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[00:03:43] <lnxnt> I found disabled features/plugins that I can't enable and can't uninstall - what is their problem ?
[00:04:08] <lnxnt> like Eclipse Modeling Framework 2.3.0.v2007....
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[00:08:50] <kb> i use eclipse 3.3.1.1 under gentoo amd 64 and if i want to open a file, it shows up an error like:
[00:08:50] <kb> Could not read metadata for '/home/kb1/workspace/.metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.core.resources/.root/.indexes/properties.index'.
[00:08:50] <kb> /home/kb1/workspace/.metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.core.resources/.root/.indexes/properties.index (Too many open files)
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[00:10:20] <mohbana> 1. what books do you guys recommend for swt? 2. what is sun's stance towards swt?
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[00:23:19] <rcjsuen> kb: looks like your workspace got hosed
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[00:31:32] <njbartlett> mohbana: 2) Mostly they hate it.
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[00:42:45] <lnxnt> is there a way to configure update to change the mirror if the one doesn't answer within 15 min ?
[00:42:58] <lnxnt> or maybe within 3 min ? ;)
[00:43:14] <lnxnt> but I would be happy with 15 too
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[00:53:37] <gbv22> hey guys. I am having some problems compiling stuff in eclipse for older versions of Java (java 1.5) I changed the compatibility settings of the compiler...but that still did not help. Any ideas why?
[00:54:20] <rcjsuen> gbv22: Maybe you don't have a Java 5 JRE, maybe your project settings are different than your workspace settings, maybe it really is a bug, maybe your code is wrong. There are a variety of possibilities.
[00:55:59] <gbv22> rcjsuen: hmm..ok..I thought project settings are the only thing that mattered. Why would workspace settings matter if i have already made specifc sttings for the project?
[00:56:25] <rcjsuen> gbv22: Because you did not state that you changed your project settings, leading me to believe that you only changed your workspace settings.
[00:57:34] <gbv22> rcjsuen: ok
[00:57:51] <rcjsuen> What is it complaining about
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[01:03:47] <gbv22> rcjsuen: well..I compiled it with settings for Java 5, but it wont run on a java 5 machine , gives the following errors, http://dpaste.com/36683/
[01:04:10] <rcjsuen> ooo applets
[01:04:23] <gbv22> rcjsuen: yeah :)
[01:04:25] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[01:04:48] <rcjsuen> Can't say I have any applet experience.
[01:05:00] <rcjsuen> You could try compiling your project with Sun's javac and see what happens.
[01:05:26] <gbv22> rcjsuen: yeah..i am going to try that
[01:08:16] <NetEffect> hi does anyone make jsf pages in eclipse here?  im having problems getting jsf installed
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[01:21:51] <lnxnt> can I just delete a plugin from the plugin directory to uninstall ?
[01:24:08] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: Yes.
[01:24:15] <rcjsuen> And then restart with -clean.
[01:24:30] <rcjsuen> Although technically not performing that act won't really make a huge difference.
[01:24:49] <lnxnt> ok thanks
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[01:35:00] <Kaon1> I have a problem with copy/paste in GMF, when I copy a component and paste it and add another component, the pasted on disappears
[01:36:09] <Kaon1> any suggestiongs?
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[01:55:50] <Pluxxx> ok, this is the first time ever I have used eclipse, and now I was finished with the programming, and wanted to test it out in a terminal outside eclipse to test if it works... but I got a lot of errors.. most of them of the type cannot find symbol (it doesn't seem to find the classes) what should I do ?
[01:56:25] <Pluxxx> test it out -> compile it
[01:58:14] <rcjsuen> Pluxxx: Are you using third party libraries?
[01:58:40] <Pluxxx> Im using JUnit
[01:58:58] <rcjsuen> Pluxxx: Well, does the command line compiler know about JUnit?
[01:59:05] <rcjsuen> I'm guessing no.
[01:59:16] <rcjsuen> What symbols is it complaining about?
[01:59:43] <Pluxxx> some classes I have created in the project
[02:00:09] <rcjsuen> Pluxxx: How are you compiling it? Are you using packages?
[02:00:15] <Pluxxx> yes
[02:01:30] <Pluxxx> JUnit is at least working from the command line.. its added to CLASSPATH
[02:01:46] <Pluxxx> but... something tells me it might be a package problem ?
[02:02:01] <Pluxxx> I have never used packages before... but it seemed so easy in eclipse
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[02:14:54] <allan_ramirez> hi to all...
[02:15:01] <rcjsuen> allan_ramirez: Hi
[02:15:16] <allan_ramirez> rcjsuen: Hi
[02:15:48] <allan_ramirez> do you know what command that gets a reference of a IFile?
[02:15:59] <allan_ramirez> example
[02:16:05] <rcjsuen> What are you trying to do
[02:16:17] <allan_ramirez> i wanted to get the file programmatically from my local file system
[02:16:26] <rcjsuen> IFile is for workspace resources
[02:16:35] <rcjsuen> not for any file that's in the file system
[02:16:43] <allan_ramirez> what i'm trying to do actually
[02:16:46] <rcjsuen> Why do you want an IFile
[02:16:51] <rcjsuen> Please provide as much information as possible.
[02:17:09] <allan_ramirez> is to open an external file in the default editor of eclipse
[02:17:26] <allan_ramirez> is to open a xml  file in the default editor of eclipse programmatically
[02:17:43] <rcjsuen> you want an IFileStore instead
[02:17:46] <rcjsuen> ~api IDE
[02:17:47] <KOS-MOS> org.eclipse.ui.ide.IDE - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/ui/ide/IDE.html
[02:17:50] <rcjsuen> ~api IFileStore
[02:17:51] <KOS-MOS> org.eclipse.core.filesystem.IFileStore - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/core/filesystem/IFileStore.html
[02:18:58] <allan_ramirez> i read this site http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_open_an_editor_programmatically%3F
[02:19:05] <allan_ramirez> i mean this page
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[02:19:28] <allan_ramirez> but i have trouble regarding this line   of that page     IFile file = ...;
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[02:19:39] <rcjsuen> allan_ramirez: That page is old.
[02:19:42] <rcjsuen> Well, unless you're on Eclipse 3.0.
[02:19:47] <allan_ramirez> yah
[02:19:58] <allan_ramirez> FileEditorInput didn't work
[02:20:04] <allan_ramirez> but I was able to solve that
[02:20:13] <allan_ramirez> the only problem left is  IFile file = ...;
[02:20:16] <rcjsuen> allan_ramirez: What version of Eclipse are you on?
[02:20:16] <allan_ramirez> :(
[02:20:22] <allan_ramirez> 3.3.0
[02:20:31] <rcjsuen> then use the IFileStore / FileStoreEditorInput i'm talking about
[02:21:11] <lem> trying to setup eclipse here, ideally without using sun's java stuff. after installing the eclipse package i get an error window saying no java vm found. any ideas?
[02:21:53] <allan_ramirez> i'll take a look at those interfaces and the links you guys given me
[02:21:54] <allan_ramirez> :)
[02:22:23] <rcjsuen> lem: Well, you need a JRE to run Eclipse. Do you have a JRE?
[02:22:38] <rcjsuen> lem: Is there any problem with using Sun's Java?
[02:22:45] <rcjsuen> ~tell allan_ramirez about api EFS
[02:22:46] <KOS-MOS> allan_ramirez: org.eclipse.core.filesystem.EFS - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/core/filesystem/EFS.html
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[02:23:03] <lem> rcjsuen: if using sun's java isn't absolutely required then i'd rather not
[02:23:18] <allan_ramirez> KOS-MOS: I'll take a look at that ok.
[02:23:25] <lem> rcjsuen: i figure i just need to add the proper line to  /etc/eclipse/java_home
[02:23:56] <rcjsuen> lem: Well, there are other ones that are supported http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/readme_eclipse_3.3.1.1.html#TargetOperatingEnvironments
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[02:25:11] <lem> hmm i'm not seeing any references to the GNU Java Compiler..
[02:25:21] <rcjsuen> lem: Because that's not an officially supported one.
[02:25:39] <rcjsuen> lem: Some distros support using GCJ though, like Fedora.
[02:25:47] <lem> yeah, ubuntu seems to aswell
[02:26:07] <lem> do you know if Eclipse has ever supported the GCJ?
[02:26:13] <rcjsuen> lem: Never afaik.
[02:26:29] <rcjsuen> certainly, I've never heard of it appearing on that list anyway
[02:27:01] <lem> i like to remain philosophically clean when it makes sense. afaik using the gcj and just doing c++ development should work fine
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[02:28:13] <rcjsuen> lem: Feel free to use GCJ if you wish, I won't be able to help you much though.
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[02:28:47] <lem> i figure it should be as simple as adding the correct line to  /etc/eclipse/java_home
[02:28:50] <lem> i'm just not sure what to add
[02:28:54] * rcjsuen thinks that wiki FAQ page needs to be updated.
[02:28:57] <rcjsuen> I guess I'll get to that later.
[02:29:11] <rcjsuen> lem: You could try asking in the Ubuntu or ##java channels.
[02:29:15] <rcjsuen> lem: You could also just try
[02:29:22] <rcjsuen> ./eclipse -vm /path/to/your/vm/binary/bin
[02:29:25] <rcjsuen> er
[02:29:27] <rcjsuen> ./eclipse -vm /path/to/your/vm/binary/bin/java
[02:29:31] <rcjsuen> the binary itself, not a folder
[02:30:16] <lem> ah
[02:30:27] <lem> just need to find the GCJ binary then
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[02:39:49] <lem> rcjsuen: got it
[02:40:24] <lem> rcjsuen: it was as simple as just installing the eclipse-gcj package
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[02:49:09] <allan_ramirez> thank you guys for pointing out that the page i've encountered is old and thank you also for pointing me to filestore
[02:50:12] <allan_ramirez> but still i have trouble here,i wonder why can't i import   org.eclipse.core.filesystem  classes
[02:50:37] <allan_ramirez> do i have to explicitly include lib on my classpath libs?
[02:51:47] <allan_ramirez> rcjsuen:  how did you use org.eclipse.core.filesystem.EFS? Did you explicitly include the jar?
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[02:59:08] <aramirez> now i got it
[02:59:10] <aramirez> silly me
[02:59:14] <aramirez> :-)
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[03:18:15] <aramirez> wohoooo... Thanks for the input guys
[03:18:50] <aramirez> everything works perfect
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[03:57:40] <rcjsuen> aramirez: If you have time, please update that wiki page.
[03:59:28] <aramirez> rjsuen: I love to but I still need to furnish my program. This won't take long. Thanks again.
[04:00:01] <rcjsuen> aramirez: Okay, best of luck.
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[04:00:07] <rcjsuen> aramirez: Let us know if you have other problems.
[04:00:10] <Sal> hello
[04:00:43] <Sal> is there a way to let eclipse creates its configuration files outside the workspace?
[04:01:31] <Sal> i need to set the workspace on my htdocs and i don't want all the config files in my web server root
[04:01:52] <Sal> any solution?
[04:06:55] <nitind> Sal: Put the workspace somewhere else, but when creating individual projects use the Advanced checkbox to place them physically in htdocs.
[04:07:17] <nitind> Or better yet just do that folder by folder as needed.
[04:07:26] <Sal> yes, thats what i'm doing now, but is such a PITA
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[04:25:57] <aramirez> rjsuen: I'm on the wiki now. I'm on this link   http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_open_an_editor_programmatically%3F  that has this topic  FAQ How do I open an editor programmatically?
[04:26:11] <aramirez> rjsuen: But I can't edit it.
[04:26:28] <rcjsuen> aramirez: You need a bugzilla account.
[04:26:38] <aramirez> i already have one
[04:26:43] <aramirez> i'm already logged in
[04:26:55] <aramirez> i've already logged in
[04:26:56] <aramirez> i've already logged in
[04:27:08] <aramirez> i can only edit the see also
[04:27:22] <aramirez> but i can't edit above it
[04:27:31] <rcjsuen> aramirez: http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=FAQ_How_do_I_open_an_editor_programmatically%3F&action=edit
[04:27:47] <rcjsuen> You should click the link on the left hand side.
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[04:28:11] <aramirez> thanks
[04:28:20] <aramirez> yah
[04:28:22] <aramirez> i see it
[04:28:25] <aramirez> :-)
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[05:03:20] <aramirez> rcjsuen:  I've already edit the page.
[05:03:44] <rcjsuen> aramirez: ah, I see
[05:04:09] <rcjsuen> aramirez: I see you deleted the original stuff. It might've been better to leave the 3.0 bit and start a new section for 3.3.
[05:04:32] <aramirez> rcjsue: sorry for that
[05:04:39] <aramirez> rcjsue: can we revert it?
[05:04:47] <aramirez> rcjsue: is there a way to revert it?
[05:05:30] <rcjsuen> aramirez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RV#Manual_method
[05:08:49] <aramirez> whewww... I thought I messed up everything.
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[05:17:11] <sontek> http://rafb.net/p/3M9iVf57.html
[05:17:16] <sontek> when I launch eclipse I get that
[05:17:27] <sontek> what does it mean?
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[05:19:21] <rcjsuen> sontek: Sounds like you need Java 5.
[05:23:42] <brs> Hi
[05:23:45] <brs> Is this the right place to ask about problems with CDT?
[05:24:32] <rcjsuen> bronson: you can try here, the ~cdt-faq or the cdt newsgroup
[05:24:32] <KOS-MOS> Looking for all of the answers related to CDT, or just most of them?  Check out the mighty CDT-FAQ (http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/User/FAQ).
[05:25:30] <sontek> ahh, looks like I needed the -devel package
[05:25:38] <sontek> for some reason suse didn't flag that I would need it
[05:27:18] <brs> The problem is that the CDT project explorer does not show all of my source files. I have a project with 12 source files, but the project explorer currently only shows 6 of them.
[05:27:43] <brs> There's a bug report (163658) but it does not have any comments, and it's been open since 2006.
[05:28:04] <rcjsuen> ~163658
[05:28:05] <KOS-MOS> Bug 163658 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=163658 - CDT / UI / 3.1.1 - PC / Windows XP - NEW / normal / - Assignee:cdt-core-inbox at eclipse dot org - C/C++ project browser refresh
[05:28:28] <brs> Also, I seem to be too dense to find helpful search terms.
[05:29:25] <brs> I have had this with all CDT4 and eclipse versions I've ever tried.
[05:29:47] <brs> Normally the project explorer would pick up new source files after a successful build, so it was no big problem, but it doesn't do so anymore, for reasons unknown.
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[05:31:22] <brs> atm, I'm running 3.3.1.1 M20071023-1652 with CDT 4.0.2.200711280800
[05:34:04] <aramirez> rjsuen: How do i create a new topic or section?
[05:34:18] <rcjsuen> aramirez: Type ==Eclipse 3.3==
[05:36:25] <aramirez> rjsuen: i'm on this page now. I've been browsing around in http://wiki.eclipse.org/  and can't find any idea on how to add a new article or faq
[05:36:49] <rcjsuen> aramirez: You don't need to create a new page. Just edit the existing page and add another section with ==Eclipse 3.3==
[05:39:39] <aramirez> i'll add ==Eclipse 3.3== under  FAQ category?
[05:39:48] <aramirez> rjsuen: i'll add ==Eclipse 3.3== under  FAQ category?
[05:39:57] <rcjsuen> aramirez: just edit that page you were editing
[05:39:58] <rcjsuen> and add it in
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[05:53:12] <Windcape> hi, how do I implement a java interface when using eclipse? ie. make it autogenerate the nessary methods for my class
[05:53:30] <rcjsuen> Windcape: Make a new class, and set it to implement a Java interface...?
[05:53:55] <Windcape> not possible do to on a allready made class?
[05:54:10] <rcjsuen> Windcape: add 'implements Blah'
[05:54:13] <rcjsuen> and then use Ctrl+1?
[05:54:28] <Windcape> nice, thanks
[06:03:59] <aramirez> rjsuen:  http://wiki.eclipse.org/
[06:04:13] <aramirez> rjsuen:  Am I doing the right thing?
[06:04:29] <rcjsuen> aramirez: No, that isn't what I meant.
[06:04:38] <rcjsuen> aramirez: Edit the page you were editing  > http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_open_an_editor_programmatically%3F
[06:04:47] <rcjsuen> and add a ==Eclipse 3.3== on _that_ page with your information
[06:04:54] <aramirez> ah
[06:04:55] <aramirez> ok
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[06:19:41] <aramirez> rjsuen: finished editing the page
[06:20:01] <aramirez> rjsuen: it can now be seen also in faq category
[06:20:17] <aramirez> rjsuen: and lastly, i've removed what i've made in the main page
[06:21:00] <aramirez> rjsuen: thanks for the help. go to go. i need to eat my lunch
[06:21:07] <aramirez> rjsuen: thanks for the help. got to go. i need to eat my lunch
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[06:48:33] <sontek> any of you guys use pydev with eclipse?
[06:48:43] <sontek> its wanted mylyn and mylar plugins to work
[06:48:53] <sontek> but from what I can see, mylar *is* mylyn
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[07:41:06] <onnadi3> Hello. I have a popup menu that needs to access the system path of the document from which it was invoked. Anyone know how to get that information from any of the subinterfaces of IActionDelegate?
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[07:51:27] <gbv22> is there a version of eclipse i can use to compile so that my applet runs on java v 1.5?
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[07:54:09] <onnadi3> gbv22: I think all you have to do is set the JRE for your project to 1.5 and the applet should work
[07:54:47] <gbv22> onnadi3: i tried that but it dosent work. pretty wierd
[07:55:04] <onnadi3> what kinds of errors do you get?
[07:55:46] <gbv22> onnadi3: it says 'applet noninited'
[07:56:32] <onnadi3> so when you click on the 'Run' button, it brings up a popup with 'noninited' and then exits?
[07:57:43] <gbv22> oh no..it works fine on my machine
[07:57:54] <gbv22> but when someone whtih java 1.5 tries to view the applet
[07:58:01] <gbv22> itsays its noninited
[07:58:09] <gbv22> i have java 6
[07:58:55] <onnadi3> Could it be that your network proxy is messing with the applet? Read this thread
[07:58:56] <onnadi3> http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=576672&messageID=2890756
[08:02:05] <gbv22> onnadi3: this is scary :)
[08:02:38] <onnadi3> gbv22: does it sound like what you're experiencing?
[08:02:41] <gbv22> onnadi3: just curious..what version of java re u running?
[08:02:45] <gbv22> onnadi3: yes
[08:03:39] <onnadi3> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
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[08:05:02] <gbv22> i have problems with only people running 1.5 and below. So it might not be the same as the proxy issue
[08:07:05] <gbv22> onnadi3: may I PM you
[08:07:16] <onnadi3> Sure
[08:13:03] <sontek> any of you guys used a vim plugin for eclipse?
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[08:19:24] <deebo> how do i add cvs support to a java project i checkout from the cli
[08:19:47] <deebo> when i import it from the sources the team interface doestn work
[08:24:11] <deebo> ah nevermind, was just some glitch, works now
[08:24:22] <onnadi3> deebo: how did you do it?
[08:24:39] <deebo> refresh + context -> team -> share project
[08:24:44] <deebo> then it foudn the cvs metadata
[08:24:58] <onnadi3> cool]
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[08:44:31] <etteyafed> Anyone with experience with Perlipse
[08:45:02] <etteyafed> have a config error when setting up the perlipse default interpreter?
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[08:45:14] <Slydder> morning all
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[09:03:52] <Ovais> How do I add an action programmatically, from a plugin other than the one that contains Application (that is I do not have ApplicationActionBarAdvisor class)
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[09:08:57] <sontek> where do i install plugins too?
[09:09:02] <sontek> I tried /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins
[09:09:06] <sontek> but they didn't show up
[09:09:11] <sontek> (I closed and reopened)
[09:10:12] <onnadi3> If possible, use the update manager. It handles all the saving for you, and you'll never have the problem where a plugin dependency is missing
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[09:10:39] <sontek> onnadi3: yeah, I couldn't find a url for the update manager for this plugin
[09:10:41] <sontek> its the htmleditor
[09:10:49] <sontek> I want a decent css/html editor for eclipse
[09:10:54] <sontek> it just opens up gedit right now
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[09:17:47] <Slydder> sontek: have you installed the WTP plugin?
[09:17:56] <Slydder> http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/
[09:18:28] <onnadi3> sontek: Try adding the location of the plugin using Help > Software Updates > Find and Install > New Local Site
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[09:49:30] <atom> hi peeps. Have a problem - eclipse crashes whenever the code-completion scroll-down opens
[09:49:45] <atom> compiled with sun-jdk 1.6
[09:49:52] <atom> using sun-jdk 1.6
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[10:02:28] <sontek> Slydder: do you have that installed?
[10:02:39] <sontek> Slydder: i'm having a hell of a time getting all the dependencies installed
[10:02:44] <sontek> right now i'm stuck on gmf
[10:02:51] <sontek> the update manager wont install it
[10:03:47] <webPrag\Laptop> you crazy monkeyfaces
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[10:04:13] <webPrag\Laptop> watch out for that treee!
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[10:04:21] <Slydder> you will need to expand all areas when doing the install and before clicking on resolve dependencies. only expanded trees are searched for dependencies.
[10:04:53] <sontek> GMF doesn't show anything when I trun to expand
[10:05:02] <sontek> do you know the URL you used for GMF?
[10:05:35] <Slydder> I have WTP installed not GMF
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[10:09:04] <abiez> hi I got a couple of questions about Birt, is this the right place ?
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[10:12:01] <erik2> abiez: i dunno...is there a birt channel ?
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[10:12:44] <abiez> I dunno , thats y im here...
[10:13:05] <erik2> no there is none
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[10:13:19] <erik2> then maybe y r in the right place
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[10:13:33] <erik2> u
[10:15:19] <erik2> you can find out if there is one for yourself... and then just pose the question without asking anything else... much easier and consistent with ICR etiquette
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[10:18:39] <abiez> Is it possible to view the SQL which BIRT generates in BIRT itself. Id like to see it as parameters are not that cooperaive in BIRT.
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[11:37:14] <Honk> why does setting the foreground color have no influence on the default text color of my java editor in eclipse?
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[13:30:44] <safak> eclipse is primarily an extensible IDE for different languages. But what is an rcp then ?
[13:32:28] <safak> is there a concept map about eclipse somewhere ?
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[13:38:49] <jpospychala> safak: see http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/RCP_FAQ
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[13:42:39] <Honk> and why the hell does eclipse make my vnc servers crash.. all of 'em :|
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[14:05:59] <safak> the update manager consumes so much time - isn't there a way to tell him to switch mirrors as soon as possible ?
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[14:12:13] <rcjsuen> sontek: Actually, I don't think PyDev requires Mylyn, it is probably optional.
[14:12:48] <rcjsuen> onnadi3: Well, from the IStructuredSelection you probably have an IFile, from the IFile you can figure out the path.
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[14:13:33] <rcjsuen> atom: Did you check your ~logs
[14:13:34] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
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[14:41:25] <Ovais> Can anyone please tell me, How do I add an action programmatically, from a plugin other than the one that contains Application (that is I do not have ApplicationActionBarAdvisor class)
[14:41:47] <rcjsuen_> ~wiki Menu Contributions
[14:41:48] <KOS-MOS> Check out this wiki article - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Menu_Contributions
[14:42:13] <Brklyn> hi everyone! I have a lil question regarding eclipse installation on mac os x.... I'm rather new to mac os x, and was wondering if I could do a systemwide install. I know that I can run it simply by decompressing and running eclipse. But I'd rather do something a little more global, like placing eclipse inside the Applications folder. is that viable?
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[14:42:44] <rcjsuen_> Brklyn: That is how the Eclipse download from eclipse.org.
[14:42:56] <Ovais> I have already  read them, they only talk about declarative methods
[14:43:00] <rcjsuen_> Brklyn: EasyEclipse might have some kind of installation mechanism, but not the Eclipse from eclipse.org.
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[14:43:29] <rcjsuen_> Ovais: You should talk to paulweb515
[14:43:51] <Ovais> ok
[14:44:45] <Brklyn> rcjsuen_: I know, I was considering perhaps moving it to /usr/share or something like that.... But if some sort of installer was available. Anyway, I'll keep on googling a bit :)
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[14:45:11] <rcjsuen_> Brklyn: Try EasyEclipse.
[14:45:59] <Brklyn> I'll check that out right now, thanks a lot
[14:46:43] <rcjsuen_> Brklyn: I believe they have an installer for Windows, so possibly for Mac as well.
[14:47:15] <rcjsuen_> Ovais: Actually, didn't you ask the question on the newsgroup?
[14:47:30] <rcjsuen_> Ovais: You want to add a dynamic menu or something?
[14:47:40] <Ovais> that was a different question
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[14:48:36] <Ovais> That was to do with getting a reference to MenuManager, so that I can access global menus and change their state
[14:49:45] <rcjsuen_> Ovais: So what are you trying to do, add things to the toolbar dynamically?
[14:49:51] <Ovais> I have a wizard that has to create a new menu in a top level menu, so it has to be done programmatically, and this wizard is not in the application plugin
[14:50:14] <Ovais> yes add dynamically to both menu and toolbar
[14:50:55] <rcjsuen_> What use case is this?
[14:51:03] <Ovais> My standalone RCP based application was working fine, I was storing the reference to IMenuManager and IToolBarManager in a global object
[14:52:06] <Ovais> but as soon as I decided to make it an eclipse plugin as well, I ran into this problem, I do not have reference to IMenuManager or IToolBarManager, so I cannot add new top level menus or toolitems
[14:52:46] <Ovais> The use case is that the wizard creates a new protocol stack, and I then need to add this new protocol stack to the menu
[14:53:50] <rcjsuen_> For the menus it should still be possible with the method described in the wiki page since it should be capable of dynamically populating the menu upon construction I believe.
[14:54:13] <rcjsuen_> Retrieving a reference to the toplevel ApplicationActionBarAdvisor / IMenuManager / IToolBarManager sounds rather ris-kay.
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[14:54:42] <Ovais> I dont know, but I think it should have been as simple as window.getMenuManager.add(action), something like this
[14:55:01] <Ovais> yes it was probably not a good solution, but I couldnt find any alternatives
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[14:59:36] <Ovais> It is all good when you are adding menus from the application, but adding menus programmatically when you dont have ApplicationActionBarAdvisor, so you dont have reference to menu manager, you run into problems
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[15:01:07] <Ovais> cant send messages to paul, cos apparently I am not a registered user
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[15:16:41] <paulweb515> Ovais: that's specifically forbidden
[15:17:08] <paulweb515> Ovais: i.e. access to the global MenuManager and global ToolBarManager is not allowed
[15:17:20] <Ovais> so what is the alternative
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[15:18:16] <paulweb515> Ovais: in an eclipse plugin, you use org.eclipse.ui.actionSets (IActionDelegate) or org.eclipse.ui.menus (commands+handlers) to add to the top-level menu
[15:19:07] <Ovais> yes, I am using actionSets for my eclipse plugin and Actions for my standalone app programmatically
[15:19:56] <paulweb515> Ovais: right ... Global actions for RCP apps are provided as the "well, I'm just writing a little program I don't need all that eclipse support" short cut
[15:20:24] <paulweb515> Ovais: however, it is a short cut and is not really supported in the eclipse environment (where you do need proper eclipse support)
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[15:24:41] <paulweb515> The 2 (well 3 choices) are 1) re-write them all as actionSets, 2) re-write them as Commands+Handlers, or 3) (very bad) hack into each window menu bar manager/cool bar manager.
[15:24:42] <Ovais> I am sorry, but I am still not able to understand, how can I add a menu dynamically from an eclipse plugin
[15:25:07] <jink> I'd _really_ like my Navigator to hide .* and *.class files.  It seems that that worked on my debian install (3.2.something-something), since there were 2 filter that I could apply, but my current windows install (3.3.1.1) doesn't have these filters.
[15:25:14] <paulweb515> Ovais: if you mean how do you have an eclipse plugin add actions to a global menu, the answer is you cannot
[15:25:33] <paulweb515> Ovais: you can add commands and dynamic contribution items from a plugin using org.eclipse.ui.menus
[15:25:43] <paulweb515> or actionSets using org.eclipse.ui.actionSets
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[15:26:33] <Ovais> so that means, additions to global menu can only be done declaratively
[15:26:49] <paulweb515> But from eclipse (as opposed to RCP) there's not programmatic way to add to the main window menu/coolbar ... since adding programmatically means activating a plugin, and eclipse only wants to activate a plugin on user action
[15:26:53] <paulweb515> Ovais: pretty much
[15:27:03] <Ovais> through either actionSet or commands
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[15:28:14] <paulweb515> Ovais: right
[15:28:26] <Ovais> ok, so I have added a menu named "protocol" to the top level menu declartively
[15:28:41] <Ovais> but now I want to add subMenus dynamically?
[15:28:45] <jink> I hacked it a while ago by adding it manually to ~/workspace/.metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.ui.workbench/workbench.xml, (the filters worked, but the GUI didn't show them), but a recent update undid that change.
[15:30:06] <Ovais> is that possible? since I am not adding to the top level menu, but adding submenu to an already added top level menu
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[15:34:34] <paulweb515> Ovais: it's the same problem ... how can you add dynamic submenus when your plugin has not been activated?
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[15:36:09] <rcjsuen> jink: Think that's a known bug.
[15:36:25] <rcjsuen> jink: Never really bothered me, it's not like I ever open my bin/ folder.
[15:36:43] <rcjsuen> Nor did seeing .classpath, .project, and .settings really bothered me.
[15:36:50] <rcjsuen> In fact, I usually open the Navigator to see those ;p
[15:36:53] <jink> I'm working on an svn repository where .class files are compiled in the same dir as the .java files.
[15:36:55] <Ovais> What if it has been activated, lets say through earlyStartup
[15:37:06] <paulweb515> jink: that's a bug that has been fixed in 3.3.2 and 3.4
[15:37:24] <rcjsuen> jink: Do you have some problems with the Package Explorer or Project Explorer?
[15:37:29] <jink> Oh, can I actually download either?
[15:37:34] <paulweb515> Ovais: if you're an RCP, no problem.  If you're an eclipse plugin, I would personally hunt you down and shame you in the newsgroups ...
[15:37:44] <rcjsuen> jink: Eh
[15:37:53] <rcjsuen> jink: Window > Show View > Other > Java > Package Explorer
[15:38:10] <jink> No, it seems like the Package explorer has correct behaviour.
[15:38:26] <jink> But then again, there I can actually select a filter (the box isn't empty).
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[15:38:32] <rcjsuen> jink: That's correct.
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[15:38:52] <paulweb515> Ovais: what kind of dynamic submenus are you trying to add, anyway?
[15:39:20] <Ovais> What is that supposed to mean? Look I started by creating an app through SWT, converted it to JFace, then moved to RCP and now to an Eclipse plugin, so bear with me
[15:39:27] <paulweb515> If it's something that can be handled declaratively then you can make them appear and disappear without activating your plugins
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[15:39:37] <rcjsuen> paulweb515: Something about starting a wizard, then the wizard adds a menu
[15:39:45] <jink> Seems 3.3.2 or 3.4 aren't stable releases yet?
[15:40:05] <rcjsuen> jink: well, neither 3.3.2 or 3.4 is officially out ;)
[15:40:06] <paulweb515> Ovais: it just means that doing things programmatically is acceptable in RCP and not acceptable (i.e. the opposite of a best practice) in an eclipse plugin
[15:40:18] <jink> Right.  I'll stick with 3.3.1.1 for now, then.
[15:40:21] <jink> Thanks.
[15:40:37] <rcjsuen> jink: I mean, if you really want it you could get a 3.3.x integration maintenance build.
[15:40:40] <Ovais> ok understood
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[15:40:56] <rcjsuen> paulweb515: <Ovais> The use case is that the wizard creates a new protocol stack, and I then need to add this new protocol stack to the menu
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[15:41:16] <jink> rcjsuen: I take it the release of either won't take another 5 years. :)
[15:41:20] <dongs> rather than wasting time trying to find it myself, how do I jump beween matchin brackets in eclipse/cdt
[15:41:44] <rcjsuen> jink: Well, 3.3.2 is going to be released in late Feb I believe, 28th or 29th.
[15:41:45] <paulweb515> dongs: CTRL+SHIFT+P
[15:41:54] <dongs> mkay
[15:41:56] <dongs> waht menu is this in
[15:41:57] <jink> rcjsuen: Works for me. :)
[15:41:58] <dongs> i looked in edit/etc.
[15:42:05] <rcjsuen> jink: Whatever floats your boat.
[15:42:19] <dongs> paulweb515: btw thanks
[15:42:39] <paulweb515> Ovais: is it that you can't determine the protocols before hand (so there's not real point in creating declarations?
[15:43:51] <jink> dongs: Window -> Preferences -> General -> Keys   Filter text: "Go to matching bracket"
[15:43:52] <Ovais> yes exactly, the protocol stacks are created through a wizard and then I add it to a top level menu called "protocol", alongwith previosuly added stacks
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[15:45:09] <Ovais> If that is not possible in eclipse, then maybe I can just take the protocol menu off the top level menu, and instead create a view that contains the list of protocol stacks added through the wizard
[15:45:24] <dongs> jink: UH, its not in a MENU?
[15:45:36] <rcjsuen> dongs: Eh?
[15:45:37] <jink> If it is, I don't know where it is.
[15:45:45] <dongs> how does a user like me supposed to find it and its corresponding shortcut
[15:45:56] <dongs> wtf, dont tell me the only way is to go to some obscure preferences panel
[15:46:17] <dongs> rcjsuen: i usually learn shortcut keys for software by going through menus and making a note of whats available.
[15:46:20] <rcjsuen> dongs: Well, General > Keys isn't all that obscure I don't think.
[15:46:32] <rcjsuen> I don't think there's a menu item for that action.
[15:46:35] <dongs> i think it is, considering thats app's 'configuration'
[15:46:46] <rcjsuen> dongs: But you can configure the keys :x
[15:46:47] <dongs> which a typical user shouldnt even be aware of
[15:47:13] <dongs> lets assume i had no idea about the config dialog (and i didnt), other than asking here what would be the way to find this key combination for me?
[15:47:31] <paulweb515> dongs: the keys preference page is not obscure, believe me (I get bugs about it all the time)
[15:47:34] <dongs> is there documentation?
[15:47:45] <paulweb515> dongs: of course ...
[15:47:47] <rcjsuen> dongs: Navigate > Go To > matching Bracket
[15:47:50] <paulweb515> Help>Help Contents
[15:47:53] <dongs> rcjsuen: looking
[15:47:58] <rcjsuen> At least, it's there for Java.
[15:48:03] <dongs> rcjsuen: awesome, thank you
[15:48:05] <rcjsuen> I don't use CDT *shrugs*
[15:48:05] <dongs> yes its there.
[15:48:27] <paulweb515> ~pastebin
[15:48:27] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[15:49:50] <paulweb515> Ovais: here's an API possibility
[15:49:55] <paulweb515> Ovais: http://pastebin.ca/917577
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[15:50:22] <rcjsuen> paulweb515: That's what I was trying to get at per dynamic population.
[15:50:27] <paulweb515> Ovais: basically, you implement a CompoundContributionItem for org.examples.protocol.contributions.DynamicMenus
[15:50:42] <Ovais> This is my menu as in the RCP application, Protocol -> Add new protocol stack ... , separator, Protocol 1, Protocol 2
[15:51:07] <paulweb515> Ovais: OK, so you would use a command for "Add" and then the separator and then the dynamic contribution
[15:51:13] * rcjsuen nods.
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[15:51:51] <paulweb515> In you DynamicMenus class you can then simply return an array of MenuManagers datafilled with the different protocol information
[15:52:34] <Ovais> ok that is interesting
[15:54:03] <Ovais> I think there is an example on this link for dynamic menus -> Check out this wiki article - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Menu_Contributions
[15:54:18] <paulweb515> Ovais: yes ...
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[15:54:40] <Ovais> I will try this, thanks a lot indeed, I have been stuck in this for a long time
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[15:55:33] <paulweb515> Basically you would be implementing getContributionItems() as in that example ... turning your "Add" into a command+Handler so that it can be placed in your menu contribution
[15:55:44] <paulweb515> we're around, let us know how it goes
[15:56:32] <Ovais> ok great, I will try that probably tomorrow, I am in a different timezone
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[15:56:42] <Ovais> paulweb515: Did you manage to look at the second problem that I put on the newsgroups?
[15:58:07] <dongs> kthx
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[15:58:12] <paulweb515> Ovais: about enabling/disabling global actions?
[15:58:39] <Ovais> paulweb515: yes, I am looking at your response
[15:59:10] <paulweb515> Ovais: there isn't really a way to track them down ... although if are talking about your dynamic additions you have 2 options
[15:59:58] <paulweb515> Ovais: one option is to use commands and handlers ... your handler can check your model state (or register itself as a listener on your internal state) and fire a HandlerEvent.  That will update all menu/toolbar enabled states
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[16:00:42] <paulweb515> Ovais: the other option if you are still using actions with your DynamicMenus contributions is that you post your actions to a manager somewhere, and have your code access them from there
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[16:02:05] <Ovais> You mean save the action to some kind of a common object and then access the action from the object that wants to change its state?
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[16:03:35] <paulweb515> Ovais: right, when you create the actions post them to something like: Activator.getDefault().getActionManager().put(IAction) ... then the other parts of your program that need to update it go to your action manager
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[16:04:22] <Ovais> What if the action is added declaratively through actionSet extension
[16:04:44] <amcconnell> pardon me, is this the right place for asking a newbie question?
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[16:06:03] <rcjsuen> amcconnell: No one will stop you as long as it's got to do with Eclipse.
[16:06:04] <paulweb515> Ovais: those aren't accessible through that method ... that's one of the reasons the action framework is in maintenance mode.  Commands+Handlers are being actively developed, and are fairly mature by 3.3 (the menu contribution stuff is new in 3.3 and is a little rougher)
[16:06:54] <amcconnell> it does. here goes:
[16:06:56] <Ovais> hmm, understood, do you think I should convert my Actions that I am using in RCP app, adding them through ApplicationActionBarAdvisor, to commands/handlers
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[16:08:12] <paulweb515> Ovais: The short answer is yes :-)  but the longer answer is that really depends on the scope of your project and what kind of timeframe you have to update to the later eclipse versions (3.3, 3.4)
[16:08:16] <Ovais> I wanted to reuse the actions that I was using in the RCP app, in the eclipse plugin, so I can maximize code reuse and do things the same way, but this means RCP and eclipse plugin are a different ball game
[16:09:09] <amcconnell> I'm using Eclipse with PDT for PHP work, and I just imported a project from CVS to my workspace. the problem is, Eclipse doesn't seem to be parsing the PHP. I have nothing in the class/function browser, code folding doesn't work, etc. I have syntax highlighting and that's about it.
[16:09:30] <paulweb515> Ovais: if you have a lot of stuff working, you don't really want to spend 2 months trying to convert it (just because paulweb515 said it was a good idea :-)  ... there has to be a perceived benefit, although commands and handlers support and new capabilities might be enough to justify it
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[16:10:20] <paulweb515> Ovais: of course an  Eclipse RCP app can be almost entirely made of eclipse plugins (the reuse would be of the commands+handlers) ... that would make them more or less the same
[16:10:42] <rcjsuen> ~tell amcconnell about nature
[16:10:43] <KOS-MOS> amcconnell: Need to assign a nature to a project by hand? http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_do_I_manually_assign_a_project_Nature_or_BuildCommand.3F
[16:11:04] <paulweb515> Ovais: but once again it depends on how much you have invested in the action framework and what your time commitments are like
[16:11:08] <Ovais> ok paulweb515 thanks very much for your time, I gotta go to gym, will get back to you on the dynamic menu stuff
[16:11:32] <paulweb515> Ovais: good luck
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[16:18:02] <amcconnell> KOS-MOS: okay, re-validating now. seems to be working...
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[16:19:52] <amcconnell> I think that did it. many thanks!
[16:20:02] <atom> anyone know why eclipse crashes on me whenever the code-completion window opens?
[16:20:13] <atom> Imean, it opens, shows the completions, and then it crashes.
[16:20:40] <rcjsuen> ~tell atom about info
[16:20:41] <KOS-MOS> atom: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[16:21:29] <rcjsuen> atom: When did this start happening? Is this a clean installation?
[16:22:04] <atom> Gentoo linux (official packages), x86, sun-jdk-1.6.0.04, eclipse-3.3.1.1
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[16:22:19] <rcjsuen> atom: By official packages you mean you got it from Portage?
[16:22:23] <atom> rcjsuen: I reinstalled it today, hoping it would solve the problem
[16:22:27] <atom> rcjsuen: correct
[16:22:32] <rcjsuen> atom: Talk to Elvanor in #gentoo-java.
[16:22:46] <rcjsuen> atom: Meanwhile, if you have time, please try to reproduce by downloading Eclipse from eclipse.org.
[16:22:55] <rcjsuen> atom: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.3.1.1-200710231652/index.php
[16:22:59] <atom> rcjsuen: ok. thanks. Will post back
[16:23:12] <rcjsuen> atom: Good luck.
[16:27:24] <safak_> can I clean the workspace without -clean ?
[16:27:47] <rcjsuen> safak_: Depends what you mean by -clean. But no, -clean probably doesn't do what you think it does.
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[16:28:55] <safak_> rcjsuen: I deleted plugins in the plugin directory and started with -clean but obviously something went wrong so I still have unresolved plugin problems and the thing is I don't know the update sites and the ones there are are not satisfying
[16:29:12] <safak_> the problem is also, that I just don't know what plugins are installed
[16:29:23] <safak_> because of the "plugin hell" you know like the "dll hell"
[16:29:39] <safak_> I mean so I could look up the new update sites on the weg
[16:29:41] <safak_> web
[16:32:34] <safak_> need a plugin to manage plugins
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[16:33:29] <rcjsuen> safak_: that's what p2 should do
[16:33:40] <safak_> what is p2
[16:33:51] <rcjsuen> ~wiki Equinox p2
[16:33:52] <KOS-MOS> Check out this wiki article - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2
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[16:48:11] <safak_> how do I find out the required plugins by eclipse
[16:48:36] <safak_> everything org.eclipse.* ?
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[16:59:01] <zx> safak: If you go to Help->Software Updates->Manage Configuration
[16:59:10] <zx> you should see what can't be satisfied and why
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[17:05:32] <safak> ok I download an new eclipse now
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[17:09:20] <safak> zx: ah, yes I know I checked that out - there are plugins which are disabled, not enabable and not uninstallable
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[17:15:24] <atom> Ok, so I contacted Elvanor, we bugfixed around a bit and discovered the same thing also happens with the official build. Then he said he can't help me much anymore, so I came here in search of an another brave soul that would be a bit more knowlegable
[17:16:29] <atom> so, the problem is that eclipse crashes on startup, with 1.6.03 sun-jdk, with the out-of-the-box config and a clean workspace
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[17:16:54] <atom> on gentoo linux, official build downloaded from eclipses site a few minutes ago
[17:17:46] <rcjsuen> atom: Window > Show View > Other > General > Internal Web Browser, does it work
[17:18:13] <atom> gentoo's portage package also crashes. The crash report says SIGSEGV in [libmozjs.so+0x1bb1a]
[17:18:26] <atom> rcjsuen: can't get to the main workspace view. Crashes on startup now
[17:18:34] <atom> with -clean, I might add.
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[17:18:54] <rcjsuen> oh, right
[17:19:16] <atom> rcjsuen: you might be on to something you know?
[17:19:31] <atom> rcjsuen: a new workspace shows a view that is quite probably made with html
[17:19:40] <rcjsuen> atom: yes, that's correct
[17:19:46] <rcjsuen> ~219700
[17:19:47] <KOS-MOS> Bug 219700 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=219700 - Platform / SWT / 3.3.1 - PC / Linux - NEW / major / - Assignee:grant_gayed at ca dot ibm.com - Eclipse crashes when I browse with internal browser
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[17:20:08] <atom> rcjsuen: the old workspace didn't crash on startup because that workspace had documents open and not the browser
[17:20:35] <rcjsuen> atom: backup the old workspace, run Eclipse on that workspace with -data /path/to/other/
[17:20:41] <rcjsuen> atom: then try to use the internal web browser
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[17:59:55] <sjf> hi
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[18:00:17] <sjf> does anyone know where I can get eclipse for solaris-x86?
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[18:01:26] <akravets> hello
[18:01:43] <akravets> anybody's using Instantiations' WindowTester here?
[18:06:42] <ekuleshov> zx: hey. do you know what is happening with zest?
[18:08:09] <zx> ekuleshov: what do you mean?
[18:09:51] <ekuleshov> jvanzyl: am I looking at the wrong location in cvs or there was no commits since september or something?  the web pages in gef projects have broken links or pointing back to mylyn, in the code javadocs are missing or incomplete... and I can continue like that little longer. :-)
[18:12:18] <ekuleshov> zx: also, what is happening with pde visualization plugin? was there any releases recently? any plans to integrate that thing directly with the pde editor?
[18:13:03] <zx> ekuleshov: Zest isn't in the SDK so we aren't going to integrate it within PDE. It's current available on an update site from the PDE Incubator web page
[18:14:10] <ekuleshov> zx: right, but it can still contribute additional tab to the editor trough extension points or at least provide actions...
[18:15:30] <ekuleshov> zx: and it also doesn't seem like there been any update of visualization plugin since last October...
[18:15:44] <zx> ekuleshov: yes it can, if you want better "integration" you can file bugs and Ian or I will work on them
[18:15:56] <ekuleshov> zx: I am just trying to figure out if project is alive or it is a dead baby after moving to gef.
[18:16:01] <zx> ekuleshov: eventually I will push Draw2D and Zest into the SDK, just give me time to nag
[18:16:16] <zx> ekuleshov: It's still alive, Ian maintains Zest in GEF more so than GEF maintains itself imho
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[18:16:45] <ekuleshov> zx: is org.eclipse.gef/plugins/org.eclipse.zest.core the right location?
[18:17:28] <zx> ekuleshov: yap, should be
[18:17:52] <ekuleshov> zx: plugin org.eclipse.gef/plugins/org.eclipse.zest.layouts has PDE build errors and I haven't been able to find any recent commits after moving to gef. maybe I am missing something, but how is this maintaining? :-)
[18:20:09] <nitind> ekuleshov: Are there project specific PDE preferences in the plug-in, and if not are your own preferences perhaps more strict?
[18:21:31] <ekuleshov> nitind: it doesn't have project preferences. this error been introduced in 3.4m5 I think - "Plug-ins declaring extensions or extension points must set the singleton directive to true"
[18:22:18] <ketan> sjf: did you look at SFE ?
[18:22:22] <ekuleshov> nitind: though that might be actually a bug in PDE, because this plugin have practically empty plugin.xml and don't declare any extension points
[18:22:29] <nitind> ekuleshov: Actually, it does have propject preferences, but they're outdated.
[18:22:56] <nitind> ekuleshov: And that, too.
[18:23:02] <ekuleshov> nitind: not for PDE manifest compiler
[18:23:54] <nitind> Strange, then what's this org.eclipse.pde.prefs file for.
[18:24:15] <nitind> ekuleshov: I see it's not set in the UI to use project-specific preferences.
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[18:26:49] <zx> oh crap
[18:27:01] <zx> There's a bug open for those project specific settings and PDE issues
[18:27:06] <zx> ;o!
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[18:36:01] <ekuleshov> zx: back to my original question. where are all new commits on zest? :-)
[18:36:36] <zx> ekuleshov: bug Ian, he is the maintainer... do you have bugs or requests that should be committed ;)?
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[18:37:53] <ekuleshov> zx: ok. where is Ian then? :-)  I listed a few issues above. from the web site it is even unclear how to get the code. this stuff need to be fixed, then someone should bring the javadocs up to the level
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[18:46:40] <zx> ekuleshov: there's a Zest component under GEF to file bugs against Zest
[18:47:00] <zx> ekuleshov: I know Ian is actually working on a home page for Zest but has been on vacation for the last couple of weeks
[18:48:10] <ekuleshov> zx: I see...
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[19:05:24] <rcjsuen> atom: your problem is probably different from that one
[19:05:34] <rcjsuen> because your failure is not in libc.so
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[19:05:54] <atom> rcjsuen: already reporting a new bug.
[19:05:57] <atom> was that you?
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[19:06:27] <rcjsuen> atom: no, that wasn't me, but i was thinking the same thing when i saw the logs
[19:06:30] <atom> rcjsuen: I've got a lot of data collected, i've even tried the suggested test build
[19:06:42] <rcjsuen> but yes, essentially i'm saying the same thing Grant just said
[19:07:02] <atom> rcjsuen: I can't see which libmozjs.so eclipse is trying to use though
[19:07:19] <atom> strace doesn't come up with anything useful, and ldd says it's not a dynamic executable
[19:07:41] <atom> I've removed seamonkey from my system and recompiled eclipse, but still no joy
[19:08:03] <atom> hoping, of course, that it would link with firefox this time
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[20:57:03] <roundyz> Hello all.
[20:57:15] <roundyz> Has Anyone set up a cvs before ?
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[20:57:26] <roundyz> Could you give me some help perhaps?
[20:57:35] <rcjsuen> roundyz: Sounds like a question for the CVS guys.
[20:57:47] <rcjsuen> roundyz: Do you mean setting up a CVS server or checking code out from CVS using Eclipse?
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[21:05:38] <atom> rcjsuen: this is getting more interesting by the minute :)
[21:06:17] <atom> rcjsuen: bug #220246
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[21:14:01] <rcjsuen> atom: with installed eclipse you should point at the linux x86 jar
[21:14:06] <rcjsuen> not just the org.eclipse.swt jar
[21:14:09] <rcjsuen> that jar has "nothing"
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[21:23:11] <atom> rcjsuen: still searching for that jar
[21:27:08] <reinis> what does it mean that it's building workspace?
[21:27:34] <reinis> it's running pydev builder and seems to be loading every python file I have
[21:28:27] <reinis> I can't work meanwhile, and I'm afraid that it'll start over if I cancel
[21:29:50] <reinis> and cancelling it doesn't seem to help
[21:29:53] <reinis> it's still going
[21:30:05] <reinis> argh!
[21:30:33] <atom> reinis: I don't even understand what you are doing. Are you sure you're on the right channel?
[21:31:07] <reinis> atom: have you heard of pydev?
[21:31:20] <atom> reinis: in passing
[21:31:43] <reinis> this is what the faq says about it: http://pydev.sourceforge.net/faq.html#the_pydev_builder_is_taking_too_much_of_my_time_w
[21:31:51] <reinis> however, pylint isn't enabled for me
[21:32:25] <atom> well... this is obviously way over my league - i'm just getting started with eclipse, and already It's crashing like crazy
[21:32:44] <reinis> never crashed for me once
[21:33:00] <reinis> sure it's not pebkac?
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[21:33:03] <reinis> just kidding : P
[21:33:37] <atom> reinis: it might be, but i'm sitting at a bugzilla entry that has been pretty busy for the last half hour
[21:34:24] <atom> reinis: it is entirely possible that the fault lies with my system configuration. in fact, it's bloody likely, but I don't have a clue what could be wrong that was my fault
[21:35:13] <atom> some env vars don't seem to be set, I don't have some config files... In short, I'm clueless and there's some smart ppl helping. Not that I've been debugging this problem on my own the entire afternoon
[21:36:02] <reinis> unlucky
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[21:47:49] <kb-> hi - i am using eclipse under gentoo amd 64, i got every time errors like 'too much files open' and stuff. it isnt even able to save the state of the workbench with a error like:
[21:47:50] <kb-> Problems occurred while trying to save the state of the workbench.
[21:47:50] <kb->   Could not read master table.
[21:47:50] <kb->   /home/kb1/workspace/.metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.core.resources/.safetable/org.eclipse.core.resources (Too many open files)
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[21:54:10] <reinis> btw, how do you turn on line numbers?
[21:54:45] <rcjsuen> ~gfaq
[21:54:57] <rcjsuen> I guess I don't have that macro anymore
[21:55:02] <rcjsuen> reinis: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#How_do_I_show_line_numbers_in_the_Eclipse_text_editor.3F
[21:55:06] <reinis> ty
[21:55:13] <rcjsuen> ~add gfaq http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs
[21:55:14] <KOS-MOS> The new keyword "gfaq" has been stored. In the future, you can ask me about "gfaq" and I will respond.
[21:55:39] <reinis> nice, that was pretty painless
[21:56:08] <rcjsuen> reinis: we try
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[21:56:31] <kb-> can nobody help me? :(
[22:00:29] <paulweb515> kb-: which JVM are you using?
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[22:04:47] <reinis> I wish the encoding heuristics would just go away
[22:05:05] <reinis> they've messed up my files a couple of times because of false positives
[22:05:54] <reinis> for instance, in zope's templating language, you can have a default encoding present, but that doesn't mean that it's the actual one
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[22:06:30] <reinis> so I open the file with the default encoding, change something, save it and voila, everything's borken, and it took me a while to realize what happened the first time I did it
[22:07:13] <reinis> any suggestions?
[22:09:00] <reinis> it setting a default iso-8859-something encoding based on my system locale is plenty stupid too
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[22:12:33] <reinis> s**t, it's at it again, parsing the thousands of .py files I have
[22:14:01] <reinis> and I can't do anything until it finishes, or cancel it
[22:14:04] <reinis> thanks, pydev
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[22:33:04] <vipaca> How do you make eclipse recognize diffrent fill extensions?
[22:34:20] <rcjsuen> ~content-type
[22:34:21] <KOS-MOS> How do I open my own file types in the WTP/PDT editors? http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_FAQ#How_do_I_use_my_own_filename_extensions_in_the_XML_editor.3F_It_only_works_correctly_if_a_file_ends_with_.xml.
[22:37:06] <vipaca> rcjsuen:Are you trying to tell me how to make eclipse recognize different file types
[22:37:35] <vipaca> Or rather filetypes with diffrent filename suffix
[22:39:29] <zx> There's an extension point for it
[22:41:05] <nitind> vipaca: What do you mean by recognize?  Recognize them when doing what?
[22:41:40] <rcjsuen> good question
[22:42:48] <vipaca> to I have .tcl files and these are syntax highlighted and I get outlines
[22:43:04] <vipaca> I would like to eclipse to treat .xxx the same
[22:43:35] <vipaca> nitind: does this make since?
[22:45:21] <nitind> vipaca: Yes, in which case that faq entry *might* do the trick.  It depends on the TCL editor and how well it supports content types.
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[22:51:47] <vipaca> nitind: I looked and I didn't see this answered in the FAQ
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[22:52:39] <nitind> vipaca: The one at ~content-type ?
[22:52:39] <KOS-MOS> How do I open my own file types in the WTP/PDT editors? http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_FAQ#How_do_I_use_my_own_filename_extensions_in_the_XML_editor.3F_It_only_works_correctly_if_a_file_ends_with_.xml.
[22:53:49] <vipaca> thanks
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[22:57:26] <vipaca> I read that but it didnn't make a whole lot of sense
[22:57:35] <vipaca> Im looking for direction to make this happen
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[23:00:04] <vipaca> nm
[23:00:09] <vipaca> I found after looking for File Associations preference page
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[23:21:16] <XBO> Hi All, I'm back with more Eclipse on (K)ubuntu Gutsy woes. Downloaded 3.3.1.1 Classic from eclipse.org, unzipped into /opt/eclipse-3.3.1.1, created a symlink /usr/bin/eclipse -> /opt/eclipse-3.3.1.1/eclipse. Now the PROBLEM: when starting eclipse as root: sudo eclipse (to get the updates, etc), it starts with the same workspace as I used as a regular user. Also it seems like it ignores ~/.eclipse/eclipserc altogether. Help, please!
[23:23:50] <XBO> I tried using the startup scripts found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EclipseIDE, it helped the eclipserc issue, but it still starts with the same workspace for root and regular user, which creates problems with changing the ownership of workspace files
[23:24:04] <amcconnell> I did a chown of /opt/eclipse to myself, got the updates, then chowned it back to root
[23:24:35] <amcconnell> not elegant, but effective
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[23:25:07] <XBO> amcconnell: but that's ugly, isn't it? I don't really have other users on my system, I'm the only one using eclipse, but it's just not right!
[23:26:21] <XBO> amcconnell: in this case I'd better be off just installing eclipse into my home dir and working off of there, but it's not really Linux-y :(
[23:26:41] <reinis> is it possible I display a line marking the 79th column?
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[23:27:43] <amcconnell> xbo: agreed, but eclipse and ubuntu seem to go out of their way to break each other's update management systems and we are caught in the middle
[23:28:48] <XBO> amcconnell: true, that's why I downloaded the vanilla eclipse from eclipse.org vs. using ubuntu packages. I mean, eclipse had a good thing in earlier versions, why break it?
[23:30:15] <XBO> amcconnell: and then again, it doesn't seem to be a ubuntu problem, it applies to all linuxes (not supporting eclipserc, etc)
[23:30:30] <reinis> your fault for using ubuntu or linux
[23:34:12] <nitind> reinis:Not a good attitude.  And you want the Text Editors preference page and its "Show print margin" checkbox.
[23:34:33] <reinis> ty
[23:34:53] <XBO> reinis: right, write once, run anywhere, eh?
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[23:35:37] <amcconnell> reinis is just paraphrasing the eclipse site, which roughly says "your fault for using 3rd party repositories"
[23:36:49] <reinis> no, I just meant that you should use bsd to be l33t in my eyes. in other words, just kidding
[23:36:52] <XBO> amcconnell: I'm NOT using repos. Just vanilla download from eclipse.org. And I kinda agree that 3rd party repos sometimes don't get it right. But sayin "you fault..." and NOT providing the right way sucks
[23:36:56] <XBO> reinis: :)
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[23:40:13] <rabbit64> Hi. I'm trying to use CDT. In 'outline' window I have, no variables; classes, nothing (An outline not available). But in 'Project Explorer' are my variables recognized. So how to add it to 'Outline'. CODE COMLPETION doesn't work either, but (i thought) it's somehow connected to that outline thing. So how to fix this?
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