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[00:04:04] <DraX> martinhpedersen: hoorah for twitter client \o/
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[00:04:13] <DraX> martinhpedersen: there was some feature i wanted but i forgot what it was :D
[00:05:03] <martinhpedersen> Thanks DraX!;) Let me know if it comes to mind! :D
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[00:06:56] <DraX> infopopper integration might be nice but that wasn't it
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[00:07:59] <martinhpedersen> Oops, got disconnected from the bouncer;p Anything I missed?:p
[00:08:30] <DraX> infopopper integration might be nice but that wasn't it
[00:09:54] <martinhpedersen> infopopper integration seems like a good idea! Didn't even know there was an infopopper, but I will check it out:)
[00:10:29] <mmadia> there's even been plans to integrate infopopper into Haiku itself.
[00:10:32] <DraX> there has been some talk of making it a real api i think
[00:10:36] <DraX> what mmadia said :D
[00:11:04] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas?version=25
[00:11:16] * mmu_man has some long term plans about a task oriented API...
[00:11:39] <DraX> that didn't make it on the official list though did it?
[00:11:51] <mmu_screen> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/TrackerTasksMockup.png
[00:12:17] <DraX> mmu_screen: that would be nice, especially instead of the download window in web+
[00:12:35] <mmu_man> yeah, each app has its own task handler...
[00:12:51] <mmu_man> eventually they could be grouped by app
[00:13:00] <mmu_man> and expanded like Deskbar's expando
[00:13:16] <mmu_man> bbl
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[00:13:38] <AlienSoldier> mmu_screen exactly what i mentioned in the webpositive comment, ryan mentioned he was having that in mind also, but your mockup is exactly what i was having in mind
[00:15:54] <martinhpedersen> A api integrated into Haiku for notifications would be fantastic... like growl or something ;)
[00:15:58] <DraX> might be nice to make it more bubbles than a window though
[00:16:05] <DraX> not sure
[00:18:41] <martinhpedersen> yeah, don't know how bubbles would look on haiku... could be interesting though ;p
[00:19:03] <DraX> yeah it's hard
[00:19:06] <DraX> you want a notification
[00:19:13] <DraX> ie, something that actually gets your attention
[00:19:18] <DraX> but for it to see haikuish
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[00:23:01] <martinhpedersen> Hehe, and not be too anoying;p
[00:23:09] <DraX> yeah
[00:23:17] <DraX> though isn't that implied in haikuish? ;)
[00:23:43] <martinhpedersen> Good point;)
[00:24:12] <margiolas> hello can I have the link with the gsoc ideas? (I am not on my pc and I can't find the link
[00:24:38] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2010
[00:25:15] <margiolas> thanks
[00:27:11] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, notification system for BeOS/Haiku: http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/infopopper
[00:28:42] <margiolas> I have checked in the past some ideas is it positive to send a mail on the list with my approach on an idea?
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[00:28:57] <mmadia> most definitely margiolas.
[00:30:04] <mmadia> by discussing and researching ideas sooner, you will be better prepared.
[00:30:10] <martinhpedersen> Thanks Kokito:) So this infopopper, is it commonly used? I mean, is it worth a days work?:)
[00:30:23] <AlienSoldier> the ide list this time is really good, other than abiword that i could liek without, it's pretty much nice thing to have
[00:30:30] <AlienSoldier> *live
[00:30:43] <AlienSoldier> *idea
[00:30:53] <margiolas> mmadia:hm ok but i am considering about my experience on haiku, I have good experience with system development(basically on linux) but on haiku I have limited experiece
[00:31:13] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, I used it a lot in ZETA, but never in Haiku.
[00:31:38] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, according to http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/infopopper/news it does "run on Haiku very fine" ;)
[00:31:44] <mmadia> do you build your own Haiku images, margiolas?
[00:32:31] <mmadia> ... as that would be a good starting point.
[00:32:32] <margiolas> mmadia: I have been playing with haiku some months now
[00:32:40] <martinhpedersen> Ok, I have been thinking about a notification system for HaikuTwitter for a while... so I guess it's worth looking into :)
[00:32:45] <margiolas> i have played with apis etc...
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[00:34:03] <vooshy> margiolas: out of curiosity, any examples?
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[00:36:59] <DraX> temacs builds again
[00:37:07] <margiolas> vooshy: I have wrote some examples with appliation kit...
[00:37:11] <DraX> lets see it fail horribly trying to byte-compile
[00:37:35] <margiolas> and two days now i have started searching the kernel code...
[00:37:53] <margiolas> I aim to take o deeper look in the weekend
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[00:38:46] <vooshy> margiolas: not that i have any sway over who they choose, but sounds like you know enough to me
[00:38:54] <margiolas> I have to say I am not a beos fun (I have never used beos) but I find the plilosophy of haiku instrdting
[00:39:01] <DraX> margiolas: anything on the list you're particulalry interested in?
[00:40:36] <margiolas> Drax:mayby the bootman expansion or the ext3 filesystem support
[00:40:53] <margiolas> I had read in a older list version about arm port...
[00:42:03] <mmadia> yes, i was pretty aggressive with trimming the ideas list.
[00:43:20] <margiolas> mmadia: but i believe that  arm port (or any arch port) mayby is something huge for a 3 month period
[00:44:04] <mmadia> yes, i've concerns on mentor availability for it.
[00:44:51] <margiolas> I have written a simplified os on a lego nxt (peripheral drivers etc) and I think it's huge work for a real os port
[00:45:34] <mmadia> right, we're also open to the idea of doing a specific group of tasks within a very large task.
[00:47:19] <DraX> sofar so good on emacs compile..
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[00:47:28] <AlienSoldier> looking at the bug tracker with all those color, it feel like a big complex tetris game you must clean all the bug before going to the next level (R1)
[00:48:05] <mmu_screen> AlienSoldier: the mockup is years old :p
[00:48:26] <AlienSoldier> mmu_screen it's been years i requested it also :P
[00:49:57] <AlienSoldier> mmu_screen i mentioned it again lately because there is so much app needing "downloader" lately that it would be a good time to do it, or else everything will have his own eventually and it will angain be status quo.
[00:50:12] <AlienSoldier> *again
[00:50:41] <AlienSoldier> nothing kill an OS better than the good enough situation :)
[00:51:09] <margiolas> mmadia: also i think it will be useful (for developers) an integration of hardware events on process monitoring
[00:51:20] <margiolas> eg: L1/L2 cache misses
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[01:23:43] <l_n> DraX: temacs?
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[01:24:38] <l_n> n/m
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[01:25:05] <l_n> i have to wonder how difficult it would be to inject the pdump code into gnu emacs
[01:25:08] <romulo> im back
[01:25:13] <l_n> since that seems to be the main issue
[01:26:16] <DraX> uhh, no it's not
[01:26:23] <Skipp_OSX> I would like to see notification support
[01:26:48] <DraX> the issue actually changes every time i try and build emacs
[01:26:56] <DraX> but it's generally some form of infinite loop somewhere
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[01:27:05] <Skipp_OSX> what are the chances of infopopper getting included in tree?
[01:27:39] <romulo> can someone point me development tutorials for haiku? Im a professional C++ developer btw. Been using C++ for the last 6 years.
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[01:29:08] <vooshy> romulo: ive got net problems at the moment, but there is documentation on the haiku api on the website
[01:29:41] <romulo> but some introductional tutorial too?
[01:30:08] <romulo> i wish i knew more about networking, have wpa/wpa2 would be awesome (since i already have an atheros card btw :P
[01:30:26] <vooshy> the blog on the website has started some tutorials but they are beginner c++
[01:30:49] <romulo> hmm, if it messes with the api i dont mind :P
[01:31:15] <vooshy> darkwyrm i think is the username
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[01:32:00] <Skipp_OSX> romulo, well http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/programming_the_be_operating_system.pdf is a book from 1999 about programming the BeOS
[01:32:35] <Skipp_OSX> romulo, but it is more about application programming than driver programming
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[01:33:27] <romulo> i see
[01:33:41] <romulo> downloading anyway
[01:33:48] <romulo> should the beos samples be any use?
[01:34:16] <Skipp_OSX> romulo, my best suggestion is to go to http://www.haiku-os.org/articles and find something that looks helpful for what you are trying to do
[01:34:20] <romulo> for me, haiku looks likely to be more successful (in desktops) than linux, mainly because everytihng is integrated
[01:34:45] <romulo> a graphicall package installer would be awesome
[01:35:25] <Skipp_OSX> romulo, one is in the planning stage
[01:35:30] <romulo> ah cool
[01:36:05] <Skipp_OSX> romulo, actually the idea as discussed on the mailing list is pretty cool
[01:36:16] <Skipp_OSX> romulo, it is kind of like Mac OS X packages with a twist
[01:36:23] <Skipp_OSX> errr bundles
[01:36:52] <romulo> dmg's installation are cool
[01:36:52] <Skipp_OSX> however, apps aren't self contained like on OS X, but they appear to be to the user
[01:36:57] <romulo> something like that would be awesome
[01:39:08] <Skipp_OSX> romulo, here is a link: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagerIdeas
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[01:41:42] <os_not_found> what feature had been added since de alpha release?
[01:41:50] <os_not_found> de =the
[01:43:29] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, well, the two main areas of improvment have been the locale kit and the layout kit, but there have also been many speed ups done by Ingo, unencrypted wireless support added
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[01:44:49] <os_not_found> for what languages there are locales
[01:44:54] <os_not_found> ?
[01:45:20] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, here is a better source: http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/ImprovementsSinceAlpha1
[01:45:29] <os_not_found> ok
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[01:46:03] <os_not_found> in your opinion would you consider worth to build from source?
[01:46:10] <os_not_found> just for using it?
[01:46:20] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, well... you can download a nightly build
[01:46:30] <os_not_found> mmhhh
[01:46:45] <os_not_found> how updated it is
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[01:47:17] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, http://haiku-files.org/
[01:47:39] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, well the nightly's are updated... nightly, so it will be almost as updated as it can get
[01:47:44] <Kokito> os_not_found, nightlies are updated daily :)
[01:48:16] <os_not_found> nightly = nightly
[01:48:24] <os_not_found> that was a fool question
[01:48:32] <os_not_found> :-)
[01:49:30] <os_not_found> can i down using Bittorrent ?
[01:49:36] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, if you just want to try out a nightly, I'd suggest grabbing the vmware image and loading it up in virtual box
[01:49:54] <os_not_found> vmware != virtualbox
[01:50:08] <os_not_found> but i did understand your point
[01:50:27] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, virtualbox can read vmware disk images though
[01:50:34] <os_not_found> ehh?
[01:50:39] <os_not_found> i never know
[01:50:46] <os_not_found> about it
[01:51:24] <os_not_found> thanks
[01:52:01] <os_not_found> about BT ?
[01:53:06] <Skipp_OSX> I don't understand
[01:54:31] <os_not_found> download via bittorrent
[01:54:52] <os_not_found> i dont like FTP/HTTP download
[01:55:14] <os_not_found> i cant use all my bandwidith sometimes
[01:55:15] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, sorry, I don't know of any
[01:55:20] <Kokito> os_not_found, I don't know of nightly torrents, but you never know
[01:55:32] <os_not_found> aplha 1 torrent ?
[01:55:39] <Kokito> yes
[01:56:13] <Kokito> somewhere here os_not_found: http://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku
[01:56:13] <os_not_found> How the haiku ui should be , i want to help to improve haiku?
[01:56:45] <Skipp_OSX> os_not_found, http://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku has alpha1 torrents
[01:56:50] <os_not_found> ok
[01:56:59] <os_not_found> about my other question
[01:57:03] <Skipp_OSX> well, I gtg, sorry
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[01:57:09] <helf|laptop> hi
[01:57:35] <os_not_found> How the haiku ui should be , i want to help to improve haiku?
[01:57:39] <DraX> romulo: at this point the best documentation is probably UTSL :/
[01:57:47] <os_not_found> link ?
[01:58:15] <os_not_found> by the detecting problems in the apps ui
[01:58:33] <os_not_found> and filing bugs
[01:59:36] <vooshy> os_not_found: http://dev.haiku-os.org create an account, download haiku nightlies and each bug report in trac
[01:59:47] <os_not_found> yes
[02:00:04] <os_not_found> but i my point is how i recognize a ui bug
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[02:00:58] <vooshy> os_not_found: either will be obvious to yourself or haiku will enter KDL
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[02:02:04] <os_not_found> whats K D L
[02:02:12] <helf|laptop> kernel debuger land
[02:02:14] <helf|laptop> *debugger
[02:02:19] <os_not_found> ahh
[02:02:33] <helf|laptop> aka haiku/beos version of BSOD
[02:03:10] <os_not_found> actually is not blue
[02:03:18] <os_not_found> but black
[02:03:39] <os_not_found> how it is the KDL
[02:03:58] <helf|laptop> I said haikus *version* :p and BSOD can mean black or blue ;)
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[02:04:04] <helf|laptop> iirc, its black in vista/windows 7. heh
[02:04:13] <os_not_found> is the system still usable to limeted point
[02:04:14] <os_not_found> ?
[02:04:38] <helf|laptop> i think its pretty much dead until a reboot. but you might be able to tell it to 'continue' and itll keep going
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[02:04:41] <helf|laptop> but i dunno how often that works
[02:05:06] <os_not_found> you get KDL when ______________________ ?
[02:05:20] <helf|laptop> when something goes horribly wrong :p
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[02:16:51] <helf|laptop> yo
[02:16:59] <JonathanThompson> oy
[02:17:25] <JonathanThompson> What's going on?
[02:17:39] <helf|laptop> sitting at home preparing to put a lot of stuff on eBay
[02:17:41] <helf|laptop> including my NeXT
[02:17:46] <helf|laptop> finally decided to part with it. lol
[02:17:52] * JonathanThompson falls over from shock
[02:18:00] <helf|laptop> I think I prefer a better car than an old computer at the moment
[02:18:08] <OmniMancer1> :P
[02:18:16] <OmniMancer1> maybe you just prefer haiku :P
[02:18:21] <helf|laptop> I can probably sell my collection for $500 or better
[02:18:25] <JonathanThompson> You mean you like not having to push your car?
[02:18:40] <helf|laptop> between that, the few other things im selling, i should be able to pay my loan off in like 4 months and then get another one and get better wheels
[02:18:40] <helf|laptop> :p
[02:18:44] <helf|laptop> no, my vans pretty reliable
[02:18:48] <helf|laptop> but it gets 12mpg right now
[02:18:53] <helf|laptop> and the engine is getting nosy
[02:18:55] <helf|laptop> noisy
[02:18:55] <helf|laptop> :p
[02:18:58] <helf|laptop> 12mpg = suck
[02:19:11] <JonathanThompson> That's better gas mileage than YOU get :p
[02:19:17] <helf|laptop> it still sucks
[02:19:18] <helf|laptop> :p
[02:20:05] <helf|laptop> I may put the onyx2 on eBay. dunno how that will ever sell, tho
[02:20:10] <helf|laptop> itll have to be local pickup only :p
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[02:25:55] <AlienSoldier> helf|laptop make it local pick up, hot chick only... and 70s' funky music in the background
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[02:27:23] <romulo> nice package manager description
[02:27:30] <helf|laptop> lol AlienSoldier
[02:28:50] <helf|laptop> AlienSoldier, playing ballroom blitz
[02:29:39] <DraX> damnit, segfault trying to bytecompile some cedet el file
[02:30:13] <DraX> sig11
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[02:31:40] <os_not_found> any good games for haiku?
[02:32:37] <DraX> trying to compile random things is a good game
[02:33:03] <JonathanThompson> Sure to get a random response on an alpha system!
[02:33:22] <OmniMancer1> os_not_found: not really, depends what you classify as good
[02:35:22] <AlienSoldier> os_not_found not much my kind of game but there is free civ and a bunch of emulated game
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[02:39:40] <OmniMancer1> and I think ScummVM has been ported sort of
[02:39:53] <AlienSoldier> not just sort of
[02:40:02] <OmniMancer1> I think if I start some games programming I shall try on haiku so that we get something to play :P even if its terrible
[02:40:43] <AlienSoldier> can't be worst than eugenia SDL game port
[02:40:51] <AlienSoldier> *ports
[02:41:35] <JonathanThompson> Oh, sure it can! :p
[02:41:51] <JonathanThompson> All depends on whether OmniMancer1 creates a new game, or recreates something already done :D
[02:42:05] <AlienSoldier> some good one i don't know if htey work, kobo delux, spijynx (or something like that) and deluxe snake
[02:42:11] <helf|laptop> eugenia..
[02:42:16] <helf|laptop> that woman is annoying :p
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[02:43:09] <AlienSoldier> and there is worm, another one i did not test
[02:43:55] * romulo is a games programmer
[02:44:37] <DraX> grr, nightly haiku didn't help :(
[02:45:03] * AlienSoldier want Karateka vs Capcom :P
[02:45:59] <DraX> i think this is the same place it failed last time :/
[02:46:30] <AlienSoldier> i can't boot it anymore on my test PC from many nightly now
[02:46:34] <Kokito> DraX, what problem are you having?
[02:47:45] <DraX> signal 11 when i try and byte-compile cedet/srecode/mode.el
[02:48:03] <Kokito> ah... that's way over my head :)
[02:50:18] <DraX> i wonder if i can remove cedet from the build
[02:52:07] <Kokito> you probably could, but the questions whether you should :)
[02:52:36] <OmniMancer1> romulo: write haiku game?
[02:54:13] <DraX> haiku mention.. sort of http://aruiz.synaptia.net/siliconisland/2010/03/if-i-was-microsoft.html
[02:56:14] <helf|laptop> lol
[02:56:17] <helf|laptop> OS ballot
[02:56:18] <helf|laptop> thats great
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[03:01:51] <os_not_found> imagine a BSOD
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[03:02:06] <os_not_found> recommending to switch to haiku
[03:02:28] <os_not_found> or another os
[03:02:36] <os_not_found> it would be great
[03:04:06] <os_not_found> exacption at adress 0x0679797 ... lot of hex ... to solv the problem you could reboot (wont work ha ha) or switch to any of these oses
[03:04:16] <os_not_found> haiku
[03:04:20] <os_not_found> freebsd
[03:04:22] <os_not_found> linux
[03:04:25] <os_not_found> reactos
[03:05:31] <romulo> reactos is no more
[03:05:36] <os_not_found> why ?
[03:05:44] <romulo> uh....read the news :P
[03:05:50] <os_not_found> where
[03:06:48] <os_not_found> link please
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[03:10:15] <romulo> ops
[03:10:19] <romulo> confunded reactos :P
[03:10:25] <romulo> with skyos :P
[03:10:42] <romulo> infact reactos is better now
[03:13:02] <AlienSoldier> those freaking "share this" pull down menu are the new pop up :(
[03:14:00] <os_not_found> do you know any osdev irc channel
[03:14:16] <os_not_found> im banned from #osdev
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[03:20:49] <os_not_found> ??
[03:22:27] <romulo> just by reading that haiku is completely written in c++ makes me happy
[03:22:30] <romulo> and love it instantly
[03:23:13] <OmniMancer1> :P
[03:23:37] <OmniMancer1> AlienSoldier: make a blocker for them!
[03:23:49] <romulo> do we have boost?
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[03:25:12] <OmniMancer1> um
[03:25:27] <OmniMancer1> I would like to say that since we have gcc4 some of the boost libs will run
[03:25:39] <ZeroXp> hi
[03:25:45] <ZeroXp> i need help
[03:26:11] <romulo> im still trying to find a IDE good as visual studio
[03:26:15] <romulo> mainly because of intellisense
[03:26:47] <OmniMancer1> well in my opinion you should be able to write without it
[03:26:55] <OmniMancer1> and codeblocks sort of has intellisense
[03:27:21] <OmniMancer1> and hopefully the IDE someone makes using clang at some point in time will be awesome and destroy VS with its awesomeness
[03:29:01] <romulo> sometime is not now :P
[03:29:14] <romulo> i mainly use vim to develop, but viEmu inside visual studio
[03:29:31] <romulo> nothing beats visual studio + visual assist for c++
[03:29:35] <romulo> im trying to get used to emacs now
[03:30:25] <OmniMancer1> :P don't get too used to it so far it doesn't work on haiku :P
[03:30:44] * largo returns...
[03:30:51] <OmniMancer1> yay largo :P
[03:30:58] <largo> :D
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[03:32:19] <romulo> it doesnt work *yet*
[03:32:20] <romulo> :D
[03:32:41] <romulo> also im going to try eclipse and monodevelop
[03:32:45] <romulo> they say good stuff about them
[03:33:03] * largo eating some breakfast... then catching up on email and news etc.. then back to Haiku hacking.
[03:33:21] <OmniMancer1> I think emacs is rather badly implemented in some ways :P
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[05:12:56] <l_n> DraX: i could've sworn you had said that emacs not dumping was one of the major problems with it..
[05:13:12] * l_n is trusting his memory less and less these days..
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[05:23:09] <CIA-50> scottmc * r635 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/apr-util/apr-util-1.3.9.bep: Updated .bep file for apr-util-1.3.9, this one seems to work, at least on gcc2.
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[05:33:35] <DraX> l_n: that's an issue, but emacs supports not dumping
[05:33:37] <DraX> l_n: the real issue is that it just doesn't work, for example it's segfaulting while trying to byte-compile cedet/srecode/mode.el
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[05:49:02] <largo> bleh. I'm still having issues with this. :( every time I try pulling the svn haiku tree, it gets part way through after like 5 minutes... and then the system just suddenly slows to an almost freeze... just barely crawling...
[05:49:11] <largo> I'm not out of memory... the CPUs aren't pegged...
[05:49:28] <DraX> i've heard reports of that before i think
[05:49:33] <DraX> always on real hardware also i think
[05:49:33] <mmadia> does processcontroller show any unusual cpu activity?
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[05:49:42] <largo> I got a KDL earlier when doing it.
[05:49:56] <largo> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/haiku/handles.png
[05:50:03] <largo> I'm in virtualbox doing it.
[05:50:09] <largo> so I can get an easy screenshot. :)
[05:50:30] <mmadia> oh hey, i've seen those panics too!
[05:50:40] <mmadia> can you dev.haiku-os.org/newticket this?
[05:51:04] <largo> sure.
[05:51:08] <mmadia> you can assign it to axel, as it's part of block_cache.cpp
[05:51:15] <largo> k
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[05:52:43] <CIA-50> scottmc * r636 /haikuports/trunk/sys-devel/flex/flex-2.5.35.bep: Fixed .bep for flex-2.5.35
[06:00:37] <largo> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5562  good enough?
[06:01:34] <mmadia> it's a good rule to include the actual panic message in the description or title.
[06:01:45] <mmadia> this'll help reduce duplicates,
[06:02:08] <largo> "PANIC: could not allocate parent"
[06:02:09] <largo> that one?
[06:02:23] <mmadia> yup
[06:02:26] <largo> k
[06:02:54] <mmadia> and upload a syslog too
[06:03:26] <largo> PANIC: could not allocate parent - KDL (system slows to an almost freeze or kernel panics when checking out haiku svn trunk.)
[06:03:34] <largo> or should I put the latter part in the body itself.
[06:03:41] <largo> I'm trying to get the syslog at the moment. ;)
[06:03:57] <mmadia> open /var/log/syslog
[06:04:23] <largo> the system is basically frozen.
[06:04:36] <largo> I was able to  "car /var/log/syslog > syslogfoo.txt"
[06:04:44] <largo> but it looks like it pretty much locked solid after that.
[06:04:55] <largo> the clock still says 5 minutes ago. :/
[06:05:29] <largo> if I kill it, will the file still be there?
[06:05:43] <mmadia> yeah, there may be a syslog.old too.
[06:06:25] <largo> k, I'll kill it, restart, and grab those.
[06:12:18] <l_n> largo: what revision?
[06:12:38] * l_n just updated svn to update his installs
[06:13:55] <largo> r35808
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[06:21:53] <the_ringmaster> can someone tell me what's going on here. I'm trying to build a simple haiku iso image. I've compiled with gcc4 http://pastebin.com/tWLNMBVs
[06:24:52] <l_n> the_ringmaster: what was the ../.../path/to/haiku/src/haiku/configure command line you used?
[06:25:32] <the_ringmaster> "./configure --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86 ../buildtools/"
[06:25:33] <l_n> wow.. i'm slipping.. i haven't used a metasyntactic variable in foo days.
[06:25:55] <l_n> is there a reason you're building gcc4 only?
[06:26:09] <the_ringmaster> just to see if I can even do it
[06:26:11] <l_n> (since gcc2hybrid is the official recommendation and preferred method)
[06:26:32] <the_ringmaster> once I successfully build it, I've move to userbuildconfig
[06:27:03] <l_n> okay.. i would recommend the hybrid for compatibility reasons (older beos apps need the gcc2 libs IIRC)
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[06:27:29] <the_ringmaster> are there building issues with gcc4 or something?
[06:27:37] <l_n> so, mkdir -p /path/to/src/tree/generated.x86gcc{2,4}
[06:27:47] <the_ringmaster> I have cdrkit installed, so I know it can make an iso image
[06:28:12] <l_n> the_ringmaster: beos never made it past gcc2, so anything built for beos r5 or zeta won't run on haiku if you don't use a gcc2hybrid.
[06:28:26] <the_ringmaster> I never said I was going to run legacy apps
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[06:28:54] <largo> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5562  updated with syslog etc.
[06:29:10] <the_ringmaster> l_n: what does that command do, and is it in the documentation
[06:29:15] <mmadia> the_ringmaster : what revision are you trying to build  and from what os?
[06:29:23] <the_ringmaster> hi mmadia
[06:29:23] <MyChemicalSweatp> hey is haiku installable on recent AMD hardware or am i going to have to build an intel box
[06:29:36] <jmayfield_> uh..
[06:30:07] <the_ringmaster> I'm building whever it was this morning
[06:30:10] <l_n> the_ringmaster: yes.. http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid
[06:30:12] <the_ringmaster> can't seem to find the number
[06:30:31] <l_n> the mkdir -p simply creates every dir in the path argument until it gets to the end
[06:30:50] <mmadia> you can do `cd <into haiku source> ; svn info `
[06:30:51] <l_n> the {2,4} makes two separate dirs
[06:31:06] <CIA-50> augiedoggie * r637 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/global/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update global to 5.8.1
[06:31:18] <the_ringmaster> 35818
[06:31:23] <the_ringmaster> it tells me
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[06:33:49] <the_ringmaster> i'll read more and try again tomorrow
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[06:38:51] <l_n> meh.. ich brauche schlafen. gn8
[06:39:01] <largo> gutenacht
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[06:51:39] <CIA-50> scottmc * r638 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/mercurial/ (mercurial-1.5.bep mercurial.OptionalPackageDescription): Initial .bep file for mercurial-1.5
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[07:28:06] <CIA-50> scottmc * r639 /haikuports/trunk/sys-devel/flex/flex-2.5.35.bep: Fixed the multiple src_uri so that it actually works now.
[07:30:34] <CIA-50> augiedoggie * r640 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter: Change the way that the DESTDIR gets passed to the spawned shell.
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[08:50:58] <MattLacey> anybody know much about the layout manageR?
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[11:43:20] <smooki> what netbook would be running haiku well please ?
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