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[01:09:55] <p-f> Is there a way to have tooltips that explain what the special icons mean in the package explorer window? I have no idea what 3/4 of them mean...
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[01:12:09] <p-f> or, alternatively, what do these mean? i) a small J at the top-right corner of a folder, a white star on black background at the bottom-right, a yellow tube...thing... at the bottom right, a question mark, a square crosshair.
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[01:14:27] <exst_mhua> p-f, doesn't the "small J at the top-right corner of a folder" refers to a java project?
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[01:14:34] <p-f> exst_mhua: I guess it does
[01:14:58] <p-f> I guess the white star on a black background means "locally modified"
[01:15:15] <p-f> shouldn't have to guess, though
[01:15:16] <exst_mhua> is that * ?
[01:15:25] <p-f> yes
[01:15:47] <exst_mhua> yup that refers to files/folders with modifcation locally
[01:16:31] <p-f> thanks
[01:16:37] <exst_mhua> the ? appears if the folder/file is not added to the cvs/svn of the project
[01:17:33] <exst_mhua> the yellow tube means your file & the ones on the cvs/svn are in sync
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[01:18:14] <exst_mhua> the "square crosshair" ... this one I have never encountered though
[01:19:21] <p-f> I guess it might mean "main build target" or something
[01:19:28] <memunkey> p-f, that information is in the eclipse documentation.
[01:20:00] <memunkey> the old Linux-user's motto of "rtfm" applies to eclipse, too.
[01:20:04] <memunkey> :D
[01:21:12] <p-f> the old Linux-UI motto of unintuitiveness applies too, eh :)
[01:21:47] <memunkey> actually, p-f, if you want some detailed information on some of that stuff - though it may not be completely current with the new icons, check out the IBM Rational Application Developer Programming Guide (it is a Redbook and is available in PDF from IBM's site.)
[01:22:19] <p-f> alright thanks
[01:22:19] <memunkey> p-f, I have been using Linux for what, 12 years now?  It seems very intuitive to me.
[01:22:47] <memunkey> hold on, I will get you a direct link.
[01:23:45] <p-f> it's ok, I found it
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[01:26:09] <memunkey> okay.  The one for version 7 is eclipse 3.2, and version 6 is 3.0
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[01:43:22] <memunkey> Network connection problems encountered during search.
[01:43:22] <memunkey>   Unable to access "http://download.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/updates/".
[01:43:22] <memunkey>     Error parsing site stream. [Premature end of file.]
[01:43:22] <memunkey>     Premature end of file.
[01:43:22] <memunkey>     Error parsing site stream. [Premature end of file.]
[01:43:22] <memunkey>     Premature end of file.
[01:43:55] <memunkey> what exactly is he problem here?
[01:44:20] <memunkey> all of the xml files seem to be hitting a "Premature end of file." marker
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[02:30:37] <UncleChevitz> having problem installing Aptana plugin, I added the correct site to install from but,  -  -   Aptana Web Development Tools (1.1.4.008288) requires plug-in "org.eclipse.core.filesystem"
[02:31:03] <UncleChevitz> cant find much help on their website either
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[02:52:21] <UncleChevitz> having problem installing Aptana plugin, I added the correct site to install from but,  -  -   Aptana Web Development Tools (1.1.4.008288) requires plug-in "org.eclipse.core.filesystem"
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[02:58:27] <UncleChevitz> having problem installing Aptana plugin, I added the correct site to install from but,  -  -   Aptana Web Development Tools (1.1.4.008288) requires plug-in "org.eclipse.core.filesystem"
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[02:59:25] <nickboldt> UncleChevitz: sounds like a version mismatch, maybe. o.e.core.filesystem should be part of the base platform
[03:00:15] <memunkey> what in the name of the Great Pumpkin is "too many files open" supposed to mean?
[03:00:51] <nickboldt> memunkey: you could try a mirror instead of the base one...  http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/updates/ lists the other sites to try
[03:01:34] <nickboldt> memunkey: I think that's related to vm options... http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I.27m_having_memory.2C_heap.2C_or_permgen_problems.2C_what_can_I_do.3F
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[03:02:19] <memunkey> nickboldt, I have mine set to automatically try mirrors.  I am trying to get MyEclipse to work right, but it is being more of a pain on this x86_64 platform than the 32-bit Rational Software Architect
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[03:05:02] <ivan> any way to stop eclipse from exhausting windows file handles?
[03:05:13] <ivan> used 1800 before i had to close it
[03:06:01] <ijuma> can't you just increase the limit?
[03:07:04] <ivan> any idea how?
[03:07:40] <UncleChevitz> thnks, nickbolt, I'm too inexperienced to know how to fix that tho,
[03:08:05] <ijuma> nope, I would recommend Google. That's what I did when I had to increase it for Fedora
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[03:25:25] <UncleChevitz> nickboldt: I believe that is correct, do you think I could find a solution @ eclipse's site, or is it super easy, like "try a different version"?
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[04:12:24] <flacom> bu.. the pydeb control + 1 does not work :(
[04:18:28] <rcjsuen> flacom: File a bug to pydev.
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[04:52:47] <mannex> Does anyone have documentation on how to configure eclipse to work on Linux by downloading the package straight from the Eclipse website and not using anytype of package manager assoicated with a distro?
[04:53:33] <rcjsuen> mannex: you download
[04:53:34] <rcjsuen> you extract
[04:53:35] <rcjsuen> ./eclipse
[04:53:37] <rcjsuen> the end
[04:53:41] <rcjsuen> ~linux-install
[04:53:42] <KOS-MOS> Trying to install Eclipse on Linux? http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_do_I_install_Eclipse_on_Linux.3F
[04:54:00] <mannex> hmm, k that doesn't work for me
[04:54:05] <rcjsuen> ~info
[04:54:06] <KOS-MOS> Please state a) your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), b) operating system (Windows, Linux, OSX, etc.), c) your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your ~logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), d) your Eclipse version, and e) where did you download Eclipse from.
[04:55:22] <mannex> KOS-MOS, let me check that site out first, thanks.
[04:55:34] <rcjsuen> mannex: Are you on64-bit?
[04:55:44] <mannex> rcjsuen, yes
[04:55:54] <rcjsuen> mannex: You probably got the 32-bit download.
[04:56:02] <rcjsuen> mannex: Do you have the tarball?
[04:56:15] <mannex> rcjsuen, damn let me check it hold on
[04:56:23] <rcjsuen> mannex: When you find it
[04:56:25] <rcjsuen> please tell us the name
[04:57:27] <mannex> rcjsuen, i dont have the tarball.. just the folder that I extracted... it's fine, I'll just delete this folder and re-download the 64-bit one
[04:57:35] <rcjsuen> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.3.2-200802211800/index.php
[04:57:41] <rcjsuen> Make sure you select the right one.
[04:57:43] <rcjsuen> Good luck.
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[05:00:35] <kaon> to update eclipse under linux I just "sudo eclipse" and the updater run's and applies patches.  Is this the correct method?
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[05:00:39] <kaje1> My eclipses is locking up when it is loading the workspace. The progress bar gets about halfway through and then freezes... No output to the console when I launch it from the command line...
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[05:01:58] <kaon> try loading a different workspace and see how you go?
[05:02:12] <kaje1> I did and it loaded right up
[05:02:29] <kaje1> I really don't want to wipe my workspace because all my projects are set up in it
[05:02:34] <mannex> rcjsuen, I'm trying to navigate to the link that you posted, but on my own. Logically followng the "download" path on the eclipse.org website does not give me the option to select 32/64 bit?
[05:02:52] <rcjsuen> mannex: yes that is a problem
[05:04:21] <kaje1> Is there a way to launch eclipse from the console in verbose mode or something? eclipse --help just starts eclipse
[05:04:36] <mannex> rcjsuen, hmm ok
[05:04:44] <kaje1> thanks
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[05:05:25] <kaon> so, nobody else running eclipse on Linux then?
[05:05:43] <kaje1> I'm running eclipse on Linux
[05:05:45] <d_a_carver> kaon: lots of people running on linux.
[05:05:55] <rcjsuen> kaon: I do, except I don't use the Eclipse from my distro's package management system.
[05:06:23] <d_a_carver> kaon: most of us like rcjsuen said get it from eclipse not our distros to run.
[05:06:32] <kaje1> I did -consoleLog -debug, but it isn't providing enough detail because there were no outputs from when the progress bar was at 0% until it froze at about 60%
[05:06:40] <kaon> neither do I - manual install
[05:07:56] <kaje1> kaon, it depends on how you did the manual install... If you just installed everything under you home directory, like I did, you don't need to sudo
[05:08:12] <kaje1> If you put it in /opt or somewhere else that requires root, then you need to sudo
[05:08:51] <kaon> kaje1: thanks.  I installed in /usr/local so sudo it is.  Thanks.  Next time I'll prolly just do a local install and avoid the headache
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[05:09:27] <kaje1> I put it in my home directory because then I don't need to reinstall when my distro updates
[05:09:32] <jonkri> how come eclipse automatically imports what i need when i paste code but not when i write it? :)
[05:10:15] <kaje1> if you highlight what needs importing and hit Ctrl+Shift+M it will import it for you
[05:10:17] <rcjsuen> jonkri: That never occurred to me and has never really bothered me.
[05:10:53] <rcjsuen> Ctrl+Shift+O and 'Save' is good enough for me.
[05:11:00] <jonkri> rcjsuen: what bothers me is that i have to import everything i use
[05:11:06] <kaje1> any thoughts on how I can trouble shoot this locking startup rcjsuen?
[05:11:20] <jonkri> rcjsuen: instead of javax.swing.JLabel being imported automaticlly
[05:11:27] <jonkri> for example
[05:11:28] <rcjsuen> jonkri: just use the * then
[05:11:41] <jonkri> rcjsuen: i want to keep track of what i'm importing
[05:11:51] <rcjsuen> jonkri: then file an enhancement request
[05:11:58] <jonkri> ok
[05:12:13] <jonkri> thanks
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[05:12:19] <rcjsuen> since imports are organized when i save
[05:12:22] <rcjsuen> it doesn't really bother me
[05:12:30] <jonkri> i see
[05:12:37] <ijuma> jonkri: have you tried save actions?
[05:12:38] <rcjsuen> kaje1: No, if the logs show nothing, then there isn't much we can go on.
[05:12:52] <jonkri> ijuma: no, i don't know what that is
[05:12:57] <ijuma> jonkri: the organise imports that rcjsuen mentioned is useful in that sense
[05:13:22] <ijuma> jonkri: search for it in the preferences
[05:14:04] <jonkri> ok, thanks
[05:16:29] <mannex> rcjsuen, "	eclipse-SDK-3.3.2-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz" is obviously the 64bit i'm looking for correct?
[05:16:37] <rcjsuen> yes
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[05:20:48] <kaje1> where in the .metadata directory does it store configuration information for projects?
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[09:00:33] <Zeti> hi
[09:00:54] <Zeti> perhaps I'm just a bit stupid right now, but hos do you install the jdt?
[09:01:05] <Zeti> anything i added to the feature wizard claims it needs 3.4
[09:03:41] <Zeti> or org.eclipse.jdt
[09:03:47] <Zeti> but where do i get that
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[09:13:12] <legendi|work> mourning
[09:14:37] <Zeti> hi
[09:14:49] <Zeti> you know how to install the jdts manually?
[09:15:04] <legendi|work> you mean jdt, right?
[09:15:08] <legendi|work> the java dev. tools
[09:15:10] <legendi|work> sure
[09:15:12] <Zeti> yes
[09:15:22] <Zeti> what do i have to enter into the wiozard?
[09:15:40] <legendi|work> Help --> Software Updates --> Find and Install
[09:15:46] <Zeti> yes there
[09:15:49] <Zeti> where to go?
[09:15:57] <legendi|work> ok, one sec, gonna check it for you
[09:16:04] <Zeti> thx
[09:16:13] <legendi|work> which version of Eclipse did you download?
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[09:16:33] <Zeti> Eclipse Platform
[09:16:33] <Zeti> Version: 3.3.2
[09:17:17] <legendi|work> ok, but there are several ones, like the "Classic", C++, etc.
[09:17:25] <Zeti> c++
[09:17:26] <legendi|work> you got it here, right? http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
[09:17:28] <Zeti> long time ago
[09:17:30] <legendi|work> oh, okay
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[09:18:13] <legendi|work> ok, it is called "Eclipse Project SDK"
[09:18:28] <legendi|work> there are the jdt-related plugins
[09:18:39] <Zeti> which repository?
[09:18:52] <legendi|work> oh, sry, no those are the devel stuff :D
[09:19:02] <legendi|work> use the Europa Discovery Site
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[09:19:06] <Zeti> k
[09:19:09] <Zeti> gimme a sec
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[09:19:49] <Zeti> found it
[09:19:52] <legendi|work> the tools you need shoud be under the Java Development section
[09:19:53] <legendi|work> great
[09:20:14] <Zeti> i want to take a look at the nebula gallery
[09:20:27] <Zeti> any idea why it didn't function on my other os (eclipse classic)?
[09:20:57] <Zeti> i copied it following the instructions to the plugins folder
[09:21:12] <Zeti> but the promised view didn#t appear in the respective window
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[09:21:26] <legendi|work> dunno, you should searhc the logs for any possible errors
[09:21:38] <legendi|work> maybe just a start with -clean could resolve these things
[09:25:26] <Zeti> i'm trying now :-P
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[09:36:18] <Zeti> the eclipse servers are always so slow -_-
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[09:47:19] <Radit> hello, is anybody there?
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[09:47:36] <legendi|work> usally :-)
[09:47:59] <Radit> hehe.. hi :-) can i ask questions?
[09:48:08] <legendi|work> of course ,]
[09:48:42] <jink> Don't ask to ask, just ask.  If someone online knows, they'll reply.
[09:49:59] <Radit> can i use eclipse for php?
[09:50:14] <mefisto> yes
[09:50:38] <legendi|work> ~tell Radkit about php
[09:50:39] <KOS-MOS> Radkit: Take a look at PDT (http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/) or PHPEclipse (http://www.phpeclipse.de)
[09:53:02] <mefisto> Radit,   http://www.zend.com/en/products/studio/for-i5os (zend for eclipse) , http://www.aptana.com/php/ (Aptana PHP plugin)
[09:53:26] <Radit> thx.. but, I already have eclipse for java, should download and install pdt, or there are some php plugins? will there bill any conflicts if i install pdt?
[09:53:31] <mefisto> so , there are few .. emm .. small chances to do php on eclipse
[09:53:59] <mefisto> in eclipse you can add everything (more or less) through update sites
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[09:54:43] <dongs> hello.
[09:54:43] <Radit> mefisto: do you mean all i need to do is install a plugin to enable php support?
[09:54:50] <dongs> " then simply add the file FreeRTOS/Demo/Common/Minimal/Flash.c to your build and add the call to vStartLEDFlashTasks() manually."
[09:54:57] <legendi|work> installing pdt shouldn't cause any problems
[09:54:58] <dongs> how do I "add the file to your build"
[09:55:34] <mefisto> Radit, if you already have Eclipse , you can just add plugin and change pespective
[09:56:06] <dongs> anyone know.
[09:56:30] <Radit> legendi: thx for your input..
[09:56:35] <Radit> mefisto: how do you that?
[09:57:01] <mefisto> help > software update > find and install
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[09:57:48] <mefisto> for each tool (pdt, zend, phpeclipse, aptana) has a screenshot sepbystep guide
[09:57:56] <mefisto> *step-by-step
[09:58:35] <dongs> hello DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION
[09:58:52] <dongs> how fucking complicated is it to "add a source file to build". Ive been right-clicking on every fucking thing in the file list tree and I do not see how its done.
[09:59:27] <Radit> hehe.. mefisto, maybe you can help?
[10:00:01] <legendi|work> dongs: plz calm down, this is not the place to argue like this - if no one answers you, then it because no one does cdt here
[10:00:20] <dongs> how is that even remotely relevant
[10:00:28] <dongs> i just want to add a file to the project list
[10:00:33] <legendi|work> one possible solution could be the project specific settings in the pop-up menu of the project
[10:00:43] <Zeti> i'm taking a look
[10:00:43] <dongs> surely this task is common among any of eclipse variations
[10:01:39] <legendi|work> check the build properties there
[10:01:48] <Zeti> isn't it simply importing a file from the filesystem?
[10:02:47] <Radit> mefisto: how do you do this? I'm confused, sorry..
[10:03:50] <mefisto> Radit, http://www.aptana.com/docs/index.php/Plugging_Aptana_into_an_existing_Eclipse_configuration
[10:03:55] <mefisto> look at thies
[10:04:03] <mefisto> (im not saying that you must use aptana)
[10:04:24] <mefisto> thats just first one i can remember with step-by-sep guide of install
[10:04:51] <Radit> mefisto: thx.. so what do you recommend?
[10:05:51] <Zeti> Radit: : I like PDT better
[10:05:56] <Zeti> and it's really simple
[10:06:05] <Zeti> go to the feature install wizard
[10:06:09] <Zeti> add the pdt site
[10:06:11] <Zeti> and hit finish
[10:06:23] <Zeti> then create a php project and you are ready to go
[10:07:02] <mefisto> i like aptana , because i do quite much css/js
[10:07:14] <mefisto> so guys at my work are uzing zend
[10:07:21] <mefisto> so , its only matter of choice
[10:07:34] <mefisto> "Think for yourself, question authority"
[10:07:35] <mefisto> =P
[10:08:24] <Radit> hehe.. I see.. Thanks for the input guys.. Maybe I will try both and see which one suites me..
[10:08:51] <Radit> Thx for your help :-)
[10:09:32] <Radit> I gotta go, see ya, hehe..
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[10:11:22] <Zeti> i remember pdt complteing js too
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[10:52:14] <Segata> i dont get this i only added the line #include <QtSql> to this Qt project, rightclicking->open declaration opens the include file, but mingw32-make still complains that there is no such file. (btw this does compile w/o complaints on kdevelop)
[10:52:32] <Segata> anybody got an idea how to fix it?
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[10:53:57] <Segata> i have the feeling that the paths listed in "Includes" really doesn change a thing
[10:56:20] <Segata> ok fixed, there was a missing option in the qt project file...
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[11:12:46] <E_mE> hi, i keep getting this error: Could not initialize the application's security component.  with Eclipse PDT
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[11:16:32] <Skaag> is it possible the eclipse project releases updated packages to mirrors on a daily basis, sometimes several times a day?
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[12:04:47] <mmarques> hello, can someone explain to me how does the JDT uses the AST to perform syntax verification and how can I do the same in an editor i'm developing?
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[12:12:46] <legendi|work> mmarques: it uses the java compiler afaik, but check the JavaReconciler and JavaReconcilerStrategy classes
[12:14:06] <legendi|work> I guess they haven't written a parser to buid an AST
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[12:15:42] <mmarques> do you know if the syntax highlight is based on the AST or on static keywords?
[12:15:59] <legendi|work> hm, guess its not
[12:16:39] <legendi|work> I'm working on a compiler and an Eclipse plugin for it, and we use properties files for keywords/function descriptors :-)
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[12:17:06] <legendi|work> but maybe there're smarter solutions for doing it :-)
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[12:17:27] <KKDoWniNg> ~bug
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[12:19:19] <mmarques> so, AST is just for syntax verification ?
[12:19:32] <KKDoWniNg> ~bug
[12:19:33] <geir2> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/
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[12:24:44] <mmarques> also, is there any documentation on the reconciler/damager strategy?
[12:25:29] <legendi|work> guess there are some example plugins by default (an xml editor iirc)
[12:27:36] <legendi|work> oooh, here's what you need mmarques: http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs
[12:28:37] <legendi|work> check "Implementing Support for Your Own Language"
[12:31:15] <mmarques> wow, thankx
[12:31:17] <mmarques> s
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[12:31:33] <mmarques> i think the eclipse documentation is a little caotic
[12:31:34] <mmarques> :P
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[12:46:10] <mmarques> that FAQ does not talk about AST to syntax repair
[12:46:11] <mmarques> :/
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[13:15:54] <E_mE> is there an eclipse PDT channel?
[13:16:12] <legendi|work> yes, there is iirc
[13:16:18] <legendi|work> #pdt :-)
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[13:18:08] <mmarques> legendi|work will you use AST in your editor ?
[13:18:30] <E_mE> does anyone know why i'm getting the error: Could not initialize the application's security component.??!?!?!
[13:18:38] <legendi|work> we're in a strange position due we are using javacc to generate the AST
[13:19:07] <legendi|work> and we use the AST only to create a representation of the written source
[13:19:41] <legendi|work> E_mE: what does the logs are saying? you should take a look there, maybe we get some hints
[13:20:26] <legendi|work> ~tell E_mE about info
[13:20:26] <KOS-MOS> E_mE: Please state a) your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), b) operating system (Windows, Linux, OSX, etc.), c) your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your ~logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), d) your Eclipse version, and e) where did you download Eclipse from.
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[13:39:44] <Segata> I have my MinGW include paths added to this (c++/qt) project, but the compiler cant find the header files in those dirs, anybody got an idea how to fix this?
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[13:54:25] <Azoff> hello
[13:54:43] <Azoff> is there any way to manually refresh the C/C++ index in cdt?
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[14:03:36] <tilmann> Azoff: select project, right-click and choose Index -> Rebuild
[14:04:16] <Azoff> tilmann: ahh, thanks!
[14:04:28] <tilmann> np :)
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[14:27:44] <Moult> hello, i'm rather new to IDEs, what makes eclipse useful to programmers?
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[14:27:58] <mcp__> I'm debugging a C/C++ console application. My application handles Ctrl+C. But eclipse does not pass Ctrl+C to the debugged application. Is there another way to send Ctrl+C?
[14:28:30] <mcp__> Moult: plugins make eclipse useful to programmers
[14:28:47] <Moult> mcp__ can you be a bit more specific?
[14:30:49] <mcp__> Moult:eclipse is the sum of all it's plugins. So, when there is a plugin that does what you want, then eclipse will be useful to you
[14:31:17] <Moult> mcp__ can you give me the function of a well known popular plugin
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[14:31:34] <robot_jesus> subclipse , integrates svn
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[14:33:05] <Moult> anything else?
[14:33:07] <mcp__> Moult: java,python,php,c/c++,subclipse, there are websites that do nothing else than listing plugins
[14:33:44] <legendi|work> ~rwll Moult about plugins
[14:33:48] <legendi|work> ~tell Moult about plugins
[14:33:49] <KOS-MOS> Moult: Look for plug-ins at the Eclipse Plug-in Central (http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/) and EclipsePlugins (http://eclipse-plugins.info)
[14:34:59] <Moult> thank you, i will take a look now
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[14:47:01] <eilartt> is there a way to control the content of the statusbar?
[14:48:55] <eilartt> id' like to enlarge the part where it shows the caret position
[14:49:33] <eilartt> and maybe remove the 'Writable' label that is more less interesting to me
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[14:59:33] <nitind> eilartt: Yes, use a different editor contributor in your editor extension.
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[15:00:33] <eilartt> um, is this something that can be done from the gui?
[15:01:43] <nitind> No.
[15:02:16] <eilartt> ok, i'm talking as a final user that uses ecilpse for java developing
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[15:19:49] <gilead> instances of Color must be discarded after use because they're tied to a particular Device. What if a Color is created without reference to a Device (i.e. new Color(null,...)) -- does such instances have to be explicitly discarded as well?
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[15:35:59] <pschriner> gilead: doing a little google-searching: I think if you pass null it is assigned to your "current" display (whatever that may be?) - so of course you'd have to dispose it yourself. http://kickjava.com/src/org/eclipse/swt/graphics/Color.java.htm seems to confirm this, as Device.getDevice() is called in case that parameter is null
[15:38:13] <gilead> ah, I forgot about the obvious solution to take a look at the source code ;) Thanks pschriner! :)
[15:39:06] <pschriner> gilead: well that's the pleasure of Open Source projects :D
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[15:47:51] <slango> what eclipse files should be allowed to be version by Subversion?
[15:48:07] <slango> s/version/version controlled
[15:49:19] <mcp__> slango: when you right-click on a project, then Team->Share..., the default settings are ok
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[15:54:48] <slango> mcp__, I don't have a Team->Share...
[15:55:29] <mcp__> slango: do you have subclipse installed?
[15:55:37] <slango> mcp__, yep
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[15:57:17] <slango> I've got Sync w/ Repo, Commit, Update, Create Patch, Apply Patch, Branch/Tag, Merge, Switch to another B/t, Show History, Add to V Control, Add to svn:ignore, Show Properties, set Property, Revert, Edit Conflicts, Mark Resolved, Copy, Export, Congigure Branch/Tags,Cleanup
[15:57:28] <mcp__> slango: i get "Team->Share Project..." for projects that are not yet in subversion. I'd suggest to check your subclipse installation.
[15:57:48] <mcp__> slango: so your project is already in subversioon
[15:57:50] <slango> mcp__, ooooooooh!
[15:57:56] <slango> yeah, it is
[15:58:04] <slango> we were coming at this from different ways
[15:58:19] <slango> I'm wondering what should be in my svn:ignore
[15:59:09] <mcp__> slango: All files marked with a blue '?', but you are sure you dont want them in subversion
[15:59:54] <mcp__> slango: btw, there is a subclipse irc-channel somewhere out there. (At least i think so)
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[16:00:49] <rcjsuen> ultrasparc-: hi Rob
[16:02:16] <ultrasparc-> Hey, how are you Remi?
[16:02:35] <rcjsuen> ultrasparc-: great, I'm at EclipseCon right now
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[16:02:42] <rcjsuen> ultrasparc-: Did all your bosses leave you?
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[16:03:10] <ultrasparc-> I thought you might be.  Ya, it will be a quiet week.
[16:03:46] <ultrasparc-> Any plans after this semester?
[16:04:11] <slango> mcp__, it seems to want to add everything by default
[16:05:03] <rcjsuen> ultrasparc-: I'm planning to go to school again.
[16:05:37] <legendi|work> hm, rcjsuen, how many schools have you made so far? :D
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[16:07:00] <rcjsuen> legendi|work: a few
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[16:09:19] <rcjsuen> ultrasparc-: I was talking to Ian S though to see if he knew any companies in Europe for some internship opportunities. So if someone is interested in offering me an internship I'll probably choose to go there instead of going to school next term.
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[16:20:51] <ultrasparc-> Neat, any thoughts on where in Europe might be preferable?
[16:23:59] <robot_jesus> anyone at eclipse-con ?
[16:24:13] <rcjsuen> ultrasparc-: I'm looking at somewhere in the UK, but seems like there are lots of opportunities in Germany and some in France.
[16:24:57] <rcjsuen> robot_jesus: I'm there right now.
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[16:31:14] <vwegert> Hi all. I'm seeing a strange issue with an Ant builder on OS X
[16:31:30] <vwegert> "XML parser factory has not been configured correctly: Provider org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserFactoryImpl not found"
[16:32:16] <ct529> why is the eclipse update always such a painful process?
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[16:34:18] <ct529> and why does it disable the features but not uninstall them even if they are not needed anymore?
[16:36:38] <ct529> I keep getting too many open files errors, they do not allow me to complete the process properly ....
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[16:43:26] <rcjsuen> ct529: The updating mechanism is getting a rewrite in 3.4.
[16:45:19] <ct529> rcjsuen: thnak
[16:45:48] <ct529> rcjsuen: it is unbearable, I am trying to convince our research group to switch from MS Visual studio to eclipse
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[16:55:21] <dude707> I am a Java newbie. I have developed a simple application using Eclipse that uses lots of external Jar files and would like to have a stand alone application that runs externally
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[16:56:12] <dude707> Also, I would like to have all the dependencies (external Jar files) to be included with the application to allow the user to run it witout further confiugration
[16:56:33] <dude707> How can Eclipse help me do this ?
[16:56:52] <dude707> Currently I run the application using the Run command from within Eclipse with no problems
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[16:58:28] <rcjsuen> I think you need to create a jar
[16:58:32] <rcjsuen> and have that jar include your other jars
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[16:58:45] <rcjsuen> and the classpath needs to be managed somehow, i'm not sure how to go around doing that tho
[16:58:48] <rcjsuen> Ians: Hi Ian ;)
[16:58:49] <dude707> any guide or tutorial that shows how to do this ?
[16:59:10] <rcjsuen> there might be an ~faq I'm not sure
[16:59:11] <KOS-MOS> Please see the FAQs http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs
[16:59:16] <Ians> hi remy
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[17:15:37] <dragonex> Hi - how can I get hold of an Action defined in another plugin and execute() it?
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[17:20:21] <rcjsuen> dragonex: That's probably not easy, if even possible.
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[17:20:27] <rcjsuen> dragonex: Please explain "why".
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[17:20:58] <dragonex> well ...
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[17:21:20] <dragonex> i have an editor that when it saves, i wish to commit to SVn
[17:21:43] <dragonex> so i'm hoping to call a CommitAction within the subclipse plugins
[17:21:43] <rcjsuen> Are you sure you want to do that?
[17:21:43] <rcjsuen> That's a lot of commits o.O
[17:21:43] <dragonex> yer i know
[17:21:47] <dragonex> its not for a public plugin
[17:22:00] <ct529> rcjsuen: it is really a proble, we cannot update installations because there are "too many files open" and we cannot start eclipse as normal users because of the same reason
[17:22:02] <dragonex> its a bizarre little workaround for something - which causes me much pain :)
[17:22:16] <ijuma> dragonex: i am glad you know it's bizarre :)
[17:22:37] <ijuma> dragonex: isn't local history enough for you?
[17:22:44] <dragonex> ijuma: yer, i know ;) its for a very odd usage of svn tbh
[17:23:11] <rcjsuen> ct529: well, i dunno, i only use one plug-in so i've never faced that problem
[17:23:54] <dragonex> so looking at the subclipse plugins i can see the CommitAction which is called from the Object contribution
[17:24:05] <dragonex> but how to call that in code - from anothe rplugin .. well beyond me ;)
[17:24:07] <ct529> :(
[17:24:29] <ct529> rcjsuen: thanks .... I have to go, see you later
[17:24:32] <dragonex> just wondering if tehre is a way to grab a global action and execute - as if youd clicked on button essentially
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[17:26:16] <rcjsuen> dragonex: The guy that knows how isn't here right now. (If even possible)
[17:26:27] <dragonex> hehe
[17:27:08] <dragonex> np - thanks for the thoughts ;)
[17:27:43] <rcjsuen> dragonex: I mean, you could technically just copy their commit code possibly.
[17:28:07] <dragonex> the thought had crossed my mind ... last resort though ;)
[17:28:24] <dragonex> but potentially yer
[17:28:34] <rcjsuen> if all else falis
[17:28:39] <rcjsuen> just put a breakpoint and see how its run
[17:28:42] <rcjsuen> and write similar code ;)
[17:29:38] <dragonex> :)
[17:29:47] <dragonex> ok - i'll go have aplay, thanks
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[17:49:23] <rcjsuen> mmarques: what are you looking for in editors
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[17:50:46] <mmarques> syntax verification with AST
[17:51:06] <mmarques> and probably syntax highlight with AST (?)
[17:51:24] <mmarques> the JDT use syntax highlight with AST or keywords?
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[17:52:11] <rcjsuen> Probably.
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[17:52:21] <rcjsuen> You should probably look at JDT's source viewer configuration
[17:52:23] <rcjsuen> and see how they do it
[17:52:30] <rcjsuen> just run F4 on SourceViewerConfiguration
[17:52:33] <rcjsuen> and try to find their implementation
[17:52:38] <pimpf> someone seen lemmy recently? I want to meet him here on the eclipseocn
[17:52:39] <pimpf> con
[17:53:15] <rcjsuen> pimpf: i've seen him
[17:53:18] <rcjsuen> yesterday and today
[17:53:37] <pimpf> so, he comes around every now and then...
[17:53:39] <pimpf> good. ;>
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[17:54:21] <mmarques> rcjsuen thx
[17:54:39] <mmarques> I wanted a simpler example though
[17:54:39] <mmarques> :P
[17:54:55] <mmarques> jdt code is complex for begginers
[17:55:01] <mmarques> but i will try
[17:55:05] <mmarques> thanks
[17:55:14] <rcjsuen> well
[17:55:24] <rcjsuen> i can't imagine ast syntax highlighting to be very easy tbh ;)
[17:55:38] <mmarques> :)
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[18:06:29] <spackest> howdy, I am wondering how to detect that a view has been switched to
[18:06:54] <spackest> I would like to do something each time a certain view comes up
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[18:33:36] <nitind> spackest: Check the org.eclipse.ui.IPartService interface as made available in your current page, org.eclipse.ui.IWorkbenchPage .
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[18:34:12] <rcjsuen> spackest: There's an IPartListener you can use
[18:34:28] <rcjsuen> that might be what you want
[18:34:30] <rcjsuen> ~api IPartListener
[18:34:31] <KOS-MOS> org.eclipse.ui.IPartListener - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/ui/IPartListener.html
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[18:45:28] <Tessien> surprisingly quiet, given that the con is happening.
[18:45:43] <rcjsuen> Tessien: some people are still online
[18:45:59] <Tessien> I thought folks'd be logged on from the con. I am.
[18:46:01] <rcjsuen> Tessien: Who might you be? Are you in the lounge upstairs?
[18:46:05] <rcjsuen> So am I.
[18:46:16] <rcjsuen> There's a few others too.
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[18:57:37] <MontyCarleau> Does anyone know what to do when Eclipse displays red-underlines under all of the project's assets?
[18:58:08] <rcjsuen> MontyCarleau: try project / clean/
[18:58:08] <rcjsuen> close/reopen the project
[18:58:11] <rcjsuen> and other combinations pof that
[18:58:14] <rcjsuen> (workspace, restart eclipse, etc)
[18:58:19] <rcjsuen> or your project could just be borked
[18:58:25] <rcjsuen> hard to say without more info
[18:58:42] <MontyCarleau> The project runs fine.
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[19:07:12] <nitind> MontyCarleau: Depends on what the red underlines say.
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[19:09:46] <MontyCarleau> Things like ConfigException, Log4j variables, etc.
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[19:10:20] <rcjsuen> sounds like your build path is off
[19:10:23] <rcjsuen> or jdt hasn't refreshed it anyway
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[19:10:48] <spackest> nitind and rcjsuen: thanks, just what I needed :)
[19:10:56] <spackest> you all at the con?
[19:11:03] <rcjsuen> spackest: nitind and I are, yes.
[19:11:10] <spackest> how goes it?  anything totally exciting?
[19:11:11] <rcjsuen> and other people, lemmy, paulweb515_
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[19:12:23] <rcjsuen> spackest: i'm busy figuring out which sessions i want to go to
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[19:23:43] <Ktron> How do I specify that I want a jar (produced by ant) to contain foo/bar/ and not bin/foo/bar/ in Eclipse?
[19:25:59] <gilead> Ktron: <fileset>
[19:27:44] <Ktron> gilead, so how do I control that from build.properties and the MANIFEST.MF? I can't hand edit the build.xml
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[19:29:36] <gilead> if you can't edit build.xml and it doesn't do what you want I guess you're screwed
[19:29:37] <Ktron> No, there's a way to specify in the build.properties/MANIFEST.MF, I'm sure of it, so that the build.xml that Eclipse generates from them is correct
[19:29:39] <gilead> Ktron: or you can override the task you want to change and call ant with -buildfile parameter
[19:30:13] <gilead> you didn't say that build.xml is autogenerated
[19:30:33] <Ktron> gilead, no, at work we have a build system that generates the build.xml from Eclipse, and then calls ant against the generated build.xml automatically; I can't change that, but I know other people solve this problem
[19:30:47] <Ktron> gilead, sorry, it is
[19:30:57] <gilead> is it some well-known utility to generate build.xml files?
[19:31:06] <Ktron> its the PDE tools in Eclipse
[19:31:20] <gilead> ah, then I'm not the guy to ask :)
[19:31:31] <Ktron> generating off of the MANIFEST.MF... okay :)
[19:31:36] <gilead> btw, you should have mentioned that in the beginning :)
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[19:44:12] <thinkling> is it possible to customize the search command inside Eclipse to skip .svn directories?
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[19:50:59] <nitind> whatever made those folders should be handling that for you.
[19:52:03] <thinkling> say what?
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[19:56:33] <philk_> anything live from EclipseCon that we can watch?
[19:57:15] <njbartlett> Sorry philk_, if you want it live you have to actually come here ;-)
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[19:58:09] <philk_> njbartlett: now what are *you* doing here in chat? Don't you have to prepare some presentations? :-P
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[19:59:03] <njbartlett> philk_: Yes you're right, I do
[19:59:40] <philk_> njbartlett: in times of Internet and OSGi I thought there would be an OSGi based streaming server pushing HD vids of the conf out the world for people who could not convince their employer to send them to the conf, hehe
[20:00:00] <philk_> njbartlett: so how is it going?
[20:00:16] <njbartlett> philk_: They could do that, but I imagine it would increaase the registration price. It all has to be paid for
[20:00:35] <njbartlett> philk_: Okay. My tutorial in the morning was pretty tough... i think I expected a bit too much in terms of getting people to write code
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[20:00:46] <njbartlett> And 2 hours is just too short
[20:01:28] <philk_> njbartlett: what was the tutorial about?
[20:02:35] <njbartlett> OSGi services
[20:02:57] <philk_> njbartlett: any code you can share? I remember you offered me some kind of Config Admin UI that you have implemented?
[20:03:41] <njbartlett> philk_: Yeah I'll get it to you shortly, but I have to concentrate on my presentations for tomorrow. Things will be a little less stressed after that. Sorry...
[20:04:20] <njbartlett> Got to go, TTYL
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[20:04:23] <Tessien> njbartlett: I quite enjoyed it. That sort of thing is always tough. You're always bouncing around the room fixing people's installs etc. I'm curious how some of the talks that are providing a VMWare image will go.
[20:04:25] <Tessien> bah, he left.
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[20:04:56] <Tessien> he's back!
[20:05:13] <philk_> njbartlett: sure sure! no hurry... take time for your presentations... Wish you good luck! Need to hurry to shop
[20:05:27] <Tessien> njbartlett: I quite enjoyed it. That sort of thing is always tough. You're always bouncing around the room fixing people's installs etc. I'm curious how some of the talks that are providing a VMWare image will go.
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[20:05:51] <lestat> Hey guys
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[20:06:11] <njbartlett> Tessien: Ooh a vmware image, that's an idea. But you need to have vmware, which is not free on Mac OS...
[20:06:26] <Tessien> there's a free player they provide.
[20:06:29] <lestat> I would like to use sdljava to make a game, I'm using eclipse as an ide, but I can't find how to import sdljava into eclipse
[20:06:30] <njbartlett> Anyway I really do have to go, I just needed to get a phone number
[20:06:31] <Tessien> unless not for Mac.
[20:06:39] <njbartlett> Tessien: I'll check it out. Thanks
[20:06:55] <njbartlett> Of course they other issue with that is you end up forcing Windows people to use Linux...
[20:06:58] <njbartlett> Anyway, see you
[20:07:00] <Tessien> http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
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[20:07:21] <lestat> njbartlett: it's free on linux, maybe on mac too
[20:09:13] <lestat> is there someone who could help me please ?
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[20:19:10] <infocomp> hello
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[20:59:28] <Rajec> HI some good UML plugin ?
[21:00:13] <dominikg> ~searchplugins uml
[21:00:13] <KOS-MOS> Try searching for plug-ins: http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/modules.php?name=search&action=search&q=uml - http://www.eclipse-plugins.info/eclipse/search.jsp?query=uml
[21:01:48] <dominikg> wtf... for some reason, eclipseplugincentral does not return matches for uml.. check teir categories... there should be some ebout uml / modelling
[21:03:37] <Rajec> I found some and tried a few but without success
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[21:05:56] <infocomp> i read about an UML plugin called omondo
[21:08:21] <infocomp> for the time being i don't know of ny other i have to buy somme RAM so as to have an  usable eclipse
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[21:08:47] <dominikg> infocomp, Rajec left :/
[21:09:18] <infocomp> left ?
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[21:09:43] <rzec> is there a way to make sure that code completion popups automatically instead of having to hit ctrl-space every time?
[21:09:46] <infocomp> i didn't see him leave
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[21:11:16] <dominikg> rzec, you can reduce auto-trigger time and add more triggers in the preferences
[21:12:09] <rzec> thanks, i see it know
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[22:01:48] <Limo> Greetings, everyone!
[22:02:28] <rcjsuen> Limo: Hi
[22:02:47] <Limo> I have just finished installing Vista x64, and I have downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit versions of the JDK. I'm interested if there is perhaps a 64 bit Eclipse IDE out?
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[22:03:15] <rcjsuen> er....
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[22:03:31] <rcjsuen> yes
[22:03:41] <Limo> If that's the case I'll install the 64 bit JDK!
[22:03:44] <Limo> Where could I get it?
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[22:04:03] <rcjsuen> try download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads
[22:04:19] <Limo2> I remember there was an experimental 64 bit build, but that one hasn't been refreshed in ages.
[22:04:38] <rcjsuen> take a look at 3.4m5, i think there's one there
[22:05:04] <Limo2> Ok, sounds great
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[22:05:40] <Limo2> Yup! Early access. Found it. Great, perhaps now I'll be more 64 bit-ish.
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[22:06:11] <Limo2> Unfortunately, I'll still need to install the 32 bit JRE, I think. Because of the browser not being able to relate to the 64 bit version.
[22:07:46] <Limo2> Hm. I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm downloading the (ia64) version. Should I be getting the (x86_64) one?
[22:07:59] <rcjsuen> yes, x86_64 one
[22:08:11] <dominikg> limo, you can install multiple vms without a problem, but i think sun java6 can handle 64/32 bit transparently
[22:08:12] <Limo2> Ah, ok. But what's the difference?
[22:09:04] <Limo2> Dominikg - for some reason, firefox could never connect with the 64 bit JVM for me. I always ended up installing the 32 bit version for testing applets.
[22:09:04] <rcjsuen> ia64 = Itanium from intel
[22:09:17] <rcjsuen> unless you have an itanium processor
[22:09:20] <rcjsuen> which i doubt, but
[22:09:25] <Limo2> Aah... I have Intel Core Duo, but no Itanium.
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[22:10:35] <Limo2> Ok, thanx for the help on this matter, I hope everything turns out ok, with the jvm's.
[22:10:52] <Limo2> One question before I go... because it's been driving me silly for the last few years.
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[22:11:26] <Limo2> Whatever computer I use, whatever JVM is installed, I'm always having problems with Eclipse's .. hmm.. dialogs I guess
[22:11:55] <Limo2> They just turn up blank. The best examlpe would be when selecting the Run As ... on my Java project application
[22:12:05] <rcjsuen> Limo2: known bug on 64-bit, use 3.4m5
[22:12:18] <Limo2> Ah, great. Then I'm not crazy. Thanx.
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[22:13:34] <Limo2> Ok, I'm installing 64 bit jdk now. Strange how it's almost twice smaller than the 32 bit counterpart...
[22:14:47] <dominikg> Limo2, are you comparing the right packages? there are version with netbeans and without, with EE and without all for different osand the ordering is not consistent on suns website
[22:15:18] <Limo2> I have downloaded eclipse-SDK-3.4M5-win32-x86_64.zip to go with jdk-6u5-windows-x64.exe
[22:15:28] <Limo2> It looks like pure JDK, just installed it.
[22:15:50] <Limo2> Hm... still not in my environment variables... Should I reboot, or just set it myself?
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[22:18:10] <dominikg> Limo2, in case you're talking about JAVA_HOMe, iirc suns installer does not set that
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[22:18:36] <dominikg> but it places a java.exe in system32 (or system64 in your case?)
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[22:18:47] <Limo2> W00T! It's booting! (Ganymede edition, 3.4M5)
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[22:19:31] <dominikg> anyways, if you want to use a specific vm for eclipse its best to use the -vm commandline argument (or add it to eclipse.ini)
[22:19:37] <Limo2> Oh, wow. I didn't expect it to go so smooth. :) Thanx for the help guys, I wouldn't have found the 64 bit build by myself.
[22:19:39] <Limo2> I'm blind.
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[22:20:15] <Limo2> Yeah, I'll do that. Along with setting up the Xmx for Eclipse. thanx.
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[22:20:56] <Limo2> Bye now, and I hope I won't come back to bug you ^^
[22:21:04] <prencher> where to download libs to get jstl content assist? cant seem to find the ones it wants
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[22:21:15] <dominikg> if not to bug us, come back for the nice community or to help others :)
[22:21:23] <dominikg> damn ;)
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[22:27:04] <prencher> anybody? the jsp stuff is definitely there, but eclipse aint recognising it to provide content assist
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[22:28:14] <dominikg> prencher, you can stick around a bit, some questions get answered later when ppl read the logs. or you can ask in the newsgroups
[22:28:18] <dominikg> ~newsgroups
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[22:28:23] <dominikg> ~news
[22:28:24] <KOS-MOS> Try asking for help on the newsgroups - http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups/
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[22:29:18] <dominikg> in your case eclipse.webtools
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[22:47:22] <Radit> anyone here use aptana?
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[22:56:49] <kaje1> I have completely installed the latest stable eclipse, updated to java 6 update 5, and deleted my old workspace. However, whenever I try to create a new RCP application, I get through the wizard and when I click finish it locks up... someone please help!
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[23:02:08] <dominikg> ~tell kaje1 about logs
[23:02:09] <KOS-MOS> kaje1: Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. From within Eclipse, try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[23:03:34] <dominikg> Radit, you can try #aptana aswell
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[23:03:55] <kaje1> ~pastebin
[23:03:55] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
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[23:05:07] <kaje1> http://pastebin.com/d5384b687
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[23:06:00] <pepper> hello
[23:06:48] <dominikg> kaje1, is that a log from after it locks up?
[23:06:53] <dominikg> ~deadlock
[23:06:54] <KOS-MOS> In a deadlock? http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/How_to_report_a_deadlock
[23:07:01] <kaje1> yes
[23:07:01] <dominikg> try that aswell
[23:07:48] <pepper> may i ask a question? how can i change the default encoding (opening & saving) in eclipse? im using eclipse for linux (utf-8) and the other guys im working with use windows
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[23:08:51] <dominikg> pepper, you can change the default encoding for new files in a project in the projects preferences. you have to reencode existing files manually tho
[23:10:07] <dominikg> there is/was a request to change the default to utf8 on all platforms, iirc it was rejected because the default should always come from the platform (cp1252 on windows) let me see if i can find it
[23:11:10] <pepper> dominikg: ok thanks.. its my first day on eclipse, still a bit confusing :)
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[23:12:31] <kaje1> Here is the thread dump: http://pastebin.com/d70f563b
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[23:12:56] <kaje1> If I'm reading that right, it is saying that all the threads are waiting or available to be run, but not running
[23:16:33] <kaje1> I'm actually at eclipsecon right now, but I don't know how to find the right person to look at this problem with me
[23:17:01] <kaje1> its very frustrating because I can't follow along the tutorials because it keeps freezing up when I try to create a new RCP
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[23:20:04] <dominikg> pepper: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t93442.rhtml  / https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=108668
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[23:26:17] <dominikg> kaje1, i'm not an expert in reading thread dumps but it looks like the main thread is busy with searching for printers... did you install one recently or changed any drivers / tried to print something from within eclipse etc?
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[23:26:38] <pepper> dominikg: i found a way to define iso-whatever as default
[23:26:45] <kaje1> no, I'm on a different network though... so, my network printers aren't available
[23:27:29] <pepper> this works for me, though i hope the other guys im working with still can read my changes :)
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[23:31:18] <kaje1> DOMINIKG! You are my hero man... I shutdown cups and it is working now! Thank you so much for your help. I can't tell you how extremely aggravating this has been for me...
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[23:32:48] <dominikg> pepper: you should agree on one encoding and use that on all machines. cp1252 is kind of a synonym for iso8859-x http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-15 so if you use that on linux machines and windows users keep using cp1252 it should be ok
[23:32:57] <dominikg> kaje1, np. glad i could help
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[23:39:13] <infocomp> good night
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