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[00:25:24] <francis4> rcjsuen, I discovered my issues with respect to the delete participant support, i was running into bug 63149
[00:25:33] <rcjsuen> ~63149
[00:25:34] <KOS-MOS> Bug 63149 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=63149 - JDT / UI / 3.0 - PC / Linux - NEW / enhancement / - Assignee:jdt-ui-inbox at eclipse dot org - [ltk] allow changes to be executed after the 'main' change during an undo [refactoring]
[00:25:41] <rcjsuen> ic
[00:25:52] <paulweb515_> hi francis4
[00:26:02] <paulweb515_> I see you found 63149
[00:26:16] <francis4> paulweb515, yes, i would be happy to do a patch if you want
[00:26:41] <paulweb515_> I would think it's not enough to simply run the Undo participant after the main undo, but you would need to run that delete participant before the main delete ... no?
[00:27:15] <francis4> it's no problem to run that delete participant either before or after the main delete
[00:27:29] <francis4> all it needs to do is get and save the properties
[00:27:57] <paulweb515_> francis4: oh ... I would think if it already supports running a DP before the delete, shouldn't it undo the change after the delete undo?
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[00:28:03] <francis4> and if running after the main delete (as it does not), the properties can be saved in the  intialize method instead of perform()
[00:28:32] <francis4> paulweb515, no, the changes for undo are executed in reverse order (which is the way it should be)
[00:28:55] <paulweb515_> francis4: but ... then you can't run a deleteParticpant before the main delete ... right?
[00:29:17] <francis4> paulweb515, yes, but it does not matter
[00:29:29] <paulweb515_> or is it the case where you're saving your properties in one of the pre-calculate methods (since the resource is still there)
[00:29:40] <francis4> paulweb515, exactly
[00:29:55] <francis4> paulweb515, I save them in the initialize or constructor, someplace like that
[00:30:09] <paulweb515_> I would think that one solution (albeit the most work) would be to make an entire delete particpant to run before the main delete
[00:30:28] <paulweb515_> Then its Change object would be generated before the main delete, and on undo it would  correctly run backwards
[00:30:32] <francis4> paulweb515, i don't think we should special case the DP
[00:30:59] <paulweb515_> francis4: I mean, I don't see why this isn't a general property of participants ...
[00:31:01] <francis4> paulweb515, I think it's better to allow any participant to run either before or after the "do" and then it would run in it's corresponding place after the unto
[00:31:06] <paulweb515_> I gotta run, but I can talk later
[00:31:22] <francis4> paulweb515, ok, nice to meet you in person so to speak :)
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[00:55:18] <jackp10> hi to everyone..
[00:56:05] <jackp10> i dowloaded eclipse pdt yesterday and i have a question which i cannot find the answer on internet...
[00:56:29] <jackp10> can i use eclipse to edit a normal website developed in php ?
[00:56:53] <jackp10> i have an existing website in php, and i would like to use eclipse to edit the php files included in it
[00:57:53] <jackp10> is it something i can do ? i can see i can create php projects, or create a php file, bu i couldn't find any information or tip related to how open an existing website
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[01:02:09] <jackp10> is there anyone who can help me ?
[01:02:34] <zx|wtf> with what problem?
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[01:03:27] <jackp10>  dowloaded eclipse pdt yesterday and i have a question which i cannot find the answer on internet...
[01:03:38] <jackp10> can i use eclipse to edit a normal website developed in php ?
[01:03:51] <jackp10> i  have an existing website in php, and i would like to use eclipse to edit the php files included in it
[01:04:16] <jackp10> is it something i can do ? i can see i can create php projects, or create a php file, bu i couldn't find any information or tip related to how open an existing website
[01:04:40] <francis4> francis4: test
[01:04:47] <francis4> francis4, test
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[01:09:58] <jackp10> zx|work: any idea if it is somwhing i can do with eclipse ?
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[01:22:47] <shortcircuit> Is there a way to disable the intellisense-like behavior in Eclipse?  My system is only a 2.2GHz P4; Each time Eclipse looks up class members, it locks up for at least 15 seconds.
[01:23:21] <shortcircuit> (FWIW, I'm using the CDT)
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[01:24:52] <jackp10> shortcircuit: i guess we are the only two people active in this chat at the moment
[01:25:18] <jackp10> and i am sorry, but i dont think i am able to answer you, as i started to ue eclipse since yesterday
[01:26:53] <shortcircuit> jackp10: I started using it Thursday.  What you need to do is go to File->Import, open the "General" folder, and choose "File Syetem".
[01:27:14] <shortcircuit> er. "File System"
[01:28:07] <jackp10> and that will bring me the website into eclipse as a project ?
[01:28:12] <shortcircuit> Also...Eclipse's built-in help system pulls pages from the online manual, much like Visual Studio's builtin help.  You should look into that.
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[01:28:31] <shortcircuit> jackp10: What OS are you using?
[01:28:41] <jackp10> osx
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[01:28:57] <shortcircuit> jackp10: If the website exists somewhere on your filesystem, then yes.
[01:29:44] <jackp10> i have done it, but i have a window now, where it aske me for "From Directory"
[01:29:55] <shortcircuit> jackp10: What do you think that means?
[01:29:58] <jackp10> i gave it the path of my existing website
[01:30:09] <jackp10> and below it ask me "Into folder"
[01:30:28] <jackp10> the Next and Finish button are disabled
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[01:30:38] <shortcircuit> The "Into folder" bit refers to a directory within your "workspace".
[01:31:10] <shortcircuit> Just enter some folder name, and it will create it. (I.e. the name of your website)
[01:31:41] <jackp10> oh..so i have to create my project first, and after import the into it
[01:32:20] <shortcircuit> Not sure on that part.  Remember, I'm new too. :-)
[01:32:41] <jackp10> i have created a php project right now...
[01:32:45] <jackp10> redone he process
[01:32:54] <shortcircuit> Just remember that Eclipse will make a *copy* of your website data.  When you go to update the website, you'll need to copy the data out of your workspace.
[01:32:57] <jackp10> but i am stock in the same windows
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[01:33:27] <jackp10> it wont let me press either the Next button or the finish button
[01:33:40] <shortcircuit> jackp10: You'll have to figure it out.
[01:33:53] <shortcircuit> I can't see your screen, so you're going to have to play with the controls until you get it to work.  That's how I did it.
[01:34:20] <jackp10> i think i have done it...
[01:34:45] <jackp10> there wa a check box next to the project name.. i had to select it
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[01:35:11] <shortcircuit> I don't need a blow-by-blow. :-)
[01:35:32] <bobbytech> how can I specify the eclipse vm without having it open a console when eclipse loads?
[01:35:57] <jackp10> for now thanks shortcircuit
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[01:46:43] <nitind> bobbytech: Specify javaw.exe instead of java.exe.
[01:50:27] <bobbytech> nice
[01:50:30] <bobbytech> thanks
[01:50:44] <bobbytech> I'm trying to get the whole m2eclipse tools.jar thing working
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[02:24:16] <jcw> Hello.  I need some help with Eclipse.  Apparently, I am too stupid to figure out how to open existing projects.  I have a CD that has a directory of projects from the CodeSourcery site.  Nothing I've spent the last 45 minutes doing has succeeded in opening an existing project.  What basic concept am I missing here?
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[02:27:33] <nitind> Unless they're Eclipse projects, don't think of thwm as existing projects.
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[02:28:06] <jcw> As far as I know, they are Eclipse projects.
[02:28:31] <jcw> They have .metadata directories, and everything CodeSourcery does is based around Eclipse.
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[03:06:15] <francis4> jcw: something with a .metadata directory is an eclipse workspace, not a project
[03:07:20] <jcw> I tried switching workspaces to the directory with the .metadata directory in it, and nothing seemed to happen.  No projects appeared.
[03:08:09] <francis4> jcw: what are the other contents of the directory that contains the .metadata dir?
[03:08:36] <francis4> jcw: projects are top level directories at the same level as .metadata
[03:09:16] <francis4> jcw: and each project contains a file called .project
[03:09:39] <francis4> jcw: and if the .metadata directory is that of a workspace, it should contain a directory called .plugins
[03:09:39] <jcw> ewarm, gcc (an output directory for the Makefile), rvmdk, and codesourcerygxx
[03:09:52] <jcw> It does contain a directory called .plugins.
[03:10:09] <jcw> I don't see a .project file, or anything similiar (this is Windoze)
[03:10:21] <francis4> jcw: another thing you can do is import the project from a directory
[03:10:34] <francis4> jcw: each project should have a .project file even on windows
[03:11:26] <jcw> There's nothing named *project* anywhere in the collection.
[03:11:37] <jcw> * as in regular expression
[03:11:38] <francis4> jcw: hmmm, then they are probably not eclipse projects
[03:12:21] <francis4> jcw: can you post the contents of the directories somewhere on the web where I can see it, or email it to me
[03:12:35] <jcw> Yes, Just a moment please.
[03:15:15] <jcw> I'm going to have to cut a portion out.  The entire zip file is 38MB.
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[03:17:11] <francis4> jcw: ok
[03:17:46] <francis4> jcw: i can download 38mb no problem if it's easy for you
[03:18:06] <jcw> No, the upload is the problem.  384K up ADSL.
[03:19:32] <jcw> http://jcwren.com/eclipse
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[03:21:17] <francis4> jcw: ok, wait one
[03:21:31] <jcw> roger
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[03:27:21] <francis4> jcw: these are not eclipse projects
[03:27:38] <jcw> That's really odd.
[03:27:40] <francis4> jcw: oddly, the .metadata file seems to be a valid workspace
[03:27:50] <francis4> jcw: do you have the CDT installed?
[03:28:05] <jcw> Since CodeSourcery.com's big thing is Eclipse & GCC integration.
[03:28:14] <jcw> What is CDT?
[03:28:34] <francis4> jcw: CDT is the C/C++ development tooling, it does not come by default with eclipse
[03:29:15] <francis4> jcw: you should get that installed and then you can create a project and import the directories from your CD into that project (or projects)
[03:29:46] <francis4> jcw: or maybe there is some kind of CDT-specific way of importing.  Once you have CDT installed, go to import and you may see some options which are helpful
[03:30:32] <jcw> I honestly don't know.  The processor in question is a LuminaryMicro Stellaris LM3S6569.  LuminaryMicro contracted to CodeSourcery (who apparently does lots of processor ports of GCC and tools) for the changes to the compiler.  I have the compiler installed, and I can create a project and compile.  I just can't seem to open a project.
[03:31:25] <francis4> jcw: but you installed eclipse yourself, right?
[03:31:43] <jcw> Via a Windows .msi package, yes.
[03:32:34] <francis4> jcw: ok, go to the eclipse cdt site (google it) and download the version that correspond to your eclipse version and then try fooling around with the import, or maybe even point the workspace to your top level directory, but you certainly need CDT
[03:32:52] <francis4> jcw: you are in alameda, no?
[03:32:57] <jcw> No.
[03:33:00] <jcw> Atlanta, GA.
[03:33:03] <jcw> Or near there.
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[03:33:21] <francis4> jcw: ok, i am thought your company was there
[03:33:26] <francis4> jcw: as i'm in Oakland
[03:34:16] <jcw> Nope.  My company is a just me, a little 1 person embedded shop.  Mostly ARM stuff, and the occasional embedded Linux gig.
[03:34:40] <francis4> jcw: I see, I have to run now, but try the CDT stuff, sorry I can't be more helpful than that
[03:34:51] <jcw> I greatly appreicate the help you've provided so far.
[03:34:56] <jcw> Thank you very much.
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[03:50:11] <CodeWar> anyway i can grep the current file opened in the editor and display all lines that match?
[03:50:20] <CodeWar> This is different from the Ctrl-F feature
[03:54:18] <rcjsuen> You could use Ctrl+H on the 'Selected Resource' I s'pose.
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[03:58:31] <CodeWar> Grrrr selected resources seems to be grayed out.  How I wish all these smart intelligent people had worked to better emacs than write a new eclipse ;)
[03:59:02] <rcjsuen> CodeWar: If you select it in something like 'Package Explorer', it should work.
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[04:01:01] <CodeWar> rcjsuen thanks that works except the display is in a tree index format .. not just a listing of matchign lines ;)
[04:01:13] <CodeWar> let me google for some fancy plugin dont even know what to search for :)
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[04:01:38] <rcjsuen> You might be able to change the orientation of the result, not sure.
[04:01:42] <rcjsuen> Doesn't the tree only have one child though?
[04:02:27] <CodeWar> I guess theres nothing wrong with that format except I come from a crazy unix grep background its my bad ;) I m used to grepping the output buffer and all sortsa nasty things
[04:03:42] <rcjsuen> CodeWar: I usually just grep from the command line if I need to grep one file.
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[04:08:50] <complex_> hi
[04:10:41] <complex_> changing alignment of a button text dosn't work if text and image is set.
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[04:14:37] <complex_> for example: http://pastebin.com/m2cea37bf
[04:15:08] <complex_> if i set only button text, or only button image thant it works. any ideas?
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[04:28:10] <gbv22> guys..im using eclipse for the first time on a particular machine..and whenver i click on a java file in my project explorer..it opens up in a seperate text editor. its like eclipse dosent know that java exists on my machine...any suggestions?
[04:28:49] <francis4> gbv22: try open With...  and select the java editor.  The file is a .java file?
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[04:29:06] <gbv22> francis4: its a .java file
[04:29:50] <francis4> gbv22: odd, do try open with.. and see if you see a java editor
[04:30:34] <gbv22> francis4: all i see is text editor, system editor and defaiult editor :(
[04:31:16] <gbv22> francis4: when i go to window/prefrences..i dont see anything abotu java
[04:31:19] <francis4> gbv22: at least that's consistent, your eclipse is missing the JDT (java development tooling)
[04:31:28] <gbv22> francis4: how do i get that?
[04:31:28] <francis4> gbv22: what did you install?
[04:31:39] <gbv22> francis4: i did a yum install eclipse
[04:31:53] <gbv22> francis4: im on a fedora8 machine
[04:32:13] <gbv22> francis4: how do i get java development tooling?
[04:32:16] <francis4> gbv22: oh, i use fc8 as well, but i never trust the fedora eclipse distros, just cuz i don't know
[04:32:20] <francis4> gbv22: wait one
[04:32:26] <gbv22> ok
[04:33:13] <francis4> gbv22: they have it broken into a million packages do a yum list *eclipse*  get the one with jdt
[04:33:47] <gbv22> eclipse-jdt.x86_64  is installed
[04:33:53] <gbv22> but the changelod isnt
[04:33:53] <francis4> gbv22: if you use svn, use the subclipse one too
[04:34:16] <gbv22> i dont use svn, but should i get the eclipse-changelog-jdt.x86_64
[04:34:17] <gbv22> ?
[04:34:51] <francis4> gbv22: not sure, try it, i have never heard of it.  i just download the entire eclipse sdk from the eclipse.org site and that works for me, i nevr user the fedora stuff, too complicated
[04:35:08] <gbv22> francis4: hmmm...i guess i should do that
[04:35:19] <francis4> gbv22: it will be easier
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[04:35:42] <francis4> gbv22: i also get java from sun, not from fedora, because the real jre works better for me
[04:35:57] <gbv22> francis4: is there a difference between the eclipse europa and the fedora one?
[04:36:52] <francis4> gbv22: don't know - but the versions match 3.3.0 is the euopra version.  however, you actually want 3.3.2, which has a lot of good fixes, that's another problem with using fedora for this purpose, they are always behind
[04:37:12] <gbv22> francis4: so why do they make their own version again?
[04:37:31] <francis4> gbv22: i think they just package it, but their stuff is old
[04:38:05] <gbv22> francis4: hmm..the one from eclipse's site works fine..thanks man..ive been bustin my brains over this for hours
[04:38:50] <francis4> gbv22: glad you got it working
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[04:48:50] <rcjsuen> gbv22: I recommend you file a bug to Fedora's bugzilla if their package doesn't seem to work properly.
[04:50:01] <gbv22> rcjsuen: ok..i will do that.
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[05:18:08] <the_giver> can eclipse be as useful and beautiful for php as it is for java? or should i stick to vim
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[05:24:09] <nitind> the_giver: Of course it can, you just need to add something like PDT to it.
[05:24:24] <rcjsuen> the_giver: JDT sets a pretty high bar. I guess it depends what features you want.
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[05:35:16] <the_giver> hmm
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[05:45:15] <francis4> the_giver: PDT is pretty good actually, the debugging capabilities alone make it really worth it
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[06:05:16] <the_giver> kool thx
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[06:36:18] <mrynit> hello
[06:37:58] <mrynit> what does a clock icon on a java file mean?
[06:38:52] <aramirez> Hi to all, which project/bundle  in eclipse does swt included?
[06:41:22] <aramirez> Hi to all, do I need to download a swt.jar and include it in my project? Is there any other way?
[06:42:12] <mrynit> i have never heard of it
[06:46:00] <aramirez> I have here j2ee eclipse and eclipse sdk
[06:46:16] <aramirez> in j2ee eclipse, i found the swt jars
[06:46:25] <aramirez> in eclipse sdk, I can't find it
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[06:46:43] <aramirez> i think, I need to update and install my eclipse sdk
[06:46:54] <aramirez> however, I'm not sure which project should I check
[06:46:56] <francis4> aramirez: swt is in the org.eclipse.swt bundle
[06:48:00] <francis4> aramirez: what type of app are you developing?  If you are developing RCP, then SWT should be there as long as you include the correct plugin dependency
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[06:48:36] <francis4> aramirez: if you just want SWT, then you will need to get swt.jar.  I think there are instructions for how to use SWT standalone on the swt site, i would loko there
[06:48:51] <nitind> mrynit: http://help.eclipse.org/stable/topic/org.eclipse.jdt.doc.user/reference/ref-156.htm
[06:49:22] <aramirez> francis4:  therefore, I need download swt.jar and include it in my classpath/lib ???
[06:49:24] <mrynit> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4215/clockiconoc2.png
[06:49:46] <francis4> aramirez: if you are using only swt, then yes
[06:49:55] <aramirez> ok
[06:49:58] <aramirez> thanx
[06:49:59] <mrynit> nitind: thanks!
[06:50:43] <francis4> mrynit: interesting, never seen that and no idea what it means
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[08:02:21] <wildwobby> Hello
[08:02:31] <wildwobby> Can someone help me with linking?
[08:03:11] <francis4> wildwobby: can you explain further what your problem is?
[08:04:12] <wildwobby> I'm using the Qt plugin, but I dont know how to link to a library I wand to use. SDL_mixxer
[08:04:16] <wildwobby> I'm using the Qt plugin, but I dont know how to link to a library I wand to use. SDL_mixer
[08:05:58] <francis4> wildwobby: sorry, don't know anything about that
[08:06:33] <wildwobby> ok
[08:06:41] <aramirez> wildwobby:  What's Qt? Is it Quicktime?
[08:06:44] <aramirez> :D
[08:07:09] <aramirez> sorry
[08:07:12] <aramirez> there i see it
[08:07:12] <aramirez> :D
[08:08:16] <wildwobby> No
[08:08:16] <wildwobby> Qt
[08:08:25] <wildwobby> Gui helper thingy
[08:08:39] <aramirez> wildwobby:  Why not include SDL_mixer in your build path..
[08:08:44] <wildwobby> how?
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[08:12:43] <aramirez> wildwobby:  hmmm... Sorry, I can't help coz it's c/cpp. Don't have any experience yet on developing those on eclipse. I only know java.
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[08:15:05] <smisra> I have a question about Eclipse RCP application development. Basically I want to have a view that is reusable for many different things, depending on a parameter. This view is basically going to be showing information about specific servers (but the list of servers is dynamic and changing).
[08:15:05] <smisra> I'm trying to develop a prototype wherein I click on a button and it creates a new View (let's call it SingleServerView, that extends ViewPart). What I'm doing currently doing is getting the display from the current view and using the showView function to set the new view (by id). I'm then casting the return back from that function call to a SingleServerView object and am planning to have an API in that class to allow me to set the parameter (for
[08:15:06] <smisra> How do I go about addressing this problem (which seems to be a design issue).
[08:16:56] <francis4> smisra: it got cut off, maybe you can post in rcp newsgroup since this seems long?
[08:18:09] <smisra> francis4: sure. let me try that.
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[08:34:14] <patrin70> Hi All
[08:34:45] <patrin70> who knows where the NLS fragments for 3.2.1 are located on CVS ?
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[09:07:43] <JViz> anybody know where i can get more color schemes for eclipse colorer
[09:08:17] <JViz> ?
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[09:23:16] <aramirez> JViz:  What do you mean?
[09:29:05] <JViz> i need light text on a dark background so i installed the eclipse colorer plugin, but all of the dark schemes have some dark text as well killing the contrast
[09:30:00] <JViz> i was hoping to find a new scheme for the eclipse colorer plugin, or find a way to manipulate the settings
[09:30:40] <JViz> i guess i could just uninstall eclipse colorer and do it manually
[09:31:40] <JViz> i was hoping to find something a bit more reproducible though
[09:31:58] <JViz> i did that once before, but now my settings are lost
[09:32:24] <JViz> and i have to do it for every language
[09:34:18] <aramirez> I haven't tried colorer before
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[09:34:35] <aramirez> but if ever i change the colors, I just do it on window->preference
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[09:35:05] <JViz> yeah, i've done that too
[09:35:32] <JViz> but if i change the background to a very dark color, i have to change all of the colors since the contrast is messed up
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[09:40:26] <complex_> lol, i just found that the swt button bug i descripted this morning still exists since over 2 years
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[09:49:59] <z4z4> complex_ :out of curiosity, which one is it?
[09:51:53] <complex_> z4z4: bug #114893 -> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=114893
[09:55:02] <z4z4> it looks like SWT folks are quite busy ;)
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[10:09:03] <eilartt> Could not update folding, Mylyn is not correctly installed
[10:11:47] <complex_> is there a way to use a custom composite as an item in a swt list or a table?
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[10:15:00] <complex_> for example: i have a composite which includes a larger image on the left sind. on the right side two labels with different font styles, 2nd label is below the first one.
[10:15:11] <complex_> sind=site
[10:17:14] <complex_> i want to put many items of this custom composite in a list or table, for easy selection and removing. this widget is not editable.
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[10:43:34] <gbv22> guys...i have an applet written in eclipse....how do i make it a .class file?
[10:43:40] <gbv22> its .java right now
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[10:46:02] <nitind> It should compile automatically if you have it in a Java project and have automatic building enabled on the Project menu.  Otherwise you could tell it to build manually.
[10:47:45] <gbv22> nitind: how do i tell it to build manually. like..when i run it..it opens up and runs fine. now, i want to put it in an html file...for that i need the .class file...
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[10:53:47] <nitind> gbv22: Project menu.
[10:54:36] <gbv22> buildall is greyed out..what should i use?
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[11:06:57] <nitind> gbv22: Is Build Automatically checked?  If so, there's nothing more to do assuming you're in a properly created Java Project.
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[12:18:47] <klopfdreh> hello, is there any way to set the default font in a RCP Application?
[12:20:11] <klopfdreh> So that even if the user change windows settings the default font is used everywhere in my ap
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[12:38:02] <johbar> hi there
[12:39:38] <johbar> It is possible to link a source/directory relative to its workspace?
[12:39:57] <johbar> Without adding an abolute variable of course
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[12:53:00] <soufi> hello guys....I'm having the following problem: I have two eclipse java projects A and B, A references B....Now i want to jar each of those projects and running the two jars so that a.jar uses b.jar.....I tried many commands but unfortunately it's not working...any idea?
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[13:08:11] <Dantarion> soufi, I believe this is more of a classpath issue than an eclipse one.
[13:08:36] <Dantarion> I think you have to use a command line arguement to tell java that some of the classes you need are inside b.jar
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[13:28:01] <rcjsuen> complex_: For that you probably want to look at the Nebula project.
[13:28:39] <rcjsuen> klopfdreh: Eh? Eclipse uses system settings.
[13:28:56] <rcjsuen> soufi: What isn't working?
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[13:33:39] <amitev> is there something for gui dev except eclipse VE ?
[13:34:08] <rcjsuen> amitev: I know ofJigloo and WindowBuilder
[13:34:16] <rcjsuen> and i think MyEclipse embedded Matisse?
[13:36:38] <amitev> okay thx
[13:36:39] <amitev> i'
[13:36:43] <amitev> i'll take a look
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[14:26:54] <johbar> Can a "org.eclipse.core.resources.prefs pathvariable" be a relative path?
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[14:27:14] <dajudge> hi all
[14:27:34] <johbar> hi
[14:27:44] <rcjsuen> hi
[14:27:56] <rcjsuen> johbar: z4z4 might know something about that one.
[14:27:58] <dajudge> how would I check from inside a plugin wether a certain file is to be compiled be the java compiler (JDT) or not?
[14:28:17] <rcjsuen> dajudge: That depends whether it's on the build path of a project or not.
[14:28:28] <rcjsuen> You'd have to check the classpath of an IJavaProject.
[14:28:38] <dajudge> ah right
[14:28:52] <dajudge> so all java projects implement IJavaProject?
[14:29:09] <rcjsuen> Well, if it has the jdt nature.
[14:29:23] <dajudge> which is for most intents and purposes the same :)
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[14:30:00] <rcjsuen> And no, IJavaProject doesn't extend IProject.
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[14:30:55] <z4z4> johbar : I've never used it this way, let me check
[14:31:09] <dajudge> I'm implementing a builder that is supposed to build a java project to a parallel directory with a different compiler (result is later used in the GUI) - and I'd like it to leverage as much information from the JDT about a java project as possible
[14:31:31] <dajudge> so basically i'd make my nature dependent on the JDT nature - which really makes sense as well
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[14:32:08] <dajudge> and once i have that dependency i should have no problem getting a IJavaProject into my hands
[14:32:13] <dajudge> sounds *nice* - thanks!
[14:32:24] <johbar> z4z4: it doesn't :(
[14:32:44] <dajudge> ah right - what would be the best place to put the 2nd compilers output?
[14:32:45] <z4z4> johbar: confirm, you have to use an absolute path
[14:33:23] <dajudge> IIRC the WTP stuff uses some place in the .metadata directory?
[14:33:36] <dajudge> would that be a way to go?
[14:33:46] <johbar> z4z4: Is there a any way to link a ressource by a relative path?
[14:34:00] <rcjsuen> dajudge: I don't think I would.
[14:34:23] <dajudge> currently i have a hidden subdir in a project once my nature is configured for it
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[14:34:45] <dajudge> but i'm unsure if this might cause problems with revision control plugins
[14:35:08] <Aleph_One> What's up with the update manager in Eclipse, it takes several minutes for it to search for updates, before i can get to the actual plugin i want to update. Is this just for me or what? I have to select about 10 mirrors along the way so i cannot leave the update and go get a cup of coffee or whatever.
[14:35:17] <rcjsuen> dajudge: Well, that's up to the user to decide.
[14:35:24] <rcjsuen> dajudge: Some people commit the 'bin' directory unknowingly, that's their problem.
[14:35:30] <dajudge> rcjsuen: true :)
[14:35:53] <z4z4> johbar : again, haven't heard, but there might be an enhc. request for that
[14:35:56] <rcjsuen> dajudge: I honestly do like writing error checking code to give users meaningful messages..............but we can only go so far ;p
[14:36:44] <dajudge> rcjsuen: fortunately my current project doesn't involve too much user interaction - so I mostly get around that kind of code :)
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[14:37:10] <johbar> because it shouldn't be that hard to handle relative paths
[14:37:38] <dajudge> rcjsuen: pretty much all user interaction is limited to "Toggle my nature" and a "2nd compiler output" view
[14:38:03] <rcjsuen> toggle nature, that awful context menu item
[14:38:18] <dajudge> rcjsuen: i promise I'll name it differently
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[14:38:32] <rcjsuen> but it can't be helped, that's how everyone does it ;p
[14:38:48] <dajudge> something like - "Enable code visualization processing" or _something_
[14:41:04] <dajudge> ah I just love the RCP... sadly enough my next project will be .net - couldn't someone just do a RCP.net or something?
[14:41:09] <rcjsuen> dajudge: There's an interesting bug about dealing with those "toggle this" menu items.
[14:41:19] <dajudge> rcjsuen: there is?
[14:41:26] <rcjsuen> since everyone contributes the same one to turn stuff on/off, it's a UI nightmare
[14:41:49] <rcjsuen> dajudge: well, if someone made an OSGi .NET
[14:42:06] <rcjsuen> but i guess that's a different story, i don't know how much rcp really _depends_ on the fact that it's on an OSGi backend
[14:42:31] <z4z4> johbar : see ~86607
[14:42:33] <KOS-MOS> Bug 86607 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=86607 - Platform / Resources / 3.0.1 - PC / Windows XP - RESOLVED / WONTFIX / enhancement / - Assignee:platform-resources-inbox at eclipse dot org - [Linked Resources] relative paths without variables
[14:42:34] <rcjsuen> it's an old bug
[14:42:43] <dajudge> rcjsuen: for most things natures represent it in fact _is_ a turn on/off decision...
[14:43:11] <z4z4> it's a wontfix :/
[14:43:12] <rcjsuen> dajudge: it is, but when everyone puts it in the same place, the context menu is huge
[14:43:16] <rcjsuen> at least a set, uh
[14:43:22] <dajudge> rcjsuen: true
[14:43:24] <rcjsuen> dajudge: like "Toggle Project Capabilities >" submenu
[14:43:44] <dajudge> rcjsuen: wouldn't be too bad an idea really, would it?
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[14:44:00] <rcjsuen> dajudge: Not really.
[14:44:34] <dajudge> rcjsuen: but for that it's too late already - everyone simply contributes to the context menu
[14:44:56] <rcjsuen> ~102527
[14:44:59] <KOS-MOS> Bug 102527 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=102527 - Platform / UI / 3.1 - All / All - ASSIGNED / enhancement / - Assignee:Tod_Creasey at ca dot ibm.com - [Wizards] Add support for projects refactoring (ie add/remove nature)
[14:45:33] <rcjsuen> that ridiculous attachment
[14:45:47] <rcjsuen> oh wait, no *scrolls down*
[14:46:19] <rcjsuen> dajudge: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/attachment.cgi?id=57088
[14:46:54] <rcjsuen> Although I guess in this case they're not all "Toggle this" items.
[14:47:28] <dajudge> rcjsuen: *nice* screenshot - that menu would actually bust my screen size
[14:47:48] <dajudge> almost...
[14:48:06] <johbar> z4z4: i see the ignorance solved that...
[14:50:04] <johbar> (The Eclipse workspace isn't the root because we have sereval IDEs (Visual Studio, Eclipse, cmake,...)
[14:51:27] <johbar> A workaround would be having variables like ECLIPSE_WORKSPACE
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[14:53:57] <z4z4> johbar : I belive there is one called ECLIPSE_HOME, but that's not what you need
[14:55:16] <z4z4> if you have strong feelings about it, why don't you comment on the bug and present your arguments
[14:55:28] <z4z4> it's always worth to try
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[14:56:59] <goki_work> I seem to have a bit of a bug here - when I refactor by moving a set of classes into another package all at once, I end up with 75 errors after the refactoring
[14:57:07] <goki_work> seems to be to do with not updating "import" lines
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[14:57:54] <goki_work> it still happens even when moving a single class
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[14:58:29] <rcjsuen> goki_work: I always use alt+shift+V to move them, it seems to work well.
[14:58:56] <goki_work> what does alt-shift-v do?
[14:59:49] <rcjsuen> goki_work: Why don't you try it with a class selected in the Package Explorer and find out? ;)
[15:00:18] <evermind> Hi, I need to know which event determines the moment when a Control (eg a Button) is ready to show its correct location via getLocation()? Thx
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[15:03:46] <klopfdreh> rcjsuen, yes but do I have any influences to this?
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[15:04:25] <klopfdreh> can I define a font instead of using system settings in eclipse 3.2
[15:05:28] <rcjsuen> ~218680
[15:05:30] <KOS-MOS> Bug 218680 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=218680 - Platform / UI / 3.3.1 - PC / Windows Vista - RESOLVED / DUPLICATE / normal / - Assignee:kim_horne at ca dot ibm.com - [Themes] Eclipse font size depends on Windows font size
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[15:06:45] <klopfdreh> k thanks rcjsuen :)
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[15:11:41] <goki_work> rcjsuen: I like to know what a button does before I press it
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[15:12:29] <rcjsuen> goki_work: Well, did you click it yet?
[15:12:37] <Technoid_India> Hi every one !!!
[15:12:46] <rcjsuen> Technoid_India: Hi
[15:12:53] <rcjsuen> goki_work: Or are you still worried
[15:13:25] <Technoid_India> recntly downloaded eclipse-cpp-europa-fall2-win32
[15:13:42] <Technoid_India> i was lookin for eclipse installer
[15:14:02] <Technoid_India> but this file came as eclipse-cpp-europa-fall2-win32.zip
[15:14:05] <rcjsuen> There is no installer.
[15:14:12] <rcjsuen> Just unzip and open eclipse.exe.
[15:14:30] <Technoid_India> rcjsuen: y soo..
[15:14:51] <rcjsuen> ?
[15:14:57] <rcjsuen> Technoid_India: Why isn't there an installer?
[15:15:05] <Technoid_India> rcjsuen: yes !!!
[15:15:15] <Technoid_India> rcjsuen: ther should be !!
[15:15:29] <rcjsuen> Technoid_India: Why is that?
[15:15:47] <rcjsuen> It's pretty straightforward, I mean, it's almost like an installer, without the installing.
[15:15:58] <rcjsuen> double-click install.exe, or unzip and double-click eclipse.exe
[15:15:59] <Technoid_India> rcjsuen: it would be easy to install then....i mean u dont have to unzip n copy it somewher...
[15:16:00] <rcjsuen> kind of the same thing
[15:16:21] <rcjsuen> installer requires more mouse clicks than finding your own folder
[15:18:50] <rcjsuen> I mean, surely it can't be that hard to copy/paste.
[15:19:01] <rcjsuen> If you want an installer you could try EasyEclipse I s'pose.
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[15:19:29] <rcjsuen> They're kinda doing something or another for p2, see ~215915
[15:19:30] <KOS-MOS> Bug 215915 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=215915 - Equinox / Incubator / 3.4 - PC / Windows XP - RESOLVED / FIXED / normal / - Assignee:john_arthorne at ca dot ibm.com - [prov] Create a simple installer for the SDK
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[15:22:29] <cykl> how can I clear the wst cache (XML Schemas) ?
[15:23:23] <Technoid_India> is ther a php editor series frm eclipse ???
[15:23:41] <Technoid_India> sorry,  is ther a php editor frm eclipse ???
[15:27:58] <a00001> Technoid_India: http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/
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[15:49:41] <mani> hope understood faq right, i can ask here about Eclipse for C/C++ too, because it is no C/C++ question, it is a eclipse question, wanted to ask if there is a live debug like in java, with warnings if you forgot a ";" and that
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[16:35:50] <bigup> hi all, i tried to find a way to manage complex preferences, but the IPreferenceStore is with his key=value format is too simple, is there a way to write XML instead of using the java.util.Properties system ?
[16:36:55] <bigup> like connecting DialogSettings or Imemento with the preference system
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[16:57:37] <juacom99> hi can anyone plese help me with a socket problem
[16:57:46] <juacom99> i need to read packajes like this: packet len WORD
[16:57:47] <juacom99> cmd id BYTE
[16:57:47] <juacom99> packet payload variable len
[16:58:25] <juacom99> sorry
[16:58:25] <juacom99> *packet len WORD,cmd id BYTE,packet payload variable len
[16:58:43] <juacom99> usualy the payload is a UTF-8 string
[17:00:41] <juacom99> brb
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[17:32:58] <francis4> mani: I would expect the CDT has all of those things; I would just give it a try, I'm sure it's easy to install and use.  Search for "eclipse cdt"
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[17:58:13] <Chepra> Hello
[17:58:19] <Chepra> I have a problem with eclipse
[17:58:52] <Chepra> Is it possible to save the project data (.project) in a different folder than the real project files?
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[18:12:58] <nitind> Chepra: No.  There is a bug opened for that somewhere, though.
[18:13:05] <Chepra> mhm
[18:13:13] <Chepra> Well, thats not good ;)
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[18:18:54] <zx|work> why are you going against the grain :)?
[18:18:58] <nitind> One man's "not good" is another man's "meh."
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[18:19:22] <Chepra> Well
[18:19:38] <Chepra> the project root folder is shared between some persons
[18:19:52] <Chepra> so noone wants to have the other ones .project/.settings
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[18:20:08] <nitind> That's when you set those values at the workspace level, then.
[18:21:04] <Chepra> Uh? When i create a new project and set the root dir to the app dir, the files are automatically created in the appdir, am i right?
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[18:23:20] <Chepra> nitind: I aint able to follow you, sorry.
[18:25:13] <Chepra> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=78438
[18:25:25] <Chepra> i think this is the one we are talking about
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[18:27:10] <nitind> Oh, *those*.
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[18:37:09] <Chepra> mhm
[18:37:12] <Chepra> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=181225
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[18:37:20] <Chepra> the advice in comment #1 does not work for me
[18:37:25] <Chepra> coz it is now java
[18:37:34] <Chepra> Thanks for your h elp
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[19:11:35] <aca20031> k, why the fuck is eclipse downloading without permission to be downloading anything.
[19:11:50] <aca20031> Im on dialup, I cant take it downloading 1 meg/minute
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[19:21:36] <nitind> aca20031: Calm down, any number of plug-ins could be doing that.  Any idea which hosts/URLs it's going to?
[19:22:10] <aca20031> it just annoyed the crap out of me because it crashed a server
[19:22:18] <aca20031> it seems to have stoped, though -.- sorry.
[19:22:43] <lnxnt> I have problems updating my plugins
[19:23:10] <lnxnt> I get network errors and the like and I am frustrated about my plugins not being the updated versions
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[19:50:36] <Zerone> ello :)
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[20:01:48] <Hattori> anybody use jbuilder 2007?
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[20:03:38] <Zerone> oh didn´t knew that jbuilder still exists :D
[20:04:00] <robinr> the name does
[20:04:12] <Zerone> :P
[20:04:15] <robinr> and my old jbuilder6 copy
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[20:06:25] <robinr> precious!
[20:06:31] <Hattori> i get org.eclipse.wst.project.facet.ProductManager.shouldUseSingleRootStructure()Z when i try to start new dynamic web project wizard..
[20:06:38] <Hattori> anybody know how to fix?
[20:06:53] <Zerone> ello rcjsuen_ :)
[20:07:03] <mictian> hi all
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[20:51:12] <lnxnt> I have problems updating my plugins
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[20:53:23] <dominikg> lnxnt, please be more specific
[20:54:33] <Zerone> hi dominikg :)
[20:54:37] <lnxnt> dominikg: I get network errors after I click updating all plugins but I have no firewall and no network problems
[20:55:00] <lnxnt> dominikg: I search a lot of mirrors and it takes a lot of time but never end without erros
[20:55:28] <dominikg> ~tell lnxnt about logs
[20:55:29] <KOS-MOS> lnxnt: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
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[20:56:08] <dominikg> check the logfiles. also try to check the network conditions to the slow mirrors, the problem may be on their end, not yours
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[20:56:28] <dominikg> hey Zerone
[20:57:56] <dominikg> lnxnt, you say it never ends without errors. Can you pastebin an example?
[20:58:26] <zx|work> you can disable automatically selecting mirrors
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[21:01:40] <mictian> hi , someone can talk to me about the hierarchie in the outline for the devel of plugin for éclipse ?
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[21:09:17] <lnxnt> dominikg: http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/43890/2003859841876805179_rs.jpg  http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/43209/2006382414490444418_rs.jpg
[21:11:01] <lnxnt> dominikg: http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/43147/2005800877240578511_rs.jpg
[21:11:15] <lnxnt> dominikg: this happens when I click the dialog on the upper right
[21:14:53] <lnxnt> dominikg: I wonder why all the updates fail because of one 403 response ?
[21:15:20] <dominikg> posting /workspace/.metadata/.log would have been easier, but from what i see on the screenshots, it looks like a misconfigured mirror (http://download.eclipse.org/modeling/gmf/update-site/milestone/digest.zip gives me a 404)
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[21:16:26] <dominikg> try disabling automatic mirror selection and using the official mirrors / update-sites one by one
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[21:18:42] <Hattori> what are official mirrors?
[21:18:49] <Hattori> which i mean..
[21:19:31] <dominikg> well, for eclipse projects the eclipse.org update sites... for other projects you'd need to check their homepages
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[21:20:16] <Hattori> doh
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[21:51:37] <Zack1403> hey can anyone recommend a good tomcat plugin for eclipse?
[21:52:15] <dominikg> Zack1403: have a look at the webtools project: www.eclipse.org/wtp
[21:52:52] <dominikg> ~searchplugins sysdeo tomcat
[21:52:53] <KOS-MOS> Try searching for plug-ins: http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/modules.php?name=search&action=search&q=sysdeo+tomcat - http://www.eclipse-plugins.info/eclipse/search.jsp?query=sysdeo+tomcat
[21:53:49] <dominikg> another plugin is the sysdeo tomcat launcher. Its not as feature rich as wtp, but i liked its simplicity (used it a while at work, but now we've migrated to wtp)
[21:56:29] <Zack1403> hmm excellent guys thank you
[21:56:38] <Zack1403> ill check em out
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[22:08:17] <dajudge> hey again :)
[22:09:35] <dajudge> what would be the best way to preserve compilation results on files when eclipse is closed? my options are: force a complete build on startup or persist last time's compilation result somewhere...
[22:09:53] <NetEffect> hi what do i press when i wanna see the java docs on a class?
[22:10:11] <dajudge> neteffect: tried the javadoc view?
[22:10:28] <NetEffect> i forgot what key i press and it brings up java in my browser
[22:10:35] <dominikg> NetEffect: ctrl-shift-L tells you all available key-bindings
[22:10:42] <NetEffect> k
[22:11:05] <dominikg> dajudge, i didn't know, eclipse deletes generated class files from bin directories on close...
[22:11:17] <dominikg> *removes last comma*
[22:12:03] <dajudge> dominikg: so you're saying JDT does a complete rebuild on startup?
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[22:13:16] <dominikg> i don't think so, i believe it just leaves the .class files there on close... i may be wrong tho
[22:13:30] <dominikg> *checks*
[22:15:26] <dajudge> dominikg: basically the big question is - where does JDT get the compilation results from when eclipse starts up? modifications are no problem for builders since they get notified when something happens - but on startup you either have your info persisted or you do a rebuild...
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[22:21:23] <dominikg> dajudge, i just tested it with a little example project. .class files stay in the bin directory and eclipse does not do a build on startup. i also edited the .java file outside of eclipse while eclipse was not running and eclispe did not recompile on startup.. when i reopened the .java file in eclipse, it complained that its 'out of sync'.
[22:22:22] <ki> I AM THE LORD JESUS
[22:22:25] <ki> PRAISE ME
[22:22:25] <dominikg> not sure if eclipse needs more information than whats available in the .class and .java files to restore a project on startup, but i don't think so
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[22:22:30] <ki> PRAISSSSSE MEEEEEEEE!¬
[22:24:59] <dajudge> dominikg: it's not about eclipse - i am implementing my own builder - and I want to know where to get error messages from on startup without rebuilding the entire project. my problem is entirely unrelated to JDT behavior
[22:25:25] <dominikg> *doh*
[22:25:43] <ki> HEY GUYS
[22:25:46] <ki> IS THERE A <3 GOD CHANEL?
[22:27:07] <nitind> dajudge: You mean what's shown in the Problems view?
[22:27:20] <dajudge> nitind: something like that, yes
[22:27:55] <dajudge> nitind: i don't display my outputs there since it's more of a background thing, but i have a view for debugging purposes
[22:28:50] <nitind> dajudge: The Problems view is showing you problem markers on the file, and those markers are persisted.
[22:29:20] <dajudge> so i might actually use markers myself
[22:30:45] <dajudge> got to read some stuff on markers i guess
[22:31:53] <nitind> dajudge: Yep, the doc for the org.eclipse.core.resources.markers extension point and org.eclipse.core.resources.IResource.createMarker(String) method and org.eclipse.core.resources.IMarker interface.
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[22:34:11] <ki> ju
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[22:37:30] <dajudge> nitind: looks exactly like what i need... a new marker type and a view displaying them. *nice*
[22:37:47] <dajudge> nitind: thanks!
[22:37:48] <nitind> dajudge: Your own view?
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[22:38:28] <dajudge> nitind: something like the problems view already in eclipse
[22:39:23] <dajudge> nitind: but i don't want my items to show up there - that would introduce a LOT of redundancy since what I am doing is running a 2nd java compiler over a project - so for every problem there would be 2 entries. not desirable.
[22:40:15] <nitind> dajudge: There are filtering abilities in the Problems view, but whatever you think is best.
[22:40:20] <ki> KI IS IN DA HOUSE
[22:40:55] <dajudge> nitind: it's really more a debugging thing - not something a user would want so see all the time once it's working
[22:41:27] <nitind> dajudge: Then what's the output of the second compiler used for, after it's working I mean?
[22:41:43] <nitind> dajudge: Additional stylistic checks?
[22:41:58] <dajudge> nitind: dependency graphs
[22:42:41] <ki> BYEBYE BYE
[22:42:43] <ki> xx
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[22:44:03] <dajudge> nitind: basically it's a modified sun JDK 1.5 compiler
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[22:50:47] <nitind> dominikg: Incidentally, the WTP JSP editor doesn't care if you use WTP's Server Tools or Sysdeo, as long as the WEB-INF folder is there.
[22:52:27] <dominikg> nitind, thanks for the info, gonna try it tomorrow.
[22:53:11] <nitind> dominikg: Um, and as long as the servlet jar(s) are on the build path.  Don't forget those.
[22:53:49] <dominikg> jeah, we got those around for ant anyways.
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[23:52:44] <GarulfoUnix> Hello
[23:53:35] <GarulfoUnix> someone know how to add a .java external file into a project with Eclipse ?
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[23:57:28] <nitind> GarulfoUnix: Import it from your File System using the wizard.
[23:57:47] <GarulfoUnix> ok thanks.

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