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[00:42:31] <Tessien> hm. apparently there's an #eclipsecon somewhere... but not on freenode?
[00:44:40] <njbartlett> Really? Well one can always just create it
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[00:44:53] <rcjsuen> I know nitind was idling on it yesterday.
[00:47:00] <rcjsuen> If anyone has any ideas for GSOC 2008, please edit the page! http://wiki.eclipse.org/Google_Summer_of_Code_2008_Ideas
[00:47:33] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Are you still at EC or have you buggered off already?
[00:47:50] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: i buggered off on my 0620 flight
[00:48:12] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Wow. It's tough being a student these days.
[00:48:45] <rcjsuen> i got back home at around 1800 local time
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[00:56:34] <Tessien> njbartlett: I was browsing cote's Twitter feed and saw #eclipsecon. Looks like that was just intended as a trackable marker
[00:56:59] <njbartlett> Tessien: Oh right. Yeah there's this Twitter thing called Hashtags
[00:57:07] <njbartlett> Tessien: So, nothing to do with IRC
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[01:00:14] <Tessien> hashtags.org is full of sparklines!
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[03:42:08] <rahul_> hi! Is there an Eclipse project that provides a Workflow engine?
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[04:23:13] <KWhat4> is there a way to force eclipse to recompile a project as java6
[04:25:16] <rcjsuen> KWhat4: Change the compiler compliance level of the project.
[04:26:13] <KWhat4> rcjsuen: i did but for some reason eclipse cant seem to find me installed jdks
[04:26:26] <rcjsuen> Eclipse doesn't find JDKs / JREs.
[04:26:29] <rcjsuen> You need to add them yourself.
[04:30:33] <KWhat4> rcjsuen: i was expecting it to use the system vm setting but i dont think the gentoo guys patched that correctly
[04:31:06] <rcjsuen> Well, if you think something's wrong, file a bug to the Gentoo team.
[04:31:40] <rcjsuen> They won't know something's wrong if no one says something's wrong.
[04:31:53] <irbull> rcjsuen: Remy, congrats on top contributor
[04:32:02] <rcjsuen> irbull: Thank you, Ian!
[04:32:22] <irbull> are you back in the loo?
[04:32:36] <irbull> you mentioned your trip to eclipsecon was short
[04:32:38] <rcjsuen> irbull: Indeed.
[04:32:54] <rcjsuen> irbull: I got back to Waterloo at around 1800.
[04:32:55] <irbull> too bad.. but I guess it's midterm time
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[04:33:30] <irbull> what year are you in?
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[04:34:24] <rcjsuen> 3rd
[04:34:39] <KWhat4> Is there a way to have eclipse take a symlink for the JRE home directory and not resolve it ?
[04:35:17] <irbull> OS, concurrency... I remember those courses :)  CS370... that was the death of me :)
[04:35:28] <irbull> 4th year gets better
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[04:35:48] <rcjsuen> for better or worse, i don't take those since i'm in math
[04:36:05] <rcjsuen> but yes, my friends in SE do take those
[04:36:07] <irbull> oh, I thought you were doing a CS major
[04:36:26] <rcjsuen> irbull: I was doing an SE major till my grades took a dive without a parachute.
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[04:37:01] <irbull> ah... "back in my day" :)  CS was in the math department... and we didn't have SE... actually SE was just starting when I finished
[04:38:40] <rcjsuen> yeep
[04:38:55] <rcjsuen> It's been a lil' rough being guinea pigs.
[04:39:18] <irbull> KWhat4: it should resolve a symlink, I haven't had this problem before
[04:39:22] <rcjsuen> Hopefully they'll flesh out the program over the next few years. It's annoying since they need to fulfill accredation (sp) requirements for engineering and CS.
[04:40:08] <irbull> rcjsuen: yeah,  I was marking work term reports for first year SE students when I did my masters, the department seemed all over the place
[04:40:20] <rcjsuen> hehe
[04:40:21] <KWhat4> irbull: the resolution is the behavior i was trying to omit to i dont need to change the vm location each time i update java.
[04:40:28] <irbull> here are UVic they are trying to get accreditation, and it is the same
[04:40:58] <irbull> KWhat4: are you talking about the VM to run eclipse or the JDK you wish to use to develop java applications in eclipse?
[04:41:14] <rcjsuen> KWhat4: I just change that by hand, never really bothered me.
[04:41:20] <rcjsuen> Admittedly, I don't update Java very often.
[04:41:34] <rcjsuen> I figure "Well, there are bug fixes and all, but I can't imagine them being all _that_ important."
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[04:42:23] <irbull> now that debian has sun java packages, I find java gets updated on me without me knowing (or really paying attention).  I use symlinks for the JVM i use to run eclipse, and I often link to specific jdks for my development
[04:42:41] <KWhat4> irbull: the latter, not really that big a deal just a minor annoyance.
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[04:43:30] <rcjsuen> KWhat4: so what exactly is the problem, you're pointing it to /usr/lib/jvm/sun-jdk-1.6/ and it doesn't work?
[04:46:21] <KWhat4> rcjsuen: gentoo uses its own dirty method of slotting jvm's because it needs different version to compile different applications.  Anyway when it updates the system jvm it updates a symlink at /etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm that points somewhere like /opt/jvm-...  i was just wonder if it was possible to have /etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm as the jvm to use for development instead of the resolved symlink /etc/java-config-2/cur
[04:46:59] <KWhat4> sorry thats: /etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm -> /usr/lib/jvm/sun-jdk-1.6->/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.03
[04:47:04] <rcjsuen> well, i see /etc/java-config-2/ actually points to one of the things in /usr/lib/jvm/
[04:47:06] <rcjsuen> right
[04:47:36] <rcjsuen> so trying to add a jre in the preference page pointing at /etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm fails then?
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[04:48:58] <KWhat4> no it resolves to /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.03 , its just that if the jvm gets updated by the package manager say from 1.6.0.02 to 1.6.0.03 that location is now borked however the symlink will still be correct because the package manager is smart enough to update that.
[04:49:38] <rcjsuen> okay i see what you meant by "not resolve it"
[04:50:27] <irbull> I wonder (just speculating) if they do this on purpose... when a VM is added, eclipse probably looks to see what version it is (for launch purposes), and they don't want the VM changing from under them
[04:52:27] <KWhat4> more than likely you are correct.  It would suck to be developing a 1.4 application and have 1.6 dropped in on you
[04:52:41] <KWhat4> i guess i will just leave it
[04:52:46] <KWhat4> =)
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[04:55:56] <drizoh2008> hi, i'm running europa in ubuntu 7.10.  Is there a straight-forward way to get the internal browser working?  My Aptana plugin is choking everytime I need to access the internal browser features
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[04:57:16] <rcjsuen> drizoh2008: Where did you download Eclipse?
[04:57:31] <drizoh2008> from their main site
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[04:57:38] <drizoh2008> i think it was the classic version
[04:57:57] <rcjsuen> What exactly is happening
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[05:00:38] <drizoh2008> basically when aptana tries to loadits start page, a java exception is trown.
[05:00:50] <drizoh2008> hold on, i'll get the exact message
[05:02:10] <drizoh2008> "embedded browser not available"
[05:02:11] <drizoh2008> No more handles (java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-mozilla-gtk-3349 or swt-mozilla-gtk in swt.library.path, java.library.path or the jar file)
[05:02:12] <drizoh2008> org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: No more handles (java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-mozilla-gtk-3349 or swt-mozilla-gtk in swt.library.path, java.library.path or the jar file)
[05:03:02] <irbull> drizoh2008: did this happen before you installed Aptana, i.e. could you open the browser then?
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[05:13:44] <vipaca> Hi all I was wondering why if I added a new context type it does not resolve the files outline in the outline viewer?
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[06:05:16] <illbiteyou> why is there no output in windows ?
[06:05:39] <illbiteyou> when i have cout<<"blah"; it just terminates with no output at alll
[06:07:35] <illbiteyou> ugh i hate this open source way of support.. poor docs.. unhandled bugs. it's just marketing so they can sell out and go "enterprise"
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[06:45:53] <khussein> I am starting a new plugin project for Eclipse. Pls, tell me what you think http://www.khussein.net/articles/36-software-development/51-aspect-oriented-program-enhancement-using-eclipse.html
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[06:54:24] <atomis> is there a simple method of creating a new project dialogue that copies a project skeleton from template files? without using ANT.
[06:54:47] <atomis> it seems like something a lot of people would need to do.
[06:55:12] <atomis> i like ant, but it's xml hell in simple terms
[06:56:18] <atomis> and i don't mind building an xml template either but it's somewhat lacking, i'm not sure i can set defaults or get a drop down for common variables.
[07:03:01] <nickboldt> atomis: I think JET would work for that
[07:03:39] <atomis> java emitter templates?
[07:03:55] <nickboldt> yep. http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/m2t/?project=jet#jet
[07:04:29] <atomis> i just new there was something awesome
[07:04:32] <atomis> knew
[07:04:35] <nickboldt> Saw Paul do something very similar earlier today w/ a wizard to generate a .releng project for building a set of plugins/features
[07:04:53] <nickboldt> all from a handful of xml templates
[07:06:03] <atomis> nickboldt: i think it's worthwhile, consider how many applications use specific layouts
[07:06:19] <atomis> nickboldt anymore links?
[07:07:07] <nickboldt> atomis: everything's linked from there... there's a few sample intro tutorials
[07:07:34] <nickboldt> atomis: http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/M2T-JET
[07:11:27] <atomis> good. it's in the ganymede discovery site under models and model development. thanks for the heads nickboldt
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[07:11:30] <khussein> atomis: I am starting a new eclipse plugin that would also solve your problem in a different approach than JET. It isn't going to solve your problem NOW, but maybe in the future :). If you are curious here is a link http://www.khussein.net/articles/36-software-development/51-aspect-oriented-program-enhancement-using-eclipse.html
[07:11:32] <Kira> hmm
[07:11:51] <khussein> There was a previous research in an existing solution using aspectj
[07:11:55] <Kira> it looks like somebody forgot to update the birt 2.3 update descriptor or something.
[07:12:20] <atomis> khussein looking...
[07:13:37] <Kira> The BIRT 2.3 update is looking for javax.xml_1.3.4.v200712030721.jar whereas the only version that's left at the mirrors is javax.xml_1.3.4.v200801282000.jar.
[07:17:31] <nickboldt> Kira: open a bug against BIRT -- could be an actual problem, or a mirror synch delay
[07:17:40] <nickboldt> (or try another mirror)
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[07:28:47] <Kira> nickboldt: I have tried several mirrors in the past week already. So it's probably an actual problem. :P
[07:29:04] <nickboldt> Kira: then it deserves a bug :)
[07:29:43] <nickboldt> if you're pulling from BIRT, open in BIRT; if you're pulling from Ganymede Discovery site, open in Community > Cross-Project
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[10:06:23] <legendi|work> re
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[10:37:23] <_igel_> hi
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[10:39:49] <_igel_> is there a way to export / import several projects with dependecies and all there setting etc?
[10:42:58] <_igel_> I mean 'their settings'
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[10:49:08] <atomis> _igel_ what do you mean? there is an import export workspace under the file menu
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[11:01:07] <_igel_> atomis: yeah, probably I just have to try a little, thanks
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[11:10:18] <atomis> okay learning curve for JET is steep if you need to create wizards, theres no documentation, the second how to article completely glosses over the gui creation methods
[11:10:46] <atomis> since i don't come from a plugin developer background
[11:11:51] <atomis> i can get some the ibm examples working just fine, i guess the gui stuff i need to get from pde articles
[11:12:20] <atomis> bleh, im going to bed.
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[11:32:45] <boohoo> I'm using CDT 4.0.3, for some the code completion doesn't work at all
[11:32:52] <boohoo> some reason*
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[11:37:23] <lugzer> hi
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[11:51:08] <stou> hello
[11:52:15] <stou> I want to perform an action on selected text (from a plugin) on multiple editors, like java, text, C++, etc.  Is there a way to specify multiple or wildcard targetID for the org.eclipse.ui.popupMenus action?
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[12:16:44] <E_mE> when is the following bug going to be resolved? When you perform undo, the cursor appears to jump to another random location above the current location
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[12:17:31] <legendi|work> which eclipse version? which editor?
[12:17:37] <E_mE> eclipse PDT
[12:17:55] <E_mE> Version: 3.3.1.1
[12:17:55] <E_mE> Build id: M20071023-1652
[12:19:25] <legendi|work> try searching the eclipse bugzilla, I'm sure someone has already reported this bug, it could be a common problem
[12:19:54] <legendi|work> ~tell E_mE about buzilla
[12:20:00] <legendi|work> ~tell E_mE about bugzilla
[12:20:01] <KOS-MOS> E_mE: Eclipse Bugzilla - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/
[12:21:19] <E_mE> thank you :)
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[12:21:41] <E_mE> its a common problem yes :D its happened everywhere ive used eclipse
[12:22:11] <benny`work> stou, did you read the extension point spec? maybe * works
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[12:33:35] <stou> benny`work, the docs on popupMenus give a simple example and it appears not every editor has a predefined targetID
[12:35:21] <stou> hmmm it seems that I can use an object contribution
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[12:36:19] <piXelshooter> hi
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[13:01:13] <opuk> does anyone know how to solve this? http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=183950
[13:03:17] <legendi|work> opuk: if you find any solution for that, I'd also be intrested, one of our users has reported some errors like this, but we hadn't got any clue
[13:04:03] <benny`work> opuk, don't use gcj
[13:04:06] <benny`work> ~gcj
[13:04:06] <KOS-MOS> GCJ is not officially supported by Eclipse as a Java runtime environment. Please talk with your distribution's packaging team and/or the GCJ team for assistance. To run Eclipse with a different JVM, see: http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I_just_installed_Eclipse_on_Linux.2C_but_it_does_not_start._What_is_the_problem.3F
[13:04:11] <legendi|work> his Eclipse was working for several weeks and it went down afterwards, so I guess there was an update that caused this error
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[13:05:36] <opuk> it worked just fine with gcj but then the user installed tomcat-thingys, then all went to hell
[13:06:14] <benny`work> opuk, gcj is not officially supported and i think there is also no manpower to track problems with gcj
[13:06:30] <opuk> k
[13:06:38] <benny`work> opuk, btw: Caused by: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
[13:06:54] <opuk> so... one should use suns jre instead?
[13:07:05] <opuk> hmm, that's weird
[13:10:39] <opuk> there is quite enough of ram free
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[13:29:45] <ilon_> where does eclipse print its error-log as of default?
[13:32:35] <Pookzilla> ilon_: it should be in your workspace/.metadata directory
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[13:32:39] <Pookzilla> in a file called .log
[13:34:03] <ilon_> okey, thanks :)
[13:34:08] <Pookzilla> np
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[13:35:05] <ilon_> *sighs
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[13:36:43] <ilon_> is this a external plugin or a part of eclipse? http://pastebin.com/f330d0731
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[13:39:32] <benny`work> ilon_, eclipse.org/webtools
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[13:40:15] <ALVAN> hi all
[13:40:40] <ALVAN> what i need for phpeclipse to work with cvs
[13:40:43] <ALVAN> on my server
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[13:40:50] <ALVAN> a cvs daemon or webdav
[13:40:51] <ALVAN> ?
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[13:44:38] <patrin70> Hi all
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[13:45:19] <patrin70> I'm trying to use the FilteredResourcesSelectionDialog to select projects with a given nature
[13:46:11] <patrin70> I was able to do the job extending the FilteredResourcesSelectionDialog class and overriding the ResourceFilter
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[13:47:23] <patrin70> what I still miss is how to populate the list with initial values (e.g. all the projects tith the given nature available in the workspace)
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[13:48:24] <patrin70> I'm only able to do this setting a ? wildcard as the value of the initial pattern
[13:49:08] <patrin70> is there some other way to do this without pre-populating the filter texbox with a wildcard ?
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[14:03:20] <opuk> benny`work: you still there?
[14:03:37] <benny`work> opuk, yep
[14:03:48] <opuk> tried with suns jdk
[14:03:51] <opuk> got this http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=982172#post982172
[14:04:44] <dracz> hi. I would need to attach sources to a certain plugin (org.apache.batik.css in this case). It is in the plugin dependencies of my IDE, so i can't modify source attachments.
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[14:04:57] <benny`work> opuk, Product org.fedoraproject.ide.platform.product could not be found.  what's that?
[14:05:28] <dracz> is there a solution to this? the plugin is provided by eclipse.org. Is there maybe a distribution of Eclipse with all the sources contained?
[14:06:42] <opuk> hmm, eclipse-platform I think
[14:07:34] <opuk> which is installed
[14:08:16] <paulweb515__> dracz: usually there are either 2 downloads (like platform runtime and platform SDK, where SDK includes the source) or 2 features (like RCP and RCP SDK)
[14:09:01] <paulweb515__> dracz: can you use CTRL+SHIFT+T to see the source (it's just unmodifiable)?
[14:09:35] <dracz> paulweb: no, it is "source not found"
[14:10:06] <dracz> i do have the source to all the org.eclipse.* stuff
[14:10:29] <dracz> since i do have the SDK version installed
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[14:11:20] <paulweb515__> dracz: you need to find the SDK version or source plugins from where you downloaded org.apache.batick.css
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[14:13:36] <dracz> that was somewhere from the eclipse europa discovery site
[14:13:49] <dracz> WST (web standard toolkit) i believe
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[14:21:59] <dracz> is there a way to see which feature contains a certain plug in?
[14:22:12] <amitev> yes
[14:22:15] <amitev> plugin spy
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[14:23:17] <paulweb515__> dracz: not easily, no
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[14:29:00] <dracz> grep -r pluginname features/ does the job for me
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[14:42:42] <masak> hello from the Bioclipse team. we're importing two classes with "restricted access" to pull off a trick with creating views without file resources
[14:42:57] <masak> we like the trick but are troubled by the "restricted access" thing
[14:43:04] <masak> any tips/suggestions?
[14:43:34] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: Hi Neil, if I want to forward you my resume, should I just use your gmail account?
[14:43:48] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Hi, yeah that would be fine
[14:43:59] <njbartlett> I'll just show it to them next week if that's okay?
[14:44:36] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: yeah, don't worry about it, I appreciate you helping out :)
[14:45:06] <amitev> rcjsuen: joining the eclipse guys?
[14:45:32] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: No problem. We need people like you. Although you might not like it all that much... IRC is blocked!
[14:45:36] <rcjsuen> amitev: Actually Neil doesn't work for the Eclipse guys...at least, I don't think so ;)
[14:45:44] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: oh right, you got caught right
[14:46:09] <rcjsuen> amitev: just trying to find jobs outside of Canada, Europe / USA
[14:46:32] <rcjsuen> Japan would be cool, but there's that "language barrier" even though I guess I can barely speak enough to get directions and the like.
[14:46:49] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Hehe. I need to set up some kind of web gateway, so I can use IRC but it just looks like ordinary web traffic...
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[14:46:56] <rcjsuen> hehe
[14:47:33] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Hmm. Did you try contacting the NEC guys? They're doing quite a bit with RCP. Ian knows them
[14:48:01] <rcjsuen> Nope, I have seen that name come up on Eclipse-related web links once in a while.
[14:48:24] <rcjsuen> I will send an emai lto Ian later, thx for the tip.
[14:48:25] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Also theres a small group from Hitachi hanging around, I've been meaning to go up to one of them and practice my ???
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[14:48:44] <rcjsuen> amitev: I'll probably settle in Canada in the end (I guess?), but figured I'd travel s'more if possible while I'm sitll a student.
[14:49:09] <rcjsuen> XChat actually rendered that properly.
[14:49:10] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Absolutely. Trust me, it gets a whole lot harder when you've got a wife and kids in tow
[14:49:36] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: I've signed up for japaanese 201 next term, but hey if i get to go to Japan next term, same thing, right? ;)
[14:50:16] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Yeah there's nothing like being thrown in the deep end. Far better than some class
[14:50:36] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Anyway I've got to go. I have a meeting with BJ and Jeff at 8
[14:50:45] <jpospychala> rcjsuen: my congratulations for top contributor award!
[14:50:55] <jpospychala> youre still at eclipsecon?
[14:50:57] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: And I'm staying at the cheapo hotel 20 mins walk away ;-)
[14:51:08] <rcjsuen> jpospychala: thank you Jacek
[14:51:18] <rcjsuen> jpospychala: Nope, I flew out on Tuesday morning, got back home at around 1800.
[14:51:22] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: k, ttyl
[14:51:31] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Congratulations from me also, you deserve it
[14:51:36] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: thx
[14:51:42] <njbartlett> The award, that is
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[14:52:37] <njbartlett> later, duds
[14:52:41] <rcjsuen> bye
[14:53:08] <jpospychala> rcjsuen: and i've got some questions about gsoc but will go to soc channel :P
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[14:55:32] <cvw> Is it possible to have a project permanently open?  Such that it can be marked as "Keep Open" when multiple projects are selected to be closed?
[14:56:25] <rcjsuen> cvw: never heard of such a thing myself
[14:56:45] <cvw> rcjsuen: neither have I, but it could help me in my dependency hell I have going on here...
[14:56:57] <cvw> Couldn't hurt to ask, or hope :)
[14:57:36] <masak> hello from the Bioclipse team. we're importing two classes with "restricted access" to pull off a trick with creating views without file resources
[14:57:38] <masak> we like the trick but are troubled by the "restricted access" thing
[14:57:41] <masak> any tips/suggestions?
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[14:58:10] <rcjsuen> masak: are those classes in a package marked as x-internal?
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[14:59:14] <masak> rcjsuen: don't know. it's org.eclipse.ui.internal.editors.text
[14:59:35] <masak> I could imagine that it's marked as x-internal, but I don't know what that is
[15:00:14] <masak> all I know is that we get warnings due to "discouraged access" and that this sounds fairly important
[15:00:43] <rcjsuen> it means
[15:00:44] <rcjsuen> "this is not api"
[15:00:53] <rcjsuen> "expect compilation errors  between eclipes versions"
[15:00:55] <rcjsuen> is the general idea
[15:01:08] <masak> right
[15:01:26] <masak> which means that it's not explicitly prohibited, just bad
[15:01:39] <rcjsuen> well, "if your app breaks it's not our fault"
[15:01:41] <rcjsuen> is the basic idea
[15:01:48] <masak> plus, it's impossible to get rid of those warnings
[15:02:01] <rcjsuen> i think you can turn them on/off in the preferences
[15:02:08] <masak> ah, ok
[15:02:21] <masak> still, it would be far better if there was a way to do this through the API
[15:02:46] <rcjsuen> file an enhancement request then
[15:02:47] <rcjsuen> if you need api
[15:02:51] <rcjsuen> put your case up
[15:02:54] <rcjsuen> and a patch if applicable
[15:02:56] <rcjsuen> and see what they sa
[15:03:17] <masak> where do I file an enhancement?
[15:04:22] <rcjsuen> ~bugs
[15:04:22] <KOS-MOS> Eclipse Bugzilla - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/
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[15:08:10] <masak> rcjsuen: thx
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[15:28:55] <Carstenp> Has anyone experience with the exadel studio? I would like to know if there is an OSS alternative to the exadel studio plugin
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[15:47:34] <gilead> I have widgets inside Group inside ScrolledComposite inside CTabItem. What should I do to make the Group (g) scrollable inside ScrolledComposite (sc)? I have sc.setContent(g); sc.setExpand...; sc.setMin...; tab.setControl(sc); but while there did appear another border around the Group there are no scrollbars no matter how small the window is.
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[15:52:13] <gilead> hm... why it's that often, after you ask for help the next thing happens is you solve the problem ;)
[15:52:23] <gilead> I just had to use FlowLayout on parent component... strange?
[15:53:01] <gilead> but now the contents isn't scrolled to the bottom :/ Looks like only a part that was originally visible is scrollable
[15:53:48] <Tessien> I find that things often act oddly if I set no layout at all.
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[15:54:34] <gilead> usually don't display at all ;)
[15:54:46] <Tessien> just as you said :)
[15:55:13] <gilead> nah, I used GridLayout before and with it scrollbars were not appearing
[15:55:56] <gilead> yeah, tried again with working implementation: GridLayout on parent = no scrollbars on a child
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[15:58:06] <gilead> or rather, CTabFolder needs to have GridData with both grabExcessHorizontalSpace and grabExcessVerticalSpace set to true ;)
[15:58:12] <gilead> <sigh> sorry for spamming :P
[15:59:36] <Tessien> actually that's good to know.
[15:59:56] <Tessien> I'm still very unclear on exactly how some of those settings interact. Usually end up just trying various combinations until I get behavior I like.
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[16:02:57] <gilead> that's life with libs you're just learning :) I'm just writing my first serious app with SWT and I expected all kinds of seemingly unsolvable problems but am totally (in positive way :) ) surprised that things just work and SWT just doesn't get in my way of thinking :)
[16:03:27] <gilead> well, maybe except having to .discard() things ;)
[16:03:30] <robot_jesus> gilead: good to here, Ill be doing a big SWT / RCP app shortly
[16:03:34] <robot_jesus> hear*
[16:03:44] <Tessien> it's true. far less painful than swing, that's for sure.
[16:03:53] <gilead> definitely
[16:04:17] <Tessien> I'm naughty and often don't bother disposing of resources I know will last the lifetime of the app... *offers hand to be slapped*
[16:04:37] <Tessien> actually in a couple cases I can't figure out how to get a dispose() callback from somewhere else to know to toss it, so I need to look into the utilities that help you manage it with the plugin's lifecycle
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[16:05:10] <gilead> I'm writing a standalone app -- is there such a tool for such apps as well?
[16:05:38] <Tessien> that I don't know. we're doing a branded RCP app.
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[16:08:28] <mattboll> hi
[16:08:48] <gilead> hi mattboll
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[16:10:08] <mattboll> I've got a "netbeans" project, and with eclipse/ant I've got package org.jdesktop.layout does not exist
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[16:11:09] <mattboll> I've added swing-layout in the classpath
[16:11:13] <legendi> mattboll: its sort of a GUI project, is it?
[16:11:25] <mattboll> legendi: yes
[16:11:44] <legendi> nb uses some of its own layout implementations for its gui builder
[16:12:01] <gilead> mattboll: http://www.google.com/search?q=org.jdesktop
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[16:14:10] <mattboll> It seems that my problem is that eclipse doesn't care about the classpath
[16:14:24] <mattboll> in run as / ant build / classpath
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[16:15:48] <Tessien> njbartlett: morning!
[16:16:15] <njbartlett> Tessien: Hi! In a meeting at the moment. Talk later?
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[16:16:50] <Tessien> just saying hi.
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[16:17:41] <mallize> does anyone know of a plugin that will provide a column view of the Java Build Path/Libraries when using variables?  it's difficult to see the jar names when they don't line up
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[16:19:55] <mallize> guess not.. ;)
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[16:20:51] <kolicha> hi is this the correct place to ask for help with using eclipse with java?
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[16:21:10] <gilead> kolicha: probably :)
[16:21:25] <gilead> depends on the question of course ;)
[16:22:04] <mallize> not if you ask my question :)
[16:23:32] <gilead> mallize: heh, no idea about others but frankly I just didn't understand it
[16:23:44] <kolicha> fair enough, ok well i have a project set up and i have a compiled package which i wish to use with my project. Could someone point me in the direction of setting this up? The problem is i don't have the source files for this package just the name and the compiled class files. On unix if i just put the package folder along with my class files it works all fine. However, the eclipse file...
[16:23:46] <kolicha> ...structure is different
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[16:24:17] <mallize> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11808617@N04/2344920201/sizes/l/
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[16:24:49] <gilead> kolicha: right-click on project, Properties, Java Build Path, Libraries
[16:25:06] <mallize> if you have jars on your build path... they are easy to read.. but if you use maven, for example, and use a variable.. it looks like that screeny
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[16:26:11] <gilead> mallize: if you use Maven isn't your project file managed by Maven itself?
[16:26:50] <mallize> sort of
[16:27:02] <mallize> sometimes you need things in eclipse for debugging purposes
[16:27:08] <mallize> that you won't have in your maven pom
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[16:29:25] <|m0rph|> how do I view the internal JDT source code? I know it is with "open type" option, but I remember i had to do something else ...
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[16:31:02] <paulweb515__> |m0rph|: to just walk through, you need to go to the Plug-ins view and add all plugins to your search path (context menu option)
[16:31:06] <paulweb515__> ~findclass
[16:31:06] <KOS-MOS> Looking for a particular class in the Eclipse APIs? http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_find_a_particular_class_from_an_Eclipse_plug-in%3F
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[16:33:03] <robot_jesus> paulweb515_ that page is blank
[16:33:30] <robot_jesus> |m0rph|: ctrl+shift+f1 is the new plugin spy , which will tell you the class and even jump to it if the project is open
[16:34:14] <|m0rph|> i'm on a mac :P
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[16:35:20] <vipaca> Hello all I added a file type to my context type to get syntax highlighting, but I was wondering why the outline perspective does not sync up with this new context type?
[16:38:38] <|m0rph|> this is going to sound stupid but I can't find the context menu to enable java search
[16:40:06] <paulweb515__> robot_jesus: not for me
[16:40:26] <|m0rph|> the page worked
[16:40:36] <paulweb515__> robot_jesus: you might have to copy out the link (some problem that occasionally crops up with some IRC clients, we don't know why)
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[16:40:54] <paulweb515__> |m0rph|: select all the plugins and then right-click
[16:41:44] <|m0rph|> lol, done
[16:41:46] <|m0rph|> thanks
[16:42:37] <|m0rph|> i actually tried that, but I've just installed a new apple mouse and the secondary click wasn't activated
[16:42:38] <|m0rph|> :P
[16:42:38] <robot_jesus> paulweb515__: my IRC client is translating the %3F to a question markl
[16:43:00] <paulweb515__> robot_jesus: that would do it :-)
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[16:49:59] <kolicha> @gilead and mallize perfect thanks. Sorted :)
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[17:13:16] <Tessie1> hmm. MS is here to brief their open source strategy.
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[17:18:31] <njbartlett> Tessie1: Damn this is boring
[17:20:52] <Tessie1> Check the link @cote put up. Much more interesting.
[17:21:11] <cote> Here ya go: http://tinyurl.com/ys3prr
[17:21:28] <Tessie1> I kind of wish he'd just read that blog post. But I enjoyed the reuse of the cat-and-mouse slide.
[17:22:01] <cote> Tessie1: who're you in Twitter?
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[17:22:30] <zx|econ> zzz
[17:22:39] <zx|econ> There should be an Eclipse related announcement or two
[17:23:49] <Tessie1> cote: SirLyric
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[17:25:03] <Tessien> totally losing interest
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[17:26:16] <rcjsuen> Anyone at the Con? What did Sam say?
[17:26:32] <lemmy> rcjsuen: nothing really, just a couple of jokes
[17:26:41] <Tessien> http://tinyurl.com/ys3prr is what he's fixing to say
[17:26:47] <Tessien> right now he's blathering about business models
[17:26:58] <rcjsuen> oh, so he's not done yet
[17:27:04] <rcjsuen> i thot the keynote was over
[17:27:19] <robot_jesus> MS is at eclipsecon ?
[17:27:21] <robot_jesus> lame
[17:27:50] <rcjsuen> robot_jesus: eh, i don't see a problem
[17:28:27] <robot_jesus> over the years I've just grown to hate MS , their products are crap
[17:28:52] <robot_jesus> the last product i bought, xbox 360 , started freezing on every game after the first 3 months
[17:29:10] <rcjsuen> Well, that's fine, but what does this have to do with them speaking at EclipseCon?
[17:29:30] <robot_jesus> their corrupting eclipse !
[17:29:33] <robot_jesus> only joking
[17:29:58] <robot_jesus> but what are they talking about, are they contributing to eclipse ?
[17:30:12] <rcjsuen> robot_jesus: see the link Tessien pasted
[17:30:22] <robot_jesus> cool thx
[17:30:23] <rcjsuen> He might say more, who knows.
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[17:35:38] <Tessien>  this is deathly boring
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[17:36:58] <cote> Does Microsoft have any commiters at/on Eclipse?
[17:37:04] <rcjsuen> cote: afaik no
[17:37:26] <zx|econ> cote: an easy way to check is: http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/commit-count-loc.php
[17:37:35] <rcjsuen> cote: http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/commit-count-loc.php
[17:37:35] <Tessien> here's the higgins announcement
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[17:37:39] <rcjsuen> Unless they are "Individual".
[17:37:50] <rcjsuen> ijuma: hah, i win
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[17:38:05] <rcjsuen> ijuma: unless the announcement is "We still hate you guys" ;)
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[17:39:08] <njbartlett> Get to the damn point, Sam
[17:39:17] <Tessien> mindsound: yo
[17:39:17] <ijuma> rcjsuen: unless I hear more, it seems like the Sun announcement to use EclipseLink for the RI of JPA 2.0 is a bigger announcement
[17:39:18] <mindsound> no freaking kidding  :)
[17:39:38] <njbartlett> ijuma: I agree.
[17:39:43] <mindsound> I loved how he was visibly disappointed that we're all not like HIGGINS WOO
[17:39:44] <rcjsuen> ijuma: Are they? Nice.
[17:40:03] <rcjsuen> mindsound: I still don't really know what Higgins is.
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[17:40:06] <Tessien> actually very pleased about this SWT thing
[17:40:09] <rcjsuen> I still hate their wiki pages though ;)
[17:40:20] <Tessien> SECRET TECHNOLOGY.
[17:40:21] <zx|econ> hey, in the end, it makes for a interesting press release and shows how far Eclipse has progressed that even Microsoft gets involved
[17:40:52] <rcjsuen> ~223138
[17:40:54] <KOS-MOS> Bug 223138 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=223138 - Platform / IDE / 3.4 - PC / Windows XP - NEW / enhancement / - Assignee: platform-ide-inbox at eclipse dot org - Next and Previous button for errors and warnings under Problems Tab
[17:40:56] <rcjsuen> Isn't there a hotkey for that?
[17:41:09] <mindsound> zx|econ: true but I just sat through a 40 minute commercial to hear this stuff  >_<
[17:41:27] <Tessien> I'm worried, honestly. They may use it as an attempt to divide the community, embrace & extend
[17:41:29] <zx|econ> mindsound: you have those +1 / -1 comment cards :)
[17:41:48] <ijuma> rcjsuen: yeap, first technology developed at eclipse that is part of a Java EE RI apparently
[17:42:02] <ijuma> or will be part to be more precise
[17:42:30] <ijuma> although to be fair, it was mostly done by Oracle outside of Eclipse, but it's part of Eclipse now :)
[17:42:38] <mindsound> Tessien: meh -- on a platform like this, there are so many other open opportunities that at the slightest whiff of lock-in, people will flee
[17:43:03] <mindsound> back in NS4/IE4 open platforms were harder to come by  :)
[17:43:03] <rcjsuen> Tessien: I am not worried about that.
[17:44:05] <mindsound> LOL
[17:44:05] <Tessien> that's what I mean. ideally you'd omg the menus are SPINNING
[17:44:19] <Tessien> their secret plan is to slow down the java developers with spinning list boxes and rainbow menus
[17:44:21] <mindsound> BAHAHAHA
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[17:45:20] <mindsound> this is like neat that some dude got some stuff to work and whatnot but rainbows lol wut?
[17:45:54] <Tessien> I think this is all really good, actually, but MS is going to have to work to build a rep amid this community.
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[17:47:19] <mindsound> it's looking like the advert-to-reusable-stuff ratio is going to top out at 1:8
[17:47:27] <mindsound> in terms of sam's use of our time
[17:47:56] <ijuma> not bad for a keynote ;)
[17:48:02] <spooon> Not bad?
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[17:49:28] <mindsound> eclipse = portability-focussed community; .net != portable
[17:49:39] <mindsound> (mono is weaksauce, sorry)
[17:49:44] <spooon> It might be if Microsoft picked up the Mono project.
[17:49:49] <mindsound> as you say.
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[17:49:56] <Tessien> he just said something nice about Miguel, I'm impressed
[17:50:01] <mindsound> :)
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[17:50:39] <Tessien> were people submitting these questions in real time?
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[17:50:51] <mindsound> allegedly
[17:50:56] <Tessien> wonder where.
[17:51:02] <mindsound> that alias
[17:51:03] <spooon> Emailing asksam@eclipse
[17:51:08] <mindsound> yeah
[17:51:11] <Tessien> oh, I must not have been paying attention
[17:51:23] <mindsound> O RLY
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[17:54:00] <spooon> Did I miss it, or did he answer the question?
[17:54:05] <spooon> My head is spinnign again.
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[17:56:09] <mindsound> I notice that his question responses are verbose and significantly less relaxed and well-spun than his presentation
[17:56:34] <ijuma> (btw, if it wasn't clear my comment above was dripping with sarcasm ;))
[17:56:41] <Tessien> yeah. I kind of wish he'd spent 10 minutes announcing and 50 answering questions
[17:56:44] <mindsound> all this marketing is making my eyes water
[17:57:00] <mindsound> ROFL
[17:57:15] <mindsound> "the right thing to do for interoperability"
[17:57:32] <Tessien> I sent in a question, let's see if it gets answered
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[18:00:40] <njbartlett> Tessien: What was your question?
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[18:01:16] <Tessien> How do you propose to build your reputation in the Eclipse community and convince them that you're not here to embrace and extend their work?
[18:01:24] <Tessien> nope, not getting asked
[18:01:28] <spooon> Ugh.
[18:01:28] <mindsound> weaksauce
[18:01:31] <Tessien> ok, off to talks.
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[18:01:48] <njbartlett> Tessien: What, you're not staying for E4?
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[18:02:06] <Tessien> gonna head over to Cooperative Resource Exchange, probably
[18:02:09] <Tessien> later.
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[18:17:01] <Tessie1> how's e4?
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[18:17:18] <c> im using e3
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[18:17:24] <c> dunno
[18:17:40] <Tessie1> lol. I meant the talk at con :)
[18:18:59] <c> im not getting to the public eclipse channel
[18:19:01] <c> :C
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[18:19:22] <The_PHP_Jedi> hm... has anyone had problems with Eclipse's Import wizard not wanting to proceed after selecting a folder to import from FTP?
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[18:21:56] * The_PHP_Jedi throws bricks at Eclipse so that it starts working normally like two days ago
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[18:23:55] <ijuma> so, who was the special guest then?
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[18:25:45] <lemmy> Steve Northover
[18:25:58] <lemmy> He demod SWT on WPF
[18:26:23] <Tessie1> spinning menus!
[18:26:28] <c> i got a problem with my workspcae, so i cant change the defaut workspace
[18:26:32] <c> can someone help me?
[18:26:37] <ijuma> lemmy: I see, thanks
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[18:27:22] <lemmy> ijuma: nothing really revolutionary. Sam just said that m$ will help with SWT on WPF
[18:27:59] <ijuma> lemmy: yeap, read his blog entry about that. It's similar to what they did with firefox, etc.
[18:28:06] <lemmy> I'm Steve has been to Apple too and that hasn't even made it into the news except for a blog post of him.
[18:28:18] <lemmy> s/I'm/I mean
[18:28:26] <ijuma> heh
[18:28:28] <Tessie1> they are mostly trying to keep from getting locked out by the open platform
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[18:29:31] <Tessien> I'd have preferred to see them announce they'll be a Strategic Developer member and start helping with the platform
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[18:31:46] <ijuma> Tessien: How could that happen when they have Visual Studio and a completely different RCP stack?
[18:32:12] <ijuma> the best you can expect from Microsoft is that they allow you to compete on equal footing on their platforms
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[18:34:27] <masterflexor> I downloaded eclipse with PDT. How in the world does one create a PHP project?
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[18:38:04] <c> i need to know how i can change the default workspace
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[18:41:33] <abstrakt> where is the PDT channel?
[18:41:46] <abstrakt> or is PDT on topic in here?
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[18:44:59] <lemmy> e4 turns out to be a RAP demo only. :(
[18:45:07] <The_PHP_Jedi> abstrakt, it'd probably be here
[18:45:15] <lemmy> the e4 long talk I mean
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[18:46:03] <Tessien> makes me feel better. excited about RAP though.
[18:46:09] <The_PHP_Jedi> masterflexor, new -> 'PHP' folder -> 'PHP Project'
[18:46:12] <Tessien> the community talk is actually pretty interesting.
[18:46:37] <The_PHP_Jedi> masterflexor, actually, File -> New -> 'PHP' Folder -> 'PHP Project'
[18:46:48] <Tessien> masterflexor: if that doesn't show up, take a look at Preferences > Capabilities and make sure the PHP stuff is turned on
[18:46:53] <Tessien> if it's there
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[18:49:52] <ijuma> lemmy: Is it finished already?
[18:50:53] <lemmy> noep
[18:50:58] <lemmy> Jeff is currently talking
[18:51:08] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, I've dowloaded at least 15 eclipse packages for PDT: all-in-ones, PDT feature, you name it. There's no PHP option, anywhere.
[18:51:16] <ijuma> lemmy: maybe the best is at the end ;)
[18:51:27] <The_PHP_Jedi> masterflexor, have you gotten to the 'new project' wizard?
[18:51:33] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, I'm looking at Windows > Preferences -- I see nothing
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[18:51:36] <The_PHP_Jedi> you should see a 'PHP' folder somewhere....
[18:51:57] <lemmy> ijuma: I hope so, because so far it feels simply RAP will become part of platform.
[18:52:00] <The_PHP_Jedi> masterflexor, I used the updater, it worked fine.
[18:52:14] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, no PHP folder. What OS are you using?
[18:52:24] <The_PHP_Jedi> Linux.
[18:52:29] <The_PHP_Jedi> but it shouldn't matter
[18:52:54] <ijuma> lemmy: it's just a concept :)
[18:53:16] <ijuma> will also be interesting to see what goes on at the swt 4.0 talk
[18:53:23] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, If I even go near Help > Software Updates  then friggin Eclipse freezes up.
[18:53:47] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, I want o combine this with viPlugin. I've been messing with the junk for 2 days, now
[18:53:47] <The_PHP_Jedi> lol, then I suggest a reinstall
[18:54:03] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, I've re-installed like 10 times.
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[18:54:34] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, and, the eclipse version that get's installed by the Yum package manager for fedora 6 is eclipse 3.2.2 -- that blows
[18:54:58] <masterflexor> I wonder if I can force the intallation of eclipse 3.3.x by using the package manager.
[18:55:01] <The_PHP_Jedi> oh... that might be why.. I believe PDT only works with the newer beta Eclipse
[18:55:14] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, I've downloaded those as well.
[18:55:15] <The_PHP_Jedi> I'm running 3.3.1.1
[18:55:25] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, that's what I'm running now.
[18:55:41] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, did you download the all-in-one?
[18:55:49] <masterflexor> *I'm not using 3.3.1.1
[18:56:03] <masterflexor> nvm, I am
[18:56:09] <The_PHP_Jedi> masterflexor, no, I downloaded the regular Eclipse and used the updater.
[18:56:26] <The_PHP_Jedi> well, Eclipse 3.3, that is.
[18:58:12] <The_PHP_Jedi> damn it, Eclipse's FTP syncronize won't download stuff in folders prefixed w/ ~
[18:58:38] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, If I got to Help>About Eclipse Plaftform and click on the Plugins button, I can see some php related plugins, but not a *pdt* plugin.
[18:59:18] <The_PHP_Jedi> masterflexor, did you add the URL for the PDT plugin, as described in the PDT page?
[18:59:48] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, I downloaded the all in one packages.
[19:00:02] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, it should already have it.
[19:00:03] <The_PHP_Jedi> then it should work out of the box.
[19:00:17] <The_PHP_Jedi> no clue then
[19:00:26] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, but, in any case, I can't even select the sofware update. Eclipse hangs.
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[19:00:30] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, you mentioned to go to preferences and then capabilites.
[19:00:45] <The_PHP_Jedi> I did?
[19:01:10] <The_PHP_Jedi> that was Tessien
[19:01:13] <masterflexor> Yeah, sorry
[19:01:24] <masterflexor> This sucks major balls
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[19:03:30] <robot_jesus> masterflexor: whats the issue ?
[19:03:40] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, which version did you download: Eclipse Classic, Eclipse IDE for Java Developers, etc?
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[19:03:47] <masterflexor> robot_jesus, NO PDT
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[19:03:59] <masterflexor> No PDT, that is. I ain't screaming
[19:04:17] <The_PHP_Jedi> masterflexor, no clue.... it took me like two days to get Eclipse running w/ all the plugins I wanted, and to configure it to work with my VPS.
[19:04:24] <The_PHP_Jedi> and that was a couple of months ago.. so I really don't remember
[19:04:33] <masterflexor> The_PHP_Jedi, cool
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[19:05:11] <The_PHP_Jedi> ugh, at this point, I'm not sure if I hate more Eclipse or FTP itself.
[19:05:39] <masterflexor> I've never had much luck with Eclipse. I don't want to give up, but this program has no love for me.
[19:05:52] <The_PHP_Jedi> if you give it time, it'll love you.
[19:06:02] <The_PHP_Jedi> FTP just doesn't love me. Eclipse does.
[19:06:29] <masterflexor> FTP can be funky, from any client. The_PHP_Jedi
[19:07:02] <The_PHP_Jedi> yeah, I don't like the protocol itself.
[19:07:03] <masterflexor> any ideas, robot_jesus?
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[19:07:58] <The_PHP_Jedi> I'd use SSH, but I've secured my VPS w/ private keys, and Eclipse doesn't seem to support keys atm.
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[19:09:00] <simon|work> anyone know how to use rsync to copy site securly ?
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[19:10:19] <masterflexor> Has anyone else have problems when selecting any of the software update menu items, such as Find and Install?
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[19:17:32] <amon_> I've just installed the remote systems plugin. How the heck can I access remote systems now? I found some options to set about it, but there's no hint how to access remote systems
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[19:20:03] <The_PHP_Jedi> oh wtf, SFTP's plugin does support keys... and it works! :D
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[19:22:47] <kaje1> If anyone here at Eclipsecon is staying at the Hilton, don't waste your money paying for wireless connectivity in your room... All you have to do is log in to the free wireless in the lobby, then go up to your room. The free session appears to persist onto the wifi in your room... Enjoy the slowest net connection ever!
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[19:27:51] <benny`work> :P
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[19:34:06] <robot_jesus> masterflexor: No PDT through the update menu ?
[19:34:07] <robot_jesus> thats odd
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[19:34:50] <masterflexor> robot_jesus, I can get to the updates menu. Eclipse freezes up if I select any of those options.
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[19:35:34] <masterflexor> robot_jesus, I'm reinstalling java now
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[19:35:58] <robot_jesus> hmm, wonder if its a connectivity issue
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[19:39:44] <masterflexor> robot_jesus, how could I find out if it's a connectivity issue?
[19:39:57] <masterflexor> robot_jesus, and, if it were, should that just hang eclipse?
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[19:41:12] <robot_jesus> masterflex: ideally no it would report a problem immediately, but if its trying to get out to the update site and getting blocked by a firewall or something it _might_ just hang
[19:41:35] <robot_jesus> just maybe's though
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[19:47:26] <JDempster> I use Eclipse's PDT for PHP development, can anyone tell me how I can remove the Java Development tools? I don't seem to be able to disable them, thanks :)
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[19:50:07] <JDempster> I think they're called JDT and the PDE
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[19:51:01] <dominikg> congrats rcjsuen :)
[19:51:15] <dominikg> now where's my beer for that vote? ;)
[19:51:17] <rcjsuen> dominikg: thx
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[19:52:39] <rcjsuen> I think I'd go broke just feeding Chris and Nick.
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[19:54:13] <dominikg> i don't need that much... but wasn't there a party budget for the winners to spend last year?  :>
[19:54:24] <rcjsuen> dominikg: That was last year, they didn't do it this year.
[19:54:46] <dominikg> awww damn! hope you got some nice prizes anyway :)
[19:55:16] <robot_jesus> did you one the contributor award ?
[19:55:18] <robot_jesus> win*
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[19:57:28] <randoms> hi. im currently running mac osx, but i need the POSIX real time library (lrt), therefore.. is it possible to save files remote trough eclipse? i have a account on a solaris server, can i work with files from this server, and also compile here? if so, how? :)
[19:57:47] <randoms> ive tryed with cvs, but cvs only saves version files, not the originalones on the remote server.
[19:58:54] <dominikg> ~tell randoms about tm
[19:58:55] <KOS-MOS> randoms: Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/
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[20:00:17] <dominikg> dunno if that suits your needs tho.. sounds more like you'd want to set up a remote build process .... develeop and check in your code from within eclipse ... use some other tools on the solaris box to check the code out and build it
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[20:00:45] <masterflex> robot_jesus, eclipse 3.3.x doesn't kept freezing on software updates. I upgraded Java to version 6. It loads the screen now. :)
[20:01:16] <JDempster> can I remove or disable JDT and PDE from eclipse, I don't use them...
[20:01:31] <JDempster> just wanting to use PDT
[20:01:32] <dominikg> randoms, you may want to have a look at continous integration tools like cruisecontrol
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[20:01:44] <robot_jesus> masterflex: sweet!
[20:02:00] <masterflex> robot_jesus, I know. It only tooks me 2 days ;)
[20:02:11] <robot_jesus> I use cruisecontrol, its quite nice
[20:02:20] <robot_jesus> except for ant refusing to change working directories :S
[20:02:25] <dominikg> JDempster, you can download the platform binaries (comes without jdt) and use the update manager to install pdt+requirements
[20:02:33] <rcjsuen> robot_jesus: yup, others are Ed Merks, zx, and Eric Rizzo http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20080318_AwardsWinners.php
[20:02:52] <JDempster> dominikg: thank you for replying, will try that now ! :)
[20:02:54] <robot_jesus> congrats rcjsuen :)
[20:03:06] <rcjsuen> thx
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[20:19:27] <tsrepadmin> which way i can debug my eclipse plugin? if i launch it in pde everything works fine, if i deploy it, everything works fine, if i install it, it doesn't work
[20:19:50] <rcjsuen> define "doesn't work"
[20:20:45] <tsrepadmin> well, it's not listed in the installed plugins list
[20:20:50] <rcjsuen> ~clean
[20:20:50] <KOS-MOS> Please try restarting Eclipse with the '-clean' argument. http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#I_have_just_installed_a_plug-in_but_I_do_not_see_any_indication_of_it_in_my_workspace._What_do_I_do.3F
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[20:25:34] <tsrepadmin> rcjsuen: didn't have any effect
[20:26:23] <rcjsuen> hm, that _should_ have it redo the cache
[20:26:36] <rcjsuen> er
[20:26:41] <rcjsuen> delete the cache and rescan for plug-ins
[20:26:43] <rcjsuen> i guess is what i menat
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[20:27:00] <Bryan_> how do you change your default workspace?
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[20:27:13] <rcjsuen> well, you could just File > Switch
[20:27:17] <Bryan_Sierra> yeah
[20:27:20] <rcjsuen> or in the preferences you should be able to tell it to prompt
[20:27:24] <Bryan_Sierra> But I never use my current default workspace.
[20:27:52] <Bryan_Sierra> where at in preferences though lol
[20:27:55] <tsrepadmin> how could i tell it to promt?
[20:28:16] <rcjsuen> it's in there somewhere, use the filter on the top left
[20:28:34] <Bryan_Sierra> tried that for workspace and default.
[20:28:43] <Bryan_Sierra> :o any other ideas that I should try before going through one by one?
[20:28:53] <dominikg> not sure if its in the preferences, it may be on one of the dialogs when switching/chosing a workspace... i've been searching it myself some time ago
[20:29:08] <ijuma> "Prompt for workspaces on startup"
[20:29:37] <ijuma> Bryan_Sierra and dominikg ^
[20:29:39] <rcjsuen> under the 'General' category
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[20:30:01] * ijuma just assumes that people will filter ;)
[20:30:08] <rcjsuen> ijuma: filtering on 'workspace' didn't work tho
[20:30:14] <rcjsuen> but i see what you mean
[20:30:19] <rcjsuen> if you knew the pp's name
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[20:42:01] <ijuma> rcjsuen: it worked here when i used Startup
[20:42:31] <rcjsuen> ijuma: i meant, you would think to filter on 'workspace', but that won't give you the startup page
[20:42:35] <rcjsuen> so you'll keep trying to find how to set it to prompt
[20:44:10] <ijuma> right
[20:44:34] <tsrepadmin> rcjsuen: i started eclipse now with the parameter -consolelog, but still there is no effect. it just don't load the plugin
[20:44:40] <masterflex> I'm reading about a workbench, in  the help topics, but I still don't know what the difference between a workbeanch and a perspective is. Can someone comment?
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[20:46:35] <dominikg> masterflex, have  look at the workbench user guidt under help -> help content
[20:46:50] <dominikg> *guide
[20:47:07] <masterflex> dominikg, yeah. It's very short paragraph.
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[20:48:20] <masterflex> Workbench started to make sense, but then it that intro mentioned that more than one workbench can be opened at once. That through me off.
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[20:49:56] <rcjsuen> well, you can open multiple workbench windows of the same workspace
[20:50:27] <masterflex> rcjsuen, the workspace is basically the current instance of eclipse running, correct?
[20:50:50] <masterflex> rcjsuen, a workspace can also mean the top level directory from where your subprojects are located, right?
[20:51:32] <benny`work> masterflex, no the workspace is the root directory for your resources. the workbench itself is the running eclipse instance but you can have multiple workbench windows
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[20:52:27] <masterflex> benny`work, so multiple workbench windows means multiple instances of Eclipse?
[20:52:41] <rcjsuen> no
[20:52:57] <rcjsuen> it's still one single JVM running Eclipse
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[20:54:09] <masterflex> rcjsuen, well, multiple top level window instances; ones with a file menu. One top level window per workbench ?
[20:54:53] <rcjsuen> they all have a 'File' menu
[20:54:58] <rcjsuen> try it yourself from the 'Window' menu
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[20:57:48] <masterflex> I'm messing around with the windows menu. I only see perspective in there.
[20:59:31] <rcjsuen> er
[20:59:33] <rcjsuen> Window > New Window?
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[21:00:54] <masterflex> rcjsuen, ah. So: New Window == New Workbench  ?
[21:01:33] <benny`work> masterflex, new window == new workbench window
[21:01:33] <rcjsuen> it's a new workbench window
[21:01:41] <benny`work> there is still only one workbench running
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[21:02:48] <masterflex> benny`work, I see. Is there a known reason for calling the running program a 'workbench'.
[21:03:15] <rcjsuen> wha
[21:04:32] <vipaca> Hello all Im sorry for post so many times but I keep missing a response if one is given I added a new file type to the context type but for some reason when I open the outline perspective it is blank how do I fix this?
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[21:06:48] <dominikg> vipaca, what exactly are you trying to do?
[21:08:20] <vipaca> umm I have a file system of source code
[21:08:51] <vipaca> I initially wanted to be able to see the syntax highlighting for the source code w/o changing the filename of each file
[21:09:57] <vipaca> I added a new file association to context types for the source type I desired
[21:10:34] <dominikg> so the files have an extension that is unknown to eclipse but a source code editor for that language exsits? eg. you have java code in files called foo.bar and want to associate *.bar with the java editor?
[21:10:35] <vipaca> This worked like a charm, but I would like this fily type to be treated like the default
[21:10:49] <vipaca> correct
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[21:11:22] <vipaca> so for instance when I open the outline perspective I get the source code outline.
[21:11:43] <vipaca> This works with .java but not .bar files
[21:12:55] <dominikg> do you really have java code in your files or are you just following my example?
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[21:13:14] <rcjsuen> vipaca: Can you take a screenshot?
[21:13:14] <vipaca> In using tcl so Im following your example
[21:13:41] <vipaca> rcjsuen: and where would I put said screen shot?
[21:13:54] <rcjsuen> So you get the outline if you rename it to .tcl?
[21:13:56] <rcjsuen> ~image
[21:13:56] <KOS-MOS> Please upload your screenshots online - http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add - http://imagebin.ca/upload.php - http://imageshack.us/
[21:15:08] <vipaca> to be honest I don't feel comfortable doing that given its prop source
[21:15:33] <vipaca> I know that sounds stupid, but I rather exaplain it
[21:15:57] <rcjsuen> Can't you just reproduce it in a hello world tcl file?
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[21:17:53] <vipaca> let me give it a shot.
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[21:19:51] <Tessien> hm. why the heck can I connect to IRC through Pidgin but not through Epic?
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[21:21:06] <Tessien> rcjsuen: congratulations.
[21:21:15] <rcjsuen> Tessien: thx
[21:21:30] <Tessien> oh. linode blocks outbound 6667 to foil botnets. bah.
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[21:22:38] <Tessien> there we go, 8000 will work instead
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[21:23:56] <Tessien> much better
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[21:33:13] <Tessien> hmms. the wireless net at EclipseCon seems to be imploding
[21:34:17] <benny`work> Tessien, like on every conference :)
[21:34:31] <Tessien> yesterday the power in the upstairs area was acting up
[21:35:39] <Tessien> discovered a couple of nifty new windows hotkeys though. alt-esc to move the current window to the back; alt-space, n to minimize current window
[21:35:58] <Tessien> annoyingly, PuTTY eats alt-space for some reason
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[21:41:03] <vipaca> http://imagebin.org/15040
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[21:42:42] <rcjsuen> oh, we're not even talking about the Outline view i see
[21:42:53] <rcjsuen> I recommend you file a bug.
[21:43:15] <vipaca> o i c
[21:43:22] <vipaca> same thing happens in outline
[21:44:05] <rcjsuen> well, file a bug then
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[22:28:32] <BoomerET> I'm trying to update/install some things, and it says I'm missing org.eclipse.wst.web :-( Googling isn't helping much yet.
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[22:28:57] <rcjsuen> BoomerET: elaborating on "some things" may be helpful
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[22:29:51] <BoomerET> Specifically Web Tools Platform (WPT) updates
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[22:31:03] <rcjsuen> you could try clicking the Select Required button after expanding those tree nodes
[22:31:11] <rcjsuen> i always just download eclipse again
[22:32:11] <BoomerET> That's what I just did, and am over-writing what was there.
[22:32:39] <nickbold2> select required only works with expanded sites, though apparently there's a fix (finally!) in Eclipse 3.4M5+ for that
[22:33:20] <rcjsuen> overwriting is no good
[22:33:36] <BoomerET> Tnx so much for the help. bbiab
[22:33:44] <rcjsuen> always unzip in a new location
[22:34:25] <nickbold2> yep, and then use an .eclipseextension or .link file for good measure
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[22:38:10] <masterflex> on my Explorer window, where it has the list of files for my project, what does a little X on a directory means?
[22:39:12] <rcjsuen> maybe errors?
[22:39:14] <rcjsuen> I guess?
[22:39:23] <rcjsuen> An ~image would help
[22:39:23] <KOS-MOS> Please upload your screenshots online - http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add - http://imagebin.ca/upload.php - http://imageshack.us/
[22:40:14] <masterflex> will do
[22:40:44] <dominikg> also, if you want a quick way to take and share screenshots, take a look at jing: ww.jingproject.com
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[22:44:15] <masterflex> http://imagebin.org/15044
[22:44:44] <rcjsuen> yes, that's a red X
[22:44:54] <rcjsuen> used to indicate errors
[22:44:58] <rcjsuen> at least, that's what it's usually for
[22:45:01] <rcjsuen> try looking in your 'Problems' view
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[22:45:36] <masterflex> rcjsuen, ah. I see. There are errors and warnings listed.
[22:45:39] <masterflex> rcjsuen, thanks
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[22:51:24] <rcjsuen> http://borisoneclipse.blogspot.com/2008/03/e4-pointers-and-teaser.html
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[22:54:39] <stou> is there some sort of reference for viewer contribution targetId's? I am trying to implement a text selection popup menu but PyDev and XML don't work with #TextEditorContext
[22:55:18] <rcjsuen> ~tell stou about wiki Menu Contributions
[22:55:18] <KOS-MOS> stou: Check out this wiki article - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Menu_Contributions
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[22:56:40] <stou> rcjsuen, thank you
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[23:07:52] <stou> it doesn't work. the Scramble example works only in java and 'default text editor'... how would I go about finding out the locationURI's of editors for other types of files?
[23:07:59] <paulweb515__> stou: you still need the correct ID
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[23:08:23] <paulweb515__> stou: bring up the editor or view you want and then use Plugin Spy (ALT+SHIFT+F1)
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[23:09:13] <paulweb515__> stou: that will give you the list of context menu IDs you can use (assuming you want to contribute to a context menu)
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[23:09:47] <stou> paulweb515_, I guess I don't have plugin spy installed because ALT+SHIFT+F1 doesn't do anything
[23:10:06] <Tessien> I'm sad that plugin spy is only in 3.4+
[23:10:10] <stou> but that is what I want to do.... why aren't all the text editors in eclipse world subclassed from one text editor or something?
[23:10:15] <stou> ah
[23:10:29] <Tessien> I want it for my 3.3 dev project
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[23:11:27] <paulweb515__> stou: they are, potentially, subclassed from AbstractTextEditor or TextEditor
[23:11:48] <paulweb515__> stou: but the subclasses have the option to control what IDs are used with their context menus
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[23:13:41] <stou> paulweb515_, I see. That's unfortunate because my plug-in works only on text... and having to track down every eclipse plugin that uses a text editor seems a bit weird.
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[23:15:05] <Tessien> the usual pattern I'd think would be to contribute to the 'standard' place, at least as close as you can get, and then do additional point integrations as you need them
[23:15:21] <Tessien> your users ought to let you know.
[23:17:05] <stou> Tessien, that's what I am going to do... but none of the plugins I use support "the standard way" including CDT's C++ viewer
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[23:17:13] <stou> I don't mean to bitch.
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[23:18:59] <Tessien> I'd consider patching CDT :)
[23:19:14] <Tessien> I can see how that's frustrating though.
[23:19:27] <Tessien> brb
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[23:19:38] <Tessien> boing!
[23:22:49] <rcjsuen> Tessien: i think there's a patch in bugzilla somewhere to port it
[23:22:54] <rcjsuen> or maybe even a droppable jar
[23:22:56] <rcjsuen> to add PDE spy
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[23:23:33] <JordanC> Hey :)
[23:24:45] <rcjsuen> JordanC: Hi
[23:24:51] <JordanC> Wuzzup
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[23:25:51] <rcjsuen> stou: You could try submitting patches per Tessien's comment. Some plug-ins might make the id funky for the purpose of preventing others from polluting their context menu. *shrugs*
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[23:31:36] <stou> rcjsuen, weird... but then eclipse allows plugins to globally place windows without letting the user remove them... like Aptana community edition places an advertisement in the workspace
[23:32:00] <rcjsuen> well, the toolbar isn't the same as an editor
[23:32:10] <rcjsuen> it might be possible to contribute to all editors, who knows, i don't ;)
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[23:32:58] <laura85> hi ^^
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[23:34:45] <laura85> what does this mean? "Requested operation cannot be performed because it would invalidate the current configuration. See details for more information. Eclipse Communication Framework Application (Required) (2.0.0.v20080211-2042) requires plug-in "org.eclipse.ui (3.4.0)", or later version."
[23:35:05] <JordanC> Pretty much what it says xD
[23:35:30] <jonny2> hehe
[23:37:25] <laura85> problem is, it's the latest eclipse package on eclipse.org... so where do i find that required update?
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[23:37:55] <JordanC> Do you already have a copy of eclipse on your computer?
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[23:38:24] <laura85> hm do you mean a previous installed version?
[23:39:06] <laura85> previously
[23:39:28] <rcjsuen> laura85: You need to get an Eclipse 3.4 build.
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[23:39:31] <rcjsuen> Not Eclipse 3.3.x
[23:40:17] <laura85> rcjsuen, thx, but see: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
[23:40:27] <laura85> Eclipse Classic 3.3.2
[23:40:50] <JordanC> Yeah, 3.4 ^^
[23:41:29] <rcjsuen> laura85: Click 'All Versions'.
[23:41:47] <JordanC> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[23:41:56] <JordanC> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/S-3.4M5-200802071530/index.php
[23:41:57] <JordanC> :)
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[23:42:12] <laura85> why didn't they link the classic version to 3.4?
[23:42:30] <JordanC> Because it's not a release
[23:42:36] <JordanC> It's a stable but not a final yet
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[23:43:54] <rcjsuen> as above
[23:44:24] <laura85> so a final version doesn't support that "support updates" feature??
[23:44:53] <JordanC> A final should o.O
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[23:45:04] <rcjsuen> laura85: Please rephrase.
[23:45:14] <JordanC> But I think it's in the builds as they are quite often updated, laura85 =)
[23:46:39] <laura85> rcjsuen, i need to update to a stable, non-finalized version of eclipse in order to use that support updates feature...
[23:47:23] <rcjsuen> if you want to update to ecf 2 (which is also not stable)
[23:47:29] <rcjsuen> then yes ,you need to update to 3.4 (which is not stable)
[23:48:05] <laura85> rcjsuen, actually i wanted to install the php plugin...
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[23:48:53] <rcjsuen> well, it's possible it's laso trying to update ecf
[23:48:54] <rcjsuen> i dunno
[23:48:57] <rcjsuen> the update manager is pretty funky
[23:49:10] <laura85> rcjsuen, good to know.
[23:49:23] <laura85> thanks rcjsuen and JordanC
[23:49:54] <JordanC> No problems laura85 =)
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