[00:00:02] <rchern> winrar replaced contents of original dir.
[00:00:21] <garethfn> rcjsuen: http://pastebin.com/m68722c48
[00:00:27] <nitind> rchern: Which JRE are you using?  Have you double-checked to be sure?
[00:00:44] <rcjsuen> replaced contents of original dir?
[00:00:50] <rcjsuen> rchern: you put it where you put your old Eclipse?
[00:01:15] <rcjsuen> garethfn: your code?
[00:01:19] <rchern> of course
[00:01:20] <rcjsuen> oooooooooooo, applets
[00:01:28] <garethfn> getImage(getClass().getClassLoader().getResource("tiles.gif"));
[00:01:29] <rcjsuen> Applets are pretty foreign to me.
[00:01:32] <nitind> rchern: Don't do that.  You can't update that way.
[00:01:34] <rcjsuen> rchern: That'd be your first mistake.
[00:01:44] <rcjsuen> garethfn: pastebin your Java code
[00:01:44] <garethfn> :<
[00:02:10] <rchern> yes i'm positive it is using 1.5 i can pastebin config details if you want
[00:02:10] <rcjsuen> I sure didn't learn about applets in high school
[00:02:23] <rchern> uh, why?  that's how i have always updated eclipse.
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[00:02:35] <rcjsuen> rchern: Then you're a very lucky person.
[00:02:57] <rchern> in fact, that's what we do at school as well.
[00:03:04] <ijuma> extracting new versions in place is not recommended for _any_ application
[00:03:07] <rchern> on who knows how many computers
[00:03:14] <nitind> rchern: WinRar doesn't replace anything unless a file with the same name exists already.  That's not the case going from Callisto to Europa or from 3.2 to 3.3.  Never, ever unpack a new installation over an older existing one.
[00:03:27] <rcjsuen> oh, he used the E word
[00:03:39] <rcjsuen> I think I'll make a macro
[00:04:44] <rcjsuen> ~add extract Extracting that new, sexy Eclipse download? Before you proceed, stop and make sure you are extracting it to a new and empty folder. Extracting it on top of another Eclipse installation is hazardous. "Never, ever unpack a new installation over an older existing one." -nitind
[00:04:44] <KOS-MOS> The new keyword "extract" has been stored. In the future, you can ask me about "extract" and I will respond.
[00:05:45] * rchern shrugs. it worked updating every other comp i've done when i took over the half-completed upgrade
[00:07:38] <rchern> then again, i've always been treated with respect in here before too.  first time for everything i guess :(
[00:07:38] <rchern> thanks anyway.
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[00:07:58] <nitind> Well, then I'd suggest unpacking the Europa JavaEE download to somewhere new and using -data to point it at your current workspace.
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[00:08:22] <nitind> If that works, then you can remove the old installation and proceed to add anything you're missing to the new one.
[00:08:27] <rcjsuen> nitind: gone
[00:08:35] <nitind> *sigh*
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[00:12:34] <d_a_carver> some people I guess are too sensitive.
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[00:13:37] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: well ,we know her, think she might just be having a bad day
[00:14:02] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: she did soc in 2006 when i was doing soc
[00:14:21] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: yeah, everybody has bad days.
[00:14:51] <d_a_carver> mine will start next week when I get to battle office politics.
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[00:18:00] <d_a_carver> nitind: ever see this when exporting a ware in 2.0.1 and 3.3.1.1. http://pastebin.com/m382306f7
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[00:18:07] <d_a_carver> ware = war
[00:20:26] <d_a_carver> brb
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[00:25:44] <protcront> hello everybody
[00:25:52] <rcjsuen> hi
[00:26:58] <protcront> new to jsp, servlets having problem while sending the data from form to servlets can you plz tell me that path is rite or not ? here is the code
[00:27:07] <protcront> <form action="fo/Login" method=POST name=form>
[00:27:18] <rcjsuen> stop now if you're planning to paste code in here
[00:27:25] <protcront> nope i m not
[00:27:38] <rcjsuen> good, heart attack averted
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[00:31:07] <d_a_carver> weird...after rebooting eclipse it exported fine.  odd.
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[00:39:40] <nitind> protcront: Depends on what the servlet class name is and how it is mapped in your web.xml.
[00:42:42] <nitind> d_a_carver: I don't export a lot of wars, unfortunately.  Did you have the right DTP installed?
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[00:43:28] <d_a_carver> nitind: yeah...same project worked fine after I shutdown and restarted eclipse.  was able to export it, didn't do any changes to it.
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[00:44:53] <protcront> nitind: i m using eclipse and i have package called form and servlet name is login  so how would i send an actionform from jsp to servlet
[00:46:04] <protcront> <form action="forum.Login" blah blah>  but doesnt work,  <form action="forum/Login" blah blah> doesnt work i just know that is something wrong with just only pathname
[00:48:38] <d_a_carver> nitind: I gave your snippets view some love with the XML perspective, could be handy for XSLT fragments, that aren't worthy of their own template shortcuts.
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[01:12:12] <macchiea> eclipse CDT doesn't, by any chance, have some feature which allows me to see a function call graph?
[01:12:34] <macchiea> so I can easily visualize what function calls which and easily trace through my code
[01:15:35] <macchiea> ah, apparently it does. Sweet.
[01:16:04] * macchiea efficiency increases by +10
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[01:17:49] <philk__> is it possible to style javadoc with a different css in eclipse?
[01:18:01] <philk__> I mean generated javadoc from my classes
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[02:14:57] <njbartlett> Trying to get my head around the API for programmatic adding/removing of IExtensions
[02:15:05] <njbartlett> Anybody else done this?
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[02:43:53] <secureT> http://pastebin.ca/888377
[02:44:00] <secureT> what to do with this log?
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[02:46:52] <plexq> Is there a document someplace that describes what resources you need to build eclipse from source?
[02:47:26] <plexq> it's a stack overflow
[02:47:34] <plexq> something is calling itself with no limit
[02:47:45] <plexq> looks like you have something that is referencing itself that shouldn't be
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[03:14:31] <MrKeuner> hi all, I am looking for a remote site to add photran support to eclipse.
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[03:25:01] <rcjsuen> plexq: stack overflow? while building Eclipse? what are you doing
[03:25:11] <rcjsuen> MrKeuner: i think there's a Photran plug-in at eclipse.org
[03:25:22] <plexq> somebody else had a stack overflow
[03:25:36] <plexq> I am trying to build eclipse, though I'm waiting for it to download, and I don't even know if I have the right thing
[03:25:37] <rcjsuen> plexq: what happened, did he download the source zip
[03:25:40] <rcjsuen> then run ant, then fail?
[03:25:49] <plexq> dosen't seem to be any docs on how to build eclipse
[03:26:52] <rcjsuen> plexq: so what did you dowlnoad
[03:27:13] <plexq> well - I just got eclipse-rcp-europa-fall2-win32.zip
[03:27:23] <rcjsuen> plexq: there is nothing to build
[03:27:26] <rcjsuen> plexq: that is a binary
[03:27:39] <plexq> it's supposed to be the plugin dev SDK with sources I thought
[03:27:51] <rcjsuen> plexq: yes, i believe that has sources
[03:27:54] <rcjsuen> plexq: tha tdoesn't mean you build it
[03:28:05] <rcjsuen> plexq: the sources are there for your benefit, so you can see how things are coded, read the javadoc api, etc
[03:28:14] <plexq> ok - so what do I need
[03:28:18] <plexq> I started checking shit out of CVS
[03:28:20] <plexq> but that didn't go well
[03:28:21] <rcjsuen> plexq: If the webpage *hints* at the requirement of having to BUILD Eclipse by hand
[03:28:24] <rcjsuen> then please let us know
[03:28:28] <rcjsuen> and we should file a bug
[03:28:29] <MrKeuner> rcjsuen: is that the site named "the eclipse project updates"?
[03:28:32] <rcjsuen> because that is not what that package is about
[03:28:48] <rcjsuen> MrKeuner: no, that's the Eclipse Project, which is Platform / Equinox / JDT / PDE
[03:28:52] <rcjsuen> MrKeuner: not what you are looking for
[03:29:02] <MrKeuner> "calisto discovery site"?
[03:29:04] <rcjsuen> plexq: well, why do you need to build Eclipse?
[03:29:11] <plexq> I need to fix the ant plugin
[03:29:13] <rcjsuen> MrKeuner: i don't think the photran plug-in was a part of Callisto
[03:29:14] <plexq> there is a bug
[03:29:21] <plexq> I filed a bug report
[03:29:28] <rcjsuen> plexq: alright, and you checked out the plug-in, right
[03:29:29] <plexq> but I need it fixed to import my project
[03:29:41] <plexq> yes
[03:29:48] <plexq> amongst other things
[03:29:49] <rcjsuen> alright, did yyou test your fix and all that jazzz?
[03:30:08] <rcjsuen> damn where's that article Alex wrote
[03:30:32] <plexq> to be honest, I don't really know how to go about doing that
[03:30:53] <plexq> I need to log stuff, but I don't know how to build my plugin and put it into a working eclipse
[03:31:02] <plexq> so I figured I would just build the whole of eclipse
[03:31:06] <plexq> and run it from the console
[03:31:13] <plexq> probably a stupid idea
[03:31:14] <plexq> but hey
[03:31:35] <rcjsuen> okay, you checked out the code
[03:31:38] <plexq> *nods*
[03:31:39] <rcjsuen> do you have zero errors?
[03:31:44] <plexq> only in the test modules
[03:31:49] <plexq> sorry backwards
[03:31:54] <plexq> I have zero errors except in the test modules
[03:32:05] <rcjsuen> well, that's a surprise
[03:32:15] <rcjsuen> but alright, maybe things are going well
[03:32:19] <rcjsuen> do you know how to write plug-ins?
[03:32:24] <plexq> nope
[03:32:25] <rcjsuen> Have you written plug-ins before?
[03:32:37] <plexq> is there a good resource someplace that I can read?
[03:32:44] <rcjsuen> I'm trying to find it but can't.
[03:32:45] <plexq> the fix should be easy
[03:32:46] <plexq> ah.
[03:32:48] <plexq> :)
[03:33:00] <rcjsuen> Anyone know what I'm talking about? Alex wrote that EZ article for bug day
[03:33:01] <plexq> I really need to know how to debug a plugin more than anything
[03:33:04] * rcjsuen scratches his head.
[03:33:14] <rcjsuen> plexq: well, that would be one of the parts, yes
[03:33:17] <plexq> ah-ha
[03:33:19] <rcjsuen> how to launch the second Eclipse
[03:33:22] <plexq> I suppose it would
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[03:34:00] <rcjsuen> plexq: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t99339.html
[03:34:06] <rcjsuen> I don't remember if this is detailed enough.
[03:34:19] <plexq> it's worth a look
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[03:34:40] <plexq> oh awesome
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[03:37:25] <rcjsuen> plexq: Let us know if you have problems. We'd be more than happy to get someone up to speed with contributing to Eclipse.
[03:40:38] <plexq> heh :)
[03:42:11] <MrKeuner> photran plug=in does not supply a site for eclipse to download photron plug-in. Instead they are supplying it as a zip file whic basically has two directories in it, plugin and features. Can I just put that under ~/.eclipse or something?
[03:42:57] <rcjsuen> ~tell MrKeuner about manage
[03:42:58] <KOS-MOS> MrKeuner: Manage your Eclipse environment - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ecl-manage/
[03:43:08] <plexq> god - Vista is such a hog - 2Gig of RAM and I'm getting errors about allocating heap trying to run git from cygwin
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[03:57:29] <plexq> ok - it talks about a Java development subgroup under Europa discovery site, but I don't see any such subgroup
[03:57:44] <rcjsuen> plexq: ignore, you have Java dev already
[03:57:49] <plexq> ah-ok
[03:59:33] <plexq> just a stupid question, why hasn't eclipse moved to at least subversion or better yet git, or one of the other distributed dev platforms?
[03:59:59] <rcjsuen> plexq: some projects use SVN
[04:00:10] <rcjsuen> plexq: it is up to the project to decide to tsick with CVS or use SVN
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[04:08:02] <plexq> ok - I've got some project errors
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[04:08:30] <rcjsuen> i figured
[04:08:42] <plexq> :)
[04:09:55] <rcjsuen> plexq: help > about
[04:09:56] <rcjsuen> what is your build id
[04:10:11] <plexq> M20071023-1652
[04:10:20] <plexq> I'm guessing I need a more recent build?
[04:10:35] <rcjsuen> plexq: yes
[04:10:53] <plexq> Can I do that from the Help -> Software Updates menu?
[04:10:56] <rcjsuen> no
[04:11:05] <plexq> bummer
[04:11:06] <plexq> ok
[04:11:12] <plexq> so how do I get a more recent version?
[04:11:40] <rcjsuen> Download?
[04:12:26] <rcjsuen> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[04:12:33] <rcjsuen> Get an 3.4 integration build
[04:12:46] <plexq> 3.4 Stream Nightly Build?
[04:13:53] <rcjsuen> no, integration
[04:13:55] <rcjsuen> well
[04:13:57] <rcjsuen> get nightly if you want
[04:14:00] <rcjsuen> whatever, doesn't really matter
[04:15:34] <plexq> ok - I'll be back in about a year and a day :)  My internet connection blows
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[04:52:39] <zeeeee> is there any way to reformat/rewrap comments? eclipse tends to ignore rewrapping them if i just reformat as usual
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[05:07:58] <plexq> somebody should fix the CVS paths on the website - they aren't right
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[05:08:37] <rcjsuen> plexq: file a bug
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[05:11:27] <plexq> okay - I take it back
[05:11:31] <plexq> didn't work last time I tried it
[05:11:36] <plexq> I guess I'm just going nuts
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[05:34:26] <aravi> I've got a Dynamic Web project containing a Javabean and a servlet, both in the default namespace. However I can't refer to the Javabean in the servlet code - it's as if the class does not exist.
[05:34:33] <aravi> Any idea what's up?
[05:34:38] <plexq> phew
[05:35:02] <plexq> ok - got SDK installed and working with the source code for the ant plugin, now I just have to find the code that doesn't work right ;)
[05:35:13] <rcjsuen> plexq: what is the code about
[05:35:24] <plexq> yeah - it always seemed that the Dynamic Web project had things in an odd location to me
[05:35:46] <plexq> importing an existing ant script
[05:35:55] <rcjsuen> File > Import?
[05:35:56] <plexq> expanding the path elements of a class path
[05:36:04] <rcjsuen> Expanding the path elements of a class path?
[05:36:07] <rcjsuen> What does that mean?
[05:36:20] <plexq> When it reads in the ant build.xml
[05:36:33] <rcjsuen> And?
[05:36:35] <rcjsuen> The parsing fails?
[05:36:42] <plexq> it performs interpolation on the path elements, but the interpolation makes a bad assumption
[05:36:49] <plexq> that C:\ isn't the root of a file system
[05:36:56] <plexq> so it appends it to the current directory path
[05:36:59] <plexq> which of course breaks
[05:37:01] <plexq> not only that
[05:37:08] <plexq> it keeps the " marks around the variable
[05:37:17] <plexq> although that might be my bad for setting it that way
[05:37:26] <plexq> although cd %CATALINA_HOME% works
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[05:39:31] <plexq> I filed a bug with a reproducable case
[05:42:45] <plexq> I wonder if I'm even in the right code
[05:44:15] <plexq> I wonder - it might conceivably be a bug in ant
[05:47:43] <rcjsuen> what bug #
[05:48:00] * plexq looks
[05:48:42] <plexq> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=217318
[05:50:45] <plexq> no - it's a bug in ant
[05:52:55] <plexq> or it's a pbck
[05:53:25] <plexq> yup
[05:53:30] <plexq> moron at keyboard strikes again
[06:04:15] <plexq> Just for the record - I imported the same thing in NetBeans, and well - NetBeans is a total POS, why does Sun even bother with it?
[06:05:56] <rcjsuen> plexq: Anyone can say that about any software.
[06:06:07] <plexq> true to a point
[06:06:12] <plexq> but you can't even set up basic formatting rules
[06:06:30] <plexq> you can't tell it to use tabs not spaces
[06:06:43] <rcjsuen> plexq: file enhancement requests to them then
[06:06:54] <plexq> heh - why bother if eclipse does the job already?
[06:07:47] <rcjsuen> plexq: well, I assumed since you brought it up you cared enough to hope that the feature gets implemented
[06:08:04] <plexq> true
[06:08:13] <rcjsuen> Telling the #eclipse channel what NetBeans doesn't have doesn't really do anything. Telling #netbeans what Eclipse JDT lacks doesn't really help them either.
[06:08:26] <plexq> but I'm probably the one freak who wants to format his code in that bizarre way
[06:08:45] <plexq> the spaces camp is strong these days
[06:09:01] <rcjsuen> I like tabs *shrugs*
[06:09:19] <plexq> dude I hate spaces, but there you
[06:09:22] <plexq> go
[06:09:43] <plexq> you can grep for code at an indent level with tabs
[06:10:01] <plexq> not so for spaces, because you don't know exactly how many spaces, and it's always inconsistent even in a project
[06:10:20] <rcjsuen> I don't really want to go into this conversation.
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[07:00:09] <excode> hey, has anybody had any luck getting Visual Editor to work with Europa on fedora?
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[07:42:00] <CodeWar> looks like the cdt channel is empty. Any idea how to prevent build before launch for C++ applications?
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[08:33:17] <bladezor> Does anyone know why every time I click run button it pops up with the run-as window even though I have a configuration set?
[08:33:31] <bladezor> It didn't do this before but I recently updated Eclipse
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[12:11:20] <peter__> hello. how can I switch perspectives from code? I have also tried to enable the standard perspective switch but there is a strange redraw problem on switching
[12:18:28] <njbartlett> peter__: IWorkbenchPage.setPerspective() should do it
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[13:42:22] <rcjsuen> bladezor: that isa very odd behaviour
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[14:09:43] <peper> hello
[14:09:53] <peper> when trying to run a project I get:
[14:09:53] <peper> Launch configuration ApplicationCreator references non-existing project test.
[14:09:58] <peper> any clue?
[14:12:10] <rcjsuen> peper: what kinda launch confi
[14:12:35] <peper> rcjsuen: hmm? I am new to eclipse..
[14:12:44] <peper> trying to make it work with google web toolkit
[14:12:48] <rcjsuen> peper: What kind of laun chconfiguration
[14:12:54] <peper> dunno how relevant is that thoug
[14:13:08] <peper> rcjsuen: where can I find that info? :)
[14:13:19] <rcjsuen> peper: are you in the Run Dialog?
[14:13:50] <peper> rcjsuen: give me a sec, I have decided to recreate the project file to be on the ball with things
[14:16:59] <peper> rcjsuen: ok, I have recreated the project file and imported to eclipse
[14:17:53] <peper> rcjsuen: and I am even in the run dialog now ;]
[14:18:04] <rcjsuen> peper: Well, are you still getting that error?
[14:18:17] <rcjsuen> Why are you using the ApplicationCreator launch configuration?
[14:19:07] <peper> rcjsuen: this is what google web toolkit generated for me
[14:19:32] <rcjsuen> peper: it generated the config too?
[14:20:16] <peper> rcjsuen: seems so, I have just imported the project file
[14:20:27] <rcjsuen> And you are still getting the error?
[14:23:36] <peper> rcjsuen: yeah, that ApplicationCreator thing doesn't work, but I am not sure about its purpose, but there is another application there and it seems to work after fixing the project name
[14:29:00] <peper> rcjsuen: hmm, but I don't have this second application in the debug dialog, why?
[14:29:15] <rcjsuen> peper: i don't use GWT
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[14:29:31] <rcjsuen> it probably means debug support isn't there, you did something wrong, or a bug
[14:29:43] <rikkus> hi
[14:29:54] <rcjsuen> rikkus: Hi
[14:30:23] <peper> rcjsuen: it is supposed to be there ;]
[14:30:41] <rcjsuen> then it's one of the other two :)
[14:30:49] <rikkus> I've just added a new 'Source Folder' named 'tests', then inside that a package named 'tests' (Eclipse said the default package was not recommended). I then created a class inheriting from TestCase inside that package.
[14:30:56] <rcjsuen> heck, the tutorial could be out of date or whatever
[14:31:16] <rikkus> As I'm a Java newbie, I don't know how to make it so that my test code can see my 'main' code in the src folder, default package.
[14:32:18] <rikkus> I presume this is something very simple (I'm used to .NET, sorry... I would normally add a reference to a project, but Java's terminology isn't working in my brain yet)
[14:32:37] <rcjsuen> rikkus: don't use default package
[14:33:03] <rcjsuen> as far as i know, package cannot see what's not in a package
[14:33:25] <rikkus> I see, thanks. Will move my 'main' source into a non-default package and see if that helps.
[14:33:35] <rcjsuen> It's discouraged, but if you want to use a default package (for your test classes), no one will stop you.
[14:33:40] <rcjsuen> Except your boss or teacher I guess.
[14:34:05] <rikkus> Ah-ha
[14:34:15] <rikkus> Works now, thanks.
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[15:05:24] <charlls> heyo
[15:05:29] <rcjsuen> Hi
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[15:06:27] <charlls> quick cdt question; before updating, #if 0 ... disabled blocks were grayed out, now i updated the framework and cdt, and it is gone
[15:08:54] <peper> hmm
[15:08:57] <peper> now it seems to work
[15:09:09] <peper> except breakpoints in debug doesn't seem to be caught
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[15:19:45] <peper> how do I add a breakpoint on a specific line?
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[15:24:54] <rcjsuen> peper: Ctrl+Shift+B
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[15:58:40] <peper> reinis: doesn't seem to work
[15:59:10] <peper> err
[15:59:13] <peper> rcjsuen: ^^
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[16:14:33] <jonkri> anyone here using the php extension to eclipse? i've been asking a very simple question on both the mailing-list and here but no one has answered :)
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[16:39:07] <rcjsuen> peper: right-click on the left margin and try toggle breakpoint i guess
[16:39:27] <rcjsuen> jonkri: you need to be slightly more specific since there's phpeclipse and pdt
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[16:40:10] <jonkri> rcjsuen, i just managed to solve it :) thanks though
[16:40:31] <rcjsuen> jonkri: posing the question and providing your solution would be much appreciated for those that are curious
[16:42:27] <rcjsuen> peper: computer
[16:42:28] <rcjsuen> whoops
[16:42:35] <rcjsuen> peper: http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/1/19/Line_Numbers.jpg
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[17:00:17] <jonkri> rcjsuen, of course
[17:01:15] <jonkri> i was trying to figure out if there was a way to change the url that is opened in the browser tab if you use the php extension... i had missed the configuration setting documentroot
[17:01:27] <jonkri> even though it was sort of obvious...
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[18:33:10] <dergringo> Hi.
[18:34:36] <dergringo> I'm looking for a plugin, that helps me refreshing the version numbers in all files. f.e. you have 10 files and in each of them is a text containing the current version of the application, last changed, etc. Is there a plugin that helps create and refresh such information?
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[19:14:18] <dominikg> dergringo, doesn't your sourcecontrol supportt automatic tags?
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[19:15:28] <dergringo> dominikg: well I don't use any source control for this project. But that would be a solution of course
[19:17:16] <dominikg> i strongly recommend you to do so. i use it for everything but the most simple test projects.. with the deep integration into eclipse it doesn't get in the way at all
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[19:18:02] <dergringo> dominikg: Thank you. btw. what source control do you recommend? SVN, BZR?
[19:18:57] <dominikg> depends on your needs... i'd recommend svn over bzr because of the better eclipse integration.
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[19:24:02] <tharbas> hi, i have a question about adding a new tab to the properties view :) i managed to add a new tab to the list, but when the createControls method is called and i add some stuff, the properties tab is empty
[19:24:48] <tharbas> i think i forgot something but i dont know what and where
[19:25:05] <rcjsuen> are you sure it's getting called?
[19:25:28] <volodya> hmm, can somebody explain why IExtension can contain *several* IConfigurationElement ?
[19:25:29] <rcjsuen> tharbas: Are you subclassing a class and/or implementing any interfaces?
[19:25:30] <tharbas> yea, added a syso and the text is printed
[19:25:44] <tharbas> i created a class that extends AbstractPropertySection
[19:26:17] <rcjsuen> tharbas: Did you set a layout?
[19:27:09] <tharbas> i used a FormData and set this as the layoutData for the contained objects, a LabelText and a CLabel
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[19:29:17] <tharbas> here is the code i use : http://rafb.net/p/rvHgtp85.html most of it is from a sample i found somwhere ;)
[19:38:05] <rcjsuen> tharbas: does the sample work?
[19:38:43] <tharbas> i havent tried it because the download doesnt work
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[20:10:20] <rchern> anyone else have problems with memory usage?  eclipse is using 200MB, more than even firefox!
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[20:11:24] <rcjsuen> rchern: kinda jumps up and down, i've never really looked
[20:12:14] <rchern> firefox and its memory leaks will usually peak at 175 before i have to kill it.  this is making eclipse largely unusable for me heh
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[20:12:40] <rcjsuen> i think it could be Mylyn, since you sid you got the jee download yesterday
[20:16:04] <rcjsuen> tharbas: if you just put a label does it work?
[20:16:11] <rcjsuen> tharbas: if you don't use a form composite, does it work?
[20:17:03] <d_a_carver> rchern: it's not unusual for my eclipse environment to get to 800meg of memory usage depending on what I'm doing.
[20:19:33] <tharbas> rcjsuen : no, i tried to add one label to the parent composite but it is not displayed and if i try to add the FormData as LayoutData i receive an exception (FromData not castable to GridData)
[20:20:10] <rchern> i disabled mylyn, just opening eclipse and its at 170mb
[20:20:12] <rcjsuen> tharbas: did you still create createFlatFormComposite though?
[20:20:44] <tharbas> no i have removed the create.... call
[20:21:00] <rcjsuen> tharbas: i mean, use createComposite
[20:21:05] <rcjsuen> instead of createFlatFormComposite
[20:21:11] <rchern> this is going to be shortlived if eclipse freezes everytime i try to do something in it ha
[20:21:44] <rchern> especially since i can't have eclipse and firefox open
[20:22:31] <tharbas> ah ok :) now i have Composite comp = getWidgetFactory().createComposite(parent); but this does not work either
[20:22:44] <rcjsuen> tharbas: did you set a GridLayout on 'comp'?
[20:23:25] <tharbas> no i dont set a layout on comp, just on the objects i add
[20:23:54] <rcjsuen> tharbas: you need to call setLayout on the 'comp'
[20:23:59] <rcjsuen> and in that Composite's children
[20:24:04] <rcjsuen> use setLayoutData, with GridData instances
[20:24:22] <tharbas> ok i will try :)
[20:25:40] <tharbas> ah maybe i should mention that i use a gmf generated editor, which already has a tab layout in the properties view and i try to add an entry
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[20:29:40] <d_a_carver> rchern: how much memory does your system have, what os?
[20:30:19] <d_a_carver> rchern: what cpu (single core, dual core, etc)
[20:31:49] <rchern> it's a not quite old xp laptop with 1gb
[20:32:14] <d_a_carver> rchern: and I take it you are running with a sun jvm, right?
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[20:32:33] <rchern> awesome, i must have disabled the wrong thing since i have no intellisense now
[20:32:55] <rcjsuen> oho, no code completion
[20:33:02] <rcjsuen> it's _that_ Mylyn thing
[20:33:05] <d_a_carver> rchern: mylyn shouldn't be the cause of slow downs or memory usage.
[20:33:28] <rcjsuen> rchern: Window > Preferences > Java > Editor > Content Assist > Advanced, check boxes
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[20:33:55] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: i've had permgen problems with Mylyn but not without, could be bad luck i guess
[20:34:13] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: I've had them with WTP and not with out it before as well.
[20:34:25] <rchern> rcjsuen i had it before disabling mylyn.  there's nothing wrong with wanting code completion.
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[20:34:51] <rcjsuen> rchern: oh, there's absolutely nothing wrote with wanting code completion
[20:35:12] <rcjsuen> rchern: You mean you had the code completion problem before disabling Mylyn?
[20:35:15] <d_a_carver> rchern: I used to run eclipse daily on a 1gb xp system so have some experience with this on a single core cpu, so I can give you some tips.
[20:35:45] <d_a_carver> rchern: my first suggestion is re-enable whatever it is you disabled.
[20:35:46] <rcjsuen> In any case, the suggested fix above in the preference page should resolve the code completion issue. It has for me and a few others here on IRC in the past.
[20:36:00] <rchern> [13:32:52pm] <rcjsuen> oho, no code completion << sounded like a sarcastic "stop everything the world is over" :|
[20:36:29] <rcjsuen> rchern: no, just that we get that asked maybe once a week or two
[20:36:59] <rchern> yes i had code completion before disabling mylyn, and it is in the process of re-enabling but restarting is taking forever.
[20:37:26] <d_a_carver> rchern: again, are you using a sun jvm?
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[20:37:35] <rchern> again, yes
[20:37:38] <rchern> ;)
[20:38:32] <d_a_carver> rchern: are you willing to try another jvm for just running eclipse?
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[20:39:11] <rchern> if it'll let me use eclipse to develop at normal pace instead of slower than a snail yes.
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[20:39:37] <d_a_carver> rchern: okay, best jvm I found for a single core system, and responsiveness has been jrockit. http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index.htm&FP=/content/products/weblogic/jrockit/
[20:39:50] <d_a_carver> get JRockit 5 JDK.
[20:40:21] <d_a_carver> one nice thing about it, is that you won't get the permgen errors, as those are specific to Sun jvms.
[20:41:31] <rchern> i'll give it a try.
[20:41:38] <dominikg> i can confirm d_a_carvers observations... i use jrockit to run eclipse aswell, just to run eclipse... the development runtimes are set on a per project basis ofc
[20:41:57] <d_a_carver> once you get it down, you'll want to specify eclipse to use that jvm on startup.
[20:42:08] <d_a_carver> tell rchern about vm
[20:42:18] <d_a_carver> ~tell rchern about vm
[20:42:18] <KOS-MOS> rchern: To learn more about the Eclipse launcher / binary, see - http://www.eclipse.org/swt/launcher.html - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_Launcher - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/misc/launcher.html
[20:42:58] <d_a_carver> rchern:  once you get it going, I've found the following works well for me with jrockit, these settings are jrockit specific: -vmargs -Xms256m -Xmx256m -XXallocPrefetch -XXallocRedoPrefetch
[20:43:54] <dominikg> hmm, how do you get eclipse to use 800M if you force 256max? shouldn't you get an oome then?
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[20:45:20] <d_a_carver> dominikg: it allocates as it needs...really the 256m allocates in 256 chunks.  My eclipse system right now is at 411M
[20:45:41] <d_a_carver> but the heap space monitor is showing 160 of 256m
[20:45:46] <dominikg> ahhh
[20:46:00] * dominikg takes notes
[20:46:38] <d_a_carver> when it hits the 256m heap space it does garbage collection or allocates more 256m of memory.
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[20:47:48] <d_a_carver> I personally think that all eclipse developers should be forced to use eclipse on a single core system for at least a week to see why code optimization needs to be a priority. :)
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[20:52:31] <dominikg> true, and its not only true for eclipse... i don't get the whole premature optimization cries... it doesn't hurt to think before creating a mess just because your workstation can handle it fine doesn't mean the clients can do aswell.... btw. does anyone know if eclipse itself is tested on low end machines?
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[20:57:18] <d_a_carver> dominikg: not sure...I think the vast majority have at least dual cores....I ran for several years on single core, and notice much better performance when I got a low end dual core system.   Unfortunately, threads are sometimes over used.
[21:00:05] <tharbas> rcjsuen : i dont know why but i copied the createComponents from a gmf source file and removed all methods step by step and now i have exactly the same code but now the text is displayed :)
[21:00:33] <rcjsuen> tharbas: you think it's exactly the same
[21:00:38] <rcjsuen> it probably has something minor
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[21:00:51] <dominikg> dito, in my old job i had a single core p4 (no hyperthreading either).. dual-core is definetly worth it. esp. when running a development environment with databases vms and stuff. Quads may even give another boost, tho the majority should still do fine with dualcores for some time to come
[21:00:55] <tharbas> hehe ok i think the main point is this :
[21:00:56] <tharbas> parent.setLayout(new GridLayout(1, false));
[21:00:56] <tharbas> // Top row composite
[21:00:56] <tharbas> Composite topComposite = getWidgetFactory().createComposite(parent);
[21:00:56] <tharbas> topComposite.setLayout(new GridLayout(2, false));
[21:01:06] <rchern> d_a_carver those vm args go in eclipse.ini?
[21:01:55] <dominikg> rchern, i'd add them to the launcher, that way you can easily set up different launchers to use different arguments
[21:02:07] <d_a_carver> well, rchern I put them on the command line I use to launch eclipse: eclipse.exe -vm /path-to-jrockit/jrockit-jdk1.5.0_12/bin/java -vmargs -Xms256m -Xmx256m -XXallocPrefetch -XXallocRedoPrefetch
[21:02:49] <d_a_carver> rchern: so just make sure your -vm points correctly to where you have jrockit installed.
[21:03:01] <rchern> ah, i always just type in c:\eclipse\eclipse.exe ha
[21:03:26] <d_a_carver> rchern: just make a windows shortcut and put it on your desktop.
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[21:04:02] <rchern> i hate using the mouse blah
[21:05:29] <d_a_carver> rchern, create a bat file then. :)
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[21:10:38] <rchern> that's a sneaky way of doing what i want but not
[21:10:55] <rchern> now eclipse.exe is using hardly nothing and java.exe is using 250MB
[21:11:21] <d_a_carver> rchern: it allocated the 250, but might not be using it all right now.
[21:12:07] * rchern shrugs just looking in the task manager and going off of how frozen my computer is
[21:12:21] <d_a_carver> rchern: run with it a while and see how you do.  you may need to play around with -xms and -xmx settings to get it right for your particular system, but in general with the -XXallocPrefetch and -XXallocationRedoPrefetch, the ui should be a bit more responsive.
[21:13:45] <d_a_carver> rchern: believe me I understand the frustration, I have a co-worker with a single core 2mghz thinkpad, with 1gb, and here system crawls.
[21:13:53] <rchern> run it awhile?  i need to code, arg.  any way to get rid of those dos window?
[21:13:59] <rchern> oh i don't even have 2mghz
[21:14:05] <rchern> 1.7 i think
[21:14:42] <d_a_carver> rchern: I ran it fine with 1.2mhz single core system with 1gb.
[21:15:12] <d_a_carver> as for getting rid of the dos windows, not if you used a .bat to launch it.  Windows shortcut won't have that problem.
[21:16:19] <rchern> i did use a shortcut on my taskbar >.<
[21:16:32] <d_a_carver> rchern: performance is one of those tricky things...I found the best performance on the single core system when I switched to linux from windows xp, as it didn't have to deal with xp's overhead.
[21:16:52] <d_a_carver> rchern: then you shouldn't have a dos window open then.
[21:18:00] * rchern sighs. i might not supposed to have one but i do. eh whatever. that's the least of my worries. i'm too far behind in coding for the day to care about a dos window. i just need eclipse to respond faster than 10 seconds per keystroke.
[21:19:08] <tharbas> is it possible to add submenus to existing menus ? its easy to add actions e.g. in the menu "diagramMenu/alignMenu/alignVerticalGroup" but when i try to add a menu with the path "diagramMenu/alignMenu" the menu will not be displayed
[21:19:49] <rcjsuen> That depends on how the menu is created I think.
[21:20:00] <d_a_carver> rchern: yeah you definitely shouldn't be hitting that.
[21:20:52] <tharbas> the existing menu is created by gmf and i am using EditorActions
[21:21:03] <d_a_carver> rchern: how often is your swap file being hit...the more background services you have running the more memory they are going to use and the more you are going to hit your swap file.  So switching jvms in that case isn't going to help your performance problem.
[21:21:45] <d_a_carver> rchern: also belive it or not, how fragmented your hard drive is can be a big draw back to performance as well.   And don't use the built in windows defragger it sucks.
[21:23:16] <d_a_carver> my personal favorite windows defragger is perfectdisk, nice thing about linux I haven't had to worry about defragmenting the hd. :)
[21:23:37] <rchern> d_a_carver i am well aware that my computer is not optimal thanks.  there's nothing i can do about that unless you're sending me a new laptop.  i'm still using notepad and hoping i can at least build/run in eclipse.
[21:25:17] <d_a_carver> rchern: just curious do you a virus scanner installed?  Like McAfee.
[21:25:58] <rchern> yes i do.  i don't have any virii, and no i'm not running a scan now.
[21:26:22] <d_a_carver> rchern: what virus scanner do you have installed?
[21:26:51] <rchern> symantec corporate.
[21:26:52] <d_a_carver> rchern: doesn't matter if you are actually doing a virus scanner, most will try to scan jar files when they are accessed, which will really slow down the system.
[21:27:17] <d_a_carver> rchern: if you can, try telling it not to scan .jar files.
[21:27:31] <rchern> it is already set like that thanks.
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[21:28:29] <d_a_carver> rchern: okay.. the reason I mentioned it was because I had a user that was experiencing slow performance like you described and it was because McAfee was scanning jars everytime they were accessed, once disabling that, the performance issue disappeared.
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[21:29:45] <d_a_carver> rchern: symantec and mcafee are notorious for not playing nice with java in general.   I never had a problem with AVG Free Edition when I used that: http://free.grisoft.com/
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[21:29:53] <d_a_carver> So it's just something else to think about.
[21:30:33] <gsson> Any good snippets out there that concisely shows a working example of org.eclipse.ui.handlers ext.point where enabledFor is true for some kind (type, count or both) of selection in a view?
[21:30:39] <gsson> (Hi all, btw)
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[21:31:43] <rchern> i've been using this laptop to develop java since i got it 2 years ago.  it's a corporate laptop, switching virus protection is not an option.
[21:31:55] <linxeh> d_a_carver: AVG free is great :)
[21:32:05] <rchern> there's 1 thing hogging resources:  europa.
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[21:32:41] <linxeh> rchern: I've had alsorts of issues with europa at work - mainly when my workspace ends up with huge numbers of class indexes etc
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[21:33:20] <linxeh> (its not just me either, most other people in the office get similar problems when they have lots of large projects in use with lots of libraries)
[21:34:49] * rchern shrugs. in about 20 minutes it's going to be quicker for me to drive to work and use netbeans instead of waiting for eclipse to behave.
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[21:37:52] <d_a_carver> linxeh: yeah, depending on the size and number of classes, it is sometimes better to have multiple workspaces instead of one big workspace.
[21:38:44] <rchern> i have 1 project with 5 classes and 1 library but i don't import entire packages.  this is basically as simple as you can get.
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[21:46:01] <linxeh> d_a_carver: well this is the number of 3rd party libraries causing issues (generally). things like getting a 3 second pause every word you type (you type 1 letter and get a pause, even within comments with spell checking off)
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[21:46:17] <linxeh> partly to do with the virus checking on the machines, but that cannot be changed
[21:46:42] <linxeh> partly to do with our glorius clearcase vcs :(
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[21:47:42] <rchern> 3 second pause per word?  i wish :|
[21:48:02] <d_a_carver> linexh: yeah, understandable...my experience though, is that mcafee and sysmatic aren't designed to play friendly with java aps.  I had horrible performance with netbeans in the past (waited 30 minutes once for garbage collection to complete).
[21:49:04] <d_a_carver> just saying that performance is a weird beast especially on a windows system where you have windows bad memory mangement itself playing a role.
[21:49:40] <linxeh> rchern: *every* word
[21:50:30] <linxeh> this is Sophos, but the virus checking isnt really responsible for this lockup because we still get the problems without it running. sophos causes headaches with the clearcase vcs though
[21:50:33] <rchern> yeah, i know.  i was saying that'd be nice because i'm experiencing a longer delay for every *character*
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[21:52:16] <linxeh> ouch
[21:52:18] <linxeh> :o
[21:52:21] <linxeh> what spec machine is it ?
[21:52:54] <rchern> exactly.  eclipse using 320K of memory is worthless is java.exe is using 224,432K lol
[21:53:25] <linxeh> how much ram do you have? what eclipse addons do you have ? (many addons use STUPID amounts of ram)
[21:53:54] <rchern> i already went through all of that ^^ heh
[21:54:00] <linxeh> ill read up
[21:54:10] <rchern> 1gb ram, j2ee europa installation
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[21:54:55] <linxeh> no other addons ?
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[21:55:58] <rchern> subversive
[21:56:53] <d_a_carver> linexh: yeah....I went through all this...which is why I'd almost say just get eclipse classic (no sdk), it's the smallest version of eclipse with java development.
[21:56:54] <linxeh> and you've tried a new workspace, and deleting the %USER_PROFILE%\.eclipse dir ? (I assume you are on windows)
[21:57:05] <linxeh> eclipse classic is quite big ?
[21:57:33] <d_a_carver> well...the other way is download eclipse platform runtime, and then just download and install the jdt.
[21:58:31] <linxeh> or the Eclipse IDE for Java Developers
[21:58:40] <linxeh> 78MB vs 137mb for eclipse classic
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[21:58:58] <rcjsuen> linxeh: Java dev has more plug-ins i think
[21:59:02] <rchern> i don't care how big the download is, simply being able to actually use it heh
[21:59:05] <d_a_carver> yeah, they included PDE in there which means they have the SDK.
[21:59:05] <rcjsuen> well, it depends
[21:59:13] <rcjsuen> linxeh: anyway, Classic is big because there is source code
[21:59:24] <linxeh> ah right
[22:00:39] <d_a_carver> the star workbench (my product based on eclipse) just starts with platform, adds jdt, wtp, and other stuff...I avoid the sdk versions because they take up extra space that aren't necessary.
[22:01:49] <linxeh> at work we use classic then install things from the eclipse site mirror
[22:03:15] <linxeh> rchern: have you tried an alternative download ?
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[22:08:03] <gsson> (and of course I meant enabledWhen up there, but I suppose that doesn't change much :)
[22:08:06] <tharbas> fine everything is working now, thanks for your help rcjsuen =)
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[22:08:48] <roman_7481> SOmebody knows if there is a translation of C/C++ in german?
[22:08:49] <charlls> quick cdt question; before updating, #if 0 ... disabled blocks were grayed out, now i updated the framework and cdt, and it is gone
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[23:00:23] <fierarul> can anyone tell me why I'm getting this OSGi error: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/osgi/framework/BundleActivator when I do have Import-Package: org.osgi.framework; version=1.4 ??
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[23:03:00] <njbartlett> fierarul: That's pretty mysterious
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[23:03:10] <quickdev> Hello
[23:03:42] <rcjsuen> quickdev: Hi
[23:03:43] <fierarul> njbartlett: I'm trying to make a simple OSGi bundle (so it's not a random eclipse error).
[23:04:09] <njbartlett> fierarul: Have you got the OSGi console open? Is the bundle resolved?
[23:04:28] <fierarul> yes
[23:04:33] <fierarul> but no package is imported
[23:05:02] <fierarul> and packages 0 gives me :org.osgi.framework; version="1.4.0"<System Bundle [0]>
[23:05:06] <fierarul> so it's there !
[23:05:14] <njbartlett> Hmm. Is there a blank line at the end of your manifest?
[23:05:21] <njbartlett> (clutching at straws)
[23:05:28] <fierarul> yeah, two :)
[23:05:56] <njbartlett> fierarul: Can you send me a copy of the bundle JAR?
[23:06:00] <fierarul> I also added Bundle-ManifestVersion: 2, Import-Package: org.osgi.framework; version=1.4 and even Bundle-RequiredExecutionEnvironment: J2SE-1.5
[23:06:22] <njbartlett> fierarul: Oh first, pastebin the complete manifest
[23:06:27] <njbartlett> ~pastebin
[23:06:28] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
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[23:08:40] <fierarul> njbartlett: http://rafb.net/p/1LitpG24.html
[23:10:42] <njbartlett> fierarul: Oh I think I see the problem
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[23:11:04] <fierarul> bundle-name or bundle-version don't impact anything.
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[23:11:22] <rcjsuen> that directive doesn't look right
[23:11:25] <njbartlett> fierarul: I believe you need double quotes around the version string
[23:11:52] <njbartlett> fierarul: Import-Package: org.osgi.framework;version="1.4.0"
[23:12:01] <njbartlett> fierarul: Add the .0 just for good measure :-)
[23:13:29] <fierarul> nope, same error.
[23:13:43] <fierarul> org.osgi.framework.BundleException: The activator com.example.Activate for bundle null is invalid
[23:13:50] <fierarul> (caused by CNFE)
[23:14:32] <rcjsuen> Don't directives need :=
[23:14:42] <rcjsuen> like org.eclipse.core.runtime;registry:=split
[23:14:46] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: It's not a directive, it's an attribute
[23:14:47] <rcjsuen> I guess maybe version strings are different.
[23:14:54] <rcjsuen> ah
[23:15:08] * rcjsuen takes note.
[23:19:00] <fierarul> oh, evrika it works. I just had to clean all the project files (including the configuration/ folder for equinox)
[23:19:48] <njbartlett> fierarul: Aha. Great
[23:20:24] <fierarul> njbartlett: yeah, kinda weird, I assumed that rebuilding the JAR was enough, I guess there's some caching somewhere ?
[23:21:31] <njbartlett> fierarul: Well it depends how you launched. Did you do "instal file:..." from the OSGi command line? If so then yes, absolutely it's cached. You can update it with the update command
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[23:22:25] <njbartlett> (This is intended behaviour. If you installed a bundle from an HTTP server, you wouldn't want to have to get it from the server every time you ran)
[23:22:48] <fierarul> njbartlett: actually I run it by having ant generate the config.ini file and start the equinox jar.
[23:23:00] <fierarul> (primitive maybe but I want to get a feeling of how osgi works )
[23:23:14] <njbartlett> fierarul: Well, that's how you ran the framework itself, but how did you get the bundle installed?
[23:24:12] <fierarul> i generate the config.ini and add osgi.bundles=pathToJar@start
[23:25:18] <njbartlett> fierarul: I see. Yeah, in that case it will see that the bundle is already installed, so won't install it again. It doesn't check timestamps or anything... if it's an HTTP URL then there is no timestamp to check
[23:27:45] <njbartlett> fierarul: The persistent behaviour is specified in section 4.3.3 of the OSGi core spec, incidentally. If you installed a bundle "dynamically" using the command line, then stopped the VM and restarted Equinox, then the bundle would still be there after the restart. Even if you didn't add it to config.ini or anything
[23:28:44] <fierarul> interesting.
[23:29:33] <fierarul> so where does it have this storage / cache thingy ?
[23:30:22] <njbartlett> Yeah. In fact during development you don't really need to restart Equinox at all. Just rebuild your bundle JAR and then use the "update" command in the console to reload it
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[23:32:00] <njbartlett> It's in the configuration directory, under the org.eclipse.osgi dir. But other OSGi frameworks keep it in other places (eg Felix creates a .felix directory in $HOME and under that creates separate "profile" directories)
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[23:34:52] <fierarul> aaa, just noticed the hidden files. I'll have to make a note of this behaviour.
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