[00:02:17] <philk_> is there a way to add a file comment defined in the templates to all files of a project?
[00:05:27] <rcjsuen> not really, anyone can make their own file wiz
[00:05:35] <rcjsuen> and the standard one doesn't enforce templates
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[00:20:37] <philk_> rcjsuen: i mean as a kind of manual source format action
[00:22:50] <philk_> rcjsuen: like "generate file comment"
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[00:27:48] <deSilva> hmm, I used something to add license information at the top of all the files in an existing project
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[00:32:51] <philk_> deSilva: i think you mean the "fix copyright" tool... it only works on team shared resources
[00:37:30] <philk_> where can I find a tutorial on API tooling support?
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[02:18:49] <genus> I'm using Eclipse for Ubuntu, how do I compile my code?
[02:19:10] <genus> in the windows version, there's an option right on the console, but here I don't see anything
[02:19:49] <deSilva> project->build ?
[02:20:00] <genus> that's greyed out
[02:20:16] <deSilva> is a project selected?
[02:20:57] <genus> yes, but I just noticed, there's an option to select 'builders' with nothing entered
[02:21:10] <genus> (under properties)
[02:21:30] <deSilva> do you even have the gnu build toolchain installed?
[02:21:40] <genus> yes
[02:22:05] <deSilva> we're talking about CDT, right?
[02:22:23] <genus> I don't know
[02:22:29] <rcjsuen> genus: well, you're doing C/C++, right
[02:22:33] <genus> C++, yes
[02:22:37] <deSilva> CDT then
[02:22:58] <deSilva> I just tried CDT under ubuntu, I didn't see the problems you describe
[02:23:17] <deSilva> but the way you explained makes me think anything could be wrong
[02:23:24] <deSilva> explained it*
[02:23:55] <genus> maybe a reinstall will work
[02:24:27] <deSilva> are you using a packaged version?
[02:24:49] <genus> yes
[02:24:55] <deSilva> if you are, just download an official release and forget about the packaged one
[02:25:25] <deSilva> ubuntu packaing system and eclipse are like oil and water
[02:25:30] <deSilva> they don't mix
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[02:34:56] <genus> so I should have an option to build and run my code?
[02:35:27] <rcjsuen> well, if build automatically isn't turned on, then yes
[02:35:39] <deSilva> if a project has been selected, project->build should be available, yes
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[02:43:43] <genus> is that a known bug with the ubuntu eclipse package?
[02:46:39] <rcjsuen> That your menu item is disabled? You'd have to ask them.
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[02:56:16] <genus> I'm downloading eclipse
[02:56:23] <genus> where should I extract it for ubuntu?
[02:56:41] <philk_> git checkout and eclipse workspaces do not get along very well
[02:58:04] <genus> like can I just dump this anywhere
[03:03:05] <d_a_carver> genus: I typically extract it to my home directory and run from there.
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[03:13:45] <genus> ok, that worked
[03:13:47] <genus> thanks
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[03:15:55] <stevenjaycohen> anyone have experience with subversive?
[03:17:12] <stevenjaycohen> If I mark a folder in a project as svn:ignore and someone else does not. I will not be posting my changes to the repository while my friend will, right?
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[03:20:18] <rcjsuen> well, if your peer commits the file
[03:20:27] <rcjsuen> just because a file isn't marked svn:ignore doesn't mean it'll magically papear in the repo
[03:21:52] <stevenjaycohen> rcjsuen: Yes, I get that. If he is commiting changes and my changes are within a folder that I have marked svn:ignore then my changes will not even show up, right? And, my marking of that folder svn:ignore is a local setting and does not afect other people?
[03:22:11] <rcjsuen> Couldn't say myself. You could try asking in the subversion channel.
[03:22:46] <mwalling> svn:ignore is a property on the folder you set it in
[03:22:47] <stevenjaycohen> :) I tried, no one is answering, so since I was using subvesive in eclipse, thought I would ask here
[03:23:29] <stevenjaycohen> mwalling: so, that does imply that it only affects my local set and is not "sent" to svn when I commit other stuff?
[03:23:43] <mwalling> if you do "svn pe svn:ignore .", the ignore property will become a version controlled property of my '.' folder
[03:23:45] * stevenjaycohen is sorry for seeming dense
[03:24:06] <philk_> rcjsuen: how do I best run a long running operation in the workbench? One that shows a busy cursor during the operation
[03:24:38] <rcjsuen> philk_: wouldn't you usually use a job
[03:24:54] <stevenjaycohen> mwalling: so, by default that is not version controlled, got it
[03:25:01] <mwalling> no, it is
[03:25:18] <philk_> rcjsuen: it would be a synched operation. Its run in a commandhandler and after the operation is finished a dialog box will be displayed
[03:25:25] <stevenjaycohen> :/
[03:25:34] <rcjsuen> philk_: well you could use a PMD
[03:25:40] <rcjsuen> philk_: or use the IWW as an IRunnableContext
[03:26:12] <mwalling> stevenjaycohen: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/svn.advanced.props.special.ignore.html
[03:26:19] <mwalling> stevenjaycohen: then go back to chapter 1
[03:26:20] <stevenjaycohen> mwalling: thaks
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[03:29:52] <philk_> rcjsuen: IWW seems good. Or maybe use the IProgressService.busyCursorWhile()
[03:30:47] <rcjsuen> yeah that's another simple way
[03:30:55] <rcjsuen> i guess it prob just delegates to BUsyIndicator or whatever
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[04:23:52] <sproaty> in eclipse 2.1 style can you enable middle mouse closes a tab?
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[04:35:18] <hporse> hi. i just wrote a program in java using eclipse
[04:35:29] <hporse> something is really slowing down my program
[04:35:53] <hporse> can you guys tell me how i can get a function count functionality in eclipse
[04:36:01] <hporse> ?
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[04:36:23] <hporse> by which i mean: i want that eclipse counts for every function in my program how often it is called.
[04:36:30] <hporse> is that possible and if yes, how?
[04:40:52] <pnehrer> did you try tptp?
[04:42:23] <pnehrer> http://www.eclipse.org/tptp/
[04:46:32] <hporse> no, i didn't
[04:46:40] <hporse> ...but it looks promising
[04:46:45] <hporse> thanks for the hint
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[04:53:12] <genus> "launch failed. binary not found"
[04:53:20] <genus> why am I getting that message?
[04:54:44] <genus> it's during compilation for a simple "hello world" test script
[04:54:50] <genus> which I know is right
[04:55:29] <genus> and it builds fine
[05:00:58] <hporse> ok, i got TPTP installed
[05:01:10] <hporse> but it doesn't look proper on my computer
[05:01:15] <hporse> http://www.vogella.de/articles/EclipseTPTP/images/profile30.gif
[05:01:28] <hporse> i can't seem to get the "Execution Statistics" Window open
[05:01:50] <hporse> according to the tutorial it should pop up by itself
[05:02:30] <genus> also, using ubuntu
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[05:16:14] <hporse> pnehrer: yeah, thanks pnehrer for the advice
[05:16:35] <hporse> tptp might be very powerfull
[05:16:42] <hporse> but i am too stupid to use it
[05:16:53] <hporse> which means it is completely useless to me
[05:17:03] <hporse> (apart from any potential it might have)
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[05:33:17] <SixEcho> is there a plugin to route me to the closest update servers? i'm getting 9k/sec installing plugins/etc?  :(
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[06:33:56] <manster> hey guys
[06:34:37] <manster> i'w working with google web toolkit and debugging mode refuses to work. i'm running the latest jdk for ubuntu 9.10 64bit
[06:35:14] <manster> when i open the degug perspective nothing happens and eclipse just ignores my brk pts
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[09:28:28] <manster> hey guys so i run ubuntu 64 bit and was wondering whether it would be better to go for eclipse 32 bit and also 32bit java packages
[09:28:37] <manster> or if it is safe to go all out 64 bit
[09:31:25] <roots_> 64 bit works fine even on mac
[09:33:53] <francis4> i use 64 on ubuntu and it's fine
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[09:40:36] <manster> okay
[09:41:07] <manster> francis4, my buttons arent working looks like a bug. wasnt sure if it was worth fixing just to find 10 more
[09:41:34] <francis4> manster: you must be on karmic, it's a known issue, there is some environment variable to set
[09:41:53] <manster> yes
[09:42:04] <manster> francis4, i'm running karmic
[09:42:07] <francis4> http://blog.export.be/2009/10/fixing-eclipse-for-ubuntu-karmic-koala-9-10/
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[10:43:11] <frepe> Is it possible to have eclipse run "make install" and not just "make all" when I click the hammer?
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[10:46:42] <Level1> Hello, when I started eclipse a moment ago and loaded a project that I have been working on, it flagged every Java API class (such as String, Comparable, ArrayList) as an error
[10:47:40] <roots_> clean the projects, if that dont work, i switch to another jdk level and then back to the one i want, which usually fixes things
[10:48:30] <Level1> roots_, thanks I turns out I just have to "fix project setup".  Quick fix is so useful
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[11:01:25] <philk__> which version exports 'org.eclipse.core.runtime.preferences 3.3.0' ?
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[11:42:37] <francis4> philk__: probably 3.3, you would have to check a kit to be sure
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[11:45:29] <philk__> francis4: myEclipse 8.0 does not know the package version
[11:46:07] <francis4> philk__: what do you mean "package version"?  The Eclipse release version?
[11:46:29] <francis4> philk__: each of the plugins have independent version numbers which don't necessarily correspond to the enclosing main Eclipse release
[11:46:34] <philk__> francis4: no, I am importing packages in bundles and they are versioned
[11:47:21] <francis4> philk__: well then 3.3.0 is the version you want for that plugin if that's what you are after, or maybe i'm still not following
[11:47:50] <francis4> 3.3.0 is the version number
[11:48:55] <philk__> I am using Import-Package
[11:49:18] <philk__> and no plugin in MyEclipse 8.0 (Eclipse 3.5) exports such package with this version
[11:49:58] <philk__> I will set MyEclipse as my target and see what it exports
[11:51:00] <francis4> /d/eclipse/eclOsdtDeploy35/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.preferences_3.2.300.v20090520-1800.jar
[11:51:07] <francis4> that's the plugin you want for 3.5
[11:51:36] <francis4> philk__:
[11:53:25] <francis4> philk__: though if you are using the osgi import-package, then you don't need to specifyh the plugin at all (nor version), it will just find one.  But are you concerned about making sure the right plugin is in your distribution then?
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[11:55:05] <philk__> francis4: you can specify the package version. Thats good OSGi behaviour. Has nothing to do with bundle version though
[11:55:48] <francis4> philk__: I don't understand how the package is versioned then?  The only osgi version that I know is the bundle version.
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[12:04:26] <philk__> francis4: no, read up about versioning packages. You can (should) put a version on every package that you export.
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[12:06:57] <francis4> philk__: ahh yes, i see, you do it on the export-package.  Eclipse does not consistently do that, but the particular package you wnat  is version 3.2.0
[12:07:02] <francis4> org.eclipse.core.runtime.preferences;versio
[12:07:02] <francis4>  n="3.2.0"
[12:07:25] <francis4> that's from the manifest of the org.eclipse.equinox.preferences
[12:07:28] <francis4> philk__:
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[12:19:56] <philk__> francis4: yes, thanks... which eclipse version are you running
[12:20:34] <francis4> philk__: 3.5.1
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[13:12:01] <philk__> francis4: thanks! helped a lot. I will adjust the imports
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[13:25:10] <mefiX> hey guys, there'a value in configuration (help->about->installation details->configuration) i'd like to access as a variable in an ant script. is that possible? (value: com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.sdk)
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[13:27:52] <rcjsuen> genus: Well, does the binary actually physically exist on disk?
[13:27:52] <archtech> I keep disabling folding and it's enabled on every new file I open it.
[13:27:57] <archtech> Halp... please.. god..
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[13:29:37] <rcjsuen> archtech: Works for me in Java. No comment.
[13:30:13] <archtech> Oh well, I figured it. There are three places where it can be turned off, and I kept hitting the wrong two places..
[13:30:36] <archtech> By the way, I need to share workspace among Eclipse 3.3 and 3.5
[13:30:55] <archtech> Is there a smarter way to share projects beside literally keeping the same workspace for both
[13:31:04] <archtech> some settings don't translate which results in hilarious errors
[13:31:10] <archtech> missing perspectives, you know..
[13:31:46] <hvrauhal> Hello all, could somebody help me with a layout problem?
[13:32:29] <rcjsuen> hvrauhal: Don't ask for help, ask the question.
[13:34:32] <hvrauhal> I've got an editor with a ManagedForm, using GridLayout. Inside the form I've got sections, both with GridData(SWT.FILL_BOTH), and inside one of the sections a Composite created with toolkit.createComposite. The composite uses FillLayout.
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[13:36:37] <hvrauhal> Inside that composite I put a TableViewer, which fills the editor window and it's own Section nicely, and gets a scrollbar when it has too many rows for the window. However, after is collapsed and expanded, the table grows to fit all the rows, resizing the form.
[13:37:28] <hvrauhal> I can't figure out how to tell the table (or the composite that contains it inside the section) to not expand outside of the editor window.
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[13:37:59] <hvrauhal> rcjsuen: just thought if this is the right place for layout questions, but I'll just assume so.
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[13:42:43] <hvrauhal> The MasterDetailsPage example from http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Forms/article.html does this with the "Model Objects" section, but it's not a Twistie, so it does not get laid out again with the table contents.
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[13:51:25] <rcjsuen> hvrauhal: May be worth to try asking the form to reflow.
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[13:56:38] <hvrauhal> rcjsuen: I tried that, but it still reflows so that the table does not have a scrollbar and the form does.
[13:57:10] <hvrauhal> I tried the making the "Model Objects" sample a twistie, and it works fine. I just don't see what's the difference..
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[14:11:52] <tazle_> which version of Eclipse do I need for SVN 1.6?
[14:13:00] <tazle_> hm, apparently 3.2+, but I need to change the URL in Eclipse
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[14:43:32] <alfatau> hello, i've a problem: some time ago i used an eclipse 3.4 feature to simply automatically create junit test classes by right-clicking on a java file and then select the generation feature. now it is disappeared and i'm unable to restore it. can you help me? thank you
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[14:44:45] <rcjsuen> I wasn't aware such a feature ever existed in JDT.
[14:44:52] <dfoo> I have a 64 bit linux install. When I install eclipse plugins they don't seem to be activated...
[14:45:03] <dfoo> is there something special I need to do?
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[14:45:46] <alfatau> rcjsuen: really, i'm using oaw 4.3 which is based on eclipse 3.4
[14:45:58] <rcjsuen> Well, it may be provided by this oaw thing I suppose.
[14:46:01] <rcjsuen> But I could be wrong.
[14:47:30] <dfoo> for example, I installed m2eclipse and it doesn't show up in my preferences panel
[14:49:11] <alfatau> rcjsuen: ok, thank you
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[15:04:36] <Norm> if i'm editting an XML file, i can "open with" a text editor (no XML intelligence) or the XML Editor, which is the graphical tree-view
[15:04:46] <Norm> isn't there a text editor that provides autocomplete, etc, for XML?
[15:09:11] <rcjsuen> Norm: Doesn' the XML editor have two tabs? (hint, look at the bottom)
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[15:09:36] <Norm> rcjsuen: whoa
[15:09:41] <Norm> thanks :)
[15:09:44] <rcjsuen> okilydokily
[15:09:48] <rcjsuen> simpel question, simple answer ;)
[15:09:56] <Norm> the best kind
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[18:27:53] <{[_TPI_]}_Alex> hi to everyone
[18:28:34] <{[_TPI_]}_Alex> i have installed Flex builder plug-in under OSX, but when i try to open it through eclipse i have the following error
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[18:29:14] <{[_TPI_]}_Alex> Problems opening perspective "com.adobe.flexbuilder.editors.mxml.ui.perspectives.development
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[18:29:37] <{[_TPI_]}_Alex> any idea of what causing this problem ?
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[18:29:57] <rcjsuen> {[_TPI_]}_Alex: check your ~logs I guess and take it up with Adobe
[18:29:57] <Arbalest> Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Configuration Details > View Error Log. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
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[18:36:08] <{[_TPI_]}_Alex> Arbalest, here is the whole error_log: http://pastebin.com/m4e38c5bb
[18:36:22] <{[_TPI_]}_Alex> i have tried to create a new workspace, but no luck
[18:38:07] <{[_TPI_]}_Alex> i have tried to remove the whole Adobe Flex Builder folder as well as the Eclipse folder from the "Application" directory, but re-installing it did not solve the problem
[18:38:38] <mefiX> how can i navigate within a path-variable in an ant-script?
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[18:39:27] <mefiX> lets say we have ${path1}="/some/nice/path/" and i want "/some", is that possible?
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[20:14:24] <gaah> Is there any way to make eclipse refresh files on compilation? I tried the "refresh automatically" setting but it doesnt really work all the time.
[20:17:35] <nitind> gaah: what do *you* mean by "refresh files on compilation"?
[20:19:18] <gaah> files that was modified externally
[20:20:19] <gaah> i want eclipse to rebuild them automatically
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[20:23:23] <paulweb515> gaah: refresh automatically preference is your best bet ... but it depends on periodically scanning the files system files in your workspace to update
[20:23:51] <nitind> gaah: Are they in the workspace or linked into it?
[20:24:20] <gaah> nitind: yes it is (only one file)
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[20:27:08] <gaah> guess I will have to live with the automatic refresh failing to refresh in time every now and then
[20:27:53] <gaah> paulweb515/nitind: thanks
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[21:29:49] <mikl0> Hello, general question about eclipse, if I want to java ee as well as c/c++ as well as php do i really download all the different IDE's? just asking for my personal understanding of eclipse.
[21:30:45] <rcjsuen> get one the provision the others with the provisioning system
[21:35:25] <mikl0> rcjsuen, excellent i was hoping for something along those lines.  thank you good day.
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[21:39:43] <error4o4> after upgrade to Galileo, when trying to open a project properties page of projects made in ganymed i get an error..    like   c/c++ build >> Envoirement          error:  "The current displayed page contains invalid values"     any idea?
[21:40:08] <nitind> Is it not indicating which values it considers invalid?
[21:40:45] <error4o4> error log says:  Problems occurred when invoking code from plug-in: "org.eclipse.jface".
[21:40:57] <nitind> error4o4: No, I mean the page itself.
[21:41:15] <error4o4> nitind: not realy
[21:41:33] <rcjsuen> sounds more like an internal exception occurred while rendering the ppg
[21:41:34] <error4o4> nitind:  just: java.lang.NullPointerException
[21:41:47] <rcjsuen> yes, that would be an internal err
[21:42:13] <error4o4> rcjsuen: anything i can do about that?
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[21:43:01] <rcjsuen> Usually not. You would have to check bugzilla I guess.
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[21:43:35] <RenatoSilva> hi all. What's the shortcut for opening that view which allows to search for a class
[21:44:09] <RenatoSilva> e.g. you have many classes in the project, you type something to activate that view, type part of class name, click, and go to its source code
[21:44:20] <RenatoSilva> can't remember the shortcut
[21:45:18] <charley> Do you mean the open type dialog? ctrl-shift-T? or use ctrl-shift-L to see the list of shortcuts
[21:45:20] <rcjsuen> Ctrl+Shift+T
[21:45:31] <charley> ninja'd? :)
[21:46:38] <RenatoSilva> yes c+s+t. I've just found it before reading your answers! but thanks anyway!
[21:46:57] <RenatoSilva> rcjsuen: Dani and me are understanding each other better now
[21:47:18] <RenatoSilva> charley: c+s+L? great!
[21:47:51] <RenatoSilva> kids should learn eclipse shortcuts in school
[21:47:59] <rcjsuen> RenatoSilva: Yes, I'm CC'd on the bug.
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[21:48:37] <RenatoSilva> rcjsuen: I can't believe you read som many bugs you're cc'd on
[21:48:48] <RenatoSilva> s/som/so
[21:49:50] <rcjsuen> Where there is a will, there is a way.
[21:51:48] <RenatoSilva> rcjsuen: there's a nice idea about encodings, did you see? e.g you try to save text with chars not supported in latin1, then you could open a compare/search view to investingate the bad chars
[21:51:58] <rcjsuen> That sounds vaguely familiar.
[21:52:04] <RenatoSilva> that's another bug though
[21:52:52] <RenatoSilva> I said there that compare may be non-sense, I'd rather use a search view
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[22:00:15] <Primer> Using eclipse 3.5.0 on Linux x86_64, eclipse is 64 bit...run->debug->pick an existing debug configuration...I have to do this 3 times before it ever connects to (in this case) tomcat and shows me a list of running threads
[22:00:22] <Primer> Does anyone know what's up with that?
[22:00:57] <Primer> The progress shows "Launching name_of_debug_configuration..."
[22:01:00] <Primer> then just goes away
[22:01:17] <Primer> and on the third try, it always works
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[22:52:29] <synic> so, I installed egit, but the git option isn't showing up when I go to File->import
[22:52:53] <synic> I just barely downloaded a fresh copy of eclipse, so it's the latest version.  What am I doing wrong?
[22:53:13] <nitind> synic: Is it supposed to be there?
[22:53:35] <synic> yeah
[22:53:46] <synic> in fact, it seems the android ADT plugin isn't working either
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[22:55:56] <fission6> whats the easiest way to edit json in eclipse?
[22:57:29] <RenatoSilva> thanks all
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[23:20:40] <mikl0> rcjsuen, where is the provisioning system?
[23:20:52] <rcjsuen> under the help menu
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[23:22:58] <mikl0> rcjsuen, thanks yet again.
[23:22:58] <l2trace99> can someone point me to a document that shows how to troubleshoot project importing ?
[23:23:23] <rcjsuen> l2trace99: Don't think there's such a thing.
[23:24:15] <l2trace99> it is a valid project but I can't figure out why I can't import into eclipse 3.5.1
[23:24:23] <l2trace99> It just doesn't import
[23:24:27] <l2trace99> no errors
[23:24:55] <l2trace99> I copied over the developer's eclipse and  it imports no problem
[23:25:14] <l2trace99> but he had 3.4.somthing
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[23:27:05] <fission6> when i run on command line for json.__file__ i get /usr/lib/python2.6/json/__init__.pyc when i run from within eclipse i get json.__file__ to print /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/json.pyc what does this mean and how do i get eclipse to have the same thing has running from command line
[23:27:33] <Tobarja> i've installed a few plugins that show up as installed, but don't appear as options. subclipse showed up once and allowed me to create a project from a repo, but now it's gone and i can't do that again. the android sdk also doesn't seem to be completely active as i can't choose it as the environment of a new project. any ideas?
[23:28:09] <khamer> Is it possible to get a 'detached' editor?
[23:28:12] <rcjsuen> l2trace99: I think you'll probably have to provide more information if anyone's going to be able to help.
[23:28:30] <l2trace99> i don't even know where to start
[23:28:36] <l2trace99> I figure I am missing something
[23:29:27] <rcjsuen> l2trace99: well, you could describe the setup like OS, what kinda projects you're importing, what import wizard you're using (there are several), are you importing a zip/tar file or a folder, if your coworker tried 3.5.1, etc etc
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[23:29:47] <l2trace99> it is a seam project
[23:29:50] <khamer> I'd really like to run eclipse so its interface is 'Gimp' like-- editor is separate from all the toolbars, etc.
[23:30:12] <khamer> and the toolbars I can position relative to each other; tab groups, etc.
[23:30:23] <khamer> all I really need is for the editor to behave like every other view
[23:30:40] <rcjsuen> you can't detach the editor
[23:30:55] <rcjsuen> at least, the default presentation doesn't let you do that anyway, i don't know about custom-built ones
[23:31:02] <l2trace99> it was built originally on linux with the seam-gen tool
[23:31:21] <mikl0> rcjsuen, so in my eclipse for java ee i will use http://downloads.zend.com/pdt to get php development tools when i use it as a source to add new software?
[23:31:36] <rcjsuen> mikl0: I don't do PHP, couldn't really say.
[23:32:01] <mikl0> rcjsuen, ok lets assume c/c++
[23:32:03] <khamer> rcjsuen: hm...
[23:32:41] <rcjsuen> mikl0: I don't do C/C++ either. In any case, you take a URL, feed it in, select what you want, next/finish, the end.
[23:33:11] <mikl0> rcjsuen, well thanks and sorry to ask so many questions... :) it didnt work for me on classic is the reason i am nit picking trying it again with java ee version then adding others into it ...
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[23:34:50] <rcjsuen> khamer: I guess detaching all the views isn't good enough for you.
[23:35:01] <rcjsuen> You could hide the toolbar...but I guess maybe you actually want the toolbar ;)
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[23:36:36] <khamer> rcjsuen: its just messy, because you lose being able to do anything but group them as tabs
[23:36:48] <rcjsuen> khamer: them = editors you mean?
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[23:37:06] <khamer> rcjsuen: no, all the other views
[23:37:19] <rcjsuen> Not sure I follow, detached windows can hold multiple views.
[23:37:38] <khamer> rcjsuen: they can't sit above/below each other and be grouped
[23:37:45] <rcjsuen> mikl0: Please describe your problem in more detail.
[23:37:49] <khamer> a detached window can only show one view at a t ime
[23:38:01] <rcjsuen> Okay, I see what you mean, that is correct. It is a single stack.
[23:38:52] <khamer> rcjsuen: so the 'GIMP' style would be acheivable if either the editor could be detached or the detached windows supported above/below positioning
[23:39:47] <mikl0> rcjsuen, I download eclipse 3.5.1 and use the url for pdt and had an option of installing version 1.2 or 1.5 i believe.... i know i chose 1.5 and it failed to install due to an issue of allowing only one Unicode something or other from IBM and what was already loaded i have jdk 1.6u18  i have removed that eclipse and currently have java ee version working fine and is currently download pdt for me using said method.
[23:40:02] <rcjsuen> mikl0: 1.5 is for 3.3 or something old like that
[23:40:51] <rcjsuen> I don't know what Zend hosts or what its requirements or dependencies are though.
[23:41:05] <rcjsuen> the ~pdt-install wiki page may be able to help if you're relying solely on eclipse.org content
[23:41:06] <Arbalest> Trying to install PDT? See http://wiki.eclipse.org/PDT/Installation
[23:41:08] <mikl0> rcjsuen, that was the only option provided for me when i used 3.5 do get pdt 1.5.
[23:41:14] <khamer> rcjsuen: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Improve_multi-monitor_support looks like a well thought analysis of the features that eclipse is apparently missing
[23:41:22] <rcjsuen> it should've offered you 2.1 i would thikn
[23:42:46] <rcjsuen> khamer: well, based on Eric's comment i doubt sash-based DWs are going to be attacked anytime soon unless someone wants to contribute patches
[23:44:16] <khamer> rcjsuen: agreed, I'm just surprised that there's no way to turn on detachable editors, as I would have expected that the editors were tied into the main window solely by convention
[23:44:38] <rcjsuen> age old problem that has never been solved i suppose
[23:45:56] <khamer> rcjsuen: they happen :)
[23:46:41] <khamer> rcjsuen: I wonder what the difficulty is, if it was as trivial as it looks from the outside I'm sure it'd be done
[23:46:56] <khamer> I bet there's context things between the editor and the menubar
[23:46:58] <khamer> ah well
[23:47:09] <khamer> rcjsuen: thanks, I'm headed out for now, take care
[23:47:22] <rcjsuen> well editors don't have its own toolbar
[23:47:28] <rcjsuen> (unlike views that have it docked on the tab folder)
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