:57] <michaelvo> great improvements on MediaPlayer uh?
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[05:16:08] <cairo_t> Duggan: Why don't we want a mascot?  Of course we don't need one, but it is fun anyway.
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[05:21:36] <HaikuUser2> hello
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[05:24:08] <largo> HaikuUser2: hello fellow Michigander. ;)
[05:24:20] <HaikuUser2> Hello
[05:24:33] <HaikuUser2> Just got my PC booted native for the first time
[05:24:37] <HaikuUser2> totally excited
[05:24:50] <largo> awesome :D
[05:25:07] <HaikuUser2> Its fiarly modern hardware to
[05:25:13] <HaikuUser2> m4n78 pro Motherboard
[05:25:23] <HaikuUser2> AMD phenomII 955 cpu
[05:25:27] <largo> my wifi doesn't work at the moment, so I run it in virtualbox. =
[05:25:28] <HaikuUser2> AMD radeon hd5770
[05:25:38] <largo> (kitty crawling on me making it hard to type...)
[05:25:42] <HaikuUser2> 6 gb of ram buts I am ignoring it
[05:25:45] <HaikuUser2> LOL
[05:25:54] <HaikuUser2> I usually have my 3year old little tot co pilot
[05:25:56] <largo> sounds similar to my setup. :)
[05:26:17] <HaikuUser2> well wifi is not a big deal to me
[05:26:27] <HaikuUser2> I have a lan cable :-P
[05:26:34] <largo> wifi is the only net access I have here. :/
[05:26:45] <largo> so... without that I can't really accomplish much.
[05:26:55] <HaikuUser2> yeah support is comming
[05:26:59] <HaikuUser2> slowly but surely
[05:27:15] <largo> it was semi-working, but Axel is in the process of redoing the networking... and something broke. ;)
[05:27:20] <HaikuUser2> what would help is if the damn companys who make the parts would make the code needed to run the thing Opensource
[05:27:22] <largo> I'm sure he'll get around to fixing it.
[05:27:33] <largo> true.
[05:27:45] <largo> well, I have an atheros, and I think they did do something like that.
[05:28:04] <HaikuUser2> kewl.
[05:28:28] <HaikuUser2> AMD just dropped a ton of open source tools and the instruction sets on the market for their GPU products
[05:28:34] <HaikuUser2> looking into writing a driver
[05:28:40] <HaikuUser2> gonna be alot of work though
[05:28:47] <largo> awesome :D
[05:28:57] <largo> I have a 4870 X2 in this machine.
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[05:29:13] <HaikuUser2> well if I do it write I will be writing a compiler and library first. Ambitious first high level language projects for sure
[05:29:21] <largo> :D
[05:29:34] <largo> way out of my league ;)
[05:29:49] <HaikuUser2> its out of mine to but I know I can do the compiler
[05:29:54] <HaikuUser2> well at least alot of it
[05:30:05] <HaikuUser2> thats not that hard, just really time consuming
[05:30:27] <largo> good way to learn :)
[05:30:39] <HaikuUser2> Yeah fiarly familair with low level stuff
[05:30:45] <HaikuUser2> this high level stuff has my eyes hurting
[05:30:48] <HaikuUser2> very abstarct
[05:31:01] <HaikuUser2> jesus this OS runs fast
[05:31:35] <largo> yeah, I want to put it on my girlfriend's laptop. runs beautifully on there even though it's a rather old laptop.
[05:31:52] <HaikuUser2> its retarded on my quad core native
[05:32:00] <largo> haha yeah.
[05:32:02] <HaikuUser2> Makes windows feel like a Pentium at 66mhz
[05:32:15] <HaikuUser2> UI could use a bit of eye candy though
[05:32:26] <largo> I have an Intel Core i7 965 Extreme Edition quad 3.2ghz hyperthreaded in here.
[05:32:36] <largo> 6GB DDR3@1333mhz
[05:32:48] <largo> and the 2GB Radeon HD 4870 X2.
[05:32:48] <HaikuUser2> 8gb of ddr2 at 1666
[05:33:00] <HaikuUser2> its overclocked a wee bit
[05:33:06] <largo> ;) heh
[05:33:07] <HaikuUser2> ;)
[05:33:10] <largo> I have bad cooling in this box. :(
[05:33:14] <largo> so I run everything stock.
[05:33:17] <HaikuUser2> Got a full tower
[05:33:29] <largo> full tower. old Lian-Li PC70
[05:33:35] <HaikuUser2> building a dell server case
[05:33:51] <HaikuUser2> using the Power supplies as well
[05:34:01] <HaikuUser2> 3 400watters oughta keep me current for a long time to come
[05:34:05] <HaikuUser2> Lian is a nice case
[05:34:13] <HaikuUser2> Needs more fan and some cooling ducts
[05:34:22] <largo> I need a new PSU as well. I'm eeking by with my old PC Power&Cooling 750W.
[05:36:03] <largo> 5 HDs, the CPU, RAM, vid card etc... all adds up. :( but I ran out of money. :P
[05:36:40] <HaikuUser2> lol
[05:36:46] <largo> later on I'll probably max out the ram with tighter timings, maybe up the vid card, and drop in a bigger PSU along with better cooling.
[05:36:46] <HaikuUser2> 5hds ? What for  ?
[05:36:59] <largo> I work from home.
[05:37:02] <HaikuUser2> i'd wait before changing video hardware
[05:37:18] <HaikuUser2> hd6xxx stuff is comming and leaked benchmarks have nvidia fans crying
[05:37:19] <largo> 15 years of projects etc.
[05:37:27] <HaikuUser2> blueray burner
[05:37:29] <HaikuUser2> back it up
[05:37:35] <HaikuUser2> more stable anyways
[05:37:44] <largo> oh, this will be probably a year from now. :P nothing soon.
[05:37:58] <HaikuUser2> hd6xxx looks really potent
[05:38:13] <largo> I've had very bad luck with CDs I burned in 98, 2000, etc... even though they look pristine. :(
[05:38:38] <largo> I really should back up my most important stuff on something like that.
[05:39:07] <largo> I have a DL-DVD burner in here... but no bluray yet. :(
[05:39:32] <HaikuUser2> Yeah the BR drives are still pricey
[05:39:38] <largo> but I'm poor. ;) no new toys for awhile. *sigh*
[05:40:16] <HaikuUser2> I got all of mine a while back. Broke as all get out
[05:40:46] <HaikuUser2> ok Where do you installl the OSS driver in haiku ?
[05:40:54] <HaikuUser2> We really need some beter implementations
[05:41:04] <Duggan> cairo_t I'm not the one that made the decision, I don't even think I chimed in on the whole thing, but in the end thats what was decided
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[05:43:34] <HaikuUser2> wow that was pretty random
[05:43:43] <HaikuUser2> installed driver and the system crashed
[05:43:46] <HaikuUser2> fast reboot though
[05:44:13] <cairo_t> I mentioned it a few hours ago and had to leave my comp.
[05:44:37] <largo> HaikuUser2: yeah. a few seconds to boot.
[05:44:45] <HaikuUser2> yeah its badass
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[05:45:43] <HaikuUser2> anybody know of a working audio driver for the delta 1010 lt on haiku ?
[05:50:57] <helf2> 750w is eeking by?
[05:51:08] <helf2> largo, how many watts are you pulling?
[05:51:29] <largo> helf2: I haven't actually measured it.
[05:51:32] <HaikuUser2> with 5 drives and 4870x2. at full songs i'd bet over 600
[05:51:40] <helf2> i doubt it
[05:51:47] <helf2> unless he has pimpin' CPUs too
[05:51:56] <helf2> people over estimate what their stuff draws :p
[05:51:57] <HaikuUser2> the 4870 x2 barely meets the the ATX spec at stock clocks
[05:52:07] <HaikuUser2> I'd argue the other direction
[05:52:14] <largo> helf2: core i7 965EE quad 3.2ghz hyperthreaded.
[05:52:20] <HaikuUser2> as the tempature goes up the demands on amperage go up to maintain a voltage
[05:52:33] <largo> the 4870 X2 is like 2 cards in 1.
[05:52:35] <helf2> i suppose if you were pegging the gpus AND cpu you'd be pushing 600w :p
[05:52:42] <HaikuUser2> plus 5 drivers
[05:52:47] <helf2> they dont draw much
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[05:53:00] <HaikuUser2> additive not to mention the north and southbridge
[05:53:00] <helf2> i have 4 1tb satas in my pc and together they barely draw 50w
[05:53:09] <largo> and the wifi, floppy, dl-dvd burner, etc...
[05:53:11] <helf2> HaikuUser, again, its nost going to add up to much
[05:53:13] <HaikuUser2> 5 is close to 60
[05:53:21] <largo> the 3 DDR3 sticks etc...
[05:53:23] <largo> it adds up.
[05:53:24] <helf2> as i said, people over estimate a lot
[05:53:28] <HaikuUser2> 20w for nb 15 sb 300w gpu 150 cpu
[05:53:32] <helf2> get a kill-a-watt :)
[05:53:39] <helf2> HaikuUser, these are peak maxes
[05:53:43] <helf2> not what they always consume
[05:53:56] <HaikuUser2> as the tempature rises the silicon requires more amperage to mantain a given voltage.
[05:54:05] <HaikuUser2> yeah but power supplys should never sag
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[05:54:20] <HaikuUser2> if this was a vintage tube amp. We'd want that sag for the sound
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[05:54:48] <helf2> largo, you should messure it with everything running full blast :) be interesting to see
[05:55:07] <HaikuUser2> I know my systems can draw alot of power when gamming on cracked out clocks
[05:55:25] <HaikuUser2> best way to measure is a amp probe. even though modern SMPS's are nearly 95% effiecnt in some instances
[05:56:23] <helf2> or slap a $20 kill-a-watt on the power cord
[05:56:30] <helf2> itll give you a mostly accurate reading
[05:56:50] <HaikuUser2> not really. I have a pretty nice $1000 amp probe
[05:56:54] <largo> helf2: yeah... what is the easiest way to measure?
[05:57:00] <helf2> largo, a $20 kill-a-watt
[05:57:01] <helf2> :p
[05:57:02] <HaikuUser2> Ac probes can be fooled by other draws close by
[05:57:03] <helf2> its what i have
[05:57:18] <helf2> HaikuUser, we dont want scientifically accurate readings
[05:57:21] <helf2> just a good general one
[05:57:26] <HaikuUser2> gross estimation would be the best term to use there
[05:57:38] <largo> hehe
[05:57:42] <helf2> anyways
[05:57:43] <largo> well, it'd be nice to know.
[05:57:52] <HaikuUser2> not to mention loss % but its not much on a modern PSU.
[05:57:53] <largo> maybe I'll ask for it for Christmas or something.
[05:57:57] <helf2> I guess your machine probably draw a pretty hefty amount iwth that cpu
[05:58:11] <HaikuUser2> the I7's are pigs when overclocked
[05:58:16] <helf2> my laptop uses around 15w under normal use :D
[05:58:30] <helf2> any chip is a pig when overclocked
[05:58:32] <HaikuUser2> mine idles around 85w or so depending on the clock settings
[05:58:41] <helf2> the phenoms guzzle electricity if you over clock them
[05:59:01] <HaikuUser2> push it to full bore with some of the voltage mods I have done to the GPU and it really climbs hard
[05:59:03] <helf2> my old p4 sucked power like no tomorrow at certain clocks, lol. at 5.1ghz it idled over 300w
[05:59:08] <HaikuUser2> specially with a unlocked bios
[05:59:23] <HaikuUser2> thats crazy 5.1gh p4
[05:59:26] <helf2> yeah, i just dont see the point in going that far with an overclock
[05:59:34] <helf2> when you require mods to fix vdroop.. meh
[05:59:35] <helf2> :p
[05:59:39] <HaikuUser2> I think I could push this phenom up a bit more but right now shes nice at 3ghz
[05:59:41] <helf2> get a faster card
[05:59:50] <helf2> is it a first or second gen?
[05:59:51] <HaikuUser2> I am
[05:59:59] <HaikuUser2> waiting on 6xxx to come out
[06:00:04] <HaikuUser2> phenom 2
[06:00:07] <helf2> ah
[06:00:18] <helf2> i have my little sisters x3 runing at 3ghz with the fourth core enabled
[06:00:19] <HaikuUser2> its barely Oc'd and very efficnet.
[06:00:29] <HaikuUser2> I think I can downclock it on haiku by alot actually
[06:00:29] <helf2> it ran fine at 3.8ghz but her case doesnt allwo for good air flow
[06:00:53] <HaikuUser2> I still can't belive I got this thing to boot native with haiku
[06:01:01] <helf2> i had my old core2 quad 9550 at 800mhz and it was plenty :p
[06:01:08] <HaikuUser2> I did go into the kernel config file and disable ACPI and the other power controls
[06:01:18] <HaikuUser2> after booting in safe mode a few times
[06:01:26] <HaikuUser2> but it works
[06:01:29] <HaikuUser2> damn is it fast !
[06:01:33] <helf2> but, anyways, the phenoms are pretty power hungry
[06:01:39] <helf2> its like intel and AMD reversed roles
[06:01:52] <HaikuUser2> ehhh not really.
[06:01:54] <helf2> im hoping bulldozer is nice
[06:01:58] <HaikuUser2> about the same at 40nm
[06:02:06] <helf2> eeeeh, yes. an i5 will beat an x3/4 and draw less power
[06:02:09] <HaikuUser2> bulldozer by the looks of thing might be a intel killer
[06:02:14] <helf2> i doubt that
[06:02:18] <HaikuUser2> I think so
[06:02:18] <helf2> but it looks like it might be nice
[06:02:22] <HaikuUser2> I know low level
[06:02:24] <helf2> yeah, itll never happen
[06:02:27] <helf2> uh huh
[06:02:28] <HaikuUser2> its done all the right things
[06:02:32] <helf2> and?
[06:02:36] <helf2> people were spewing that over the phenom
[06:02:43] <HaikuUser2> you read up much on it ?
[06:02:47] <HaikuUser2> ehh I didn;t
[06:02:55] <HaikuUser2> phenom was just another half tick for amd
[06:03:06] <helf2> I dont see amd beating intel any time soon
[06:03:12] <helf2> chipzilla is just too good at what it does.
[06:03:17] <HaikuUser2> Why they do in several segements already
[06:03:20] <helf2> they MIGHT win some points in the lower power segment
[06:03:24] <helf2> like what?
[06:03:28] <HaikuUser2> ehh did you read the presentation on BD ?
[06:03:38] <helf2> i think so. have a link to it?
[06:04:12] <helf2> they only win in the price/performance area in a few segments. thats about it :p
[06:04:18] <HaikuUser2> http://www.anandtech.com/show/3865/amd-bobcat-bulldozer-hot-chips-presentations-online
[06:04:33] <helf2> oh, yeah, read it
[06:04:34] <HaikuUser2> they completely revisted how to get data and instruction from one end of the cpu to the other
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[06:04:41] <HaikuUser2> streamling alot
[06:04:51] <HaikuUser2> intel is going to hit a brick wall soon
[06:04:52] <helf2> doesnt mean anything till we see an actual working chip
[06:04:58] <HaikuUser2> I agree
[06:05:14] <helf2> and intel could probably spit out a new sdesign thats been sitting on the back burner once that happens ;)
[06:05:20] <HaikuUser2> but on the face value of what they are disclosing. Looks to be very efficient and improves alot of holdbacks of both AMD and Intel offerings
[06:05:21] <helf2> but i really hope bulldozer does well for amd
[06:05:24] <helf2> intel needs competition
[06:05:38] <HaikuUser2> Intel has had competition
[06:05:40] <helf2> I like their take on multiple execution units per core
[06:05:47] <HaikuUser2> especially in the $$$ to performance front
[06:06:01] <helf2> intel could lower prices whenever
[06:06:04] <HaikuUser2> yes but the amazing part is the commonized scheduler and the GPU like integera piplines
[06:06:09] <helf2> seriously, its like they are letting amd have that low end
[06:06:54] <helf2> i like my sisters athlon II x3 but i only bought it for her because i caught it and a motherboard onsale for $70 :p
[06:07:00] <helf2> otherwise it was going to be an i5
[06:08:40] <HaikuUser2> I tell you AMD has a whalop planned for intel
[06:08:58] <HaikuUser2> they have a edge in APU to with the strong GPU cores
[06:09:06] <helf2> ill believe it when i see it
[06:09:13] <helf2> atis GPUs ARE far better than intels tho
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[06:09:19] <helf2> intel needs to get over themselves and just buy nvidia :p
[06:09:22] <HaikuUser2> sucks the 32nm parts are looking a bit late. GloFo and TSMC are definately hurting AMD
[06:09:58] <HaikuUser2> you don't think those GPU improvements won't make it to bulldozer ? Everything about bulldozer screams the lessons they learned buying ATI
[06:09:59] <helf2> amds flagship desktop 6core chip, evne when overclocked to 4ghz, cant match the 980x at stock speeds. its kinda sad.
[06:10:07] <helf2> i really hope bulldozer DOES iprove their performance a lot. heh
[06:10:11] <HaikuUser2> Nvidia is in a bad spot to lossing so much integrated market share
[06:10:16] <helf2> i never said that
[06:10:19] <helf2> i just said ill believe it when i see it
[06:10:39] <HaikuUser2> 980 is a $1000 chip isn't it ?
[06:10:44] <HaikuUser2> top bin thuban is like $300
[06:10:47] <helf2> i know
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[06:11:03] <HaikuUser2> put another 500,000 transistors in a thuban and watch it eat
[06:11:08] <helf2> im just saying amd has nothing to compete with intels top of the line
[06:11:18] <helf2> just tacking on transistors isnt magic
[06:11:36] <HaikuUser2> did it occur to you that those resources were better spent designing and getting a functional new archtecture out the door
[06:11:48] <helf2> do you have to defend amd so vigorously?
[06:11:51] <HaikuUser2> not but thats one of the primary reason the intel chip is so much faster
[06:11:56] <helf2> im HOPING bobcat and bulldozer are awesome
[06:12:18] <helf2> the primary reason their chips are so much faster is due to better design
[06:12:19] <HaikuUser2> I think bobcat will do well in its market egment
[06:12:24] <HaikuUser2> bulldozer is a crap shoot
[06:12:26] <helf2> not the amount of transistors
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[06:12:38] <HaikuUser2> transistors counts make them better
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[06:12:42] <helf2> no it doesnt
[06:12:43] <helf2> wtf
[06:12:45] <HaikuUser2> more parts doing work
[06:13:07] <HaikuUser2> Intel has a few patents amd can't take advntage of either
[06:13:15] <HaikuUser2> like Hyperthreading
[06:13:22] <helf2> hyperthreading isnt intels
[06:13:44] <helf2> it was around before the alpha cpus started messing with it
[06:13:54] <helf2> tho i guess intel got the patents for the alphas version
[06:14:07] <HaikuUser2> yep
[06:14:15] <HaikuUser2> that why AMD has to add physical cores
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[06:14:49] <HaikuUser2> it could be argued with all the exta logic for ht on the 980 that it is almost a 12 core
[06:15:03] <helf2> 'eh
[06:15:19] <helf2> the multiple threading that bulldozer will be doing looks cool
[06:15:23] <HaikuUser2> ht can't work without the other components to allow it to do so
[06:15:24] <helf2> its like 1.8 cores
[06:15:46] <HaikuUser2> well whats interesting on bulldozer to me is the way they are sharing the schedulers etc
[06:16:00] <HaikuUser2> Looks like they are integrating the chip in a much more intense way
[06:16:14] <HaikuUser2> HT to me is like a peripheral add on in logic
[06:16:26] <HaikuUser2> ulldozer is taking a vastly different approach
[06:16:33] <HaikuUser2> how well that will work in practice ???
[06:16:42] <HaikuUser2> to me BD looks very GPU like
[06:16:43] <helf2> it appears itll work quite well
[06:17:01] <HaikuUser2> ever look at the GPU design for Juniper/evergreen ?
[06:17:06] <helf2> no
[06:17:15] <HaikuUser2> kind of some similar themes
[06:17:21] <helf2> if it does look gpu-like, it doesnt surprise me since they swallowed ati
[06:17:29] <helf2> btw, the ati brand is being phased out
[06:17:30] <helf2> kinda sad
[06:17:38] <HaikuUser2> yeah but the issue dealing with CPU's are parrellelism
[06:17:48] <HaikuUser2> yeah no great loss IMHO
[06:17:52] <HaikuUser2> ATI is no longer ATI
[06:18:01] <HaikuUser2> radeon is what people know anyways
[06:18:39] <HaikuUser2> I still cannot belive how well haiku runs
[06:18:46] <HaikuUser2> minmal CPU consumption to
[06:18:55] <helf2> i would hope so :p
[06:18:58] <HaikuUser2> this is like a upgrade in terms of hardware by 2 generations
[06:19:10] <helf2> its pretty quick
[06:19:11] <HaikuUser2> pretty damn good for a alpha
[06:19:21] <HaikuUser2> if they get the Apps and drivers going
[06:19:28] <HaikuUser2> they have a serious contender.
[06:19:35] <HaikuUser2> I still think the UI is a bit 80's ish
[06:19:51] <helf2> im glad its not like kde/osx/windows 7
[06:19:56] <HaikuUser2> kinda of feels like windows 3.1 a bit
[06:19:56] <helf2> im sick of bubbly UIs
[06:20:03] <HaikuUser2> not bubbly
[06:20:09] <HaikuUser2> but a bit more professional looking
[06:20:16] <helf2> itll get there
[06:20:20] <HaikuUser2> for sure
[06:20:29] <HaikuUser2> they got the kernel right though
[06:20:46] <HaikuUser2> know of a good sound card driver ?
[06:20:49] <HaikuUser2> for maudio ?
[06:20:51] <helf2> nope
[06:20:56] <HaikuUser2> shit
[06:20:56] <helf2> i dont use haiku at all yet :p
[06:21:02] <HaikuUser2> really ?
[06:21:04] <helf2> i have no reason to
[06:21:06] <HaikuUser2> wow ?
[06:21:07] <HaikuUser2> try it
[06:21:09] <helf2> im just waiting for release one
[06:21:12] <helf2> i have
[06:21:15] <helf2> i have no reason to use it
[06:21:21] <HaikuUser2> lacks of apps ?
[06:21:31] <helf2> hardware support, a few apps
[06:21:36] <helf2> and just no reason to move off my current OSes yet
[06:21:39] <HaikuUser2> yeah its lacking there
[06:21:43] <helf2> im not going to use an alpha OS as my primary OS
[06:21:51] <HaikuUser2> nah this is OS 4 for me
[06:22:04] <helf2> it ran well on my old laptop, tho
[06:22:10] <HaikuUser2> the last few months have been alot of hardware updates though
[06:22:10] <helf2> i used beos as my primary desktop OS for years
[06:22:42] <helf2> no updated firefox build and im not to fond of the irc client :p
[06:22:57] <HaikuUser2> irc client works fine for me
[06:23:01] <helf2> er
[06:23:03] <helf2> torrent client
[06:23:04] <helf2> not irc
[06:23:06] <helf2> vision is fine
[06:23:16] <helf2> i dont like transmission
[06:23:22] <HaikuUser2> do they even have a torrent client ?
[06:23:28] <helf2> transmission iirc
[06:23:33] <helf2> unless im horribly mistaken
[06:23:37] <l_n> transmission (which kdl's everytime i try to use it)
[06:23:45] <l_n> no gui for transmission yet, either.
[06:23:46] * helf2 pets uTorrent
[06:23:56] <HaikuUser2> utorrent is nice
[06:24:19] <helf2> my computer usage has dropped to the point that all i use is firefox, vlc, utorrent, and a few little side apps
[06:24:26] <HaikuUser2> lol
[06:24:32] <HaikuUser2> where you out of ?
[06:24:33] <helf2> if i can watch videos, get torrents, and open most document formats im happy :p
[06:24:38] <helf2> Alabama
[06:24:45] <HaikuUser2> ahh
[06:24:52] <helf2> im hoping haiku will one day work well with my libretto
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[06:25:16] <HaikuUser2> libretto ?
[06:25:38] <helf2> toshiba libretto
[06:25:48] <helf2> right now the only os thatll work worth a damn is windows 7 :p
[06:26:13] <helf2> because of the hardware design (the dual screens and all) unless i wanted to use a bt keyboard all the time
[06:27:07] <saivert> http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/libretto/W100
[06:27:09] <saivert> that one
[06:27:50] <HaikuUser2> thats pretty sweet
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[06:30:05] <HaikuUser2> I just have a old tablet that refuse to boot haiku for whatever reason
[06:30:24] <HaikuUser2> I am begging to wonder if something is wrong with it
[06:30:30] <HaikuUser2> like dieng chipset etc
[06:31:19] <helf2> probably just incompatible
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[06:35:19] <HaikuUser2> ehh not sure. It stopped booting windows which I presumed was a HDD fialure. figured booting it with haiku would let me test the hardware.
[06:35:24] <HaikuUser2> I dunno.
[06:35:33] <helf2> ah
[06:35:40] <helf2> try a linux live cd and see what happens
[06:36:08] <HaikuUser2> yeah I might
[06:39:16] <helf2> ha, bulldozers L2 will be running at half cpu operating frequency for "power consumption"
[06:39:22] <helf2> that might lend itself well to overclocknig :)
[06:41:38] <HaikuUser2> yeah. I think AMD is playing this one close to the chest for whatever reason
[06:41:46] <HaikuUser2> intel has been pretty quit it about it to
[06:42:49] <helf2> i sold my core2q last month.. using a lower power chip for now since my pc is just a torrent box at the moment. ill probably snag the first bulldozer chip when it gets released as an upgrade. itll be cool
[06:44:00] <HaikuUser2> i'd wait to see what it pans out like
[06:44:13] <HaikuUser2> plus first run silicon. Typically buggy IMO
[06:45:34] <helf2> being an early adopter is fun ;)
[06:46:17] <HaikuUser2> I think AMD is gonna come out guns blazing. But the refresh parts are usually alot better. That siad they have been working this thing for a while.
[06:46:33] <HaikuUser2> So it might come out ready to rock. I'll wait to see what the reviews say
[06:48:17] <helf2> yeah, guess is hould
[06:48:26] <helf2> whens the release date again? 1st quarter?
[06:49:15] <HaikuUser2> they haven't siad. 2011 is all anyone will commit to
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[06:49:20] <HaikuUser2> publially
[06:49:37] <HaikuUser2> they could be waiting for sandbridge to drop. If its really as good as I hope it is.
[06:49:47] <HaikuUser2> they may wait for SB and then drop BD right on it
[06:50:05] <helf2> heh
[06:50:07] <HaikuUser2> die shots are flaoting around so if anything is holding it up. Its TSMC and GloFO
[06:50:12] <helf2> do what intel has done to them 8 thousand times
[06:50:28] <HaikuUser2> intel got there ass kicked for a while by AMD
[06:50:42] <HaikuUser2> a lesson I think they might potentially learn again
[06:51:17] <helf2> they got their butts kicked while they were wanking around with netburst
[06:51:33] <helf2> then they gave up on that and destroyed AMDs then current chips with the core series
[06:51:35] <helf2> heh
[06:52:02] <HaikuUser2> I have yet to see intel destroy AMD in anything really
[06:52:42] <helf2> then you must be staring at stuff with your eyes shut hard.
[06:52:50] <HaikuUser2> dollar for dollar amd holds there own. core for core and clock for clock intel beats them in certain things it goes back and forth actually some of it is application depedant. AMD needs to get more API librarys to coders to make there parts work better
[06:52:58] <helf2> amd competes well for the price/performance on the mid to lower end
[06:53:02] <HaikuUser2> I can look at the same benchmarks as everyone else.
[06:53:31] <helf2> ok, maybe "destroy" is too strong of a word.
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[06:53:32] <HaikuUser2> the only CPU intel has today that completely wipes up with AMD offerings is the 980 which is a 6 core physical and 6 core logical processor
[06:53:38] <helf2> but "handilly out perform" is pretty true
[06:53:47] <HaikuUser2> and only in a few very specific apps to
[06:54:01] <HaikuUser2> intel does have better clock efficiency.
[06:54:06] <helf2> you have to heavily overclock their 6core chip for it to out perform intels quad cores
[06:54:09] <HaikuUser2> but I think that why AMD designed bulldozer
[06:54:33] <HaikuUser2> nah my 955 benchs right up there with the quads just fine at nearly stock settings
[06:54:43] <helf2> k
[06:54:45] <HaikuUser2> there a few apps they are better at
[06:54:50] <HaikuUser2> not enough to matter
[06:55:04] <HaikuUser2> 3-5 seconds of encoding time on a 2 hours project doesn't mean much
[06:55:12] <HaikuUser2> not thuban to 980
[06:55:17] <HaikuUser2> yeah not a good comparison
[06:55:30] <HaikuUser2> thban is handily beaten at pretty much everything by the 980
[06:55:46] <HaikuUser2> then again 980 has nearly double the transistor count and 6 more virtual cores
[06:55:51] <helf2> amd tends to win at a lot of gaming benchmarks it seems
[06:55:56] <HaikuUser2> so is it really a competition ?
[06:56:15] <helf2> no, its slaughter :p
[06:56:22] <HaikuUser2> well they make good instruction crunchers. Interger has been a weak point for a while
[06:56:36] <HaikuUser2> hence BD
[06:56:45] <helf2> but, ill agree, the differences are usually so small that its hardly noticable
[06:56:50] <saivert> I went from AMD Opteron on Socket 939 to Intel Core 2 Duo on Socket LGA-775. Maybe I'll go back to AMD when Bulldozer comes
[06:56:55] <helf2> yeah they bench faster or slower, but in general use you wont notice
[06:57:07] <HaikuUser2> leveraging there better instruction engine against what they gleaned from the ati purchase.
[06:57:07] <helf2> its just fun to argue ;P
[06:57:11] <HaikuUser2> I think they have something
[06:57:15] <helf2> saivert, yeah
[06:57:15] <HaikuUser2> what is the question
[06:57:24] <helf2> i used an athlon 64 for a long time along with my tualatins
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[06:57:49] <HaikuUser2> I still use a a64 everyday
[06:57:54] <HaikuUser2> runs just fine
[06:57:58] <helf2> yes
[06:58:01] <helf2> depending on your uses
[06:58:05] <HaikuUser2> faster then the 2 p4 machines we have at higher clocks
[06:58:07] <helf2> my box still uses an x2 3500
[06:58:15] <helf2> i dont doubt that
[06:58:20] <helf2> athlons were better chips than the p4s
[06:58:24] <helf2> netburst isnt exactly efficient
[06:58:32] <HaikuUser2> due to a better instruction engine
[06:58:43] <helf2> unless you code specifically for it
[06:58:50] <helf2> netburst was great at a/v stuff :p
[06:59:10] <HaikuUser2> yes it was
[06:59:17] <HaikuUser2> for its time
[06:59:24] <helf2> instruction engine?
[06:59:25] <helf2> what?
[07:00:04] <HaikuUser2> AMD has a better decoding unit then intel
[07:00:08] <HaikuUser2> they have for a long time
[07:00:09] <helf2> my workstation at work is a dual 3ghz xeon box with HT and 4mb L3 cache.. plenty fast for everything i do even if they draw crazy power :p
[07:00:09] <CIA-57> scottmc * r994 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Initial .bep and .patch files for json-c.
[07:00:35] <helf2> if you say so
[07:00:39] <HaikuUser2> intel had a better pipline
[07:00:42] <HaikuUser2> its true
[07:05:53] <HaikuUser2> gotta sleep
[07:05:54] <HaikuUser2> ttyl
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[07:38:55] <jmayfield> um,,
[07:38:58] <jmayfield> heh
[07:39:02] <jmayfield> weird kids
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[07:53:03] <dru345> hi OmniMancer
[07:53:07] <dru345> hi jmayfield
[07:53:19] <jmayfield> hi
[07:54:36] <OmniMancer> hi
[08:12:54] <kurain> hi dru345
[08:13:27] <dru345> hi kurain
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[08:15:14] <kurain> I will leave for class, so see you dru345
[08:15:19] <kurain> see you all
[08:15:26] <dru345> bye
[08:24:14] * JonathanThompson notes just how incredibly crappy AT&T's network service is by noting the first sign of 2 voicemail messages being reported from 8/24 tonight...
[08:24:56] * JonathanThompson poits helf2, jmayfield, OmniMancer and dru345 in greetings
[08:26:57] <dru345> hi JonathanThompson
[08:27:16] <JonathanThompson> Hi dru345.
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[13:20:48] <hjain> Hi, I am a btech final year student from India. As my btech project I am interested in implementing 'NFSv4 client with xattr support and caching'. Is anybody currently working on this project?
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[13:41:26] <hjain> Hi, I am a btech final year student from India. As my btech project I am interested in implementing 'NFSv4 client with xattr support and caching'. Is anybody currently working on this project?
[13:49:29] <marshan> hjain: A better place to ask would be the Haiku dev mailing list
[13:49:39] <marshan> just to be 100% certain we don't duplicate code
[13:50:33] <hjain> ok
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[14:26:34] <mmu_screen> highzeth: it'd be nice to have this :)
[14:26:45] <mmu_screen> hjain: I meant
[14:26:56] <mmu_screen> how many ppl are there here now anyway ? :)
[14:27:23] <marshan> ?
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