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[00:21:36] <MediAWakE> so im new to eclipse and im trying to add the sunjdk-1.7 to eclipse, how would I do that
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[00:21:53] <MediAWakE> [im sorry but I am a beginner]
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[00:22:56] <martinkli> MediAWakE: is eclipse already running?
[00:23:18] <MediAWakE> yupp
[00:23:53] <martinkli> then just go to window->preferences->java->installed jres
[00:24:04] <MediAWakE> ok im there,
[00:24:10] <MediAWakE> but what's the JRE home dir
[00:25:08] <martinkli> is the jdk already installed on your system?
[00:25:13] <MediAWakE> oh
[00:25:17] <MediAWakE> found it
[00:25:29] <MediAWakE> ok do I need n e other arguments
[00:25:47] <martinkli> when you select a valid home directory, eclipse should detect the other settings
[00:25:59] <martinkli> there should be several entries in the list below now
[00:26:02] <MediAWakE> yupp
[00:26:19] <MediAWakE> ok I think I got it
[00:26:24] <MediAWakE> THANKS
[00:26:26] <MediAWakE> :)
[00:26:31] <martinkli> you're welcome
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[00:32:30] <karltk> I'm getting some very strange "ClassDefNotFoundException" when my plugin is activated. AFAICT, all required plugins are present, and they contain all required classes. The plugin set validates, and the PDE compiler doesn't complain. Any idea on how to best diagnose which classes are visible for a particular plugin's classloader?
[00:33:29] <njbartlett> karltk: Are you using Import-Package or Required-Bundle?
[00:34:09] <karltk> njbartlett: Require-Bundle
[00:34:34] <njbartlett> karltk: From that description, it sounds like you may have two bundles exporting the same package, and one of them is missing the class you need. I assume the exception tells you which class is failing to load?
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[00:36:10] <karltk> njbartlett: yup, I know which class it is.
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[00:36:46] <karltk> njbartlett: I'm firing up a child eclipse with only the minimal bundle set. Lemme triple check that I don't have a conflict in the bundle names.
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[00:39:14] <njbartlett> karltk: The other thing you can do is use the OSGi console at runtime to find out which exporter(s) you're wired to in the problematic bundle.
[00:44:15] <karltk> njbartlett: thx!
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[01:08:18] <lessthanzero> anyone have experience with eclipse + mamp ?
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[02:26:00] <the_giver> hi
[02:26:20] <the_giver> anyone manage to get eclipse + vim shortcuts working on a mac (osx leopard) ?
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[02:48:47] <floppypond_> rivia
[02:49:29] <bobbytech3> block copy?
[02:49:34] <bobbytech3> block copy!
[02:49:38] <bobbytech3> block copy.
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[03:30:53] <mikanoza> hello
[03:31:33] <mikanoza> does anybody know how can I create an in icon in Eclipse's Welcome screen: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2146/2230006520_e35ce70d57_o.png ?
[03:31:58] <mikanoza> I am sure there is an extension point here, but which one?
[03:35:15] <bobbytech3> where is the block copy issue to be found?
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[04:00:42] <bobbytech3> how can I perform a block copy in eclipse?
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[04:04:22] <rcjsuen> bobbytech3: there's a bug in bugzilla
[04:04:48] <mmr> rcjsuen: just one?
[04:05:18] <rcjsuen> Well, there's one for the support in StyledText, then another for support in the editor.
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[05:32:27] <hax> in CDT, how are you supposed to add a library to be included in the build? i'm looking for something like -l for gcc, but in eclipse
[05:32:41] <rcjsuen> ~cdt-faq
[05:32:41] <KOS-MOS> Looking for all of the answers related to CDT, or just most of them?  Check out the mighty CDT-FAQ (http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/User/FAQ).
[05:37:10] <hax> rcjsuen: those directions don't seem to match up with what's in my version of CDT
[05:37:29] <hax> "Tool Setting Tab" doesn't seem to be a thing
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[05:39:27] <rcjsuen> hax: Might want to try the CDT newsgroup then.
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[05:50:54] <hax> rcjsuen: aha! they did change it, but i found it
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[05:54:03] <rcjsuen> hax: You should update the FAQ then.
[05:54:11] <hax> rcjsuen: you're right, i forgot it was a wiki
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[06:53:41] <webPragmatist> anyone around using aptana?
[06:54:58] <webPragmatist> or even eclipse because i think this is an eclipse issue
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[06:55:50] <webPragmatist> i can't refactor stuff......
[06:56:20] <pencap> how can i tell where my eclipse home is?  I'm h aving trouble installing a plugin
[06:56:36] <pencap> i assumed it was ~/.eclipse
[06:56:50] <pencap> but when i unzipped viPlugin there, it still doesn't show up per the instructions (on 3.3.1)
[06:57:14] <webPragmatist> just use vi lol
[06:57:19] <webPragmatist> vim* even
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[06:57:59] <webPragmatist> sorry i am rather annoyed at eclipse
[06:58:09] <pencap> how come?
[06:58:11] <webPragmatist> i have given it plenty of trials and am never satisfied
[06:58:20] <pencap> so you go back to vim?
[06:58:28] <webPragmatist> yes pretty much
[06:58:40] <pencap> i'm just new to java, so ifigured it would help me setup my classpatha nd all that stuff that gets confusing a bit
[06:58:52] <webPragmatist> for java i use netbeans
[06:59:07] <pencap> why not vim ?
[06:59:18] <webPragmatist> i dunno never tried?
[06:59:23] <pencap> hm. ok.
[07:01:05] <jwisher> actually, eclipse is excellent for java.  and you don't need to setup any classpath.
[07:01:47] <pencap> cool.  thats what i was hoping.  Also it seems easy to tinker with different jvm's, as at work they're still running 1.4.2 and i shouldn't have to mess with much to get that to work
[07:02:11] <pencap> its just i've been doing most db programming and it would be nice to get this viplugin thingy to work.
[07:03:46] <jwisher> idk what viplugin is, but i use eclipse for java with great pleasure.
[07:03:58] <pencap> jwisher:  do you use any plugins?
[07:04:08] <webPragmatist> java in general is cruddy on windows i think
[07:04:13] <pencap> webPragmatist: i'm on linux
[07:04:28] <webPragmatist> yea well.... that's neat
[07:04:32] <webPragmatist> lol
[07:04:42] <webPragmatist> even java apps though
[07:05:22] <pencap> ok.
[07:05:25] <pencap> webPragmatist: i agree.  computers and not computers mostly suck.
[07:05:36] <webPragmatist> i'm not being pessimistic
[07:06:02] <pencap> ok.
[07:06:09] <webPragmatist> i have yet to use a java app that i enjoyed using on windows........... none of the dialogs work right.... they are larger than necessary...... you need a huge jre
[07:06:26] <jwisher> i only use plugins that are on the eclipse discovery site.  also, why the hell would you need a vi/vim plugin?  that is really stupid.
[07:06:58] <pencap> jwisher: i guess i dont really need it, its just i've been doing text editing in vim for 10 years and it would be a bit more comfy for me.  I haven't been in a full fledged IDE in a long time.
[07:07:17] <jwisher> webPragmatist please learn java before coming up with such crazy comments.  it isn't java at fault.  it is the developer.
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[07:07:38] <webPragmatist> jwisher: ok buddy
[07:07:47] <pencap> lol.  i feel a lot of love in this room.
[07:07:52] <pencap> i think i'm going to go learn .net
[07:08:08] <webPragmatist> if you are writing an app for windows i would highly suggest it
[07:08:19] <pencap> neat, but i'm not.
[07:08:36] <webPragmatist> cool
[07:10:26] <webPragmatist> jwisher: explain to me why i can't navigate through eclipse without a mouse?
[07:10:52] <webPragmatist> is that a java problem or an eclipse developer issue?
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[09:18:49] <philk_> njbartlett: you there? Did you offer your sourcecode to yesterdays seminar?
[09:19:23] <njbartlett> philk_: Hi. No I haven't yet. I need to get it cleaned up a little bit, there's some extra crap in the build file. I will get it up there as soon as possible
[09:19:37] <njbartlett> If you just want the source code though, I can pastebin that for you if you like
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[09:29:19] <philk_> njbartlett: I just want to understand the concept of seperating interfaces from implementations again. You say that I have a bundle defining the interfaces (called somebundle.api) but could that also contain the implementation for instance of a ServiceTracker? Or would you go for a strict separation of interfaces (API) and implementations?
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[09:33:22] <njbartlett> philk_: I tend to go for a strict separation. The reason for that is if you have a bundle that provides both a Service Interface and an implementation, it makes it difficult to replace that implementation with an alternative. Because obviously, if you take away that implementation, you have to take away the interface as well, because they're in the same bundle
[09:34:16] <njbartlett> philk_: Also there was a thread recently on the equinox-dev mailing list about another problem with shipping interface and implementation together... just looking for it in the archive
[09:35:47] <njbartlett> philk_: Got it. Here's the first message in the thread, use the links to read the replies: http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/equinox-dev/msg03526.html
[09:36:56] <philk_> njbartlett: My concrete project is about defining Preferences Beans (implementing IPreference) and registering them as OSGi Service. Then a ServiceTracker takes all those services and adds/removes them to/from the Workbench Preferences Dialog. So I should put IPreference in a seperate bundle, called... org.examlple.preferences.api and the ST into org.example.preferences.core ?
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[09:38:24] <njbartlett> njbartlett: Yeah I think so. Remember that ServiceTracker is a consumer-side artifact. Consumer bundles should *certainly* be separated from the interface for the services they consume. That's the whole point of late binding, after all :-)
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[09:40:12] <linnuxxy> can I use the nebula CDateTime with eclipse 3.2?
[09:40:23] <njbartlett> philk_: The other benefit of the separation is you can evolve the interface and the implementation at different rates. Obviously an implementation class is going to change a lot more frequently than the definition of the API
[09:41:37] <njbartlett> philk_: Also remember you can put multiple interfaces into one API bundle. And if you use Import-Package rather than Require-Bundle, you can move packages around between different bundles later.
[09:41:44] <linnuxxy> the nebula_cdatetime_0.9.0.jar does not work for me!
[09:43:13] <philk_> njbartlett: so you end up with a lot of bundles in the end... but thats ok for equinox?
[09:44:53] <njbartlett> philk_: I don't think you would need to have lots of bundles. Like I said, you can put many APIs into one API bundle. But yeah, Equinox can handle at least several hundred bundles... take a look at your Eclipse plugins directory! Not to say that Felix etc cannot handle that number of bundles, though.
[09:44:59] <philk_> njbartlett: I stopped using import-package since autmated management of dependencies did not work correctly or I was missusing it. The code compiled fine but at runtime there where a lot of packages missing cause sometimes not all required packages where added to the import-packages clause by PDE.
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[09:46:43] <philk_> njbartlett: Sure we could put API together but that would also defeat the component nature of a plugin based app. If we have all in one bundle it can get messy to maintain... I am sure there is no single "best way" to do that. And even Eclipse is constantly refactoring bundles.
[09:47:59] <philk_> njbartlett: I try to group API into bundles that belong together, like client services
[09:49:12] <njbartlett> philk_: Eclipse is messed up because of Require-Bundle everywhere. If you use only Import-Package, then you can move your packages around between bundles later.
[09:50:38] <philk_> njbartlett: I saw that :) How do I use automated management of dependencies correctly?
[09:50:59] <njbartlett> philk_: Oh you mean that tab on the PDE manifest editor? Nobody uses that!
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[09:51:48] <philk_> njbartlett: I just recently saw a webinar where it was recommended to use
[09:51:55] <philk_> njbartlett: PDE 101
[09:52:43] <njbartlett> Really, Chris recommended that? Sheesh, he was telling me what crap it was. I think Jeff likes it though. Anyway, I don't think there is a good way to use it because it's broken.
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[09:53:46] <philk_> njbartlett: its heavily broken!
[09:53:55] <^__ToNi__^> hi,I've a problem with cheat sheet..can anybody help me?
[09:53:58] <philk_> njbartlett: so just add all imports myself
[09:54:19] <njbartlett> philk_: Yeah, afraid so. That's the PDE way. You notice in the webinar I wasn't using PDE at all though :-)
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[09:58:06] <njbartlett> philk_: Okay, got to take my kids to nursery. TTYL
[09:58:11] <^__ToNi__^> CAN ANYBODY HELP ME WITH MY CHEAT SHEET PROBLEM?
[09:58:33] <njbartlett> ^__ToNi__^: It's rude to shout. And you haven't even said what your problem is!
[09:58:40] <philk_> gosh Toni... if someone could they would answer
[09:58:53] <^__ToNi__^> ok I'll try to explain you
[09:59:08] <philk_> never worked with cheatsheets before
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[09:59:22] <^__ToNi__^> I want create a cheat sheet and put inside a button
[09:59:45] <^__ToNi__^> when you press the button I want to write some code inside the eclipse editor
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[10:00:14] <^__ToNi__^> what is the method for write code inside eclipse editor with a program?
[10:00:53] <^__ToNi__^> I'm able to show an input dialog but I want write code directly inside the editor
[10:01:11] <^__ToNi__^> anybody knows the method?
[10:01:20] <^__ToNi__^> :)
[10:01:45] <lemmy> just guessing but doesn't the editor has some form of setInput(*) method?
[10:03:40] <^__ToNi__^> where I can find documentation about this?
[10:05:09] <^__ToNi__^> in wich class is this method?
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[10:37:29] <philk_> toni: Just fetch the active editor and set its IEditorInput
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[10:44:12] <^__ToNi__^> how can I fetch the editor? have you an example? thanks!
[10:44:42] <skoptelov> What should I do if there no features under "Eclipse SDK" in "Help"->"Software Updates" -> "Manage configuration"? It was all there, but disappeared today.
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[10:48:38] <philk_> njbartlett: how would you name the package for API bundles? somebundle.api?
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[10:57:28] <legendi|work> re
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[11:04:24] <philk_> njbartlett: how would you name the package for API bundles? somebundle.api?
[11:05:13] <njbartlett> philk_: Something like that. I don't really have any rules for bundle naming. It doesn't really matter that much, IMHO
[11:05:36] <njbartlett> philk_: Some people like to give their bundles names like Java packages, eg org.eclipse.blah.blah
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[11:06:51] <philk_> njbartlett: lets say I have a IPreference that has methods like getId(), getPath(), getLabel(), that all return just Strings. Those methods are only used by the ServiceTracker and nobody else. Would it be wise to remove them from the interface (they are after all just noise) and rather use Service Properties instead?
[11:07:14] <philk_> njbartlett: I was more interested in *package* naming than bundle naming.
[11:07:39] <njbartlett> philk_: Hmm it sounds like they should be service properties. Then you could filter on them as well
[11:08:14] <philk_> njbartlett: I have to agree with you, that the name of the bundle, especially when using package-imports, does not really matter.
[11:08:27] <philk_> njbartlett: yes filtering would be a great plus
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[11:09:22] <philk_> njbartlett: especially when I am thinking about filtering for roles, that the currently logged in user has. Then the preference would be loaded but not added to the preferences dialog, so user without admin roles, cannot change them.
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[11:12:24] <philk_> njbartlett: To ease the burden on side of the Service implementors, I would like to provide a helper method that creates the Service Property Map for you using a simple method or something. If its a method, it could be static in the interface itself. Or create a helper class that extends Dictionary and its constructor takes all the neccessary properties for the service? So you would not have to fill the properties map yourself all the tim
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[11:14:37] <njbartlett> philk_: Hmmm I don't tend to do that myself. I do however put static constants in the service interface, for the names of the properties.
[11:15:11] <njbartlett> Of course, in Java there's always tension between doing as little as possible in order to keep things generic, and providing utilities to make interfaces easier to implement.
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[11:16:43] <philk_> njbartlett: and to ensure you follow a contract I think its easier to allow the user to make as less mistakes as possible... after all "who is reading docs"? :)
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[11:19:05] <njbartlett> philk_: Well, it's a bit of a stretch to call a Java interface a contract. The implementor is always going to have more flexibility than you want to give him :-) Still, this is a general Java design issue rather than OSGi-specific...
[11:20:03] <philk_> njbartlett: Well, the property map could also easily contain an Object, right? So my Interface has a method to return the IPreferenceStore... I could also put this into the properties. Question is, do I need the interface at all. I just need it for adding the preferences to the JFace Preferences Dialog anyway. All the rest I read out using Annotations and reflection anyway.
[11:20:48] <philk_> njbartlett: The user just would have to register its Object as a service using a specific name.
[11:21:02] <philk_> njbartlett: Not sure if that is good style, though :)
[11:21:36] <njbartlett> philk_: No, it does need to be the name of an interface. Or at least a class...
[11:22:23] <njbartlett> philk_: The reason is the ServiceTracker does some class-space consistency checks to ensure it doesn't give you an implementation which is incompatible with your bundle's classpath.
[11:22:47] <njbartlett> philk_: Ever wondered what the option boolean argument on ServiceTracker.open() was for? ;-)
[11:23:35] <philk_> njbartlett: yes, without setting this parameter to true you would not get allready registered services when opening the tracker
[11:23:45] <njbartlett> philk_: Nope, that's not it at all
[11:24:48] <philk_> njbartlett: thats the behaviour I discovered, at least
[11:24:50] <njbartlett> philk_: If you set it to false, you get service implementations which are incompatible with your bundle's classpath. So if you cast them to the service interface, you get a ClassCastException
[11:25:00] <njbartlett> philk_: No, I've never found a useful purpose for that either :-)
[11:25:11] <philk_> hehe
[11:25:16] <philk_> just wanted to ask
[11:25:24] <philk_> why is it the default value...
[11:25:35] <njbartlett> The default is true, which is a good thing
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[11:25:47] <philk_> ah its true? hmmm
[11:25:54] <njbartlett> Oh wait, do I have this the wrong way around..
[11:26:12] <philk_> no, its false :(
[11:26:16] <njbartlett> Yeah sorry I've got it the wrong way around
[11:26:30] <njbartlett> If you set it to true, you get incompatible services. So the default is false, which is sensible.
[11:26:46] <philk_> ok I see, makes sense then
[11:27:20] <philk_> So I need an interface that can be empty?
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[11:29:25] <njbartlett> philk_: Yeah, marker interfaces are quite common I guess
[11:30:03] <njbartlett> philk_: Just thinking though... if you don't really need to call methods on this class, do you really need a Java object at all? Ie maybe your use-case isn't really an ideal one for Service Registry after all
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[11:33:47] <philk_> njbartlett: I will explain. I have a reflection based framework to persist preferences that are annotated to any object. Those Objects usally follow the Java Bean spec, but do not have to. So users of the class do not know the data (or part of it) comes from a persisted state. Now you should be able to edit this preferences through the Eclipse PReferences Dialog. For that I dynamically add/remove PreferenceNode to the Workbench's Preferen
[11:33:48] <philk_> need to know where to store the Preferences for each object, thats why I need to know the IPreferenceStore. I have a default fallback when there is no preference store given I will use the bundle's implementing the ServiceTracker preference store.
[11:34:20] <njbartlett> philk_: I'm just about to send off a zip of my project from the webinar to Lynn for the website. Before I do that, would you mind testing it to check I haven't got any paths in there that are specific to my machine, things like that?
[11:34:42] <philk_> njbartlett: can try that :)
[11:34:53] <njbartlett> Thanks, will give you a URL in a second
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[11:35:36] <philk_> njbartlett: What I wanna say is that I really do not need an Interface, but can work with any Object that has the required annotations.
[11:36:00] <njbartlett> philk_: I see. Then I guess you could always offer the service as java.lang.Object?
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[11:36:39] <philk_> njbartlett: yes thats basically true :)
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[11:37:36] <philk_> njbartlett: But of course I should be able to filter those services, so they should have at least some property like "preferences.id" that I need later to add the preference nodes to the dialog
[11:38:15] <njbartlett> Yeah. You could do all the filtering on properties, though
[11:38:31] <philk_> njbartlett: to offer a service as java.lang.Object is ok to do?
[11:38:40] <njbartlett> philk_: Yup, sure
[11:38:55] <philk_> njbartlett: any examples who does it that way?
[11:39:29] <njbartlett> philk_: Can't think of any. I could ask Peter K... hmm I wish he would come onto IRC!
[11:40:02] <njbartlett> Ah he's online on Skype... will ask him
[11:40:49] <philk_> njbartlett: thanks... planning to create a little tutorial about this preferences stuff myself later the year
[11:41:29] <njbartlett> Sounds cool. Where are you thinking of publishing it?
[11:43:18] <philk_> njbartlett: maybe just as a screencast with sourcecode
[11:43:27] <njbartlett> philk_: Okay Peter says it's absolutely fine to offer services as java.lang.Object, although he thinks your use-case is silly :-p
[11:43:43] <philk_> hehe
[11:43:52] <njbartlett> philk_: Oh and he says if Sun had had their way, all services would have had to implement a special "Service" interface.
[11:44:21] <philk_> well maintaining a lot of preference you wish not to handcode all this over and over again.
[11:46:20] <philk_> first I wanted to get rid of preference pages (defined as extension in xml) since I can generate them on the fly from any annotated object. So I thought services might be a good way to dynamically inject new preference pages
[11:48:11] <philk_> Maybe Peter has a better idea how to achieve this? I am open to all suggestions, since that is all pretty new for me
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[11:49:50] <philk_> Generated preference page looks like this then: http://fishtravel.net/files/tks/Image22.png
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[11:50:56] <kosh[0]> hi, is there a way to tell eclipse to re-encode a file from one encoding to another?
[11:51:03] <kosh[0]> I want to change a file from ISO-8859-1 to UTF8 ?
[11:51:10] <kosh[0]> and maybe do the same to a whole bunch of other files
[11:51:23] <kosh[0]> maybe a plugin someone knows about? I've looked around, but I aint found anything for this task
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[11:52:47] <philk_> kosh[0] I would need such for .properties files to edit them in UTF-8 but save them in this stupid format Sun decided for .properties files
[11:53:28] <kosh[0]> I don't know those files, are they like configuration files for solaris?
[11:53:38] <kosh[0]> I think I just stumbled across a way
[11:53:42] <kosh[0]> set encoding -> set UTF8
[11:53:43] <philk_> no Java properties files
[11:53:47] <kosh[0]> Undo
[11:53:59] <kosh[0]> I found the file in UTF8, but properly re-encoded
[11:54:01] <kosh[0]> thats strange
[11:54:21] <kosh[0]> now when I upload it, all the crazy characters are gone
[11:54:22] <kosh[0]> weird
[11:54:28] <kosh[0]> I wonder if set encoding -> UTF8
[11:54:45] <kosh[0]> then close the file and change the eclipse file properties from ISO88591 -> utf8
[11:54:50] <kosh[0]> maybe that is the proper way
[11:55:22] <kosh[0]> philk_: but Java property files are not UTF-8 encoded anyway?? thats weird, since the amount of XML they do
[11:55:31] <kosh[0]> I would have thought Java would have standardised on that ages ago
[11:55:49] <philk_> nope
[11:56:03] <kosh[0]> so what encoding are they? if not UTF-8 ?
[11:56:07] <kosh[0]> a special magic java encoding?
[11:56:47] <philk_> yeah something weird... looks like \u0312
[11:56:49] <legendi|work> i guess iso-8859-1, but thats a tip
[11:57:33] <njbartlett> kosh[0]: Yeah Java properties files are ISO-8859-1 only. It's shit. If you need to represent other character sets, you have to use Unicode escape sequences
[11:57:41] <legendi|work> kosh[0]: try using a properties editor plugin, like Resource Boundle. They convert the utf-8 characters, endlines automatically
[11:57:41] <njbartlett> kosh[0]: Eg \u8025
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[11:58:06] <kosh[0]> omg
[11:58:07] <njbartlett> kosh[0]: That's why the Java distribution contains a tool called native2ascii
[11:58:14] <kosh[0]> I never realised that
[11:58:27] <kosh[0]> are they planning on changing this anytime soon?¿
[11:58:31] <kosh[0]> cause I mean, it's a bit retarded
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[11:58:37] <njbartlett> kosh[0]: Yeah. It's a legacy of Java 1.0, I don't know why they haven't fixed it.
[11:58:48] <kosh[0]> hmm, perhaps too much work
[11:58:49] <njbartlett> Probably not. Complain to Sun :-)
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[11:59:27] <njbartlett> philk_: Can you try this out please: http://neilbartlett.name/downloads/LiveDemo.zip
[11:59:58] <philk_> njbartlett: private chat seems not to work with my client here
[12:01:22] <njbartlett> philk_: If you import that project into Eclipse, you should get a launcher called Equinox in your Run menu
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[12:05:36] <philk_> njbartlett: give me some time please, i need to answer a support call right now :)
[12:05:50] <njbartlett> philk_: No prob. Thanks.
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[12:16:45] <acuster> Hey all, isn't there a way to show the return types in the outline view?
[12:17:42] <acuster> wohoo! found it. Thanks anyhow
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[12:27:35] <philk_> njbartlett: ok it compiles... how can i load the lauch config?
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[12:37:53] <philk_> njbartlett: ok it compiles... how can i load the lauch config?
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[12:38:25] <njbartlett> If you go into Run -> Run Configurations... then it should just be there, under Java Application as "Equinox"
[12:39:17] <philk_> nope, checked that already. Using Eclipse 3.3
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[12:46:26] <njbartlett> philk_: Hmm. Well, that's the way it *should* work. Let's see...
[12:47:46] <njbartlett> philk_: Ah okay, I found the problem
[12:48:07] <philk_> I am all ears
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[12:55:36] <njbartlett> philk_: Could you try again? re-download the zip
[12:55:39] <moya> is there any plugin to get a standard linux shell terminal inside the workbench?
[12:56:28] <njbartlett> ~tell moya about plugins
[12:56:29] <KOS-MOS> moya: Look for plug-ins at the Eclipse Plug-in Central (http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/) and EclipsePlugins (http://eclipse-plugins.info)
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[13:01:26] <philk_> njbartlett: works, which relative path do I have to use to install the bundles?
[13:01:57] <njbartlett> philk_: Relative to the project root. So "install file:build/bundles/thingy.jar" would work
[13:02:03] <philk_> ok
[13:02:07] <philk_> works
[13:02:20] <njbartlett> During the webinar I ran with build/bundles as my working dir, to save typing :-)
[13:02:36] <philk_> njbartlett: maybe setting the working dir to build/bundles would be a good idea?
[13:02:40] <philk_> njbartlett :)
[13:02:57] <njbartlett> Yeah, the only thing is you would have to do "file:../../libs/mysql_connector.jar" to get the MySQL library
[13:04:38] <njbartlett> philk_: Okay so I'll send this off to Lynn and hopefully it will be on the Eclipse Live site soon. Of course it's still only 7AM in Ottawa...
[13:07:28] <philk_> njbartlett: ok, looks fine to me. Played a bit with it... I like OSGi Services. Wish Eclipse would be already ported to it, so you could really make use of the dynamic nature of OSGi
[13:08:09] <philk_> njbartlett: I also like the idea of the "Whiteboard pattern". I will use it now more often instead of listeners.
[13:09:06] <njbartlett> philk_: Yes. I'm using the whiteboard pattern in an expanded version of the Mailboxes application.
[13:09:24] <njbartlett> philk_: Which is basically the running example in my book and the tutorial I'm doing at EclipseCon
[13:09:33] <philk_> njbartlett: which you will present soon hopefully?
[13:09:58] <philk_> njbartlett: I will not be able to attend to EclipseCon this year, but check out the presentation papers afterwards
[13:10:05] <njbartlett> philk_: Which, the book? Yeah soon, I hope.
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[13:10:54] <philk_> njbartlett: the current published books are already way out of date. They propagate extensions that have been depreacted with 3.3... about time for a new book :)
[13:11:12] <njbartlett> Oh yeah. The only OSGi book is based on Release 2 or something
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[13:11:47] <njbartlett> Anyway, since my book is free, I'm going to release "beta" copies early, so you don't have to wait for a fully polished and complete book
[13:11:51] <philk_> njbartlett: I think you could start a book by diving into OSGi and then set on top of it a powerful RCP
[13:11:58] <njbartlett> philk_: BTW where are you, geographically?
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[13:12:21] <philk_> njbartlett: I am in Cologne, Germany
[13:12:36] <njbartlett> philk_: Ah, I'm not interested in writing about RCP. Jeff McAffer and Jean-Michel Lemieux did that already. This is not an Eclipse book, it's an OSGi book.
[13:12:53] <njbartlett> philk_: Ah okay. You're aware the OSGi Community Event thing will be in Berlin in June?
[13:13:04] <philk_> njbartlett: I did not mean you personally, but impersonally "you" :)
[13:13:22] <njbartlett> Right fair enough :-)
[13:13:37] <philk_> njbartlett: I think I read about it yes, but not sure if I could attend there.
[13:14:24] <njbartlett> philk_: 10th and 11th June. I know Berlin's not that close to Köln but at least it's not a 14 hour flight to flipping California
[13:15:39] <philk_> njbartlett: I know, Berlin is always worth a trip. Just do not know if I will have free time. Summer usally is full with projects. Being a freelance contractor you take what you can get :)
[13:16:02] <njbartlett> Sure, I know the feeling.
[13:16:54] <njbartlett> I've never been to Berlin actually. Lots of trips to Germany but mostly Frankfurt and Düsseldorf
[13:18:46] <philk_> njbartlett: where are you located?
[13:18:53] <njbartlett> London
[13:20:45] <philk_> njbartlett: thought so, somewhere from the island... british english :)
[13:20:54] <philk_> nice to meet you :)
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[13:21:41] <njbartlett> philk_: Likewise. Ooh just looking through the list of attendees from the webinar... one guy connected from the Faroe Islands!
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[13:22:12] <philk_> they have electricity there? Wonderful :)
[13:25:53] <njbartlett> philk_: And the internets as well! Amazing :-)
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[13:51:11] <philk__> njbartlett: can I return null from addingService inside a ST?
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[13:51:35] <njbartlett> philk__: Yup
[13:51:59] <philk__> njbartlett: then no removedService would be called, I assume
[13:52:23] <njbartlett> philk__: No, removedService WILL be called. The second parameter will be null
[13:52:36] <philk__> njbartlett: So if the given service reference does not contain a certain property I can ignore it.
[13:52:41] <philk__> njbartlett: ah, ok
[13:53:29] <philk__> njbartlett: so to ensure that I only get services that have a certain set of properties set, I can use a filter. Like "(preferences.id=*)"
[13:53:34] <njbartlett> philk__: You still have to do cleanup in the removedService of whatever you did in the addingService. So if you called getService() in adding, then you have to call ungetService() in removed
[13:54:11] <philk__> njbartlett: I call the super method in both addingService and removedService
[13:54:40] <njbartlett> philk__: Okay. The superclass imlementation basically just does getService() and ungetService()
[13:55:10] <philk__> njbartlett: yup, thats fine with me.
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[13:55:54] <njbartlett> Also, if you return null from addingService, then anybody who called the getService() method of the ServiceTracker will always get null... whether there's a service in existence or not.
[13:57:34] <philk__> njbartlett: I understand. Thats the supposed behaviour. The service is basically invalid. But nobody is using my service tracker. Its pure internal :)
[13:57:49] <philk__> njbartlett: How do I use your FilterBuilder to compose an LDAP filter?
[13:58:13] <njbartlett> philk__: Sure, that's fine.
[13:58:18] <njbartlett> Oh did I leave that in there?
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[13:58:43] <philk__> njbartlett: yes you did :)
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[13:59:16] <njbartlett> Oh well. You could use it like this:
[13:59:26] <njbartlett> c o n t e x t . c r e a t e F i l t e r ( n e w A n d F i l t e r (
[13:59:27] <njbartlett> n e w E q F i l t e r ( C o n s t a n t s . O B J E C T C L A S S , M a i l b o x . c l a s s . g e t N a m e ( ) ) ,
[13:59:27] <njbartlett> n e w E q F i l t e r ( M a i l b o x . N A M E _ P R O P E R T Y , " w e l c o m e " ) ,
[13:59:27] <njbartlett> n e w E q F i l t e r ( " l a n g " , " e n " )
[13:59:27] <njbartlett> ) . t o S t r i n g ( ) ) ;
[13:59:40] <njbartlett> Ooops, weird font. Did that come through?
[13:59:46] <njbartlett> ~pastebin
[13:59:46] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[13:59:49] <gromgull> i would like to add plugin nature to some project, i.e. adding a manifest.mf etc. BUT I would like the project to keep working as a normal java project for people who do not have eclipse-rcp installed. Is this possible?
[14:00:16] <njbartlett> ~tell gromgull about natures
[14:00:16] <KOS-MOS> gromgull: Need to assign a nature to a project by hand? http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_do_I_manually_assign_a_project_Nature_or_BuildCommand.3F
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[14:00:38] <njbartlett> gromgull: Oh wait, that wasn't exactly your question, sorry
[14:00:42] <gromgull> yep - i've copied the nature lines to the .project file... the question is whether this breaks when you do not hav ethis nature installed?
[14:01:32] <philk__> njbartlett: yes came through
[14:01:43] <njbartlett> philk__: http://pastebin.ca/884540
[14:02:04] <njbartlett> gromgull: No, I don't think so. If somebody doesn't have PDE installed then the nature will be ignored.
[14:02:11] <gromgull> nice
[14:02:19] <gromgull> i guess I will just commit it and wait for people to complain :)
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[14:05:57] <nanothief> With the downloads for eclipse listed at www.eclipse.org/downloads, are the differences between the packages (eg the java and c/c++ package) just what plugins are installed by default?
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[14:06:53] <o_gardiner> hi everyone
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[14:07:57] <o_gardiner> I've got a small problem with my eclipse 3.3
[14:08:27] <o_gardiner> Usually the keyboard shortcut Alt-Shift-T should open the refactoring submenu
[14:08:40] <o_gardiner> my keyboard shortcut settings still say it should
[14:08:55] <o_gardiner> But unfortunately it doesn't
[14:09:35] <o_gardiner> when pressing Alt-Shift-T, after waiting a few seconds, all I get is a small window showing four keys to press for the most important refactoring tools
[14:09:50] <bobbytek> that's even better!
[14:10:16] <martinkli> nanothief: yes
[14:10:45] <o_gardiner> Any ideas on how to revert the original behaviour?
[14:11:14] <gromgull> o_gardiner, i am sure you can change it in the key-binding window
[14:11:19] <paulweb515> o_gardiner: that's usually what happens with alt+shift+r
[14:11:20] <gromgull> i.e. Window menu, preferences
[14:11:27] <gromgull> then type key in the quick search box
[14:11:50] <o_gardiner> thanks, but I think that my shortcuts are on default
[14:12:06] <nanothief> martinkli: cool. So what would be a good version to start with? I plan to use it for java, c++ and ruby-on-rails (I'm guessing Eclipse Classic?)
[14:12:08] <o_gardiner> http://img.i7m.de/show/4y3a7-xw6wt-wrq08-u0pwf7.png   <-  this is a shortcut
[14:12:09] <gromgull> well - you can still change it - maybe the default changed in a recent elicpse?
[14:12:29] <paulweb515> gromgull: no that should be thessame
[14:12:36] <gromgull> ah - so it IS there
[14:12:39] <gromgull> but scope pydev editor
[14:12:43] <gromgull> is that what you are using?
[14:12:43] <paulweb515> o_gardiner: go to Window>Preferences>General>Keys
[14:12:53] <njbartlett> nanothief: There's no single download for all of those things. You should probably download the Java Development package, and then add CDT and Ruby support via the Update Manager
[14:13:02] <o_gardiner> gromgull: No, I'm in Java edit mode
[14:13:17] <paulweb515> if you type +T in the filter field at top, you should see "Show Refactor Quick Menu"
[14:13:24] <njbartlett> nanothief: Eclipse Classic is probably NOT what you want. It includes the plug-in development stuff for people who want to write Eclipse plug-ins.
[14:13:26] <gromgull> so change the scope
[14:13:39] <o_gardiner> the last line (unfortunately not the highlighted one) says: Alt-Shift-T -> Refactore
[14:14:05] <paulweb515> o_gardiner: did you find the keybinding I mentioend?
[14:14:06] <o_gardiner> Ok, I'll try that
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[14:14:15] <paulweb515> s/mentioend/mentioned/
[14:14:22] <o_gardiner> paulweb515: I'm gonna try, one second...
[14:15:12] <o_gardiner> paulweb515: Isn't that what is currentlyn set?
[14:15:37] <o_gardiner> It says: Alt-Shift-T, in Windows Scope, Show Refactor Quick Menu
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[14:16:19] <nanothief> njbartlett: right, thanks for that. btw I'll probably download the java EE version, as I am also intested in trying out jsf
[14:16:22] <o_gardiner> gromgull: What is the "scope" actually? I'm currently within a Java project, in the Java perspective
[14:16:24] <nanothief> so many choices :P
[14:16:43] <gromgull> o_gardiner: scope means where this applies
[14:16:55] <gromgull> my guess is the pydev editor messed up when you installed it and overrode the default
[14:17:03] <o_gardiner> That's a good guess
[14:17:06] <o_gardiner> ;)
[14:17:07] <gromgull> i.e. now the keyboard shortcut will ONLY work inthe pydev editor
[14:17:10] <o_gardiner> I see
[14:17:44] <rcjsuen> ~tell nanothief about compare
[14:17:45] <KOS-MOS> nanothief: Wondering what the difference between all those Eclipse packages are? See http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php
[14:17:46] <o_gardiner> Don't you think that "Alt-Shift-T, R" and "Alt-Shift-T" are two genuinely different shortcuts?
[14:18:14] <paulweb515> o_gardiner: if there's an ALT_SHIFT_T R in the keybindings, that will kill alt+shift+t
[14:18:15] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: that Toni fellow was pretty harsh with them capitals
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[14:18:59] <o_gardiner> paulweb515 Ok, that's bad
[14:19:12] <o_gardiner> I'm gonna try removing the pydev shortcuts
[14:19:36] <nanothief> rcjsuen: i saw that page previously, but thanks anyway
[14:19:51] <paulweb515> o_gardiner: you just have to delete the ALT+SHIFT+T ones, or re-assign the refactor one to something else (CTRL+6, maybe)
[14:20:01] <o_gardiner> YES
[14:20:08] <o_gardiner> Thank you guys :)
[14:20:24] <o_gardiner> removing the "ALT-Shift-T, *" shortcuts did the trick
[14:20:33] <o_gardiner> Actually, I didn't have to remove the pydev ones
[14:20:42] <o_gardiner> just the "In Windows" ones
[14:20:52] <o_gardiner> Thank you guys :)
[14:21:00] <o_gardiner> You're great :)
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[14:23:01] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Sheesh, you actually go back and review all the logs since you were last online. That's dedication....
[14:23:10] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Or some might call it obsession...
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[14:25:02] <o_gardiner> Ok, guys, back to work :) Cheers
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[14:25:15] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: well, that's how i answer questions that were around when i was offline
[14:25:34] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Yeah, if the questioner is still online I guess
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[14:28:14] <rcjsuen> obsession is probably right
[14:28:20] <rcjsuen> work/life balance must be practiced.
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[14:31:25] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Work is your university course, Life is IRC? I think maybe you need a little less life and more work ;-)
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[15:04:16] <philk__> njbartlett: AndFilter constructor is not visible
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[15:51:17] <philk__> I wonder when to use extensions and when osgi services? Any guidelines for that? I like the declerative nature of extensions
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[15:59:13] <paulweb515> philk__: are you targetting OSGi or eclipse RCP?
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[16:04:15] <MightyWolfeagle> I'm attempting to configure a new server runtime ( tomcat 5.5 ) in eclipse but am having an issue setting the Tomcat Installation Directory.  I'm tried pointing the wizard to /usr/share/tomcat5.5 but am getting an error reported back that the path is incorrect.  I'm running debian etch, tomcat5.5 and used apt to install.
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[16:10:04] <philk__> paulweb515: Developing a RCP app
[16:10:53] <philk__> paulweb515: Is there something like ServiceTracker for the Extension registry?
[16:11:12] <rcjsuen> There should be afaik.
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[16:13:27] <njbartlett> philk__: Yup it's called ExtensionTracker. Such an original name :-)
[16:17:22] <philk__> njbartlett: hehe...
[16:18:04] <philk__> njbartlett: So basically if I am developing an RCP framework I could go the extension way instead of the services?
[16:18:16] <njbartlett> philk__: IMHO it's quite hard to use. The dynamic stuff was added to the pre-existing Extensions API
[16:18:50] <njbartlett> philk__: Yeah, most RCP apps use extensions for almost everything. That's why I'm trying to promote services as an alternative. The problem is, the two models don't integrate well.
[16:19:46] <njbartlett> So, I'm trying to work out how to make them integrate better
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[16:24:19] <philk__> njbartlett: yes I experienced that dynamic behaviour is not well integrated into extensions. Once you instantiate an extensions its hard to remove it when the bundle is stopped. Works at some places but mostly its broken.
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[16:24:49] <njbartlett> philk__: Well, extensions don't care about bundle activation. They look at bundle RESOLVED state
[16:25:03] <njbartlett> But there's no way to un-resolve a bundle, short of actually uninstalling it
[16:25:06] <philk__> njbartlett: I like that you can declare extensions in the PDE and that they are lazy loaded.
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[16:25:46] <njbartlett> philk__: Yes, lazy loading is the principle advantage that extensions have over services. Although services are starting to address that, for example the concept of "delayed" services in DS
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[16:26:31] <rmh3093> what are the available int styles for expandbar... i dont see them listed in the javadoc
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[16:27:29] <philk__> njbartlett: However, for my current task, the annotated preferences, OSGi Services is the only way to go. Since your actual Object, say a Mailbox could carry its settings inside its implementation. When you use extensions, you would have to have a seperate Preferences Object that the Mailbox somehow needs to find and resolve...
[16:28:04] <pteague> bah, cancel shouldn't be the default button when downloading plugins...  none of the buttons should be...  i was working on other stuff while waiting for plugins to download & suddenly the install window popped open & immediately closed because i was in the middle of typing
[16:28:15] <paulweb515> philk__: there is the ExtensionTracker although these days we tend to just use the IRegistryChangeListener to listen for the deltas
[16:28:27] <gdiebel> So I am having problems with eclipse not exiting properly. Using Europa clean install. Using Sun JDK. Please look at debug log: http://pastebin.com/d1f7010f8
[16:28:49] <philk__> njbartlett: yes I am looking into DS myself already. But services are still hard to configure. Using the editing facilities for extensions is easier.
[16:29:40] <philk__> paulweb515: But still I would not be informed of bundle stops?
[16:29:51] <paulweb515> philk__: yeah, there's pretty good tooling around extensions
[16:30:24] <paulweb515> philk__: AFAIK it needs to be unloaded as well, not just stopped ... let me check
[16:31:51] <paulweb515> philk__: yeah, it's Bundle#uninstall() that removes stuff from the registry
[16:32:10] <paulweb515> philk__: does your RCP app really need to care about starting/stopping bundles?
[16:32:43] <philk__> paulweb515: I am sure there is a reason why it does not react to bundle start/stop cylces?
[16:33:19] <paulweb515> philk__: because the extensions needs to exist and be valid before the bundle is started (that's one of their biggest uses)
[16:33:28] <philk__> paulweb515: Don't know if I should care. But I would like to update the running instance of our RCP without the need to shut it down. And add/remove functionality on the fly
[16:33:32] <paulweb515> philk__: so instead of start/stop it's tied to install/uninstall
[16:33:52] <paulweb515> philk__: you can call uninstall on the old bundle before installing the new one
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[16:37:31] <philk__> paulweb515: ah, makes sense, right :) I understand now why its listening to uninstall
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[16:38:50] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: there might not be any
[16:39:21] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/swt/widgets/ExpandBar.html V_SCROLL? I see it here.
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[16:44:33] <secure1> how to set autoline break?
[16:44:54] <secure1> you know if a line is to long it should be virtually breaked
[16:45:22] <paulweb515> secure1: you can use CTRL+SHIFT+F to format and that will break ( by default at 80 chars, more or less)
[16:45:34] <robot_jesus> for what language ? those are usually set in the editor settings for your plugin
[16:45:47] <paulweb515> secure1: but there's no "just move to the next line as I'm typing"
[16:46:00] <robot_jesus> not untill you write it!
[16:46:42] <secure1> no I don't want it to be breakd for real, only  "virtually" if the text is to long
[16:47:07] <paulweb515> secure1: there is some kind of "line wrap" feature in StyledText, but AFAIK not in TextEditor or the Java editors
[16:47:49] <njbartlett> philk__: The reason extension registry works on RESOLVED rather than ACTIVE state is for lazy loading. Because it's declarative, you can access those declarations before the bundle is started.
[16:48:29] <njbartlett> philk__: For example, somebody can contribute a button to the toolbar. The button becomes visible as soon as the bundle is resolved. But the code behind the button doesn't get executed until somebody actually clicks the button.
[16:48:45] <njbartlett> Sorry I mean it doesn't get *loaded* until the user clicks
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[16:51:35] <philk__> njbartlett: I understand that. Thats what I like about extensions. However it seems some implementations of Extension registries in eclipse are broken and even uninstalling the bundle contributing the extension, does not remove the UI elements. Think it was a menu extension I tested it with.
[16:53:04] <njbartlett> philk__: Yeah. It's up to the consumer of the extension (ie the extension point definer) to install listeners etc for extensions being uninstalled. Most people don't bother, it seems.
[16:54:40] <secure1> but almost every editor has a feature like that
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[16:55:41] <secure1> even notepad2
[16:56:48] <rcjsuen> secure1: virtual line wrap support is not in text editors, well, unless the plug-in implements it i guess
[16:56:55] <paulweb515> secure1: huh?  I've never tried to develop java with notepad2, but if it works for you, go for it!
[16:57:24] <rcjsuen> i think Ahti's plug-in's word wrap is virtual
[16:58:36] <philk__> njbartlett: I will take extra care of that.
[16:58:57] <philk__> paulweb515: So you would not recommand using the ExtensionTracker anymore?
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[17:00:28] <rmh3093> the example picture for the expandbar widget has some really cool gradients, can someone explain how I can accomplish the same thing
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[17:00:42] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: what os are you on
[17:00:49] <rmh3093> linux
[17:00:56] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: that's a Windows thing
[17:01:01] <rmh3093> damn
[17:01:01] <rcjsuen> Windows looks like that, so it looks like that
[17:01:10] <rmh3093> .... what do u mean
[17:01:15] <rmh3093> its picking up the OS theme
[17:01:26] <rcjsuen> if you're good with swt you could probably do th esame
[17:01:29] <rcjsuen> the point is to look native
[17:01:34] <rcjsuen> and gtk+ expandbars don't have gradients
[17:01:45] <rmh3093> oh
[17:02:25] <rmh3093> what about he color. i figured out how to change the color of the expandbar item container... but i cant seem to get the color of the clickable part of the bar
[17:02:55] <rcjsuen> try the swt newsgroup
[17:03:04] <rmh3093> k
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[17:06:53] <JohnE> Hello, im developing a RCP application, its gui its in spanish.
[17:06:53] <JohnE> i was hoping to use the Language Packs but according to this bug
[17:06:53] <JohnE> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205732
[17:06:53] <JohnE> the actual translations do not work with 3.3
[17:06:53] <JohnE> any ideas on how to translate the rcp, i only need basic things like "open perspective" "save" etc.
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[17:07:30] <paulweb515> JohnE: there should be a link there to tom schindl's RCP translations for 3.3 ... no?
[17:08:11] <paulweb515> JohnE: oh sorry, that's German that he's posted
[17:08:31] <paulweb515> JohnE: did you try running the script against the 3.2 packs?
[17:08:34] <JohnE> you mean http://shinych.blogspot.com/2007/10/language-packs.html
[17:08:57] <paulweb515> JohnE: did you try running the script from the bug against the 3.2 spanish NL packs?
[17:09:00] <JohnE> no yet, im going to, but not sure how to use it.
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[17:10:17] <JohnE> paulweb515: any pointers on how to use it?
[17:10:23] <paulweb515> JohnE: from that bug, (http://publicsvn.bestsolution.at/repos/java/eclipse-language-packs/).  has more than just german packs ... it might have the spanish ones as well
[17:10:45] <paulweb515> JohnE: no, tomsontom would but he's not here right now
[17:10:46] <JohnE> i have no linux box but i can use a live one.
[17:11:07] <betty> I have a question about menuContributions in 3.3
[17:11:20] <paulweb515> betty: go for it :-)
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[17:11:28] <betty> I have an Eclipse RCP application taht I recently migrated to 3.3
[17:11:57] <JohnE>  paulweb515: thanks ill look into the repository, and see what i can find.
[17:12:07] <betty> My old perspectives used actionSets to control visibility of actions with respect to the perspective
[17:12:13] <paulweb515> JohnE: it does have jface and workbench _es.properties files
[17:13:00] <JohnE> paulweb515: sorry for being so newby about this, but how to use the properties file?
[17:13:04] <betty> I'm now writing a new perspective and I am attempting to do use only menuContribution, commands, expressions, etc ....
[17:13:12] <paulweb515> JohnE: dunno, I only do english :-)
[17:13:33] <JohnE> ;)
[17:13:45] <betty> I found a post on the newsgroup that said there is currently no support for an "activePerspective" property
[17:14:15] <paulweb515> betty: you can use the visibleWhen to tie your new menuContribution/commands to any of the variables listed in ISources
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[17:14:28] <paulweb515> betty: right, there's currently no activePerspective variable
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[17:14:47] <betty> It was suggested that you could write your own PropertyTesters to test that the active WorkbenchPart and WorkbenchWindow are in your perspective
[17:15:14] <betty> I've written two PropertyTesters but this is not working for me
[17:15:39] <paulweb515> betty: that'll get you close (since most of the time when you switch perspectives your active part changes) ... the problem with the property tester in 3.3 is that there is no guaranteed notification when the property changes, only variables
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[17:16:28] <betty> paulweb515: Well, that probably explains whey I see the evaluation only happening sometimes.
[17:16:48] <paulweb515> betty: in 3.3 the approach that will be most accurate is to simply create a context for use in the visibleWhen and use an IPerspectiveListener to activate/deactivate the context
[17:17:25] <paulweb515> betty: or create an empty actionSet that can be tied to your perspective, and treat the actionSet ID as an activeContext ID for the purposes of your visibleWhen
[17:17:52] <paulweb515> betty: the 3.3 system translates the perspectives list of visible actionSets into active contexts
[17:18:08] <betty> paulweb515: that's a lot for me to absorb ....
[17:19:09] <betty> paulweb515: I'm new to expressions; this is my first time using them
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[17:20:31] <paulweb515> betty: org.eclipse.ui.examples.contributions/plugin.xml has an example of tying a menuContribution command to an empty actionset
[17:20:37] <alx> what were the collaboration tools in eclipse that came out with europa?  I seem to have lost where the docs are for those
[17:21:23] <betty> paulweb515: I understand what a context is and the concept of activating/deactivating usin g an IPerspectiveListener.  If I understand correctly, I can specify "visibleWhen" to control visibility based on the active context?
[17:21:26] <paulweb515> You can get that plugin source from CVS dev.eclipse.org, or from the download page you got eclipse from (it's in the examples section)
[17:21:42] <paulweb515> betty: yes, based on an active context
[17:21:57] <paulweb515> betty: http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=10931
[17:22:35] <paulweb515> org.eclipse.ui.examples.contributions.globalActionSet is the ID of an empty actionSet, and you can see it used later in a visibleWhen expression (pretending to be an active context)
[17:22:57] <betty> paulweb515: I see, there is a variable "activeContexts" as well as "activeActionSets"
[17:23:33] <betty> paulweb515: Is there any advantage of using a context vs. an empty actionSet?
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[17:23:56] <paulweb515> betty: I never use the activeActionSets variable ... it supplies an array of internal objects with no API
[17:24:30] <paulweb515> betty: actionSet is the old concept, contexts are supposedly the new concept
[17:24:52] <paulweb515> betty: with contexts, though, you have to do the work yourself to activate/deactivate the context
[17:25:20] <paulweb515> betty: using an empty actionSet and the actionSet->context translation you get the actionSet activation behaviour for free
[17:25:40] <betty> paulweb515: When you said ".... and treat the actionSet ID as an activeContext ID for the purposes of your visibleWhen", I didn't really follow that
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[17:27:03] <paulweb515> betty: For example, the following visibleWhen clause that uses globalActionSet ...
[17:27:13] <paulweb515> it's just checking the activeContexts
[17:27:34] <paulweb515> Gotta run, I'll be back later
[17:27:49] <betty> paulweb515: Thanks for your help.
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[17:45:59] <betty> paulweb515: Thanks for the example.  I'm going through that now and it's very helpful (and simple).
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[17:55:50] <LordMetroid> What do I do with .dll files?
[17:56:05] <LordMetroid> like jogl.dll and so on?
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[17:59:45] <paulweb515> LordMetroid: when running within eclipse or when creating plugins?
[18:00:05] <LordMetroid> Any situation I suppose
[18:00:18] <paulweb515> LordMetroid: they're different
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[18:00:34] <LordMetroid> I imported the jar files as a Refernenced library but I still have 4 .dll files I don't know what to do with
[18:00:47] <paulweb515> LordMetroid: when running a java app from within eclipse, you need to tell the project build path where to find the DLLs so that the launcher can generate the correct java.library.path
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[18:01:13] <LordMetroid> Okay, where do I do that?
[18:01:16] <paulweb515> LordMetroid: you should be able to expand the .jar file in the build path and add "native code location" or something like that
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[18:02:20] <LordMetroid> There is a "Native library" in the jogl.jar properties
[18:02:45] <LordMetroid> Asking for a location path, so I suppose that is it...
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[18:26:28] <JohnE> Hello, im using a form inside a editor using mainForm = toolkit.createForm(container);
[18:26:29] <JohnE> now i want to use the IMessageManager api available in 3.3, but it seems that i need to use ImanagedForm and get the form from and use IFormPart, im kind of confused, any pointers to documentation on this, any idea how to beeing able to use the IMessageManager.? thanks
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[18:35:32] <rcjsuen> JohnE: if you just create an arbitrary Form I'm not sure if there are thoes aditions
[18:36:25] <JohnE> rcjsuen: thanks, so... how to create a non ordinary form?
[18:36:43] <rcjsuen> ~forms
[18:36:43] <KOS-MOS> Want to learn how to use Eclipse Forms? Take a look at these two articles - http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Forms/article.html - http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Forms33/index.html
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[18:36:50] <rcjsuen> I might be wrong, but anyway
[18:36:55] <rcjsuen> they explain it in the second article
[18:37:29] <JohnE> i have readed it , may be im missing. thanks ill read it again.
[18:37:47] <rcjsuen> un-possible
[18:39:22] <rcjsuen> For IManagedForms you need a FormPage I think.
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[18:44:46] <pteague> does DTP work with mysql out of the box or do i need to get the mysql driver?  or is it more complicated to set up?
[18:45:28] <JohnE> rcjsuen: whats the difference from a FormPage and a plain form?
[18:45:49] <rcjsuen> ~api FormPage
[18:45:50] <KOS-MOS> org.eclipse.ui.forms.editor.FormPage - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/ui/forms/editor/FormPage.html
[18:45:59] <JohnE> form pages must use a multi-page editors
[18:46:00] <JohnE> ?
[18:47:04] <rcjsuen> I think that's the idea
[18:47:08] <rcjsuen> of course, you can just have one page
[18:47:13] <rcjsuen> no one's going to stop you from just having one page
[18:47:30] <rcjsuen> you could always look at the source code and see what's so special about a ManagedForm
[18:47:34] <JohnE> ;) i don think so ;)
[18:47:39] <JohnE> thanks rcjsuen
[18:47:55] <JohnE> i ll get to coding again.
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[18:50:56] <Pluxxx> how do I generate javadocs? I can't seem to find it :S
[18:51:01] <rcjsuen> Project >
[18:51:57] <rcjsuen> well, this assumes you're in the Java perspective
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[18:53:02] <Pluxxx> well, I still cant find it, so I guess Im not ?
[18:53:19] <Pluxxx> ahh
[18:53:20] <Pluxxx> there
[18:53:23] <Pluxxx> lovely :P
[18:53:24] <Pluxxx> thx
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[19:07:56] <horstius> hi... i have some problems with lists, SWT.MULTI and SWT.VSCROLL in swt-gtk.. are there some bugs? the scrollbars don't appear, and the height of the list is about 3 pixels...
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[19:09:22] <krbarnes> horstius: computeSize returns 3 pixels? Are there any items in the list?
[19:09:34] <horstius> wait i'll check
[19:09:46] <philk__> can't get my ManagedForm to work in FieldEditorPreferencePage subclass
[19:09:53] <philk__> ~pastebin
[19:09:53] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[19:10:34] <rcjsuen> horstius: An isolated test case would be helpful, pastebining your code would as well.
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[19:14:50] <horstius> http://pastebin.ca/884959
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[19:18:16] <horstius> http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1430/screenshotfa6.png <- screenshot
[19:18:53] <horstius> getsize() after list is populated: Point {214, 4}
[19:19:07] <krbarnes> horstius: so are there items in the list? Maybe you want GridData.FILL_BOTH?
[19:20:02] <krbarnes> horstius: why do suspect VSCROLL and MULTI are the problem? Looks like a layout issue to me.
[19:20:39] <horstius> sorry... i saw an older bug report which pointed to this issue
[19:20:59] <horstius> thanks
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[19:32:51] <atpa8a> hello
[19:33:43] <atpa8a> websphere adapter cannot start the server... doesn't even allocate console
[19:33:49] <atpa8a> any ideas?
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[19:41:19] <mosipov> hi folgs
[19:41:22] <mosipov> folks
[19:41:33] <mosipov> I do have a problem with Mylyn an the trac connector
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[19:47:33] <mosipov> someone able to help me?
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[20:21:33] <Zerone> ello :)
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[20:26:41] <merdaccia> hi folks. if i want to run a local update site on my network (to distribute plugin fragments), is there an alternative to running a web server? can i just chuck site.xml and the plugins in some network share?
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[20:31:21] <marismo> merdaccia: you can have local update sites and just use a file path to access them
[20:38:05] <d_a_carver> pteague: you need to get the appropriate jdbc driver for mysql and then setup the entry in DTP.
[20:39:03] <pteague> cool... i'm still trying to figure out just what exactly dtp is...  just db admin via eclipse or is there more to it?
[20:39:06] <paulweb515> merdaccia: but if you want to push new updates out, you'll have to provide an update policy file of some kind
[20:39:35] <paulweb515> pteague: I'm not so sure myself, but http://www.eclipse.org/datatools/
[20:39:40] <d_a_carver> pteague: well it has a database explorer, as well as a SQL execution/editor.
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[20:40:56] <d_a_carver> I've thought about seeing if I could leverage the DTP api to provide a front end for exploring XML Databases like eXist, but it's been a lower priority.
[20:41:03] <merdaccia> thanks marismo
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[20:51:14] <LordMetroid> I can't create nested packets...
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[20:53:00] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[20:53:07] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i disable the wordwrapping?
[20:53:11] <MetaMorfoziS> it's pretty annoying
[20:53:23] <MetaMorfoziS> how that setting named?
[20:53:38] <LordMetroid> I never noticed any word-wrappinh
[20:53:45] <MetaMorfoziS> i can'T found it, once iirc i saw somehing max character-length for lines, but i can't find it again
[20:53:55] <MetaMorfoziS> i have a long if statement
[20:54:00] <MetaMorfoziS> and it wraps it to some more lines
[20:54:06] <MetaMorfoziS> can be it's the indenter, not the wordwrapping
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[20:54:51] <LordMetroid> Sound strange
[20:55:32] <betty> I have a RCP application that adds a menu and GroupMarker in the ActionBarAdvisor.  Does anyone know if a menuContributions can reference this GroupMarker in the locationURI?
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[21:00:11] <betty> I have an action contribution that used to add itself to my RCP appliacation with menuBar="view/viewgroup1".  What is the equivalent locationURI?  I thought is should be locationURI="menu:view?after=viewgrou1", but that doesn't seem to work.
[21:01:04] <betty> That should say "menu:view?after=viewgroup1"
[21:01:23] <betty> I wish my problem was a simple typo.
[21:01:55] <paulweb515> betty: yes, menu contributions should be able to refer to group markers added by your action bar advisor
[21:02:13] <paulweb515> betty: but menu contributions can't see any of the legacy extensions (actionSets, etc)
[21:02:35] <paulweb515> betty: is your view/viewgroup1 in the main menu?
[21:03:50] <betty> paulweb515: It appears on the main menu and is added by an ActionBarAdvisor.
[21:04:59] <paulweb515> right, so that should be menu:view?after=viewgroup1 ... just like when I want to add to the File menu in eclipse I use menu:file?after=additions
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[21:06:34] <betty> paulweb515:  That's what I am trying.  Can you think of any reason that it wouldn't show up?  I don't see any error messages in my console.
[21:06:46] <paulweb515> ~pastebin
[21:06:47] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[21:07:11] <paulweb515> betty: please pastebin the little snippet of code from your actionBaradvisor that adds the view menu and group
[21:08:41] <paulweb515> betty: It should simply look like: MenuManager menu = new MenuManager("&File","file"); menuBar.add(menu); menu.add(new GroupMarker(IWorkbenchActionConstants.MB_ADDITIONS));
[21:09:01] <paulweb515> well, "viewgroup1" instead of IWorkbenchActionConstants.MB_ADDITIONS
[21:10:12] <paulweb515> betty: as long as that code is being called from fillMenuBar(*) then it should work fine.  You don't call setRemoveAllWhenShown(true) do you?
[21:10:49] <paulweb515> and on that note, gotta run
[21:10:54] <paulweb515> I'll be around tomorrow, though
[21:11:44] <betty> paulweb515:  Had trouble connecting to pastbin.
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[21:14:37] <rcjsuen> LordMetroid: Impossible
[21:14:50] <rcjsuen> LordMetroid: just make a new class, type in the package name, check the osurce folder
[21:14:53] <rcjsuen> all should be well
[21:15:13] <rcjsuen> betty: all 3?
[21:15:14] <LordMetroid> I created a folder in the packet... seems to have achieved the wanted result
[21:15:27] <rcjsuen> atpa8a: specifying the plug-in in question would help
[21:19:34] <rcjsuen> http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/babel-dev/msg00174.html
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[21:23:16] <Zerone> ello rcjsuen :)
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[21:25:05] <atpa8a> rcjsuen: it's whateer comes with WTP i guess
[21:25:45] <atpa8a> websphere 6.0
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[21:28:53] <nitind> atpa8a: The adapter to control it or the server itself?  You need to make sure the versions match.
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[21:32:04] <atpa8a> the server is 6.0 - and i was able to start a different profile (not default too)
[21:32:10] <atpa8a> and the adapter is 6.0
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[21:39:56] <rcjsuen> Zerone: Hi
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[21:42:32] <nitind> d_a_carver: I'm doing some things to the preference pages, do you want me to apply the same changes to xsl.ui?
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[21:45:55] <vIkSiT> hello all
[21:46:20] <vIkSiT> could anyone point me to a doc/resource which talks about how I can generate a standalone application from an eclipse project?
[21:46:46] <vIkSiT> Soemthing I could run from the command line as, say "java mypackage.myclass arg1 arg2"
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[21:47:23] <vIkSiT> (maybe integration with ant? I have a bunch of external libs which eclipse handles quite well, but i'm unable to get running manually)
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[21:58:10] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: you can use Run>External Tools to run your own ant scripts
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[21:58:27] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: you can also use File>Export...>JAR Archive to export your project+resources to a jar file to run
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[21:59:01] <vIkSiT> paulweb515, thanks for the response - in the mean time, i figured out how to do that JAR export already.. but, the issue I'm stuck with is - even though my classpath contains the dir which has a required class, I end up with this error message ..
[21:59:16] <vIkSiT> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: gate/util/GateException
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[21:59:33] <vIkSiT> (this is when i do a java -jar myclass.jar, which i exported from eclipse)
[21:59:52] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: if you use java -jar you need to define your classpath in your jar MANIFEST.MF file
[22:00:21] <vIkSiT> oh, which has to be done inside of eclipse? or can i use a jar cfe to do so?
[22:00:53] <vIkSiT> paulweb515, hmm, you mention "IF I use java -jar" - is there another way to run it then?
[22:01:39] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: you have to write your own manifest (or auto-gen one)
[22:01:59] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT:  javabot: The class path tells Java or the compiler in which jar files and folders to look for classes. Use the -cp/-classpath run-time options to specify the class path. Also see http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/solaris/classpath.html and http://mindprod.com/jgloss/classpath.html#ANACHRONISM
[22:02:04] <vIkSiT> ah, i asked eclipse to autogen that.. i figured it would do so?
[22:02:38] <vIkSiT> (specify the correct classpath in the manifest.mf file automatically, since i've already added all the relevant class dirs to eclipse when i made the project)
[22:02:51] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: right, but you need to either include gate/util/GateException.class in your jar or add the jar that does included it to the ClassPath: header in the MANIFEST.MF
[22:03:37] <vIkSiT> paulweb515, could you please explain how i'd do your first suggestion?
[22:03:54] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: read the links I posted so you can understand classpaths
[22:04:49] <rcjsuen> good ol' javabot
[22:05:21] <vIkSiT> paulweb515, ah, i already have read both of them.. "For .class files in a named package, the class path ends with the directory that contains the "root" package (the first package in the full package name)."
[22:06:11] <vIkSiT> i meant - do i need to explicitly add the path again somewher before i generate the JAR?
[22:06:15] <vIkSiT> somewhere*
[22:06:47] <rcjsuen> Well, if the jar doesn't include the class files, then you're going to tell the JVM about it if it's not on your global classpath.
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[22:08:21] <vIkSiT> hmm this is interesting, eclipse just generates a plain manifest file, no paths at all
[22:08:22] <vIkSiT> weird
[22:12:28] <vIkSiT> hmm. So what i did was 1) Asked eclipse to generate a manifest.mf file, and 2) edit that file with Class-Path: /home/me/gate/lib:/home/me/gate/bin (which has all possible JARs)
[22:12:40] <vIkSiT> 3) Export the project into Jar again, this time using the manifest.mf file
[22:13:08] <vIkSiT> I get a "Resource is out of sync" error!
[22:13:56] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: amongst other things, you can point to jar files or directories with .class files ... it won't read .jar files from directory entries
[22:14:11] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: if you edit the manifest outside of eclipse,you'd have to do a refresh
[22:14:39] <vIkSiT> oh, so if i add the paths to the jars, the jars won't be read? Because there must be atleast 50 JARs in there..
[22:14:55] <vIkSiT> I guess I should specify the class dirs then
[22:15:07] <paulweb515_> vIkSiT: if that's what it takes to run your program (and AFAIK it won't take absolute paths either)
[22:15:20] <vIkSiT> erk.
[22:15:23] <paulweb515_> well, gotta run, cleaning to do
[22:15:28] <vIkSiT> thanks for the help :)
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[22:24:19] <danbeck> JESUS CHRIST, that's it.  I've had it with this piece of shit.  I just tried saving a file and got a message that it was waiting on a background process.  WTF?  What in the name of GOD would be more important that saving data?
[22:24:45] <rcjsuen> i'm guessing it's building
[22:24:59] <danbeck> I keep trying, I keep trying.  I have no decent alternative on the Mac, but I get ass raped over and over again.  Some builder is fucking me, some refresh is happening, the JVM runs out of memory.
[22:25:08] <rcjsuen> danbeck: if you've had enough, well, good luck with your future endeavours using an alternate tool
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[22:26:46] <danbeck> Sorry, I just wanted to vent a little.  I'm so pissed off I can't see straight.  I just don't get why it's so f'ing hard to build an IDE on the mac.
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[22:43:07] <njbartlett> Nice attitude
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[22:46:09] <atpa8a> Plug-in "org.apache.xml.resolver" version "1.1.0.v200705310020" referenced by this feature is missing.
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[22:46:18] <atpa8a> which plugin is that?
[22:46:48] <zx|work> org.apache.xml.resolver?
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[22:47:42] <atpa8a> i mean :P how can i find it in updater
[22:47:59] <zx|work> Which update site are you using?
[22:48:20] <atpa8a> gatech
[22:48:36] <zx|work> I mean, is it like the Europa update site or some other feature? What are you trying to get?
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[22:49:01] <atpa8a> yes
[22:49:09] <atpa8a> Europa Update Site
[22:49:16] <zx|work> atpa8a: so there's an issue with Update UI... can you expand the other update sites
[22:49:18] <atpa8a> Europa Discovery i think
[22:49:24] <zx|work> atpa8a: and then hit "Select Required" button
[22:49:58] <atpa8a> zx: ok... now what?
[22:50:10] <zx|work> atpa8a: did it fix the problem :)?
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[22:51:44] <marismo> zx|work: is he a plant just so you can prove that the um bug should be fixed for 3.3.2? :)
[22:51:47] <atpa8a> zx|work: what happened was that i installed WTP but then when i want to 'Manage Configurations' i saw that there's this xnl.resolver is missing
[22:51:57] <zx|work> marismo: lmao
[22:51:58] <atpa8a> couple of other plugins too
[22:52:05] <atpa8a> xml.wsdl
[22:52:08] <atpa8a> and some other
[22:52:32] <zx|work> atpa8a: hrmm... how did you install WTP? did you unzip it into your Eclipse or use Update Manager?
[22:52:44] <atpa8a> zx|work: select required dosn't seem to do anything (the WTP is already installed, is that why?)
[22:52:55] <atpa8a> zx|work: Update Manager
[22:53:42] <zx|work> atpa8a: just for shits and giggles, can you just close eclipse and start it with -clean? ie., ./eclipse -clean
[22:53:48] <zx|work> atpa8a: and open that manage configuration dialog
[22:54:26] <atpa8a> ok
[22:54:32] <atpa8a> might be a good idea
[22:54:33] <zx|work> any improvement :D?
[22:54:41] <atpa8a> i forgot to do that!
[22:54:58] <zx|work> well, you shouldn't have to :P
[22:55:28] <atpa8a> i usually just stick it on the command line :P
[22:56:18] <Zerone> n8 *
[22:56:30] <zx|work> peace ;)
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[23:14:52] <d_a_carver> nitind: what changes are you doing?
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[23:24:26] <Jimbob2k> Hey.
[23:25:22] <Jimbob2k> I've installed eclipse 20071213-1700 on gentoo linux, and it works fine for root user,
[23:26:27] <Jimbob2k> but when I launch it from a user account with -console, I get java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: spawner (Not found in java.library.path)
[23:26:59] <Jimbob2k> and then various features don't work. anyone got any pointers on how I can debug this?
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[23:43:13] <wyvern`> Jimbob2k, i gave up installing eclipse through portage and I just downloaded the linux tarball from eclipse.org and put the eclipse dir in ~/bin/
[23:43:48] <vIkSiT> hmm, does anyone know how i can point an eclipse project to a number of jar files in a dir?
[23:44:03] <vIkSiT> such that, when i export the project as a custom jar - all the class files are part of th new jar?
[23:44:08] <Jimbob2k> wyvern: yeah, I did too. I installed it in /opt as root (along with the IBM jdk), created a dev group, chgrp'd it to that, set the permissions and added the user to that group.
[23:45:02] <rcjsuen> Jimbob2k: i didn't bother with that
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[23:45:31] <[twisti]> hi
[23:45:36] <[twisti]> is there a way to mark a package as "dont compile this/ignore this" in eclipse ?
[23:45:41] <[twisti]> i have some code that i would like to archive for a while, but i dont want to fix every error in it just so it doesnt pollute the error view
[23:45:50] <[twisti]> i tried making a second source folder, that still gets compiled
[23:45:58] <[twisti]> and it wont let me move the code to a regular folder
[23:46:09] <wyvern`> hm. well, runs fine for me with sun jdk 1.6.
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[23:47:29] <hansi> twisti, try right clicking on a packge and select "build path > exclude", does that work?
[23:47:52] <[twisti]> awesome, thank you
[23:48:18] <[twisti]> thats exactly what i was looking for
[23:48:24] <hansi> :)
[23:48:25] <[twisti]> only i looked under properties :)
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[23:53:30] <Jimbob2k> In the callstack, after "at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke" I'm getting "at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java"...
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[23:53:48] <Jimbob2k> so does that mean it's using the wrong jdk there?
[23:54:19] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:54:40] <atpa8a> how can i make websphere server to output into console?
[23:55:21] <hansi> jimbo, are you sure you're calling the function with the right parameters? i don't think the reflections api changed too much recently...
[23:55:27] <atpa8a> rcjsuen: if you're interested... there seem to be some limitations on WAS profile handling in hte adapter
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[23:58:33] <Jimbob2k> hansi : this happens when launching eclipse.
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[23:59:09] <hansi> oh, haha.... my bad, sorry... dunno then :(

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