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[00:08:21] <r2d4> I have a project skeleton that I frequently use. Is there a simple way to register this into my ide? (I copy paste it now, which isn't all that bad)
[00:08:53] <rcjsuen> r2d4: Nope, you need to write a plug-in.
[00:10:06] <The_8472> wouldn't the import project wizard do it?
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[00:11:27] <r2d4> rcjsuen, Thanks. How complicated is this? Is it worth while for a simple need as mine?
[00:11:37] <rcjsuen> The_8472: That'd kind of do it, I suppose.
[00:11:41] <rcjsuen> The_8472: Isn't that the same as copy/paste
[00:11:46] <rcjsuen> File > New > Project, pointing at the name
[00:12:11] <The_8472> rcjsuen, probably
[00:14:16] <r2d4> BTW, What is the best free WYSIWYG dialog designer now? Visual Editor project has not been updated for a while.
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[00:17:00] <nitind> That's not really a "btw" kind of question.  You should probably Google and try out as many as you can.
[00:17:26] <nitind> The_8472: You might want to make an Example project wizard, actually.
[00:18:14] <The_8472> not me, r2d4
[00:18:15] <rcjsuen> r2d4: it dpeends how complicated your structure is i s'pose
[00:18:20] <r2d4> nitind, I already did. I am back to Callisto after finding none.
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[00:20:48] <nitind> r2d4: Maybe you could pitch in with the effort to get VE running on 3.3 and 3.4.
[00:20:49] <r2d4> rcjsuen, Thanks. I will look into it. Never made a plugin before. Seemed to involve a fair bit of reading than intuitive hacking.
[00:21:15] <rcjsuen> intuitive hacking, i like your choice of words
[00:21:34] <r2d4> rcjsuen, why thank you :-)
[00:21:54] <r2d4> rcjsuen, I am not strictly a programmer.
[00:21:55] <The_8472> hehe, i like that too ^^
[00:21:59] <The_8472> that's how i learned java
[00:22:12] <The_8472> reading and then adapting other people's code
[00:22:23] <r2d4> So I use less professional approaches, I guess.
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[02:05:20] <deebus> I'd like to run eclipse and write and test servlets locally.  does eclipse have its own servlet container, or do I need to set up instances of apache and tomcat, etc
[02:05:21] <deebus> ?
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[02:10:10] <deebus> can anyone tell me how to set up eclipse so I can write servlets?
[02:10:32] <deebus> I don't necessarily need a full-fledged tomcat server to publish them, I just want to test and debug them locally
[02:10:41] <nitind> While there is a "preview" server included in WTP 2.0 (most easily found in the Europa Java EE download), the best thing you can do is set up a local copy of the server software you intend to use.
[02:11:13] <nitind> Rather, WTP can control it for you, you just need to unzip Tomcat somewhere and tell it where you did that.
[02:11:22] <deebus> hm
[02:11:53] <deebus> is tomcat included in europa?
[02:12:23] <nitind> No.  http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/jee.php
[02:13:28] <deebus> hm.  I see.  I have some learning to do.  thanks, nitind
[02:13:46] <deebus> I may be back later.  most likely when I completely hose my box trying to get this to work :-P
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[02:18:54] <eidolon> hey anyone able to use the 'tomcat project' in easyeclipse?  (not sure if it's part of elcipse at all).  the dialogs dead end :(
[02:19:25] <blahdeblah1> Eclipse has died for me 6 times in the past 2 hours with a VM crash.  How can i work out what the problem is?  VM crash log here: http://rafb.net/p/E9QRNA69.html
[02:19:26] <rcjsuen> Dead end?
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[02:19:46] <eidolon> dialogs go for 2-3 dialog boxes, then i get one that ican't hit <next> or <finish> on
[02:19:49] <eidolon> i'll screenshot.
[02:19:57] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah1: Eclipse from the repositories?
[02:20:14] <blahdeblah1> rcjsuen: From Ubuntu
[02:20:17] <MugginsM> blah: ooh, I'm getting that too today
[02:20:21] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah1: File a bug to Ubuntu.
[02:20:26] <MugginsM> on Ubuntu, since I upgraded Aptana and pydev
[02:20:33] <blahdeblah1> rcjsuen: Gee, thanks.  ;-)
[02:20:38] <rcjsuen> Although to be honest, this log doesn't tell me much.
[02:20:38] <MugginsM> 'cept I'm on 3.3.1 from the eclipse repositories
[02:20:48] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah1: I'd try Eclipse from eclipse.org.
[02:21:11] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: Same VM crash logs?
[02:21:25] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah1: The fact of the matter is that we don't know how they're packaging Eclipse, so, it could be their end, or it could be Eclipse's end.
[02:21:36] <MugginsM> hang on, reproducting
[02:21:40] <eidolon> http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/screenshots/eclipse-tomcat-1.png
[02:21:47] <linxeh> blahdeblah1: my experiences with the eclipse in the ubuntu repos is that its completely trashed. utterly. go with a stock download from eclipse.org
[02:21:50] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: Do you get it without any Eclipse plug-ins?
[02:21:56] <blahdeblah1> rcjsuen: Yeah - fair enough.  It would just be nice to have something to tell them in the report.
[02:22:05] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah1: Well, the crash logs should help them.
[02:22:10] <blahdeblah1> linxeh: It's been working perfectly until today for me
[02:22:20] <linxeh> given all the custom patching that ubuntu have done in the past on Eclipse I just stay away from their packaging
[02:22:37] <linxeh> blahdeblah1: have you tried a clean workspace ?
[02:22:41] <rcjsuen> eidolon: Dunno, you could try #easyeclipse, or check EasyEclipse's bug tracking system?
[02:22:42] * MugginsM has never managed to get Ubuntu packaged eclipse working :)
[02:22:53] <eidolon> i've tried easyeclipse twice.  completely dead channel, no answers.
[02:22:56] <linxeh> MugginsM: nor me. it always dies as soon as I do anything with it
[02:23:08] <rcjsuen> eidolon: you mean today?
[02:23:09] <eidolon> and i've waited 6-8 hours for answers :)
[02:23:21] <blahdeblah1> linxeh: There doesn't seem much point trying a clean workspace when it only happens whilst editing code...
[02:23:23] <eidolon> no, this started happening 2-3 days ago
[02:23:35] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah1: You could edit a simple Java file in a clean workspace.
[02:23:39] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah1: Is what linxeh is trying to say.
[02:23:44] <linxeh> blahdeblah1: seriously, try a clean workspace. its amazing how messed up they can get. also try cleaning your .eclipse dir
[02:23:45] <rcjsuen> eidolon: I mean you were asking for help today?
[02:23:48] <eidolon> or, if you have a pointer to the best path to take to start a new tomcat-backed, struts-based project under e4clipse, i'd love to hear it.
[02:23:55] <blahdeblah1> OK
[02:24:02] <rcjsuen> eidolon: Nope, I don't do Java / web stuff.
[02:24:03] * blahdeblah1 goes off to clean his workspace
[02:24:03] <eidolon> rcjsuen: no, i asked 2 days ago, thena gain... hrm, maybe 3 days ago.  not sure.
[02:24:07] <rcjsuen> ah, i see
[02:24:12] <linxeh> blahdeblah1: no. try a FRESH one
[02:24:18] <rcjsuen> eidolon: pombreda might be able to help, but I dunno if he's online.
[02:24:25] <blahdeblah1> linxeh: that's what i meant
[02:24:27] <MugginsM> well I'm getting a SIG_SEGV crash whenever I try and do anything, but beyond that my setup looks quite different from blahdeblah1's
[02:24:28] <linxeh> :)
[02:24:38] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: do "anything"?
[02:24:44] <rcjsuen> How does one define "anything"
[02:24:50] <rcjsuen> Eclipse starts, you click your mouse, it dies?
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[02:26:28] * MugginsM experiments
[02:27:40] <MugginsM> intermittent. halfway through a Subclipse "update", while opening a large file, while running a search
[02:27:44] * MugginsM wonders vaguely if it's memory related
[02:27:51] <rcjsuen> ~tell MugginsM about logs
[02:27:51] <KOS-MOS> MugginsM: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[02:29:39] <MugginsM> 'k, all the recent ones look like they involve subclipse
[02:29:49] <rcjsuen> ooo
[02:30:03] <rcjsuen> Time for bug reports.
[02:30:15] <MugginsM> my setup is pretty horrid though
[02:30:20] <rcjsuen> Setup?
[02:30:24] <rcjsuen> You mean you use a lot of plug-ins?
[02:30:30] <MugginsM> yeah
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[02:30:41] * MugginsM is doing a clean install on a fresh ubuntu install now
[02:30:50] <MugginsM> see if I can reproduce it
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[02:31:29] <MugginsM> I've actually had no end of trouble with eclipse since I went to x86_64, but I need so many plugins to do work that it's hard to nail down
[02:31:38] <rcjsuen> Yeah, that's always a problem.
[02:31:49] <rcjsuen> Something similar recently
[02:31:53] <rcjsuen> ~218427
[02:31:54] <MugginsM> yay for VM snapshot rollbacks :)
[02:32:18] <malcom2073> When I do "Build-all" I get no errors, and it dosent build my exes, it brings up the normal "building" dialog box, then that goes away
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[02:33:28] <malcom2073> any thoughts on what might be causing this?
[02:34:19] <rcjsuen> Maybe something wrong with your project's builder setup and/or your Makefiles I guess.
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[02:35:03] <KOS-MOS> Bug 218427 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=218427
[02:35:05] <malcom2073> The odd thing, if I do "make" from the command line, it works.
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[02:35:33] <rcjsuen> malcom2073: a project setup problem then I s'pose
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[02:41:04] <malcom2073> Arg. I really wish eclipse would give me more information about what its doing
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[02:43:45] <malcom2073> What IS the CDT builder? is that what I'm specifying when I say "builder type" in C/C++ build options?
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[02:45:27] * MugginsM waits an eternity for his fresh install to find updates
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[02:46:42] <eidolon> huh.  "Dynamic Web Module" build and deploy actually worked.  i have an active tomcat project.
[02:46:45] <eidolon> whoddathunkit.
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[02:47:59] <malcom2073> Ok mingw32-make all works in the command line, but dosent work inside eclipse O_o
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[02:51:07] <malcom2073> How do I tell eclipse that when I want to compile, do commandA then commandB? Can you even do that?
[02:51:55] <rcjsuen> That depends on how customizable the builder is.
[02:52:02] <rcjsuen> You could add an 'External Tool Builder' I suppose.
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[02:52:20] <malcom2073> yeah, cause the internal one isnt working
[02:54:03] <malcom2073> Ah awesome! That works
[02:55:34] <eidolon> hr, eclipse is using an HTML editor that has an "HTML Preview" tab.
[02:55:44] <eidolon> which totally screws over ctrl-pgdn and ctrl-pgup
[02:55:49] <eidolon> can i turn off that preview?
[02:56:39] <rcjsuen> eidolon: nitind might know something if he's around.
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[02:58:28] <the_giver> anyone know of a free vim plugin for eclipse that works in OSX?
[02:58:37] <malcom2073> Doh, using my own external tool means I cant use eclipse's built in includes... whats the point then?
[02:59:17] <rcjsuen> malcom2073: The point is for the scenarios where there are no plug-ins available and you just want to run some command / shell/batch script you wrote.
[02:59:42] <malcom2073> Hrm. I guess I need to figure out why eclipse isnt running mingw32 right
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[03:01:45] * eidolon pokes nitind.
[03:04:36] <eidolon> my google fu wins!
[03:05:10] <eidolon> it's an amateras wysiwyg plugin.  windows->preferences->amateras->check 'disable preview'
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[04:32:09] <MugginsM> ok, finally.  A completely fresh (from eclipse.org) install, just installed a minimal set of plugins that I need to work, and it seg faults on subclipse still
[04:32:37] * MugginsM decides to futz around with the version of Java he's using to see if that helps
[04:33:25] <MugginsM> Write Once Segfault Anywhere
[04:33:39] <rcjsuen> You could try Subversive.
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[04:33:50] <MugginsM> I changed to subclipse because subversive was really flakey
[04:33:52] <rcjsuen> I don't know what means Subclipse is using.
[04:33:57] <MugginsM> in retrospect maybe it's related
[04:34:02] <rcjsuen> It could be using the Java Subversion bindings.
[04:34:07] <MugginsM> yeah, seems plausible
[04:34:10] <rcjsuen> So it might be worth trying the pure Java SVN implementations.
[04:34:22] <MugginsM> is that svnkit?
[04:34:22] <rcjsuen> since segfault probably means C/C++ code
[04:34:29] <rcjsuen> yes, i believe that's the pure Java one
[04:34:47] <rcjsuen> at least, one would like to hope that Java code doesn't segfault ;)
[04:35:28] <MugginsM> given the fun I've had with different JRE's in the past, I no longer am surprised :)
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[04:36:17] <MugginsM> hrm, already set to svnkit
[04:37:03] <rcjsuen> check the vm crash logs then
[04:38:24] <MugginsM> I must say, it's quite a lot faster without Aptana installed
[04:39:37] <MugginsM> oh that's odd, no longer have an option to view the error log
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[04:41:07] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: *shrugs* Never used Aptana.
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[04:41:18] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: I'm pleased to hear Eclipse isn't at fault though. ;)
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[04:41:30] <The_8472> subversive has a pure java svn implementation too afaik
[04:41:49] <The_8472> ah, you already have it, ok
[04:41:52] <MugginsM> " The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code."
[04:41:58] <MugginsM> not *overly* helpful
[04:42:05] * MugginsM digs through the log, looking for hints
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[04:42:07] <The_8472> sun java?
[04:42:58] <MugginsM> colin@athlon64:~$ java -version
[04:42:59] <MugginsM> java version "1.6.0_04"
[04:42:59] <MugginsM> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_04-b12)
[04:42:59] <MugginsM> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 10.0-b19, mixed mode)
[04:43:00] <MugginsM> yeah
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[04:43:08] <The_8472> ahh... try the client vm
[04:43:23] <The_8472> i had very odd crashes with the server vm and eclipse
[04:43:32] * MugginsM didn't know there was a difference
[04:43:41] <The_8472> massive difference ^^
[04:43:44] <MugginsM> Java confuses me, there seems to be so many different versions and acronyms
[04:44:30] <MugginsM> presumably I can get it somewhere on Sun's website?
[04:44:30] <The_8472> you have to provide -client as vm argument
[04:44:43] <The_8472> you already have it ^^
[04:44:48] <The_8472> it's just a commandline switch
[04:44:48] <MugginsM> oh, eclipse.ini?
[04:44:51] <The_8472> yeah
[04:44:59] <The_8472> add it to the vmargs
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[04:50:52] <MugginsM> doesn't seem to help, and it's still mentioning the server vm
[04:51:30] <The_8472> try:
[04:51:39] <The_8472> java -client -version
[04:51:46] <The_8472> does it say "client" then?
[04:52:37] <MugginsM> identical to without -client
[04:52:44] <MugginsM> thinking Ubuntu might have done a bad
[04:53:03] <The_8472> i mean on the commandline
[04:53:10] <MugginsM> yup, on the commandline
[04:53:10] <The_8472> not in the .ini
[04:53:21] <The_8472> hum... maybe it's due to 64bit/linux
[04:53:28] <MugginsM> yeah, could be
[04:53:33] <MugginsM> gonna see if Sun has a version I can download
[04:54:44] <The_8472> well, there are no distinct client/server downloads, both should come with the jdk
[04:55:04] <MugginsM> I love Ubuntu to bits, but they do things funny sometimes
[04:55:27] <The_8472> "funny" ... yeah... that's one way to describe it
[04:56:18] <MugginsM> I actually think there's a lot of mess left in Debian Java stuff from the old "it isn't open source so we'll replace bits" days
[04:56:29] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: Oh, definitely.
[04:56:58] <The_8472> we (azureus) had to deal with a lot of the mess they caused :/
[04:57:03] <rcjsuen> Fedora is working quite hard with its IcedTea project.
[04:58:02] <The_8472> gcj + (mismatching) distro-build of swt + "customized" version of Az == lots of "fun"
[04:58:20] <rcjsuen> Can't say I've had problems with the Gentoo Azureus thankfully.
[04:58:50] <The_8472> yeah, they only caused minor trouble and actually fixed it when we told them
[04:59:16] <The_8472> ubuntu/debian was a major pita for a year...
[04:59:23] <The_8472> the current packages are better
[04:59:31] <rcjsuen> I remember one bug
[04:59:34] <rcjsuen> related to the tray
[04:59:39] <rcjsuen> i forgot if it was gtk+ / swt
[04:59:41] <The_8472> but there are still many people out there getting stuff from the old repos
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[05:00:09] <The_8472> heh... the recent xorg-core upgrade... that was fun
[05:00:17] <rcjsuen> The_8472: we got a few in here, yes
[05:01:01] <The_8472> basically broke all wxwidgets, swt-based and some other stuff
[05:01:23] <MugginsM> grr.  "Select the Java HotSpot Client VM. A 64-bit capable jdk currently ignores this option and instead uses the Java Hotspot Server VM."
[05:01:35] <MugginsM> this is from the Sun provided version
[05:01:41] <The_8472> ^^
[05:02:04] <The_8472> well, it doesn't have to be the server VM... i mean i experienced that on 32bit windows after all
[05:02:23] <The_8472> can i see the hs_err_pid*.log?
[05:02:25] <The_8472> to see if it's the same issue
[05:03:08] <MugginsM> oh, it doesn't SEGV with the Sun JVM
[05:03:12] * MugginsM tries to push it
[05:03:30] <rcjsuen> <MugginsM> oh, it doesn't SEGV with the Sun JVM
[05:03:34] <rcjsuen> Weren't you using Sun this whole time?
[05:03:49] <The_8472> icedtea maybe?
[05:03:55] <MugginsM> rcjsuen: I was using the Ubuntu Gutsy provided Sun JVM
[05:04:01] <The_8472> hrrm, no... those are 1.7 ones
[05:04:02] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: oic
[05:08:03] <MugginsM> ok, this seems much more stable now
[05:12:14] * The_8472 chalks up another one on the "blame ubuntu" list
[05:12:23] * MugginsM nods
[05:13:44] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: file a bug?
[05:14:00] <MugginsM> trying to navigate their bug tracking now
[05:14:16] <ijuma> there's a bug in the sun db for java 6 update 4 with -server
[05:14:24] <ijuma> you guys should all vote!
[05:14:34] <ijuma> ;)
[05:14:58] <ijuma> http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6614100
[05:15:49] <MugginsM> so a Java bug then :)
[05:16:08] <rcjsuen> MugginsM: well, i meant the vm crash
[05:16:10] <ijuma> A bug in the Sun implementation yes
[05:17:59] <ijuma> i think the only reason those crashes don't happen more often is that -client is the default in 32-bit
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[07:23:44] <patrin70> Hi guys
[07:24:53] <patrin70> I'm contributing some actions to the popup menu using a menuContribution extension point with locationURI popup:org.eclipse.ui.popup.any?after=additions
[07:25:23] <patrin70> I would meke the action visible only when the currently selected object is a project with a given nature
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[07:26:26] <patrin70> I tried with visibleWhen and instanceof
[07:26:53] <patrin70> how can I filter also on the nature ?
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[07:32:10] <khin> hey how do i build just a subset of the files in a project but not all the files
[07:32:23] <khin> i tried 'build working set' but it seems to do nothing
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[08:28:01] <patrin70> Hi all
[08:28:32] <patrin70> I've acreated a menu contribution at the locationURI="popup:org.eclipse.ui.navigator.ProjectExplorer#PopupMenu?after=additions"
[08:29:04] <patrin70> I would like to have my command visible when the selected project has a specified nature
[08:29:42] <patrin70> for this purpose I tried to add a visibleWhen condition to my command
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[08:30:39] <patrin70> with the predicate: <test property="org.eclipse.core.resources.projectNature" value="myNature"/>
[08:31:10] <patrin70> but as soon as I add the visibleWhen tag, the command disappears from the popup menu
[08:31:38] <patrin70> do you have some hint?
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[09:10:33] <voodoo-chile> hi im running on ubuntu amd64 and im trying to install pdt on my eclipse 3.2.2. and i get PDT Feature (1.0.2.v20080102-79-7GE7QYGHNGPGY) requires feature "org.eclipse.wst (2.0.0)", or compatible. error
[09:10:56] <voodoo-chile> i am installing via update manager
[09:11:24] <voodoo-chile> and select required doesnt selects anythin
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[09:30:58] <OmiKrOn> hey is there anyway to ident multiple lines?
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[09:34:55] <OmiKrOn> s/ident/indent
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[09:41:38] <onats> is there a way to set eclipse to have different environment variables, which are project specific?
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[11:18:04] <erik2> so I now hav e /home/erik/workspace/test/test.php and would like to run it through the debugger, line-stepping.  How do I setup the run-dialog ?
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[11:41:17] <MacGyverNL> I'm looking for an FTP mirror of the Europa discovery site, does such a mirror exist?
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[12:24:19] <patrin70> hi
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[12:24:56] <patrin70> hi
[12:25:24] <patrin70> i would open a view as part of the execution of a command handler
[12:25:54] <patrin70> who can point me in the right direction to achieve this ?
[12:26:59] <nitind> Check the classes and interfaces for PlatformUI, IWorkbenchWindow, IWorkbenchPage, and possibly IPageLayout.
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[12:32:34] <erik2> where ditd the firefox zend toolbar go ???
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[12:45:34] <erik2> can I debug (eg. step through) an entire site, consisting of linked php scripts ?
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[13:21:10] <amarillion> Is there a keyboard shortcut to jump to the next error?
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[13:35:07] <lrk> hi, any suggestions how can i set the output of the eclipse ver:3.3.0 console to unicode utf8 ?
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[13:40:35] <paulweb515> amarillion: yes CTRL+. and CTRL+, go forward and backwards through the annotations
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[13:42:31] <amarillion> paulweb515, is there a way to jump to warnings as well?
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[13:44:26] <paulweb515> amarillion: by default it cycles through errors and warnings ... check out the dropdown menu for the matching toolbar buttons
[13:45:40] <amarillion> Oh, it doesn't seem to do anything, but I've got hundreds of warnings in my projects
[13:46:54] <amarillion> OK, I see the dropdown menu you mentioned now
[13:47:09] <amarillion> but for some reason it doesn't do anything
[13:47:33] <paulweb515> amarillion: are you in the java editor?
[13:47:42] <amarillion> Yeah, I get it know, it only works for the active editor
[13:47:52] <paulweb515> amarillion: yes, that's right
[13:47:54] <amarillion> is there a way to jump to the next error in any file?
[13:48:01] <amarillion> even if it isn't opened in an editor?
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[13:49:29] <paulweb515> amarillion: that I'm not sure on, if you select the problems view it will use that to cycle through problems in all open editors, but unless there's an option under Window>Preferences>General>Editors>Text Editors or Preferences>Java>Editor I wouldn't think so
[13:50:09] <amarillion> I see, thanks for the help
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[14:03:00] <rcjsuen> voodoo|yok: pdt 1.0 is for eclipse 3.3
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[14:04:04] <rcjsuen> lrk: in your launch configuration there's a tab for setting console encoding iirc
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[14:09:57] <Sebboh> Can I make eclipse create an ant build file for me?
[14:10:28] <Sebboh> That does all the same things it normally does when it builds my project?  'Cause I dunno what it does, but it works. :P
[14:10:49] <lrk> rcjsuen, thx i'll check it out
[14:11:37] <Sebboh> nevermind found it under export!  Nice. :)
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[14:28:00] <patrin70> hi
[14:28:46] <rcjsuen> patrin70: Hi
[14:28:50] <patrin70> is it possible to hook the navigation controls provided by the web browser support and create them on the application toolbar ?
[14:29:14] <patrin70> rcjsuen: Hi, nice to read you again...
[14:29:17] <rcjsuen> say what now
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[14:29:53] <rcjsuen> you want the web browser editor's buttons on the toolbar?
[14:29:56] <patrin70> In my RCP application I would provide limited navigation controls to the user (namely stop/refresh)
[14:30:13] <patrin70> so I would create just these two commands on the main toolbar
[14:30:20] <rcjsuen> i don't see why not
[14:30:29] <patrin70> suppressing the browser support toolbar
[14:30:30] <rcjsuen> although you might have difficulties getting the Browser widget itself
[14:30:38] <rcjsuen> you won't be able to suppress it
[14:30:41] <rcjsuen> not without mod'ing the code imo
[14:31:07] <patrin70> I know it is a strange request, but I would reduce the "risk" that user follows arbitrary navigations in the web application the browser is opened on
[14:31:43] <patrin70> so I would suppress the button, even is I know they are still available in the context menu...
[14:32:18] <rcjsuen> I think it would help if you took a screenshot depicting what exactly you're trying to do
[14:33:47] <patrin70> yes
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[14:41:23] <patrin70> rcjsuen: I have a screenshot of what I would obtain
[14:41:35] <rcjsuen> ~image
[14:41:35] <KOS-MOS> Please upload your screenshots online - http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add - http://imagebin.ca/upload.php - http://imageshack.us/
[14:41:36] <patrin70> how can I send it to you ?
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[14:42:33] <rcjsuen> dont send, upload
[14:44:52] <patrin70> ok, done (http://imagebin.org/13891)
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[14:45:19] <rcjsuen> yeah, you need to mod internal code afaik
[14:45:52] <patrin70> it is not possible to use retarget actions in this case ?
[14:46:15] <rcjsuen> even if you did the icons would still show up in the editor i think
[14:46:24] <rcjsuen> i'm not sure how you'd remove those
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[14:46:30] <rcjsuen> unless you alrdy figured that out
[14:47:47] <patrin70> I was able to suppress the whole navigation bar
[14:48:26] <patrin70> simply creating the browser instance as: IWebBrowser browser = browserSupport.createBrowser(IWorkbenchBrowserSupport.AS_EDITOR, browserId, name, tooltip);
[14:48:54] <patrin70> i.e. without | IWorkbenchBrowserSupport.NAVIGATION_BAR in the style
[14:52:03] <rcjsuen> well, if you can get the actual Browser widget then it shouldn't be impossible to do
[14:52:05] <patrin70> but now, looking at the code of the browser support provided by the workbench I realize that it doesn't define retargetable actions
[14:52:12] <rcjsuen> I'm not familiar with retarget actions so I don't know if that's possible.
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[15:17:01] <er4z0r> does anyone here have information about the state of the implementation of OSGi configuration-admin and deploymen-admin in Equinox
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[15:18:37] <dynast> I'm getting an java.lang.IllegalArgumentException, while creating a new configuration for "Run on Server". Is it a known issue (Web Tools related?) or shall I submit a bug report?
[15:19:23] <nitind> bug report.
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[15:23:27] <dynast> Run on server (Run -> Run As -> Run on server) options are provided by Web Tools or other plugin?
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[15:31:02] <lrk> Is there a way to change the Default console encoding in the launch configuration from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 ? i mean.. the eclipse console to use utf-8 by default not to change it every time on every project
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[16:25:01] <bobbytek> is there any way to get eclipse to monitor the file system for changes?
[16:26:14] <The_8472> java can't do that, so i doubt that
[16:26:33] <EchoMirage> how can i close an AWT window, which has no closing adapter?
[16:26:46] <zx|work> bobbytek: in what context? General->Workspace->Refresh Automatically may help
[16:27:09] <rcjsuen> bobbytek: the resources api uses native code to achieve that afaik
[16:27:15] <rcjsuen> EchoMirage: might want to try ##java
[16:27:34] <EchoMirage> cant join there.
[16:27:44] <rcjsuen> EchoMirage: /msg nickserv help
[16:27:47] <EchoMirage> what do they mean with "need to identify" ?
[16:27:59] <EchoMirage> ah k
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[16:38:53] <Joelito> hi all
[16:39:15] <Joelito> how can I integrate mingw32 with eclipse? I'm using ubuntu 7.10.
[16:41:17] <rcjsuen> why would you use mingw32 on linux?
[16:41:57] <Joelito> to compile win32 projects?
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[16:43:07] <rcjsuen> wouldn't you need win32 api?
[16:43:13] <rcjsuen> or are you trying to compile against wine?
[16:43:26] <Joelito> yes, actually, I have geany
[16:43:36] <Joelito> use geany to create simple win32 EXEs
[16:44:09] <Joelito> but, since I have eclipse, thought, that I can use it, because I only use eclipse for java
[16:44:39] <rcjsuen> Joelito: dunno, i don't use cdt, you could try asking ChrisRecoskie
[16:44:41] <Joelito> I still can't python with eclipse
[16:44:46] <rcjsuen> Joelito: pydev doesn't work?
[16:45:24] <Joelito> say something about "No rule" or something
[16:45:33] <rcjsuen> Joelito: did you file a bug?
[16:45:36] <ChrisRecoskie> I don't know the details of using MinGW on Linux... on Windows it just sort of works
[16:45:37] <patrin70> hi guys, do you know if it is possible to open a default editor instance as soon as a perspective is opened ?
[16:45:54] <rcjsuen> patrin70: Default editor?
[16:45:58] <rcjsuen> what would it open on?
[16:46:03] <patrin70> when creating the layout of the perspective, it is possible to add views and placeholders...
[16:46:29] <patrin70> rcjsuen: hi
[16:46:29] <rcjsuen> you want an editor open already you mean?
[16:46:59] <patrin70> yes, it is my "old" browser opened on the home page of the backend application
[16:47:20] <rcjsuen> You could use a listener, I don't know about perspective "settings".
[16:47:26] <rcjsuen> paulweb515 would know more.
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[16:48:24] <paulweb515> rcjsuen: I would know what?  are you talking to patrin70?
[16:48:42] <rcjsuen> paulweb515: I was referring to what patrin70 was talking about, yes.
[16:49:14] <volodya> Is there an easy/portable way to get a fixed font in SWT?
[16:49:15] <patrin70> paulweb515: Hi Paul
[16:49:17] <paulweb515> patrin70: in order, no ... in RCP you can use a postWindowOpened() to open an editor, but perspectives themselves have nothing to say about editors
[16:49:36] <patrin70> yes, it is an RCP app
[16:50:21] <patrin70> so you suggest I create a browser editor instance in the postWindowOpened ?
[16:50:46] <patrin70> after opening the perspective that will hold the browser
[16:51:06] <paulweb515> patrin70: what are you trying to do?  i.e. why aren't you using the WelcomePage/Intro part?
[16:52:27] <patrin70> paulweb515: in my app I need to provide an embedded web browser to let user to access a web application
[16:53:05] <patrin70> I would simply open the home page of this application as soon as user switches to the "online" perspective
[16:53:22] <patrin70> which suppress all other vieews and leave only the editor area
[16:53:36] <patrin70> filled with the embedded browser (created as editor)
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[16:59:00] <patrin70> I was able to create the browser editor in the postWindowOpened() method
[16:59:07] <paulweb515> patrin70: you can check in your postWindowOpen() to see if your perspective is the active one, you can also add an IPerspectiveListener there so that if the user opens your perspective, you can open the editor
[16:59:21] <patrin70> but I cannot specify to open the editor in the selected perpective
[16:59:41] <patrin70> a, ok... I'll try
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[16:59:58] <paulweb515> patrin70: right, the perspectives only deal in the layout and inclusion of views
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[17:00:48] <patrin70> thx a lot for the suggestions
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[17:04:44] <patrin70> paulweb515: Paul, one last thing... where is it better to register the IPerspectiveListener ?
[17:05:00] <bobbytek> thanks rcjsuen, that did the trick
[17:05:11] <paulweb515> patrin70: if you have an RCP app, you should be able to do it in the postWindowOpen()
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[17:05:58] <MrStein> Hi! Is it possible to make CDT parse and show FIXME lines under the Tasks view ? If yes, how ?
[17:06:28] <ChrisRecoskie> MrStein:  I think this is working in CDT 4.0.x, what version are you using?
[17:07:43] <MrStein> ChrisRecoskie: 3.1.x
[17:07:55] <rcjsuen> well then
[17:08:00] <ChrisRecoskie> MrStein:  the only way is to upgrade then
[17:08:18] <MrStein> ChrisRecoskie:  does it work with eclipse 3.2.x ?
[17:08:28] <rcjsuen> MrStein: No.
[17:08:34] <MrStein> but ?
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[17:08:36] <rcjsuen> MrStein: CDT 4.0.x is for 3.3.x.
[17:08:46] <MrStein> ah, 3.3 sucked last time I tired
[17:08:48] <ChrisRecoskie> MrStein:  no... we didn't have comments persisted in the AST then so there was no way to look for the TODO and FIXME tags
[17:09:22] <rcjsuen> MrStein: sucked in what way
[17:09:38] <MrStein> rcjsuen: keyboard shortcuts not working, for example
[17:10:00] <rcjsuen> MrStein: That's odd, I've never heard anyone complain about that on IRC I think. Did you file a bug?
[17:10:19] <MrStein> rcjsuen: I believe it was files shortly after 3.3 was released.
[17:10:22] <MrStein> files=filed
[17:10:29] <rcjsuen> oic
[17:10:35] <rcjsuen> Did you try the later one? Like 3.3.1.1?
[17:10:56] <rcjsuen> What OS are you on?
[17:11:05] <MrStein> don't remember, but judging from the bug text, it is not fixed.
[17:11:08] <MrStein> Win
[17:11:13] <rcjsuen> MrStein: What #?
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[17:11:37] <MrStein> does it matter ? It runs inside a JVM ;-)   (it is XPproSP2)
[17:11:46] <rcjsuen> MrStein: It does matter.
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[17:12:08] <rcjsuen> by # I meant bug id
[17:13:16] <MrStein> oh
[17:13:19] <MrStein> just a moment
[17:13:37] <MrStein> I thought you wanted the windows version number
[17:13:51] <rcjsuen> well, it's nice to know that too ;)
[17:14:00] <rcjsuen> to reduce the number of variables
[17:15:17] <patrin70> paulweb515: I guess I need to access the IPageService from the postWindowOpen()
[17:15:57] <paulweb515> patrin70: in your post window open, don't you have the IWorkbenchWindow that just opened?
[17:18:09] <patrin70> I'have a WorkbenchWindowAdvisor instance
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[17:19:26] <patrin70> I can get getDefault().getWorkbench().getActiveWorkbenchWindow()
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[17:20:26] <paulweb515> patrin70: getWindowConfigurer().getWindow()
[17:20:55] <paulweb515> patrin70: then you don't have to guess which window to apply to
[17:21:38] <patrin70> paulweb515: I'm blind, definitively! sorry for my silly question
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[17:23:55] <MrStein> Can someone with Eclipse 3.3.x check if ctrl-shift-F work in an XML editor ?
[17:24:56] <tharb|wech> hi, i have another gef question :) i would like to add a temporary figure to a diagram, just a helper thing, similar to the helper lines in the snapTo* classes and i wonder how to do that. seems like i cant add it with a simple : ((DiagramEditor) editor).getDiagramEditPart().getContentPane().add( new MyFigure( ));. And i think the snap methods are using a special layer or something like that ?
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[17:36:36] <zx|work> tharb: If I use my rusty memory of my GEF haydays the solution is to create your own layer and then add your figure to it. If it's something like a legend for your diagram, you'd have to listen to the viewport changes on your graphical viewer to make sure it follows the viewer
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[17:37:40] <tharb> ah thanks, i will give it a try :)
[17:38:22] <zx|work> tharb: you may need a layered pane, man it's been awhile since I messed with GEF ;d
[17:38:29] <zx|work> at least there's some documentation these days ;)
[17:38:50] <tharb> the use of this is, that we are creating a feature, that uniformly distributes the selected elements on the diagram pane and now we want to add a helper to stretch the distances between the objects :)
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[17:39:50] <tharb> maybe i can use the existing feedback layer, i just found it in the gef source
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[17:59:27] <MrStein> ChrisRecoskie: Hi! I installed CDT 4 and now TODO is recognized in editor , but they do not appear in the Tasks view. Any clue ?
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[18:00:48] <The_8472> maybe the wrong filter?
[18:00:50] <MrStein> I also added FIXME in the list, but fixme lines don't appear in Tasks either ...
[18:00:56] <MrStein> No filter. (the default)
[18:01:30] <The_8472> hrrm.... no idea then, never used the task stuff with cdt
[18:01:43] <MrStein> probably because it doesn't work ;-9
[18:01:46] <MrStein> ;-)
[18:01:59] <The_8472> never even tried to use it
[18:02:10] <MrStein> at least the keyboard shortcuts work now....
[18:02:22] <MrStein> .. so installing 3.3.1.1 was not a waste of time
[18:02:50] <The_8472> you could try 3.4M5 + CDT 5.0.0Msomething ^^
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[18:04:03] <MrStein> Or just wait for 5.x ;-)
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[18:04:39] <patrin70> paulweb515: Paul, I got almost all what I wanted... one last thing, when I create the browser instance it is opened in the editor area of all the perspectives; is it possible to open it only in a selected perspective ?
[18:05:20] <paulweb515> no ... https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=11001
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[18:09:51] <patrin70> nice to know, thx
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[18:10:59] <getBoa> eclipse europa crashing often on linux... any idea what can it be ?
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[18:12:03] <tharb> hm zx|work : do you have any idea why my figure is not displayed ? i use ((LayerManager) root).getLayer(LayerConstants.GUIDE_LAYER).add(new MyFigure()); and the figure.paintFigure method just sets fore/background color and draws a rectangle
[18:12:18] <tharb> tried several different layer constants
[18:13:08] <tharb> the figure is added to the layer but not displayed
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[19:00:26] <Merak> hi all
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[19:02:12] <Merak> have an error building a new project: 'Path for project must have only one segment'
[19:02:52] <rcjsuen> Merak: sounds like a bug or erroneous input
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[19:03:42] <harck> why
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[19:04:58] <rcjsuen> harck: ?
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[19:05:24] <harck> poor rcjsuen
[19:05:36] <rcjsuen> I guess I'm pretty poor, yes.
[19:05:38] <Merak> yea like that
[19:05:47] <Merak> anyone knows ?
[19:06:05] <rcjsuen> Merak: Well, providing more context would be helpful.
[19:06:10] <harck> why
[19:06:26] <rcjsuen> Merak: like, what language you're going in, what plug-in you're using, since there are a bajillion "builders" out there
[19:06:30] <harck> why
[19:06:46] <Merak> iam using CDT module (C++)
[19:06:50] <harck> why
[19:06:53] <Merak> xd
[19:06:58] <Merak> lol
[19:07:01] <harck> no
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[19:07:25] <Merak> harck: stop "crying"
[19:07:33] <harck> yes
[19:08:35] <zx|work> Merak: usually people hit that error when they try to nest projects which isn't possible in Eclipse
[19:09:08] <Merak> zx|work: mmm, is the hello world example
[19:09:24] <Merak> Iam using Cygwin on Win XP
[19:09:27] <patrin70> Hi guys
[19:09:39] <Merak> and all modules installed of that
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[19:10:19] <patrin70> I have an handler bound to a command that is available in the context menu of the project explorer
[19:10:31] <harck> poor patrin70
[19:10:51] <patrin70> is it possible to access the resource on which the command has been invoked ?
[19:11:00] <harck> no
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[19:11:57] <rcjsuen> patrin70: you could get the action selection
[19:11:59] <rcjsuen> and then try to see what it is
[19:12:02] <harck> no he can't
[19:12:05] <rcjsuen> and possibly get its IResource
[19:12:11] <harck> no it ain't
[19:12:24] <rcjsuen> patrin70: well, feel free to believe me or harck
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[19:13:10] <patrin70> should I get the selection from the ExecutionEvent parameter of the handler execute method ?
[19:13:25] <harck> no you shouldn't
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[19:14:06] <rcjsuen> patrin70: yes, that
[19:14:11] <rcjsuen> use HandlerUtil
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[19:15:28] <kaje1> anyone know if there is an SWT channel or does that discussion belong here?
[19:15:46] <rcjsuen> kaje1: ask here or on the SWT newsgroup
[19:17:39] <patrin70> very good!, I used ISelection selection = HandlerUtil.getCurrentSelection(event);
[19:17:54] <kaje1> When I set the layout of my shell, do all my widgets inside of shell inherit that layout?
[19:18:02] <patrin70> IStructuredSelection structured = (IStructuredSelection)selection;
[19:18:03] <patrin70>             Object selectedElement = structured.getFirstElement();
[19:18:05] <patrin70>             if(selectedElement instanceof IProject) {
[19:18:07] <patrin70>                 IProject project = (IProject)selectedElement;
[19:18:08] <patrin70> }
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[19:19:07] <paulweb515> kaje1: no
[19:19:17] <paulweb515> kaje1: you need to set a layout on each Composite you create
[19:19:28] <patrin70> thanks a lot for the effective suggestion
[19:19:40] <kaje1> paulweb515: ok, thank you
[19:20:14] <paulweb515> kaje1: if you don't create about that composite, you can use a FillLayout ... is there a default layout?
[19:20:31] <paulweb515> s/if you don't create /if you don't care /
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[19:50:08] <mateusz> hi
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[20:11:29] <namespace> Hi guys
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[20:13:48] <namespace> When trying to compile my new project i get: An internal error occurred during: "Launching".
[20:13:53] <namespace> it says this:
[20:14:03] <namespace> java.lang.NullPointerException	at org.eclipse.cdt.launch.internal.LocalCDILaunchDelegate.runLocalApplication(LocalCDILaunchDelegate.java:83)	at org.eclipse.cdt.launch.internal.LocalCDILaunchDelegate.launch(LocalCDILaunchDelegate.java:62)	at org.eclipse.debug.internal.core.LaunchConfiguration.launch(LaunchConfiguration.java:639)	at org.eclipse.debug.internal.core.LaunchConfiguration.launch(LaunchConfiguration.java:565)	at org.eclipse.debug.internal.ui.Debu
[20:14:03] <namespace> lugin.java:754)	at org.eclipse.debug.internal.ui.DebugUIPlugin$6.run(DebugUIPlugin.java:944)	at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:58)
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[20:14:18] <namespace> What does this mean? How can i fix this?
[20:15:05] <ChrisRecoskie> namespace:  that's a debugger error... do you have gdb installed?
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[20:24:47] <namespace> gdb is installed
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[20:25:25] <ChrisRecoskie> namespace:  is it in your $PATH as well?
[20:25:43] <vinse> does eclipse have some kind of logging enabled by default?  i have a plug in that's crashing and I'm trying to see if there's a stack trace anywhere
[20:26:55] <lazlofruvous> hey all, im not sure if this is the place to ask... i'm rtying to write an eclipse monkey script to set up some defatul workspace preferences for my co-workers, and having trouble figuring out how to get access to the preferences and set them
[20:27:31] <lazlofruvous> anyone know of a tutorial/API ref that i can use? i know of the main java api reference, but it's missing information like how i get the IEclipsePreferences for the workspace
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[20:29:32] <namespace> ChrisRecoskie: Yes it is, i can type "gdb" on the console and it gets launched just fine.
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[20:30:40] <namespace> ChrisRecoskie: i belive the problem is somewhere else, what i'm trying to do: I have an application and i want it to put into eclipse so i can debug it.
[20:30:50] <paulweb515> lazlofruvous: there are 2 articles that might help on http://www.eclipse.org/articles/
[20:31:08] <paulweb515> lazlofruvous: http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Preferences/preferences.htm and http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Field-Editors/field_editors.html
[20:31:21] <namespace> ChrisRecoskie: I have created a new project and passsted the source code into the new src directory
[20:31:58] <ChrisRecoskie> namespace:  what platform are you on?  which JVM?
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[20:33:35] <[NikO]> hello
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[20:33:51] <d03boy> people around?
[20:34:12] <d03boy> eclipse is slow as hell when it pops up with the auto suggest method thing
[20:34:20] <d03boy> literally takes 20 seconds
[20:34:39] <ijuma> d03boy: you should probably mention what language you're using
[20:34:55] <[NikO]> could someone know work eclipse console ? i want to send message to it, like send to a socket or something like that ?
[20:36:00] <d03boy> java with opengl
[20:36:05] <d03boy> with jogl more specifically
[20:36:13] <krbarnes> [NikO]: You can create consoles and add them to the console view. Take a look at IOConsole in the org.eclipse.ui.console plugin
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[20:37:07] <[NikO]> my problem is that it s an external process ( a flex app ) i want to put log into the console via xmlsocket or binary socket if it s possible
[20:38:05] <ijuma> d03boy: what jvm?
[20:38:58] <krbarnes> [NikO]: I don't know anything about flex... if there is anything like stdout they _should_ be sending it to the console already.
[20:39:09] <d03boy> 1.6.0_03
[20:40:13] <ijuma> i've never heard of 20 second waiting for the JDT with the sun jdk
[20:40:50] <d03boy> i should also mention its the j2ee version
[20:40:51] <ijuma> d03boy: is this on linux? maybe gcj is being used
[20:40:56] <d03boy> windows vista
[20:40:59] <ijuma> i see
[20:41:10] <ijuma> no idea then, maybe someone else knows
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[21:23:35] <rcjsuen> vote now, bottom-right-hand-side
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[21:29:37] <kaje1> What is the equivalent of a panel in SWT? Composite?
[21:29:55] <krbarnes> kaje1: yes
[21:30:02] <kaje1> thanks
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[21:38:41] <Symian> Hi - I've recently refactored my project to exist inside of a proper package name, isntead of the default package. That went great, but now I want to generate a jar file of the project.
[21:39:05] <Symian> I can get eclipse to generate a jar file just fine, and that goes very smoothly. But I don't want to have to force people to download eclipse just to use my project.
[21:39:18] <Symian> My question is: how can I get eclipse to generate a build.xml file which will generate a jar file?
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[21:40:08] <rcjsuen> File > Export
[21:40:41] <Symian> Which option inside of there? BEcause I see how to export build.xml, but it simply builds .class files
[21:40:44] <Symian> it doesn't make a jar file from them.
[21:40:52] <The_8472> i think the jar creator can also create an appropriate build.xml
[21:40:55] <The_8472> at least in the current versions
[21:41:10] <Symian> I downloaded eclipse just a few hours ago, actually.
[21:41:15] <Symian> I see no build.xml option.
[21:41:22] <Symian> :-\ sorry.
[21:41:53] <Symian> Is it maybe a package?
[21:42:00] <rcjsuen> Symian: File > Export > General > Ant Buildfiles
[21:42:27] <Symian> rcjsuen: right, and that generates a build.xml which does NOT make a jar file.
[21:42:35] <Symian> How would I make it generate a jar file?
[21:42:49] <rcjsuen> Symian: read the Ant manual
[21:42:54] <rcjsuen> there's a 'jar' task
[21:43:06] <dominikg> its not really hard to create your own buildfile, and after you've written it, just add it to the project and you're fine
[21:43:07] <rcjsuen> If you think it should generate a jar file, file a bug.
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[21:43:22] <Symian> Hmmmm.
[21:43:27] <Symian> Thanks guys! That is helpful indeed.
[21:43:30] <rcjsuen> I've done it before
[21:43:37] <Symian> I think I will file that bug... I might even see if I can add a patch.
[21:43:40] <rcjsuen> pretty straightforward imo
[21:43:41] <Symian> That seems like a fairly obvious feature.
[21:43:46] <rcjsuen> ant.apache.org, enjoy
[21:43:57] <Symian> Well, a feature for eclipse.
[21:44:18] * The_8472 is satisfied with the jar exporter atm
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[21:57:59] <Forexs> Hey guys...
[21:58:32] <rcjsuen> hi
[21:58:39] <zx|cafe> howdy
[21:59:01] <Forexs> I've a couple of jar dependencies on my rcp application. Whats the easiest way to add them to the actual app? (I'd rather not have to convert them to plugins and depend on them that way)
[21:59:26] <rcjsuen> You could put them all into one plug-in I guess.
[21:59:28] <rcjsuen> instead of individually
[21:59:41] <Forexs> I was thinking something like that, but still...
[22:00:04] <rcjsuen> ?
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[22:00:23] <Forexs> PDE can't automatically do something when I've added them as a library to the project?
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[22:01:07] <rcjsuen> OSGi doesn't care about your .classpath files when you add stuff to the 'Java Build Path' in your project's properties page.
[22:01:42] <Forexs> No, but the PDE could handle that for me  :)
[22:02:01] <rcjsuen> file a bug
[22:02:11] <Forexs> (or so I hoped)
[22:02:21] <rcjsuen> I think there are more quick fixes now though, to make one's life easier.
[22:02:58] <Forexs> The thing is that its added as a library set to the classpath, which is updated dynamically (maven). I was hoping it could handle it automatically.
[22:03:04] <Forexs> Do you know of any?
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[22:08:54] <zx|cafe> You can create a new plug-in project from existing jars
[22:08:59] <zx|cafe> And wrap those jars as a plug-in
[22:09:23] <zx|cafe> Adding stuff to your build path by hand is so 90's
[22:09:55] <Forexs> Thats why maven is doing it :P
[22:10:56] <zx|cafe> Well, if you're working with plug-ins you're using PDE. PDE works with plug-ins, you need to add those plug-ins as dependencies (via Import-Package or Require-Bundle) in order for your plug-in to see them and have their classpath properly constructed
[22:12:09] <njbartlett> Forexs: The easiest way is not the best way. It's really better in the long run to turn each of those JARs into a proper bundle
[22:12:54] <Forexs> Yes... I just think its rather lacking that it can't automatically import my dependencies.. turning 50+ dependencies into individual bundles.. well.. that is so 90's :P
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[22:13:28] <rcjsuen> they don't have to be individual bundles
[22:13:39] <zx|cafe> Forexs: PDE makes that pretty easy via the Plug-in Project from Existing Jars wizard
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[22:13:57] <Forexs> No, that doesn't work since they're added as a user library
[22:14:13] <zx|cafe> The problem is that back in the 90's people didn't produce their code as bundles. Actually not until mid last year people outside of Eclipse were doing it. Finally the Apache and Maven folks are starting to see the light
[22:14:38] <Forexs> That only supports physical jar files, not dependencies.
[22:14:40] <zx|cafe> Forexs: if you create a plug-in project from existing jars, you simply add that new plug-in as a dependency
[22:14:45] <zx|cafe> !?
[22:15:50] <njbartlett> This is probably the biggest barrier to OSGi adoption, you know
[22:16:02] <zx|cafe> In 3.4M5, I even dropped code so you could right click on your dependent JARs within your projects and turn those into plug-ins
[22:16:19] <zx|cafe> njbartlett: Apache's fault and the Maven guys for having their head up their ass so much
[22:16:31] <zx|cafe> Times are changing though, Maven is finally integrating with OSGi at least
[22:16:37] <njbartlett> There really needs to be a general repository of properly bundleized JARs. And not just the ones used in Eclipse, eg Orbit
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[22:16:48] <Forexs> Let me rephrase. Creating a plug-in project from existing jars doesn't support jar files added to your build-path via the 'libraries' tab.. that should make enough sense.
[22:17:08] <Forexs> Yes well, I'm using 3.3.1.1
[22:17:11] <zx|cafe> but why are you even doing that ... why step out of the context of OSGi?
[22:17:51] <Forexs> Because thats how the maven support for eclipse currently works.
[22:18:13] <njbartlett> Forexs: You must have added those JARs to the Libraries tab, right? Well, instead of doing that, use the plugins-from-jars thing
[22:18:16] <zx|cafe> ah, ok, I don't know what they do
[22:18:20] <njbartlett> Ahhh, Maven
[22:18:29] <njbartlett> I've said it before but...
[22:18:30] <zx|cafe> njbartlett: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/S-3.4M5-200802071530/eclipse-news-M5.html#PDE
[22:18:31] <njbartlett> I HATE Maven
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[22:18:39] <zx|cafe> njbartlett: See the third item? That one was for you ;p
[22:18:46] <Forexs> Look, thats how it is and it's not up to me to change it.. I just need to find the easiest way to make it work.
[22:18:54] <njbartlett> Forexs: Yeah I understand
[22:20:09] <njbartlett> zx|cafe: Hehe. Thanks! I just spent most of last week bundleizing JARs and analysing dependencies.
[22:20:25] <Forexs> njbartlett: Yeah, sucks don't it
[22:20:37] <zx|cafe> PDE makes it easy for you :)
[22:20:59] <njbartlett> zx|cafe: Just started on a new RCP project, and they've sucked in everything under the Sun
[22:21:17] <zx|cafe> njbartlett: oh cool, sounds like fun
[22:21:22] <njbartlett> zx|cafe: And of course, dumped it all into the Bundle-ClassPath of a single huge "libraries" plugin
[22:21:25] <zx|cafe> njbartlett: that's one aspect of consulting that would scare me... thinking "omg what are they doing"
[22:21:29] <zx|cafe> njbartlett: LOL
[22:22:03] <njbartlett> zx|cafe: Yeah. Just once I would like to join a project BEFORE they've fucked it up
[22:22:10] <njbartlett> ;-)
[22:22:58] <zx|cafe> ok, time to run an errand. I'll be on later.
[22:23:23] <zx|cafe> Forexs: good luck with your issue, it sucks when you deal with a mix of technologies like that
[22:23:37] <zx|cafe> njbartlett: at least they didn't have a bundle-classpath with a bunch of reference: URLs in it >:)
[22:24:00] <njbartlett> zx|cafe: Oh well they have one of those, for TIBCO.
[22:24:01] <Forexs> zx|cafe: thanks.. :)
[22:24:16] <njbartlett> zx|cafe: Resolving all the native libraries for that was "interesting"
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[22:28:08] <Forexs> Anyway, I'm gonna go get a strong drink. Thanks for the help. See you later.
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[23:13:34] <namespace> Hi everyone :)
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[23:15:48] <namespace> I try to compile a c++ project using <pthread.h> but it always tells me "undefined reference to pthread_FUNCTION". anyone know why? i read i would need to link it with the -pthread option but i don't know where i can pass linker options. Help would be appreciated!
[23:15:48] <namespace> Thanks,
[23:15:48] <namespace> Ron
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[23:20:35] <The_8472> namespace, in the project properties
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[23:44:36] <deadsouls> hey guys... can't start eclipse. here is workspace/.metadata/.log after it crashes:  http://rafb.net/p/GCrCMp39.html
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[23:44:51] <deadsouls> the problem is that i just created a new project called "dreamline". you can see in the log it's complaining about it
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[23:44:59] <kaje1> What is the best way in SWT to create a toolbar that can be docked on the left side of my window or the top of my window (under the main menu bar)?
[23:45:02] <deadsouls> i tried moving this project but that didn't work
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[23:56:54] <deadsouls> nevermind got it. had to delete .metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.core.resources/.snap
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[23:57:11] <deadsouls> and .metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.core.resources/.root/.markers.snap
[23:57:23] <wyvern`> when using junit 4, eclipse doesn't automatically import the assertBlah static methods. Is there some setting i can tweak to make it do that?
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