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[00:00:13] <rcjsuen> Totally.
[00:00:23] <rcjsuen> I couldn't have said it better myself.
[00:00:25] <TheBase> How big will my stack get? o.O Cha cha cha chaaa.....
[00:00:50] <ijuma> TheBase: for the record, such a huge stack won't be good for scalability. Why does your method call itself 8000 times?
[00:01:13] <TheBase> it calculates the factorial
[00:01:26] <ijuma> is this for homework?
[00:01:27] <rcjsuen> maybe you should use the onn-recursion method?
[00:01:43] <ijuma> otherwise what rcjsuen said
[00:01:53] <TheBase> I'm running with 2m stack and just got the factorial for 20000. How exciting!
[00:02:04] <TheBase> ijuma, yes :p
[00:02:10] <rcjsuen> I think having my computer crash is more exciting.
[00:02:20] <rcjsuen> TheBase: I wouldn't worry about it then.
[00:02:37] <rcjsuen> Unless if the teacher specifically said he/she would input 8000!.
[00:02:41] <TheBase> I already have my X-windows fglrx to crash
[00:03:00] <rcjsuen> Well, X shouldn't crash when your VM crashes actually.
[00:03:20] <TheBase> Do you guys wanna know what the factorial of 20000 is ?
[00:03:37] <ijuma> i am interested in 2000000
[00:03:50] <ijuma> can you calculate that for us?
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[00:04:07] <rcjsuen> Sounds like a noble cause.
[00:04:09] <TheBase> rcjsuen, I'm seriouly considering moving my linux to a vm but I don't think I can run a 64bit linux on it.
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[00:04:25] <rcjsuen> When I say VM I meant JVM by the way.
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[00:05:09] <TheBase> ijuma, I'll leave it running tonight. If you're here tomorrow I give you the result
[00:05:26] <ijuma> TheBase: thanks!
[00:05:28] <TheBase> rcjsuen, oh. ok
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[00:12:07] <rcjsuen> If there's a bug with the Project Explorer with a representatio nof a Java source folder, would you say it's sa JDT or a Platform bug?
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[00:29:38] <TheBase> I'm off to finish my work
[00:29:41] <TheBase> laters
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[00:30:00] <TheBase> and thanks again for the help
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[00:50:42] <ijuma> breadcrumbs would work better if all editors had them
[00:51:21] <benny`work> breadcrumps sucks :)
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[00:52:03] <benny`work> safak, solved the jst thing?
[00:53:02] <rcjsuen> ijuma: You use them? I don't.
[00:53:41] <benny`work> rcjsuen, ijuma it's the first thing i disable in a new eclipse installation
[00:53:50] <ijuma> rcjsuen: i enabled them now to try them out
[00:54:12] <ijuma> rcjsuen: i think the idea is good, i don't use the package explorer much, but on occasion need to look at a package, whatever
[00:54:26] <ijuma> the breadcrumbs seemed like a nice and faster way
[00:54:41] <ijuma> also the blog entry describing the usage in that mode seemed interesting
[00:54:55] <ijuma> but having it disappear when another editor type is used... well annoying for sure
[00:55:20] <ijuma> benny`work: do you have some constructive criticism? ;)
[00:55:56] <rcjsuen> benny`work: isn't it disabled in your prefs anyway
[00:56:17] <rcjsuen> <ijuma> also the blog entry describing the usage in that mode seemed interesting
[00:56:18] <rcjsuen> mode?
[00:56:21] <benny`work> ijuma, oh no i just down like the approach of breadcrumps in my editor. worked already with that feature in other editors and just don't like them. having open type and quick outline is good enough
[00:56:42] <rcjsuen> I need camel casing in quick outline ;(((
[00:56:45] <ijuma> open type is indeed my favourite approach
[00:56:46] <benny`work> rcjsuen, at least as it was introduced it was enabled by default
[00:56:51] <rcjsuen> ah
[00:56:54] <benny`work> rcjsuen, there is an open bug. go and fix it ;)
[00:57:01] <rcjsuen> benny`work: I tried before
[00:57:04] <rcjsuen> Think I might have to break API.
[00:57:07] <rcjsuen> or something like that
[00:57:11] <rcjsuen> I might lok at it again later
[00:57:12] <benny`work> m6 is near ;)
[00:57:16] <rcjsuen> benny`work: I also used a vote on it
[00:57:21] <rcjsuen> that's how much i care lol
[00:57:28] <benny`work> :p
[00:58:03] <ijuma> rcjsuen: http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/jdtui/2008/02/11/34-m5-new-and-noteworthy-the-breadcrumb
[00:58:49] <ijuma> breadcrumbs were disabled for me, but i am using an existing workspace
[00:58:49] <benny`work> hm...i gave the context stuff of mylyn a new chance today...but it wasn't worth it :( had 3 tasks in parallel and after that most of my changes were in the right context but in the wrong change set :/
[00:59:15] <rcjsuen> I actually keep the PE up unlike most people
[00:59:48] <rcjsuen> ijuma: It hurts that they linked to my blog ;)
[01:00:57] <ijuma> benny`work: if you work with tasks in parallel, mylyn is not for you imho
[01:01:14] <ijuma> the idea is to close and open i would think
[01:01:58] <benny`work> ijuma, i think that IS the idea behind mylyn..switching between tasks by knowing the context. with switching i mean i activate task 1, then deactivate it and activate task 2 and so on
[01:02:14] <ijuma> rcjsuen: yeah, that was a slap in the face ;) PE is just a waste of space!
[01:02:29] <ijuma> benny`work: but then it's not in parallel ;)
[01:02:45] <ijuma> if that's what you meant, then it's weird
[01:02:49] <ijuma> i haven't had such problems
[01:02:52] <benny`work> ijuma, ok..parallel tasks with contexts ;)
[01:02:54] <rcjsuen> Maybe I should try having it minimized again.
[01:02:59] <rcjsuen> In the past it didn't work out
[01:03:04] <rcjsuen> I guess I could switch to crumbs + no PE
[01:03:13] <ijuma> rcjsuen: that's the idea :)
[01:03:28] <ijuma> not sure if it works though, since i am just trying it
[01:03:54] <ijuma> currently, i have the PE open, but with other views in the same view group, so it may not be in the foreground
[01:03:59] <rcjsuen> ijuma: Well I called it a prototype so I hope no one was putting it in their product :)
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[01:04:28] <rcjsuen> I recently moved JUnit from left to bottom
[01:04:35] <rcjsuen> since it was hard to read the assertion failure
[01:04:42] <rcjsuen> that seemed like a right choice
[01:04:45] <rcjsuen> I also have Outline open.
[01:04:48] <ijuma> rcjsuen: yeah i know. Just funny when someone goes, "If you plan to  use the Breadcrumb code in your product: Don?t do it! This code is very internal." while linking to your blog
[01:04:50] <rcjsuen> Even though I have Quick Outline.
[01:05:06] <rcjsuen> ijuma: Well, it was a valid fear ;)
[01:05:11] <rcjsuen> ijuma: Let's hope they listened to them and not me :)
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[01:05:19] <ijuma> hehe
[01:06:01] <rcjsuen> Now I have all this space and I don't know what to do with it ~.~
[01:06:10] <benny`work> ijuma, showing the contents in PE which are not in my context (yet) is possible with a shortcut i heard?! any idea?
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[01:07:27] <ijuma> benny`work: It's focus on active task, the shortcut seems to be alt-click
[01:07:32] <ijuma> what kind of shortcut is that?! ;)
[01:07:36] <ijuma> i guess you can remap
[01:07:45] <ijuma> but personally i don't use that
[01:07:51] <benny`work> alt-click is not the best idea on gtk ^_^
[01:07:54] <ijuma> i just use the changeset grouping and the task list
[01:08:55] <rcjsuen> benny`work: Reminds me a year or two ago, I couldn't figure out why this mouse listener didn't handle alt+left
[01:09:01] <rcjsuen> then i realized it was moving my Fluxbox window :)
[01:09:12] <benny`work> rcjsuen, :p
[01:09:29] <benny`work> rcjsuen, btw: any news on the model shell gtk bug?
[01:09:44] <benny`work> they should fix this thing as fast as possible
[01:09:45] <rcjsuen> benny`work: No, but I just hit it today :)
[01:09:50] <benny`work> me 2 :/
[01:09:52] <rcjsuen> funnily i iht it twice
[01:09:53] <rcjsuen> i hit it
[01:09:54] <rcjsuen> then i closed
[01:09:58] <ijuma> model shell gtk bug?
[01:09:59] <rcjsuen> "damn i shouldn't validate"
[01:10:03] <rcjsuen> then my hand just moved
[01:10:04] <rcjsuen> ahahahaha
[01:10:22] <rcjsuen> ~tell ijuma about 210451
[01:10:25] <rcjsuen> goin' afk
[01:10:25] <benny`work> ijuma, some modal dialog are blocking the whole ui on gtk
[01:10:28] <benny`work> rcjsuen, k
[01:10:35] <ijuma> i think i may have seen that
[01:10:44] <KOS-MOS> ijuma: Bug 210451 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=210451 - Platform / SWT / 3.4 - PC / Linux-GTK - NEW / normal / - Assignee:gheorghe at ca dot ibm.com - [GTK/Linux] Validation error dialog from launch configuration cannot be clicked on
[01:10:50] <benny`work> ijuma, validate plugins in pde launch configs
[01:10:56] <benny`work> that one
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[01:12:03] <queuetue> How do I find across an entire project?
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[01:12:53] <benny`work> queuetue, you mean search. hit ctrl+h
[01:13:10] <ijuma> benny`work & rcjsuen: thanks
[01:13:28] <queuetue> benny`work, Thanks.  I was stuck in the edit menu.
[01:14:06] <benny`work> ijuma, grrr....sometimes jdt makes me angry :/ time for a patch...
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[01:14:43] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: that's the best way to use release the tension ;)
[01:14:58] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: what problem is it?
[01:15:33] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, inling a synchronized method forgets to add a synchronize block with the right lock around the code
[01:15:54] <benny`patchslut> that can really hurt
[01:16:02] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: for sure
[01:17:10] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: better fix that quick ;)
[01:17:50] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, yep
[01:18:02] <benny`patchslut> test is red...just needs an implementation :)
[01:18:15] <ijuma> hardest part is done then!
[01:18:20] <benny`patchslut> that's something i love about jdt: there are so many tests and it's so easy to add new tests
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[01:19:25] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: that's the best way to have many tests, make it easy to add new ones :)
[01:19:41] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, yep
[01:19:56] <benny`patchslut> in the last monthes it makes more and more fun to work on jdt
[01:20:48] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: have you been doing much work on jdt lately?
[01:21:42] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, not that much..a bug here, a bug there, a new refactoring but there are some nice things in my workspace just waiting to be released
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[01:23:32] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: nice things are always interesting ;)
[01:23:34] <benny`patchslut> ahhhh....mylyns context isn't capable of regular resources in java files...i know why i never used that thing
[01:24:09] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, yeah...i also have some really exciting ideas for gsoc in conjunction with jdt...time will tell us ;)
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[01:24:46] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: capable of regular resources _in_ java files?
[01:25:03] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, java projects i mean
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[01:28:40] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: works for me
[01:29:01] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, hm ...let's try it again
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[01:29:39] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, PE with context, open resource, file is opened but not added to pe
[01:30:52] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: what is PE?
[01:30:59] <benny`patchslut> package explorer
[01:31:04] <ijuma> ah, sorry
[01:31:05] <ijuma> :)
[01:31:13] <benny`patchslut> :)
[01:31:30] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: i don't use that, i thought you were talking about adding things automatically to the changeset
[01:31:37] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: still, seems quite weird
[01:31:43] <ijuma> but can't say i have tried
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[01:32:35] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, yeah i love mylyn for bug lists...but everything which has to do with context doesn't work properly
[01:33:11] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, but looking at miks notebook when he's working is really cool...maybe it just works for the master itself ;)
[01:33:19] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: haha
[01:33:26] <ijuma> he knows all the quirks probably
[01:33:56] <ijuma> i find the changeset stuff cool though
[01:34:03] <ijuma> especially when my workspace is not clean
[01:34:14] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, yeah its cool...but it just happend today that it mixed up my files
[01:34:23] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: that is pretty uncool ;)
[01:34:51] <benny`patchslut> ijuma, commiting files which should not be committed isn't that cool
[01:35:38] <ijuma> benny`patchslut: yeah, very bad
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[03:07:20] <rcjsuen> ijuma: yeah that bug sucks
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[03:11:47] <rcjsuen> for Ganymede M5 packages, see http://www.eclipse.org/epp/ganymede.php
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[03:16:17] <freaka> hey guys
[03:16:23] <freaka> i have a workspace that i share between two puters
[03:16:25] <freaka> the one crashed
[03:16:31] <freaka> now the workspace is still 'locked'
[03:16:36] <freaka> how do i change that so that i can open it again?
[03:16:55] <rcjsuen> freaka: You could try removing the .lock file.
[03:16:59] <benny`patchslut> freaka, delete the .metadata/.lock file
[03:17:02] <rcjsuen> In workspace/.metadata/.lock.
[03:17:26] <freaka> i actually tried that
[03:17:38] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, it's really time to adress the bug regarding a dialog to remove the lock
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[03:18:12] <freaka> its probably an ftp sync issue
[03:18:29] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: Going to CVS diff 3.3 and 3.4?
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[03:19:23] <niloy> When I am openening the eclipse it shows message "error notifing a performance change". So I googled for this message and I find may be there has an old version of CDT in eclipse plugins.. So I need to unmerge the plugin and remerge the Newer CDT plugins.. Can any body help me to unmerge which things fom where to ummerge the cdt plugins and what should be the commands...
[03:19:41] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, ??
[03:19:50] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: Oh, whoops
[03:20:00] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: I read "dialog" and "lock" and just thought the modal dialog lock ;)
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[03:20:28] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, :p and diffing 3.3 and 3.4 for that bug is no option ;)
[03:20:38] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: Why is that?
[03:21:03] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, do you have a clue how many changes were made in that time? :)
[03:21:19] <rcjsuen> Well, probably a lot, but still ;)
[03:22:27] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, i think someone who knows what the problem could be should take a look at that
[03:22:40] <rcjsuen> well, that's what I hope too ;)
[03:23:02] <benny`patchslut> if it's not fixed with m6 let's diff together ;)
[03:24:20] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: I diffed R3_3_1_maintenance and HEAD with 'diff -ub' and it is 393 lines
[03:24:51] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, ok....did you only diff shell?
[03:24:58] <rcjsuen> yup, just Shell
[03:25:03] <rcjsuen> I see something that might be related
[03:25:15] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, give me a sec
[03:27:19] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: http://pastebin.ca/922892
[03:27:27] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: Maybe the change in line 44 is related
[03:28:41] <rcjsuen> Looks like it got moved to line 349
[03:28:51] <rcjsuen> or well, seems related possibly
[03:29:04] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, what about 50-60?
[03:29:35] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: yes, the 50-60 stuff might've been shifted to 349
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[03:32:32] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, i wonder how 430 is related to all this
[03:33:07] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: yeah, i'm curious about those new methods too, getModalShells(), updateModal() etc
[03:33:26] <noamc> I see some compile errors in pde.ui when I check out the PDE code (o.e.pde.core, o.e.pde.ui, o.e.pde) on 3.4M5... are there any other projects I need to check out to get pde.ui to build?
[03:33:43] <rcjsuen> noamc: well, that depends on the errors
[03:33:50] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, yep..looks queer
[03:34:52] <noamc> rcjsuen: both problems with the compiler not finding things in IHandlerService
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[03:35:13] <noamc> rcjsuen: also, hi Remy. I work in the cubicle across from your friend Sam :-)
[03:35:39] <rcjsuen> noamc: Oh, hi.
[03:36:09] <rcjsuen> noamc: You might need to checkout o.e.ui.workbench from HEAD then.
[03:36:31] <noamc> rcjsuen: alright, let me give that a shot
[03:36:41] <rcjsuen> At least, that's where that class is from.
[03:36:48] <rcjsuen> noamc: I see you work late nights unlike him ;)
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[03:38:53] <noamc> rcjsuen: haha, this is fun work. :)
[03:39:14] <rcjsuen> noamc: Good to hear.
[03:39:19] <noamc> rcjsuen: alright, the pde.ui errors are gone... I'm probably going to have to go hunting re: the errors in workbench :P
[03:39:28] <rcjsuen> noamc: I'll probably try to apply for the fall term and see how it goes.
[03:39:35] <rcjsuen> noamc: Workbench errors? You're probably missing IHandler2.
[03:39:46] <noamc> rcjsuen: yup... looks like it
[03:39:54] <rcjsuen> noamc: You need o.e.core.commands.
[03:39:57] <rcjsuen> noamc: I just had the same problem today ;)
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[03:40:08] <rcjsuen> It's usually not this bad, but y'know sometimes it just jumps all over the place :)
[03:41:26] <benny`patchslut> ok, time for bed now
[03:41:30] <rcjsuen> noamc: Are you going to EclipseCon?
[03:41:33] <rcjsuen> benny`patchslut: okay, ttyl benny, g'nite
[03:41:48] <benny`patchslut> rcjsuen, see ya tomorrow! g'nite
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[03:42:07] <noamc> rcjsuen: I wish!! I don't work on the tooling at RIM, so I'm not really eligible :(
[03:42:14] <rcjsuen> ah
[03:42:18] <noamc> rcjsuen: and I don't exactly have the personal funds for it :P
[03:42:47] <noamc> rcjsuen: how about you? are you headed there this year?
[03:42:58] <rcjsuen> noamc: I might go for a day and a half or so.
[03:43:09] <rcjsuen> I have classes, so I can't afford to lose much.
[03:43:20] <noamc> rcjsuen: ah, are you off-stream from Sam and me?
[03:43:34] <rcjsuen> noamc: I'm not in co-op. I just do whatever I want. ;)
[03:45:31] <noamc> rcjsuen: nice! that gives you a lot of time to do your own stuff. when I only have a week vacation to look forward to, I envy :P
[03:45:44] <noamc> rcjsuen: what are you in? CS?
[03:45:47] <rcjsuen> noamc: heheh
[03:45:57] <rcjsuen> noamc: I used to be in SE with Sam, I'm in general math now.
[03:47:46] <noamc> rcjsuen: can't blame you... a lot of people aren't happy with the SE program. I wonder if anyone is going to be left in SE by our 4B :P
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[03:48:16] * noamc loves his CS :)
[03:48:54] <rcjsuen> Well, at this late in the game, people have stopped failing or switching I would think.
[03:50:51] <noamc> hmm, that's a good point. though I heard back in first year about a guy in 4A SE that, during an all-nighter in the labs, had an epiphany and switched to bio... pretty drastic :O
[03:52:08] <noamc> but you're right, probably not a lot of people doing that
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[03:52:55] <noamc> lol... now I need to check out a JFace project too. guess there's been a lot of changes going on lately
[03:55:19] <noamc> and it builds! thanks Remy :)
[03:59:27] <rcjsuen> wow, 4A
[03:59:30] <rcjsuen> well, to each his own ;)
[04:00:27] <rcjsuen> noamc: So are you just looking at PDE code for fun then since you're not doing the tooling?
[04:03:04] <noamc> rcjsuen: bugday. It's been way too long since I've messed with PDE code and I want to jump back in :)
[04:03:23] <rcjsuen> ah
[04:08:24] <noamc> rcjsuen: I spent my last co-op term in IBM with the PDE team, but since I fail massively at time management I haven't gotten a chance to work on it since then... this is the first bug I'm taking on since August
[04:08:59] <rcjsuen> noamc: Ah, so you worked with PDE in Spring 2007?
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[04:10:46] <rcjsuen> I've not looked at much PDE code myself.
[04:11:50] <noamc> rcjsuen: yep, the only good term to be in Canada for, weather wise :P
[04:12:00] <rcjsuen> True.
[04:13:12] <rcjsuen> PDE must be tough though, supporting the different versions of Eclipse. Those evil launch configurations
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[04:14:24] <noamc> haha, I was spared the brunt of that... my work was in PDE/UI
[04:15:12] <rcjsuen> I like doing UI work myself too.
[04:15:49] <noamc> it's fun. Eclipse is my favourite to work with when it comes to UI... nothing else is really as easy to work with
[04:17:10] <rcjsuen> heheh
[04:18:39] <noamc> I've seen your name dropped quite a bit back when I was working on this full time. didn't know until I met Sam that you're at UW though... we should grab wings at Molly's some time
[04:19:18] <rcjsuen> noamc: Sam's brought you up a few times, though not with a name. ;)
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[04:20:52] <noamc> rcjsuen: "That guy I work with"? :P
[04:21:02] <rcjsuen> noamc: Yeah, something vague like that.
[04:21:38] <rcjsuen> noamc: I'm surprised you're not working on tooling if you have PDE exp under your belt.
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[04:22:17] <noamc> rcjsuen: I wouldn't mind, but I couldn't find anything listed... I don't think the eclipse tooling team was taking on a co-op
[04:22:33] <rcjsuen> noamc: I meant, I thought you would work on the BB plug-in.
[04:22:49] <noamc> rcjsuen: oh, yeah, that's what I meant too :)
[04:23:12] <rcjsuen> ah
[04:23:20] <noamc> noamc: I didn't even know of its existence until I got in and said "So... do I have to use your IDE? Can I just use Eclipse??"
[04:23:25] <rcjsuen> noamc: Yeah, I tried to go through my friend also and he said they said they don't want co-ops.
[04:23:54] * rcjsuen shakes his fists.
[04:24:14] <noamc> rcjsuen: yeah, it's too bad... there are some really cool teams out there that don't go for co-ops
[04:24:25] <rcjsuen> noamc: Their coolness levels would drop I guess.
[04:25:04] <noamc> rcjsuen: depends on the co-op :P
[04:25:36] <rcjsuen> well, co-op is a lot like fishing
[04:25:52] <rcjsuen> you have a pool of candidates
[04:25:57] <rcjsuen> you want someone
[04:26:00] <rcjsuen> but if they don't want you
[04:26:09] <rcjsuen> well, no matter how good your lure is, they ain't bitin'
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[04:26:50] <rcjsuen> Maybe they had some bad luck and didn't want to try again.
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[04:28:51] <noamc> probably. it's harder than it seems at first glance, and the ranking system makes it a little odd
[04:29:04] <noamc> half the companies try to subvert the ranking system anyway
[04:29:19] <rcjsuen> heheh
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[04:30:59] <noamc> when we were looking for my replacement at IBM, we had some bad luck. and two of the interviewees already had offers lined up... one came in a t-shirt, one mumbled his way through the interview
[04:31:10] <rcjsuen> hm
[04:32:08] <rcjsuen> How do you know they had offers lined up?
[04:32:52] <noamc> one of them I looked up later and put the pieces together, the other one was so clearly not trying that Wassim asked him outright
[04:34:10] <rcjsuen> ouch
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[04:35:16] <noamc> yeah... until then I had no idea that companies do that, but I can understand why now; you'll have a hard time getting the right candidate unless it's a 1-1 match
[04:36:13] <rcjsuen> yte
[04:36:14] <rcjsuen> ye
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[05:03:30] <noamc> rcjsuen: before I forget, it's awesome that the bot's name is KOS-MOS. was that your idea?
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[05:04:23] <rcjsuen> noamc: Yes, I wrote the code.
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[05:05:54] <noamc> rcjsuen: that's awesome. you have good taste in characters :D
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[05:08:45] <noamc> rcjsuen: is it hard to write a bot? I've never done it before
[05:08:50] <rcjsuen> ~about
[05:08:50] <KOS-MOS> I am an IRC bot written by rcjsuen with help from the #eclipse community using the ECF bot framework. See http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_bot for more details.
[05:09:08] <rcjsuen> That tutorial might be outdated.
[05:09:18] <rcjsuen> whoops, I wanted http://wiki.eclipse.org/Bot_Framework actually
[05:10:27] <rcjsuen> noamc: Chris and Scott got the API rolling so I just wrote an implementation. It became obvious we were saying the same things over and over again on IRC so a bot was needed badly to alleviate some typing.
[05:11:56] <noamc> hmm, I can imagine it'd be time-saver
[05:13:22] <noamc> so what can she do?
[05:13:23] <noamc> ~help
[05:13:24] <KOS-MOS> Looking for help? Go look at the FAQs first - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:FAQ You may also want to try asking for help on the newsgroup. http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups Still no luck? Just ask the question! To help us help you, please provide information about your system, see ~info. For a list of the commands I provide, please see ~list.
[05:13:41] <rcjsuen> ~tell noamc about list
[05:13:41] <KOS-MOS> noamc: Check out the list of available messages and commands I provide - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/messages.html - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/commands.html
[05:14:37] <rcjsuen> noamc: The bugzilla feature is quite useful. If you just put a number like ~220865
[05:14:39] <KOS-MOS> Bug 220865 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=220865 - JDT / UI / 3.4 - All / All - NEW / enhancement / - Assignee:jdt-ui-inbox at eclipse dot org - Ctrl+O in Ant editor
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[05:16:14] <noamc> rcjsuen: ooh, that's pretty
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[05:21:40] <rcjsuen> noamc: Not sure if you knew ,but http://glucose-fructose.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/eclipse/
[05:23:35] <noamc> rcjsuen: yep, that's where I grabbed Eclipse from when I got to RIM :)
[05:24:09] <rcjsuen> ah
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[05:28:13] <noamc> rcjsuen: it's the best mirror to use when in waterloo
[05:28:44] <rcjsuen> noamc: I'd use it if they had I builds ;p
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[05:34:18] <noamc> ahh, that's a good point. I've just been going with the milestone builds
[05:34:28] <noamc> forgot that they didn't have I-builds
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[05:37:16] <s88> hi all
[05:37:25] <rcjsuen> s88: Hi
[05:42:23] <rcjsuen> noamc: Well, ttyl
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[05:42:53] <s88> I'm developing a debugger plug-in on Eclipse 3.3.1.1, I have a problem when I implement. When I press the launch button in my debugger's launch manager, I prefer to create a thread to do some background tasks and update the contant in one of view...but I catch a
[05:43:10] <s88> "Invalid thread access" SWTexception
[05:43:57] <s88> I tried syncexec but didn't work!
[05:44:45] <s88> BTW, my launch manager implement ILaunchConfigurationDelegate...
[05:46:16] <s88> my question is, when my launch function been called, how do I update the view's contant in this process/thread?
[05:52:06] <noamc> s88: what happened when you used syncExec? still the same exception?
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[05:56:45] <s88> noamc: yap!!
[05:57:56] <noamc> s88: ok, let me see what I can find about this (I'm a little new here... but the channel is a bit quiet so I'll see if I can help you for now)
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[05:59:34] <noamc> s88: is the exception being called from within the runnable you are passing to syncExec? it sounds as if there is still code that should be called from a UI thread but isn't
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[06:02:11] <noamc> s88: sorry... I meant is the exception being thrown :)
[06:11:11] <s88> noamc: I'm not sure, as I call syncExec, this exception been thrown...
[06:15:41] <noamc> s88: do you have the call stack of the exception in the error log? check there if the exception happened during the syncExec call... i have a feeling it happened before or after
[06:17:53] <noamc> s88: or are you saying you're sure that it is happening *during* the syncExec call?
[06:24:10] <s88> noamc: well...I'm sure this exception is happening during the runnable mathod execution
[06:26:33] <noamc> s88: that's interesting. if all your UI calls are done using syncExec, then there shouldn't be an invalid thread access happening. I'm not sure what else could be going wrong... let me check the docs a bit more thoroughly
[06:33:57] <noamc> s88: sorry... I couldn't find anything, I'm out of ideas. :(
[06:34:14] <noamc> s88: It seems to me that if the code is inside a Runnable you're passing to syncExec, then it is running on a UI thread so this exception shouldn't be happening inside syncExec... I have no idea why it would happen
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[06:45:11] <s88> noamc: anyway, thank you!!
[06:47:27] <noamc> s88: no worries. I suggest you post this on the newsgroups... someone may be able to help you more there
[06:48:49] <noamc> s88: http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups/
[06:50:02] <noamc> s88: in particular, I think this would fit in under the eclipse.platform.swt newsgroup :)
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[09:18:07] <aramirez> hi to all
[09:18:52] <aramirez> how can i view the source codes of the examples of eclipse
[09:19:02] <aramirez> http://help.eclipse.org/help33/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/samples/org.eclipse.ui.examples.readmetool/doc-html/ui_readmetool_ex.html
[09:19:10] <aramirez> i wanted to view the source codes for that
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[10:59:25] <aeougaoeguh> ahoy, i have some difficulties setting up a "sub"-project in eclipse
[10:59:37] <aeougaoeguh> i have a server application which launches an embedded tomcat server
[11:00:48] <aeougaoeguh> the solution just came to me mind :<
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[11:06:06] <aramirez> where can i download source codes of eclipse examples?
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[12:44:35] <philk_> ok I am really fed up with "features". How can it be that my run configuration (self-hosted) still is missing imported packages, that are inside bundles included in my feature?
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[13:08:28] <rcjsuen> s88: Are you still seeing that problem?
[13:13:29] <philk_> anybody could point me out to a good tutorial about feature based self-hosting apps?
[13:13:50] <philk_> just cannot get my feature based app running... always some imported packages missing
[13:14:04] <rcjsuen> philk_: Did you try the rcp newsgroup?
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[13:15:14] <philk_> rcjsuen: not yet
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[14:16:41] <l3on> Hi all... I've just downloaded Eclipse 3.3, but I've some problems with jps file...
[14:17:37] <l3on> Eclipse opens them like normal files... without syntax highlighting
[14:18:01] <l3on> Have I to add some plugins ?
[14:18:34] <l3on> *jsp sorry....
[14:18:53] <l3on> Same problems with html files... (
[14:19:37] <rcjsuen> l3on: jsp and html support does not come with eclipse out-of-the-box
[14:19:42] <rcjsuen> ~tell l3on about wtp
[14:19:42] <KOS-MOS> l3on: Check out Eclipse's Web Tools Platform - http://www.eclipse.org/wtp/
[14:20:49] <l3on> Thanks.. I'm taking a look...
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[15:52:02] <juacom99> hi cananyone plese help me with a dependency problem
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[15:52:30] <rcjsuen> juacom99: Don't ask for help, ask the question.
[15:53:09] <juacom99> i'm trying to install visual editor plugin but it said it need something call org.eclipse.pde
[15:53:28] <juacom99> i google that but i didn't find the way to isntall it :S
[15:54:08] <paulweb515> juacom99: PDE is provided as part of the normal eclipse SDK install
[15:54:15] <paulweb515> juacom99: what did you install?
[15:54:23] <juacom99> so i have to reinstal :S
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[15:54:40] <juacom99> the 75 M zip one
[15:54:43] <paulweb515> if you've just installed Platform or Runtime, then probably
[15:54:49] <philk__> how do set the javadoc for a bundles classes to a folder inside that bundle?
[15:54:58] <paulweb515> :-) yeah, the SDK is about 130M 140M
[15:55:26] * rcjsuen wonders why VE needs PDE.
[15:55:34] <juacom99> so..i shuld reinstal eclipse?
[15:55:46] <juacom99> *should
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[16:04:46] <philk__> do OSGi preferences and Eclipse Preferences work together? Lets say I have a bundle that loads preferences the OSGi way and want also to let the user edit the preferences using the Workbench Preference Dialog. Will the OSGi preferences be notified about changes? I do not want to introduce any workspace dependencies into my OSGi bundles.
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[16:10:06] <philk__> I would like to use IPreferenceStore everywhere, but it has to many dependencies
[16:10:09] <rcjsuen> juacom99: That's one way to go about it, yes.
[16:10:24] <rcjsuen> philk__: that's a jface class
[16:12:10] <rcjsuen> I'm not sure if there's a way around it, unless JFace's preferences are stored in a similar way to what OSGi does.
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[16:12:57] <philk__> rcjsuen: its unfortunate that we have now several ways of handling preferences. Which one to choose?
[16:13:10] <philk__> the workspace preference dialog uses IPreferenceStore
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[16:14:34] <juacom99> rcjsuen: i delet my eclipse folder. ulzip it
[16:14:38] <juacom99> again
[16:14:48] <juacom99> but i steel got the same messsage :S
[16:14:54] <rcjsuen> juacom99: What did you unzip
[16:15:11] <juacom99> the zip file i download from eclipse.org
[16:15:16] <rcjsuen> juacom99: File name I mean
[16:15:45] <juacom99> give me a sec
[16:15:58] <juacom99> eclipse-java-europa-fall2-win32.zip
[16:16:05] <juacom99> that one
[16:16:15] <rcjsuen> That one doesn't include PDE.
[16:16:16] <rcjsuen> ~tell juacom99 about compare
[16:16:17] <KOS-MOS> juacom99: Wondering what the difference between all those Eclipse packages are? See http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php
[16:16:52] <juacom99> but is any way to get PDE using that one?
[16:17:08] <rcjsuen> If you used the Eclipes Projects update site, maybe, I've never tried.
[16:17:20] <juacom99> that's what i need
[16:17:30] <juacom99> the remot site of PDE
[16:19:43] <rcjsuen> juacom99: That update site should've been built in to your installation.
[16:20:24] <rcjsuen> you could try http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.3
[16:20:57] <juacom99> ok thanks
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[16:34:39] <amitev> hi all
[16:35:00] <amitev> does anyone know why eclipse dictoinary does not accept the word "refactor"
[16:35:01] <amitev> :)
[16:36:16] <rcjsuen> amitev: I'm not sure if Eclipse bundles a dictionary.
[16:37:57] <amitev> then how does it perform a spell checking?
[16:39:08] <rcjsuen> It uses the system's one I think.
[16:39:15] <rcjsuen> Or it might bundle one, I don't know ;)
[16:41:19] <benny`work> the dic (wherever it will come from) is a regular dic for the language without any specific developer-related stuff like refactor
[16:42:01] <amitev> i see :)
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[17:00:42] <philk__> how can OSGi Services react on bundle stop events? If I register an Object as Service I create some resources that should be cleaned up when the service is unregistered.
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[17:39:49] <philk__> njbartlett: hello! how can OSGi Services react on bundle stop events? If I register an Object as Service I create some resources that should be cleaned up when the service is unregistered.
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[17:46:53] <queuetue> How do I tell eclipse to include and link to a library in another eclipse project, not one installed on the system?
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[17:48:39] <yakman_> queuetue, you go to project properties, then look in the Java Build Path tab
[17:49:11] <queuetue> yakman_, This is a c project, not a java one, but you're saying I need to modify the build path manually?
[17:49:41] <yakman_> oh right, im not sure about c
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[17:56:45] <l3on> Eclipse collapses with error: Unhandled event loop exception and PermGen space
[17:56:59] <l3on> someone can explain me about it ?
[17:57:11] <JWay> just downloaded the java sdk and made eclipse use javac.exe instead of javaw (i'm running xp) but javac requires .java extension which eclipse does not provide by default. how do i fix this?
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[17:58:42] <JWay> can it be true that eclipse only works with javaw?
[17:59:26] <yakman_> well javaw is only used in windows i think, it starts it with WinMain() instead of main()
[17:59:39] <yakman_> there shouldnt be a difference except System.out and stuff doesnt lead anywhere
[17:59:58] <yakman_> maybe theres something im missing though, thats the only difference i can think of
[18:00:35] <JWay> my program compiles perfectly with javac -classpath postgresql.java source.java
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[18:01:01] <JWay> but eclipse just won't supply the file extension to the source file, it's freaking me out
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[18:04:30] <yakman_> how did you create that class? i always did it with the New Class button and it worked
[18:04:47] <yakman_> you didnt press New Resource or something
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[18:07:24] <philk__> hmmm how will be all services notified about the bundle stop so they can do some cleanup?
[18:07:41] <philk__> i thought to go with ServiceListener but its not called when the bundle stops
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[18:11:58] <getBoa> Is there any way to stop those "Hot Code..." messages ?
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[18:22:22] <philk__> whats the best way to clean up a services resources if the bundle its registered with is stopped?
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[18:34:22] <rcjsuen> getBoa: I would tihkn there's a checkbox there.
[18:34:27] <rcjsuen> or try the pref pages
[18:34:47] <rcjsuen> ~tell l3on about permgen
[18:34:48] <KOS-MOS> l3on: Having permgen problems? Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I.27m_having_memory.2C_heap.2C_or_permgen_problems.2C_what_can_I_do.3F and http://eclipsenuggets.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-your-eclipse-3.html
[18:35:16] <rcjsuen> JWay: say what now, screenshot please
[18:35:30] <rcjsuen> JWay: and javac is a compiler, javaw is not a compiler
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[18:36:22] <l3on> rcjsuen: thank you... I've resolved :)
[18:36:33] <rcjsuen> l3on: ok
[18:36:52] <l3on> rcjsuen: It's just a think that I can't understand...
[18:37:18] <l3on> some pages in html create a Outline
[18:37:18] <getBoa> rcjsuen: Do you mean the chebox in that hot-code pop-up window ? Even When I mark that, It keeps showing up =/
[18:37:27] * rcjsuen shrugs at getBoa.
[18:37:36] <rcjsuen> getBoa: You could file a bug I s'pose.
[18:37:46] <l3on> rcjsuen: but someone else cannot create Outline... why this?
[18:37:54] <rcjsuen> l3on: Do they have the same plug-ins?
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[18:38:03] <rcjsuen> Are they opening it with the same editor?
[18:38:14] * l3on controls
[18:39:14] <l3on> rcjsuen: you're right!!!! thx :D
[18:39:15] <getBoa> rcjsuen: Does it not happen to you ? Which eclise version are you on ?
[18:39:20] * l3on is happy :D
[18:39:28] <rcjsuen> getBoa: I leave it checked off persoanlly.
[18:39:40] <rcjsuen> getBoa: Did you change the pref page?
[18:40:25] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver, pombreda: pretty broken/buggy, but one of our devs recently committed this http://imagebin.ca/img/zfXhTFb.jpg
[18:40:43] <pombreda> rcjsuen: :-P
[18:40:55] <getBoa> rcjsuen: pref page ?
[18:41:09] <rcjsuen> at least it suspends, though it doesn't jump to the line when I hit F6, I need to expand the tree node and select manually, what a hassle ;p
[18:41:13] <rcjsuen> getBoa: Preference page?
[18:41:30] <getBoa> rcjsuen: no i didnt
[18:41:58] * pombreda bows to the emonic tean, rcjsuen .. having worked ona  few debuggers implementation, I can appreciate the difficulty
[18:41:59] <getBoa> never mind
[18:42:01] <getBoa> thanks dude rcjsuen
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[18:42:18] <rcjsuen> getBoa: Did you find it?
[18:42:20] <getBoa> Its not killing me =]
[18:42:24] <getBoa> no i didnt
[18:42:26] <getBoa> =/
[18:42:33] <rcjsuen> getBoa: Window > Preferences > Java > Debug...?
[18:42:35] <pombreda> rcjsuen: with decent completion (with assemblies introspection) and debugging, you get everything a developers needs 80% of the times
[18:42:56] <rcjsuen> pombreda: one guy is redoing code completion right now
[18:43:01] <rcjsuen> Though I don't like the approach.
[18:43:22] <getBoa> Huumm now I seee
[18:43:28] <getBoa> rcjsuen: It's been chenged
[18:43:34] <getBoa> thanks bra
[18:43:45] <pombreda> rcjsuen: what would that approach would be ?, in a nutshell
[18:43:53] <getBoa> *changed
[18:44:11] <rcjsuen> pombreda: From what I understand, he's storing all information (the whole friggin' GAC) as java.lang.Strings in a trie
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[18:45:02] <rcjsuen> pombreda: Originally when we were talking about it I mentioned we should write the info to disk and use Lucene to index (per what you suggested). Then he faced some problems (dunno the details, I've never used Lucene before, I don't know how hard it is, maybe it really is hard?), so he's trying this way.
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[18:46:04] <pombreda> rcjsuen: lucene or not, I woudl defeinitely index the parsing of an assembly. that must be exopensive cpu wise
[18:46:14] <rcjsuen> pombreda: It is.
[18:46:39] <rcjsuen> well, maybe not necessarily cpu-wise (haven't really looked at my cpu bars in conky) but it obviously eats up ram
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[18:46:46] <rcjsuen> and takes a loooooooooooong time (since he's doing the whole GAC)
[18:47:36] <pombreda> rcjsuen: jdt uses their own indixdes structures, and those are disk persisted
[18:47:41] <pombreda> *indices
[18:47:59] <rcjsuen> yeh
[18:48:08] <rcjsuen> them bajillion .index files
[18:48:12] <pombreda> rcjsuen: I always pay some respect to the masters there. even when I do not understand everything, or why it is done :-P
[18:48:22] <rcjsuen> heheheh
[18:50:18] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: cool on the debugging for c#....are they communicating with the command line debugger?
[18:50:46] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: No, he is doing some kind of webservice business on XSP.
[18:51:40] <d_a_carver> hmmm...interesting
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[18:53:15] <rcjsuen> Anyone ever seen something like > java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /home/rcjsuen/emonic-workspace/.metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.pde.core/Debugger/org.eclipse.osgi/bundles/40/1/.cp/libswt-pi-gtk-3236.so: /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2: symbol png_set_expand_gray_1_2_4_to_8, version PNG12_0 not defined in file libpng12.so.0 with link time reference
[18:53:21] <rcjsuen> If I run on Java 5 or 6 it's okay.
[18:55:08] <rcjsuen> oh well, I just deleted the launch config
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[19:08:16] <karltk> My plugin makes contributions to org.eclipse.ui.preferencePages; the plugin has the plugin.xml; the contribution is picked up on 3.2, but not on 3.3; pt org.eclipse.ui.preferencePages in the osgi console says no contributions are known; error log is void; I've nuked the .metadata folder in the runtime (child) workspace in case of stale metadata. Any ideas on how to debug this?
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[19:11:32] <rcjsuen> that's very weird
[19:11:42] <rcjsuen> karltk: Do they have parents? Maybe the parent itself is off?
[19:11:45] <rcjsuen> gtg
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[19:58:27] <karltk> zx: have a moment to share of your infinite PDE wisdom?
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[19:59:54] <benny`work> karltk, i heard zx will be away for some hours
[20:00:03] <benny`work> karltk, what's the problem?
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[20:00:43] <sam_affable> hi
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[20:01:47] <sam_affable> hey i installed tomcat plugin for eclipse .i want to debug existing tomcat webapp ..how do i add that to eclipse ??..newbi here
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[20:04:03] <karltk> benny`work: I'm trying to port an app (Eclipse IMP) from 3.2 to 3.3. One of the plugins, lpg.runtime, makes contributions to the UI. This works in 3.2, but in 3.3, I see nothing. I've commented out all contributions except the one to the preferencePage (thinking this was the simplest to test). I've verified that the deployed plugin contains the plugin.xml file, I've reset the .metadata in the testing workspace, and I've run the pt org.eclipse.ui.prefe
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[20:04:58] <karltk> benny`work: I'm stuck wrt which steps I should take to debug this further. I get no errors anywhere.
[20:05:49] <benny`work> karltk, did you started your launch config with the -consolelog paramter?
[20:06:07] <karltk> benny`work: only -console, but I'll add -consolelog and see.
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[20:08:22] <karltk> benny`work: that only gave me a keybinding conflict between two other plugins and a failure to find an icon, also in another plugin. (and I've been keeping my eye on the error log view all the time, of course:)
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[20:09:32] <StFS> hi... is there a keyboard shortcut to get the documentation for the function that the caret is located at? I can get it after a while if I hover over it with the mouse but I'd like to see it on demand with a keyboard shortcut
[20:09:45] <StFS> oh yeah... I'm using the C/C++ version of Eclipse
[20:10:08] <benny`work> karltk, do you maybe have the wrong bundles launched? does it maybe use the installed ones instead of the ones from your workspace?
[20:10:41] <benny`work> StFS, i never used CDT but with JDT it works when you press F2
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[20:12:53] <StFS> benny`work: hmm... doesn't seem to work... but then again... hovering seems to be not working either all of a sudden
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[20:17:00] <JakeKonkers> anyone know if there is a plugin for eclipse to sync up your on a remote sever through scp instead of ftp?
[20:17:46] <benny`work> StFS, maybe you could take a look at the key binding preference page
[20:18:12] <benny`work> kjdoyle, i think JakeKonkers wants to know something from you ;)
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[20:19:10] <JakeKonkers> benny`work: you make it sound kinky baby ;)
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[20:19:59] <benny`work> JakeKonkers, just too lazy to search the urls and kjdoyle knows more about the scp integration ;)
[20:20:07] <karltk> benny`work: all very good suggestions, of course. I'm sure I have the correct bundles. I've exported all of them, and copied them in the 3.3 instance I'm running. I've some debugging info printed in the start() method of the bundle activator, and changing that + restarting the running instance will give me the expected result. I've also unpacked the relevant .jar and inspected the plugin.xml. It all checks out on disk.
[20:20:36] <benny`work> karltk, give me a sec to open my platform workspace
[20:20:55] <JakeKonkers> is kjdoyle dead?
[20:21:25] <kjdoyle> JakeKonkers, benny'work: let me see if I can find the bug this is described on.  I can't remember if it's working or the steps to do it as I never do it.  You can check out the Target Management project though:  http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
[20:21:26] <benny`work> JakeKonkers, maybe too busy in in other channels ;) gimme a sec
[20:21:27] <benny`work> ah
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[20:24:26] <kjdoyle> JakeKonkers:  if you need to use scp instead of sftp (SSH Only) then it is currently unsupported.  https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=213438
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[20:59:03] <benny`work> karltk, sorry I forgot you totaly
[20:59:12] <benny`work> karltk, just ping me again next time ;)
[21:00:25] <benny`work> karltk, did you have any luck in the meantime?
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[21:06:48] <rcjsuen> karltk: Still having pref page problems?
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[21:17:20] <endra> hey
[21:17:33] <endra> How can I change the format of indentation?
[21:18:47] <rcjsuen> endra: Check the preferences.
[21:18:51] <rcjsuen> Assuming said formatter has preferences ;)
[21:22:53] <endra> It only has the option for me to choose tabs or spaces
[21:25:42] <rcjsuen> Then maybe it isn't possible.
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[21:34:06] <benny`work> endra, check the formatter preferences or tell us what exactly you want to achieve
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[21:38:24] <rcjsuen> endra: And what language?
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[21:46:29] <endra> benny`work: I have checked the formatter preference, and I want to be able to customize the way it indents code for ( rcjsuen ) PHP/HTML (e.g not having it create a new line for every new property)
[21:47:19] <endra> instead of <img src="" alt=""> it does <img src=""[newline, tab]alt="">
[21:48:38] <benny`work> nitind, ?
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[21:54:18] <nitind> endra: The HTML formatter has an option to separate attributes onto their own line.  I didn't think it was on by default.
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[21:56:14] <fnasdofnadsfadsf> can somebody tell me why does eclipse recognize "char" as a sintaxys error ?
[21:56:31] <nitind> In what language?  And maybe it's in the wrong place?
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[21:58:21] <Jabka> sorry for this noob question but what can i do with the next bug (how to fix it ) : -Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (10.0-b19 mixed mode linux-amd64)
[21:58:22] <Jabka> # Problematic frame:
[21:58:22] <Jabka> # C  [libGL.so.1+0x56d57]  glPushMatrix+0x7
[21:58:51] <rcjsuen> Jabka: Is that your code?
[21:58:56] <fnasdofnadsfadsf> excuse me , my mistake
[21:59:02] <rcjsuen> Jabka: It seems to imply some seg-fault-ish problem occured in the libGL library.
[21:59:24] <fnasdofnadsfadsf> nitind may i pm you ?
[21:59:28] <Jabka> yes i understend i get it after glPushmatrix
[21:59:55] <Jabka> but only in one project
[22:00:34] <nitind> fnasdofnadsfadsf: Perhaps put it on a pastebin instead?
[22:00:36] <Jabka> * i don't now how to directly call it (repreduce it ) this happen on a project that i work on now
[22:01:42] <fnasdofnadsfadsf> nitind its not about that..
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[22:17:45] <karltk> benny`work, rcjsuen: no, unfortunately, I did not manage to fix it:(
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[22:18:14] <karltk> benny`work, rcjsuen: I see that other plugins from the same project make their ui contributions just fine, but this particular plugin does not.
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[22:25:01] <Jabka> is there a way to set class as the main java class (so if some one press RUN it will be the first option /default option
[22:25:52] <Jabka> if there are many class with run option
[22:26:04] <rcjsuen> Wha?
[22:26:49] <nitind> Isn't it only an option when there's a public static void main(String[]) method?
[22:28:23] <Jabka> for example i have 50 class with public static void main(String[])  and i wont that the default will be class NO 48
[22:28:47] <rcjsuen> Well, create a launch config for it, and there you go
[22:29:00] <rcjsuen> Jabka: When you hit Ctrl+F11 is it running the class you have open in your editor?
[22:30:11] <Jabka> yes , now i go to search how to set config
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[22:39:38] <benny`work> karltk, and you see (in the console) that everything went fine? means the bundle is active or resolved
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[22:40:33] <mistergibson> hello
[22:40:47] <mistergibson> does there exist an update site url for equinox?
[22:40:58] <mistergibson> or is it required to install it local from a console?
[22:41:09] <rcjsuen> mistergibson: Well, to run the update manager, you would need Equinox.
[22:41:14] <rcjsuen> so...........
[22:41:15] <mistergibson> hmm
[22:41:16] <benny`work> mistergibson, if you have eclipse than you have equinox
[22:41:20] <mistergibson> odd
[22:41:27] <mistergibson> the plugin says it needs it
[22:41:28] <benny`work> mistergibson, what's your problem?
[22:41:29] <mistergibson> hmm
[22:41:42] <mistergibson> attempting to install mylyn timeline (googlecode)
[22:41:47] <rcjsuen> What are you doing and what are you seeing
[22:41:49] <rcjsuen> screenshots please
[22:42:00] <mistergibson> it sites a dep on equinox, but I >no-savvy< why its an issue
[22:42:01] <mistergibson> k
[22:43:48] <mistergibson> hmm
[22:44:05] <mistergibson> no screen shot, but I got Timeline (1.0.0.200710112213) requires plug-in "org.eclipse.equinox.http"
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[22:44:39] <benny`work> mistergibson, equinox.http should be part of eclipse 3.3
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[22:46:01] <mistergibson> hmm
[22:46:11] <mistergibson> one would think
[22:46:15] <mistergibson> I'm running 3.3
[22:46:21] <mistergibson> Europa
[22:46:57] <mistergibson> how do I confirm its presence?  What grouping is it enabled under?
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[22:50:20] <mistergibson> I can get the jar file, but not sure where to put it to convince eclipse that it is installed and active
[22:51:07] <mistergibson> ok
[22:51:27] <mistergibson> found the installed file: verion 1.0.2R32x_v20061218.jar
[22:51:44] <mistergibson> so it begs the question, why isn't it showing up in the dep search?
[22:52:22] <nitind> How did you "install" that?  If you just dumped it into the plugins folder, you need to launch with -clean so it is noticed.
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[22:53:33] <rcjsuen> well, the description of said problem sounds more like something that appeared in the UM
[22:53:55] <mistergibson> k
[22:54:09] <mistergibson> so maybe the plugin isn't asking the question right
[22:54:33] <mistergibson> would you recommend a project planner plugin other than TimeLine?
[22:54:38] <mistergibson> do you have a favorite?
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[23:03:17] <jamiejackson> in 3.2, i'd do this to get ftp support: eclipse project updates >> eclipse 3.2.2 >> eclipse ftp and webdav support (ignored null ptr exception)
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[23:04:40] <jamiejackson> i need to synch a project with an sftp site, btw. anyway, i'm not sure where to find that in 3.3 updater (or whether it's already installed). i could use some guidance, please
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[23:08:47] <jamiejackson> okay, no, i don't have that "Eclipse Webdav and FTP Support" installed in 3.3 as i do in 3.2. how do i get that?
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[23:11:03] <njbartlett> Anybody know how to get Eclipse to ignore certain .launch configuration files? I'm using a version control system that keeps a copy of the clean repository in a subdirectory... unfortunately both the normal working copy and the "clean" copy of the .launch are showing in my Run menu
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[23:12:49] <rcjsuen> jamiejackson: That plug-in is no longer supported, you'd have to add the 3.2 update site and try that.
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[23:13:01] <rcjsuen> Or I guess you could download it by hand and try to install it by hand.
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[23:13:35] <rcjsuen> jamiejackson: http://archive.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.2.2-200702121330/index.php
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[23:14:26] <jamiejackson> rcjsuen: is there something else that replaces it? i'm interested to know why it was dropped.
[23:14:45] <rcjsuen> jamiejackson: Mainly due to lack of resources.
[23:14:49] <rcjsuen> ~tell jamiejackson about tm
[23:14:50] <KOS-MOS> jamiejackson: Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/
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[23:19:02] <feindbild> hi ^^
[23:19:05] <jamiejackson> thx for the link, but to be honest, i get confused about lots of the information i see on the eclipse site. are you suggesting that TM replaces the ftp support formerly found in "Eclipse Webdav and FTP support"?
[23:19:06] <rcjsuen> feindbild: Hi
[23:19:24] <rcjsuen> jamiejackson: If you file bugs against WebDAV/FTP, they will close it and tell you to use TM.
[23:19:27] <feindbild> after upgrade eclipse wont start =(  -> http://pastebin.ca/923858
[23:19:41] <feindbild> rcjsuen: hi =)
[23:21:25] <jamiejackson> rcjsuen: i take it i'd add http://download.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/downloads/ as a remote update site, and go from there?
[23:21:36] <rcjsuen> jamiejackson: That's the idea.
[23:21:55] <jamiejackson> w00t! i understood something ;-)
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[23:23:05] <rcjsuen> ~tell feindbild about info
[23:23:06] <KOS-MOS> feindbild: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
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[23:25:16] <mistergibson> is Koi still alive?
[23:25:28] <rcjsuen> mistergibson: Koi was retired a looooooooooooong time ago.
[23:25:46] <rcjsuen> Or I should say, archived.
[23:26:01] <feindbild> rcjsuen: sorry *g*. x86, linux - slackware-current, java-1.6.0_02-b05, before the upgrade it was eclipse-3.3.1.1 I believe. I just hit upgrade, checked 'remove duplicate entries and did an upgrade without modifying the selection ...
[23:26:38] <feindbild> The upgrade didn't report any errors, I hit restart and then there was this log ...
[23:26:41] <rcjsuen> feindbild: Did you try ~clean
[23:26:41] <KOS-MOS> Please try restarting Eclipse with the '-clean' argument. http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#I_have_just_installed_a_plug-in_but_I_do_not_see_any_indication_of_it_in_my_workspace._What_do_I_do.3F
[23:26:54] <mistergibson> k
[23:28:03] <feindbild> rcjsuen: thank you, that worked =D
[23:28:26] <mistergibson> can anyone shout out an opensource collaboration plugin they like ... just trolling for options here
[23:29:18] <rcjsuen> feindbild: np
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[23:31:21] <feindbild> rcjsuen: As often as you helped me I believe owe you a beer or something *g*
[23:31:44] <rcjsuen> feindbild: I don't drink, but feel free to buy me one anyway. You can drink it. ;)
[23:31:52] <feindbild> ^^
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