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[01:06:12] <rmh3093> is there anyone familiar with SWT in here, i am having trouble using selection events
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[01:09:53] <paulweb515_> rmh3093: what is issuing the selection events?  Did you use SelectionListener or Listener with SWT.Selection?
[01:11:16] <rmh3093> well my issue is I cant figure out how to pass arguments into the handler function
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[01:12:20] <rmh3093> ive be using addSelectionListener(new SelectionAdapter() { ....
[01:13:02] <rmh3093> but i need some variables in widgetSelected
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[01:21:09] <hoochimaru> so i've programmed in java before, and used a different compiler, now i'm trying to import some of my old programs, and i can't seem to figure out how to get it to compile can anyone help me out here?
[01:21:35] <hoochimaru> i'm just an eclipse noob
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[01:35:21] <blahdeblah> Printing is disabled in my Eclipse 3.2 on Linux AMD64.  What do i need to do to enable it?
[01:37:13] <njbartlett> blahdeblah: Upgrade to Eclipse 3.3
[01:37:29] <blahdeblah> Been down that road - don't want to go there again.
[01:37:36] <blahdeblah> 3.3 is significantly less stable for me
[01:37:36] <njbartlett> blahdeblah: Fair enough
[01:37:50] <blahdeblah> Any other suggestions?  :-)
[01:38:14] <njbartlett> Nope. SWT didn't support printing with Gtk before 3.3
[01:38:28] <njbartlett> You could try 3.4M4
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[01:39:08] <blahdeblah> Yeah - you mentioned that yesterday.  For now, i'll just use Firefox to print.  It's less disruptive than trying to upgrade again.
[01:39:40] <njbartlett> Ah was that you? Sorry to be repetitive
[01:42:57] <blahdeblah> np
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[01:46:15] <bobbytech3> If I want maven and eclipse integration, as it stands now, what is the better plugin: q4e / m2e ?
[01:46:43] <bobbytech3> I've read that q4e is sort of the incubator for the offical eclipse support
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[01:53:29] <Zerone> n8 *
[01:55:19] <njbartlett> Ooh the EclipseCon proposal system has opened for BOFs. Anybody else interested in a Scala BOF?
[01:57:59] <bobbytech3> what is a BOF? I've always wondered what that stood for
[01:58:12] <tromey> birds of a feather
[01:58:18] <bobbytech3> really?
[01:58:21] <tromey> yes
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[01:58:21] <bobbytech3> that's pretty gay
[01:58:38] <bobbytech3> gay = happy
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[01:59:50] <joeamined> hi
[02:00:18] <joeamined> i'm having a stack overflow error when i try to insert a new row in a table via the data explorer (using eclipse europa)
[02:02:00] <joeamined> it seems to e linked to JFace
[02:02:47] <mmr> hmm... that is interesting
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[02:03:38] <mmr> gay = happy, happy = gay... dang, i guess i will never be happy...
[02:03:41] * mmr commit suicide
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[02:05:29] * mmr rollbacks suicide (everybody knows life is in a XA tx)
[02:06:05] <bobbytech3> nice save mmr
[02:06:18] <bobbytech3> or lack thereof
[02:06:31] <mmr> ty
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[02:08:29] <njbartlett> mmr: You should be using Haskell. Then you wouldn't be able to perform IO in a memory transaction :-)
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[02:09:27] <joeamined> none can help for my problem ?
[02:09:33] <joeamined> is it a known bug ?
[02:09:38] <mmr> njbartlett: hows that?
[02:10:01] <mmr> njbartlett: what use has a transaction that cant have IO done?!?
[02:10:18] <njbartlett> mmr: Ever heard of Software Transactional Memory (STM)?
[02:10:59] <bobbytech3> yeah, I heard that scales well
[02:11:48] <bobbytech3> it's also called an continuation... which hasn't really caught on
[02:11:56] <njbartlett> bobbytech3: Well the best thing about it is that it composes well, whereas lock-based concurrency doesn't compose at all
[02:12:08] <njbartlett> bobbytech3: Um no, continuations are something different
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[02:12:34] <bobbytech3> you can undo with a continuation... thus providing transactional semantics
[02:12:43] <bobbytech3> at least atomicity
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[02:13:22] <mmr> njbartlett: never heard of this name
[02:13:33] <mmr> njbartlett: heard of continuations, yes, but never really dig on it
[02:13:34] <njbartlett> Meh, still not exactly what I'm talking about. Anyway this is getting off topic. Take a look at this video of Simon Peyton Jones's keynote from OSCON 2007: http://www.blip.tv/file/317758/
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[02:14:34] <nitind> joeamined: It's possible that no one in the channel has encountered it.  Did you check Bugzilla?
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[02:15:10] <joeamined> ok i'll check
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[02:33:40] <bobbytech3> transactional memory is cool
[02:33:46] <bobbytech3> i like it
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[02:37:47] <njbartlett> bobbytech3: Hehe, did you watch the video?
[02:38:22] <bobbytech3> yes
[02:38:27] <bobbytech3> it was fun
[02:38:38] <bobbytech3> that guy is my new best friend
[02:38:41] <njbartlett> Yeah. SPJ is a great speaker
[02:38:55] <njbartlett> Here's the paper: http://research.microsoft.com/~simonpj/papers/stm/stm.pdf
[02:40:08] <bobbytech3> i don't really get to write fun stuff with all the locking and such...
[02:40:23] <bobbytech3> reminds me of the matrix multiplication days
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[02:43:03] <njbartlett> bobbytech3: Take a look at this video as well... I recorded it myself :-)
[02:43:06] <njbartlett> bobbytech3: http://www.londonhug.net/2007/09/25/nested-data-parallelism-video-returns/
[02:43:58] <d_a_carver> nitind: just curious has amy made much progress with the menuing stuff I worked on?
[02:45:15] <nitind> d_a_carver: Not sure, the build snafus have been diverting my attention.
[02:52:06] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah: Less stable you say? You were downloading Eclipse Classic, correct?
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[03:03:08] <nitind> Could it be the 64-bit JRE?
[03:05:03] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[03:05:49] <d_a_carver> which problem are we tackling now?
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[03:06:54] <nitind> 3.2 didn't even have printing on Linux, I thought.  You had to use 3.3.
[03:08:00] <rcjsuen> yeah, you have to
[03:08:05] <rcjsuen> hence blahdeblah is using Firefox
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[03:10:13] <d_a_carver> for me running with a sun java 1.6 runtime just makes eclipse go wackey.
[03:11:07] * nitind blinks, What does Firefox have to do with it?
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[03:12:58] <d_a_carver> he didn't say what he was trying to print...maybe web pages from the browser
[03:13:06] <d_a_carver> built into eclipse?
[03:15:18] <rcjsuen> nitind: it doesn't, i guess just using Fox to open .java files
[03:16:10] <nitind> Hmm.
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[03:23:54] <d_a_carver> brb
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[03:49:33] <blahdeblah> rcjsuen, nitind, d_a_carver: I was just trying to print a .java file. I run Java 1.6 64-bit JVM.  The stability problems are very strange - even things like autocompletion don't work; the menu disappears before you can get the mouse to it.
[03:49:53] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah: What did you download? What was the name of the tarball?
[03:50:01] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah: Did you download Eclipse Classic?
[03:50:05] * blahdeblah digs through his IRC history
[03:50:08] <rcjsuen> Did you try it on an empty workspace?
[03:50:09] <blahdeblah> No, it was JDT
[03:50:12] <d_a_carver> blahdeblah: Have you tried specifying a 1.5 JDK instead, I've had all sorts of stabiity problems on a Sun 1.6 jdk.
[03:50:34] <blahdeblah> d_a_carver: Actually, i think the 1.6 JVM is only for my app - i think Eclipse runs on 1.5
[03:50:39] <rcjsuen> You downloaded the JDT binary?
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[03:50:59] <rcjsuen> eclipse-JDT-3.3.1.1.zip?
[03:51:08] <rcjsuen> Well, that assumes you have a base platfor.m
[03:51:12] <d_a_carver> blahdeblah: you can check to see what runtime eclipse is actually using?
[03:51:54] <blahdeblah> rcjsuen: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/technology/epp/downloads/release/20071103/eclipse-java-europa-fall2-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz
[03:52:13] <rcjsuen> nitind, d_a_carver: I'm guessing Mylyn is the autocompletion problem.
[03:52:22] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah: Thank you for the link.
[03:52:47] <blahdeblah> rcjsuen: Didn't you talk me through disabling Mylyn previously?
[03:52:54] <blahdeblah> That helped, but not enough.
[03:53:11] <blahdeblah> d_a_carver: My system default JVM is /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre
[03:53:18] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah: I think I did, but still, using Eclipse Classic is the safest route.
[03:53:31] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: could be...I had mylyn hose my jdt indexes once, really messes up project explorer and package explorer when that happesn.
[03:53:34] <rcjsuen> And if _Eclipse Classic_ is not stable, we want to know about it.
[03:53:35] <blahdeblah> I still don't understand the difference
[03:53:40] <rcjsuen> ~compare
[03:53:40] <KOS-MOS> Wondering what the difference between all those Eclipse packages are? See http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php
[03:53:44] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah: Please see link^
[03:53:57] <blahdeblah> I'm sure i've read that already and i came away just as confused.
[03:54:07] <d_a_carver> blahdeblah: can you do in eclipse. Windows->About->Configuration Details, that will tell you exactly what eclipse is using, it may not be using the default.
[03:54:08] <blahdeblah> I'm only a novice with Eclipse still
[03:54:11] <rcjsuen> According to the table
[03:54:15] <blahdeblah> d_a_carver: That's where i got it
[03:54:16] <rcjsuen> if there's a checkbox, it's included
[03:54:17] <rcjsuen> if not, it isn't
[03:54:23] <rcjsuen> if you ignore double checkmarks
[03:54:24] <rcjsuen> and such things
[03:54:28] <rcjsuen> and just chick yes/no
[03:54:33] <rcjsuen> and just think yes/no
[03:54:33] <d_a_carver> blahdeblah: okay, that eliminates Java 1.6 as the problem. :)
[03:54:36] <rcjsuen> it's pretty straightforward
[03:54:49] <nitind> Hmm, should have a hover tooltip of something explaining what some of those things are.
[03:54:52] <blahdeblah> rcjsuen: OK - i'll try the classic one.
[03:55:11] <rcjsuen> nitind: them checkmarks instead of that legend/
[03:55:18] <blahdeblah> d_a_carver: Not entirely - my application depends on 1.6
[03:55:21] <rcjsuen> double checkmarks is kinda stupid imo
[03:55:29] <rcjsuen> and using checkmark colouring...is also kinda stupid imo
[03:55:36] <blahdeblah> rcjsuen: It sure is confusing to me
[03:55:42] <rcjsuen> like, wtf is "Partially"
[03:55:55] <nitind> I'd guess just the XML parts.
[03:55:58] <nitind> I *guess*.
[03:56:09] <d_a_carver> blhadeblah: yeah, but I think you can set a 1.6 target even though eclipse itself runs 1.5, the internal compiler takes care of compiling the right byte codes (i'm assuming).
[03:56:23] <rcjsuen> eclipse-SDK-3.3.1.1-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz
[03:56:48] <blahdeblah> d_a_carver: It certainly seems to under 3.2.2 :-)
[03:56:55] <blahdeblah> rcjsuen: Coming down now
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[03:58:41] <blahdeblah> rcjsuen: When i talked to you about Mylyn, that was my 2nd try.  When i did that i tried to minimise the number of plugins (subclipse only), and i installed it to a different directory instead of in the Eclipse install dir.  I was rather unhappy with the stability on both occasions.
[03:59:33] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah: I use Integration builds (which are kinda like weekly builds) and they're rather stable. I run Gentoo x86
[03:59:52] <blahdeblah> on 3.3 or 3.4?
[04:00:09] <blahdeblah> I'm using Debian etch amd64
[04:00:21] <rcjsuen> blahdeblah: well, 3.4 builds
[04:00:29] <rcjsuen> sure i used 3.3 too when it was out
[04:00:36] <rcjsuen> but not for long since i keep up with the development
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[04:12:24] <Sycofant> I'm getting a lot of stack errors 'Processing Dirty Regions'
[04:12:27] <Sycofant> Any pointers?
[04:12:40] <Sycofant> I've only just installed Eclipse and the PHP IDE
[04:13:19] <nitind> Check the built in Update Manager for updates.
[04:15:00] <rcjsuen> nitind: Heard of that bug? I haven't.
[04:15:07] <rcjsuen> Sounds like one I need to commit to memory.
[04:15:47] <nitind> rcjsuen: I've seen it a lot, but not on the latest release.  It comes from the as-you-type error checking controllable on the Structured Text Editors preference page, so you can disable it if needed.
[04:16:00] <rcjsuen> ah
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[04:17:01] <Sycofant> It's happening in the PHP IDE with a CakePHP project, so I imagine it's tracking completion info for a lot of stuff.
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[04:23:19] <Sycofant> Tragically, the update manager is being entirely unsuccessful.
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[04:34:33] <Sycofantic> Right, I can't update Eclipse for some reason. It just won't connect to any of the servers.
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[04:43:37] <Sycofantic> I am bordering on tearing my hair out now.
[04:45:58] <Sycofantic> So I disabled the as you type error checking, now my error is "Building workspace"
[04:46:09] <nitind> Which JRE are you using?
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[04:57:28] <Sycofant> nitind: It's Eclipse 3.3.1.1
[04:57:36] <Sycofant> Checking JRE version
[04:58:13] <Sycofant> 1.6.0
[04:58:22] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: how did you check
[04:58:36] <Sycofant> 'About' in the control panel
[04:58:57] <rcjsuen> Control Panel? You mean in Windows?
[04:59:28] <Sycofant> Yup
[04:59:47] <rcjsuen> ~JRE
[04:59:48] <rcjsuen> ~jre
[04:59:49] <KOS-MOS> Please verify your Java runtime environment - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#How_do_I_find_out_which_Java_runtime_environment_is_being_used_to_run_my_Eclipse.3F
[05:00:41] <Sycofant> java.runtime.version=1.6.0_03-b05
[05:01:31] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: Did you try the PDT all-in-one?
[05:02:20] <Sycofant> That is what I installed I blieve
[05:03:27] <Sycofant> Yeah, I used the 1.0.2 Release of that
[05:03:38] <Sycofant> I have since installed the Aptana standalone also
[05:03:47] <Sycofant> Sorry the Aptana Eclipse module
[05:04:20] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: Well, time to file a bug to Aptana then.
[05:04:32] <rcjsuen> or you can try #aptana
[05:04:47] <Sycofant> How would I go abour removing the Aptana stuff to elimate that factor?
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[05:08:39] <Sycofant> ...I just ripped out all the Aptana stuff from plugins - so far no overflows.
[05:09:03] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: *shrugs* If you feel it's solved, you should stil lfile a bug.
[05:11:00] <Sycofant> I will look into it a bit more tomorrow I think.
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[08:09:32] <philk_> hi! Whats the difference between "enabledWhen" and "activeWhen" for command handlers?
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[08:34:25] <emantos> hi guys ... does anybody know of a good eclipse tutorial on how to use the dynamic variables extension point?
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[09:42:34] <durre> I want to create my own eclipse wizard. any ideas where to start (tutorials)?
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[09:47:01] <angelete> hi
[09:47:12] <angelete> anybody alive?
[09:47:38] <durre> barely
[09:47:48] <angelete> i'm using eclipse for developing in php
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[09:48:09] <angelete> i've downloaded and installed the php support for it
[09:48:38] <angelete> but when i open an .html file with the php editor, it doesn't show the highlight syntax
[09:49:36] <angelete> i've changed preferences in order to associate .html files with php content type and php source file
[09:49:42] <angelete> what i'm doing wrong?
[09:49:43] <durre> never used php but I'm guessing you can find some property in window->preference
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[09:52:54] <ngnp> angelete: is php highlight working? I do a restart eclipse after a new file association :-/
[09:56:06] <ngnp> I just (re)downloader eclipse, add update site PDT and while installing i get "Unable to complete action for feature "PDT Feature" due to errors.  The File "/tmp/...cut.../eclipse40410.tmp" is not a valid JAR file. [error in opening zip file]
[09:56:07] <ngnp> What to do????
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[09:57:23] <angelete> ngnp: i've reloaded eclipse but php highlight is not working
[09:58:07] <ngnp> angelete: what eclipse version did you downloaded ... my php installation is crap :-/
[09:58:32] <angelete> i have 3.3.1.1
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[09:59:33] <angelete> PDT Core Plug-in 1.0.1.v20071210
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[10:02:28] <ngnp> hmmm .... my error is refering to core_1.0.2.v20080102 ... so i should get an older version.
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[10:16:23] <ngnp> my problem seems to be related to 'packaging eclipse at mirror site' :-( ... so i need another PDT download site? (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=203794)
[10:16:23] <ngnp> The problem is ages old and still not fixed? I don't understand?
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[10:25:37] <MrStein> Is there a way to manully configure additional syntax coloring (in editor) ? I nned it for assembler files. I use eclipse 3.2.2
[10:25:46] <MrStein> (manu_a_lly)
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[10:29:15] <ngnp> did anyone replied ... my gnome desktop crashed :-/
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[11:17:12] <ngnp> angelete: fwiw i added a Preferences/General/Content Types | Text/PHP Content Type | Add *.module and highlight is working :-)
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[12:41:13] <angelete> ngnp: did you read me?
[12:41:21] <angelete> i was disconnected
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[12:59:28] <cichlasoma> hi.
[13:00:23] <angelete> hi
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[13:04:39] <cichlasoma> yesterday, as i implemented the KeyListener interface and let the unimplemented method be imlemented automatically, they were marked with "@Override" marker. i chnged a setting since and today, whan i mark manually a method implementing a KeyListener method with the marker, i get error message saying, the method has to override a superclass method. i have a suspition, it has something to do with a Java version setting i changed somewhere, yet i don
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[13:05:43] <Erik1> mylyn give me this error (see comment in it) http://pastebin.com/m6873e166
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[13:22:30] <cichlasoma> (as for changing the java version setting - i tried to add @Override modifier in a file, i was informed, i have to change java -something- versin to be allowed to use it, i selected to change it for the whole workspace. it was not the jre, i believe, i don't know where the setting can be changed :-(((   )
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[13:23:33] <philk_> hi! Whats the difference between "enabledWhen" and "activeWhen" for command handlers?
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[13:29:06] <klopfdreh> hello, everyone - is there any way to hide vertical and horizontal scrollbars in swt browser?
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[13:33:44] <philk_> is there a way to make the splash screen be visible in the windows task bar as a popup window?
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[13:42:17] <paulweb515> philk_: the eclipse commands are set up so that a command can either have 0 or 1 active handlers
[13:42:44] <paulweb515> philk_: when a handler is active for that command, the handler enabled state is the command's enabled state
[13:43:33] <paulweb515> cichlasoma: that's controlled in Window>Preferences>Java>Compiler
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[13:44:27] <paulweb515> philk_: so when you declaratively contribute a handler you used activeWhen to determine when that handler is active (like when the activePartId == "your.view.id" or when the selection is an instanceof YourModel)
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[13:45:07] <philk_> paulweb515: isn't active the same as enabled?
[13:45:21] <paulweb515> philk_: then you can use enabledWhen to provide declarative enabled state (until the user actually uses that command which would load the declarative handler)
[13:45:25] <paulweb515> philk_: no
[13:46:12] <paulweb515> ex: the Outline view copy is active when the Outline view is active, the Package Explorer copy is active when the PE is active, the text editor copy is active when the text editor is the active part, etc
[13:46:30] <paulweb515> That's different from the text editor copy is enabled when you have text selected
[13:47:07] <paulweb515> philk_: activeWhen is about deciding (in a global context) when you think that a command (like copy) should be using your handler
[13:47:14] <philk_> paulweb515: but they use all the same command, the copy command right?
[13:47:43] <paulweb515> philk_: yes, there is only one copy command ... but depending on the application state, that command might execute a different handler
[13:48:47] <philk_> paulweb515: so I have a refresh command, and I want to enable it whenever the active view implements or adapts IRefreshable. I use an activeWhen since the handler is always the same, which calls the IRefreshable.refresh().
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[13:49:29] <philk_> paulweb515: I begin to understand the difference slowly :)
[13:50:03] <paulweb515> right, you would make your handler activeWhen <with variable="activePart"><or><instanceof value="IRefreshable"/><adapt value="IRefreshable"/></or></with>
[13:50:07] <paulweb515> philk_: or something like that
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[13:51:18] <paulweb515> sorry, let me expand ... you have a choice ... if you are using the global refresh command, then you would probably use activeWhen so that your refresh is active when the correct part is active
[13:51:47] <philk_> paulweb515: During my research I have run into difficulties to expose my editors input to the core expressions. I let my editors return the Input in getAdapter and thought when I use "<with variable="activePart"><adapt>someObject</adapt>" in the core expressions, the IWorkbenchPart.getAdapter would be called?
[13:52:30] <paulweb515> if you were using your own refresh command (say in an RCP app) and it would always only have one handler, then you would use enabledWhen so that you would control the handler's enabled state
[13:53:02] <paulweb515> philk_: it calls AdapterManager#getAdapter(*)
[13:53:45] <philk_> paulweb515: So I have to implement a AdapterFactory?
[13:54:32] <philk_> paulweb515: The getAdapter input would be the activepart and someObject then
[13:55:10] <dreif> Hi, I have a problem with a viewerContribution. I add an action from a plugin into a popup of my main RCP application : but when I right-click in the viewer I get a ClassNotFoundException for my action. Have someone a suggestion for me? Thank you.
[13:55:43] <rcjsuen> dreif: are you running from within Eclipse?
[13:56:13] <paulweb515> philk_: I just had a look ... <adapt type="IRefreshable">...more core expressions...</adapt> works by checking instanceof then by calling AdapterManager code
[13:56:42] <dreif> Yes. I configured a product config and add both application and plugin in it.
[13:56:45] <paulweb515> philk_: so writing an AdapterFactory for it would be the best bet (plus that will also work everywhere in the platform)
[13:56:46] <philk_> paulweb515: yes the refreshable thingy works :)
[13:57:46] <paulweb515> philk_: if you want to check your part, then you would use <with variable="activePart"> ... what do you want to do with SomeObject?
[13:58:05] <rcjsuen> cichlasoma: that's an issue with compiler preferences
[13:58:17] <bobbytech3> If I want maven and eclipse integration, as it stands now, what is the better plugin: q4e / m2e ?
[13:58:20] <rcjsuen> klopfdreh: can't you just get the bars and then call setVisible?
[13:58:29] <bobbytech3> I'm mostly concerned with WTP support
[14:00:21] <philk_> paulweb515: I just want to use it to enable toolbar/contextmenu entries on it
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[14:00:48] <philk_> paulweb515: my editors have context menus and toolbars that should enable according to the state of the editors input object
[14:01:39] <philk_> paulweb515: I actually want to check the part to give me its IEditorInput, and IEditorInput in turn returns the real input object in its getAdapter method.
[14:01:58] <philk_> paulweb515: in short, I want to check which object is being edited
[14:03:50] <paulweb515> philk_: you can try something like <with variable="activePart"><and><instanceof value="IEditorPart"/><test property="your.editor.input.test" value="some.value"/></and></with>
[14:04:36] <paulweb515> philk_: then write a property tester ... your test(*) method will be called with the IEditorPart, and then you can just call getAdapter(*) and/or AdapterManager, etc)
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[14:05:51] <philk_> paulweb515: seems like another idea to accomplish the task, yes.
[14:06:39] <philk_> paulweb515: however, it seems that my "activeWhen" is not even evaluated when the editor becomes active
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[14:09:42] <philk_> paulweb515: see here http://rafb.net/p/Us1vss41.html for the handlers declaration. It should be either active when the selection contains a order object or the active part adapts (that is hidden in the reference) to an order object
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[14:16:03] <angelete> does anyone know why i have syntax highlight deactivated in PDT editor??
[14:16:08] <angelete> just for .html files
[14:16:16] <angelete> and i have the correct association (i think)
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[14:19:58] <paulweb515> philk_: and what's the de.topsystem.tks.client.controlcenter.IsCancelableOrderDTO expression?
[14:20:19] <paulweb515> philk_: that activeWhen looks fine to me
[14:21:14] <philk_> paulweb515: http://rafb.net/p/RKOqnx19.html
[14:21:41] <philk_> paulweb515: the property tester works just fine when using the command in a toolbar and a selection provider
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[14:23:07] <paulweb515> philk_: that won't work for the editor part, though, I think, since you take the editor part and try to adapt it to de.topsystem.tks.core.logistics.dto.OrderDTO
[14:23:19] <paulweb515> philk_: your part wouldn't be an OrderDTO, would it?
[14:23:39] <philk_> paulweb515: thats why I would like somehow to adapt it to OrderDTO
[14:23:50] <philk_> paulweb515: using a AdapterFactory I thought
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[14:32:06] <cichlasoma> paulweb515 & rcjsuen thanx!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (originally, i had some projects set to java 1.6, some to 1.4, than i set the whole workspace to 1.5... - 1.5 and 1.6 behave very differently in this respect...)
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[14:42:21] <paulweb515> philk_: if you provide the AdapterManager you would be able to go IEditorPart -> OrderDTO
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[14:43:33] <philk_> paulweb515: I try that but it does not seem to be called
[14:44:13] <paulweb515> philk_: What does your org.eclipse.core.runtime.adapters extension look like?
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[14:48:43] <merdaccia> hi. i need some advice on setting up the same eclipse settings on many machines. i want them to all have the same plugins setup, and have the same eclipse settings and plugin settings
[14:48:49] <merdaccia> could you point me in the right direction please
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[14:50:37] <philk_> paulweb515: http://rafb.net/p/2p34hH54.html
[14:52:01] <paulweb515> merdaccia: in 3.4 they are working on p2 provisioning ... there's also the maya project that is specifically for deploying "profiles" (the same set of plugins with the same config) http://www.eclipse.org/maya/
[14:52:48] <paulweb515> philk_: that should work fine once your plugin is loaded
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[14:53:15] <fabin>  is it possible to use zend framework from eclipse-pdt
[14:54:17] <philk_> paulweb515: though so too, seems like the selection comes into the way. Each part has its own selection provider, right? and if a part does not provide a selection provider than the global selection is null?
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[14:57:27] <paulweb515> philk_: I believe so, yes
[14:57:44] <rcjsuen> merdaccia: many settings are stored at the workspace level, those will not really be enforce-able
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[15:00:13] <spitzi> Good day. A simple question: how can I easily watch the value of an std::string in eclipse ?
[15:00:29] <spitzi> (during runtime, in debug mode)
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[15:05:14] <spitzi> Hmph ... anyone ?
[15:05:22] <rcjsuen> ~cdt-faq
[15:05:23] <KOS-MOS> Looking for all of the answers related to CDT, or just most of them?  Check out the mighty CDT-FAQ (http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/User/FAQ).
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[15:12:25] <rcjsuen> ijuma: Are you familiar with Scala's trunk?
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[15:25:14] <ngnp> (11:17:27) ngnp: angelete: fwiw i added a Preferences/General/Content Types | Text/PHP Content Type | Add *.module and highlight is working :-)
[15:25:22] <philk_> I have 3 product that only differ in their name but should share the same workbench preferences and splash screens. For now I have created copies of the product and changed the name. But that seems rather inefficient to me. Is there a way to share branding informations?
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[15:34:43] <juacom99> hi can anyone plese help me integrate qtjamb in eclipse
[15:35:37] <juacom99> i'm on windows Xp right now and i folow all the steps  in the trollthech but it didn't seams to work _S
[15:35:45] <juacom99> *:S
[15:35:59] <juacom99> *trollthech's web
[15:36:55] <juacom99> i'm using eclispe 3.3.1.1
[15:37:04] <zx|work> what's your problem specificaly?
[15:39:16] <juacom99> i unzip the integrator as the web said in my eclispe folder
[15:39:22] <juacom99> and run the register bat
[15:39:25] <juacom99> but
[15:39:39] <juacom99> wne i get in eclispe and go to file->new->others
[15:39:50] <juacom99> qt is not show
[15:40:12] <ngnp> angelete: ping
[15:40:17] <juacom99> and is not show on the view
[15:40:19] <juacom99> too
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[15:40:24] <juacom99> :(
[15:40:46] <juacom99> i ws told is realy light. much more than swing or awt
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[16:17:17] <philk_> is it possible to add preference pages programmatically?
[16:17:55] <paulweb515> philk_: no, I don't think so ... they need to be declared.
[16:18:06] <paulweb515> philk_: you can use core expressions to make them invisible, though
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[16:19:07] <philk_> paulweb515: Seems like PlatformUI.getWorkbench().getPreferenceManager() should give me that ability though?
[16:19:39] <paulweb515> philk_: doesn't that just give you access to the preferences, though?
[16:20:28] <paulweb515> i.e. you can add another preference at runtime, but that's not preference pages
[16:20:30] <philk_> paulweb515: I have a preference page implementation that generates field editors out of Annotated POJOs. I would like to create preference pages for all registere POJOs (using extension or OSGi Services).
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[16:21:13] <philk_> paulweb515: "A preference manager maintains a hierarchy of preference nodes and associated preference pages."
[16:21:18] <paulweb515> philk_: in RCP you could use IExtensionRegistry#addContribution(*) to add extension XML on the fly
[16:22:04] <philk_> paulweb515: The preference dialog is created using the IPreferenceNode managed by PreferenceManager
[16:22:06] <paulweb515> philk_: oh, if IPreferenceNode can return an IPreferencePage, maybe you can add it on the fly that way
[16:22:20] <philk_> paulweb515: That would be wonderful. I will try that
[16:22:21] <paulweb515> philk_: but you have to be careful ... PreferenceManager is JFace code
[16:22:35] <philk_> paulweb515: Whyt would I have to be careful with that?
[16:22:46] <paulweb515> the UI preference page uses PreferenceManager ... but sometimes the workbench fools around with stuff
[16:23:07] <paulweb515> Try it and if it works, you're gold
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[16:24:57] <philk_> paulweb515: Ok, will try it right away...
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[16:25:36] <paulweb515> it should be OK, but for example in this instance it's not just a PreferenceManager, we return a WorkbenchPreferenceManager
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[16:26:59] <philk_> paulweb515: Is there a way to be informed when the workbench has been started?
[16:27:50] <paulweb515> philk_: in RCP there's a postStartup on your workbench advisor and postOpen on the workbench window advisor
[16:28:08] <philk_> paulweb515: I mean inside another bundle
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[16:29:04] <paulweb515> philk_: there is an org.eclipse.ui.startup extension.  It will run your startup class (never make it your activator) after the workbench had fully materialized (although in a different thread).  It's really only supposed to be used in RCP apps since it effects startup time and forces the activation of bundles
[16:31:55] <philk_> paulweb515: Just looking for a way to fetch the Platform.getWorkbench().getPreferenceManager().
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[16:34:20] <erle_mantos> hi guys .. anyone knows a good tutorial on how to use the dynamic variables extension point of eclipse ...
[16:36:08] <philk_> paulweb515: Maybe using the IExtensionRegistry#addContribution(*) way is better. But then I could also declare the pref pages in plugin.xml. I need to associate some kind of secondary ID with a preference page. Best would be using PreferenceManager
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[16:39:20] <paulweb515> philk_: I guess both the PreferenceManager and the addContributions(*) depend on you running code, so you'd probably have to start up something anyway
[16:39:38] <paulweb515> erle_mantos: is that part of debug?
[16:40:55] <erle_mantos> paulweb515 : no, i think that's part of core
[16:41:39] <juacom99> can anyone plese help me integrate qtjamb on eclipse please
[16:41:50] <juacom99> i'm using eclipse 3.3.1.1
[16:41:56] <juacom99> on windows
[16:41:57] <erle_mantos> i think the proper name of that is dynamic string substitution variables
[16:42:02] <philk_> paulweb515: yes, so startup extension seems the only way to go
[16:44:02] <paulweb515> erle_mantos: Oh, ok that sounds familiar (just not to me)
[16:44:19] <philk_> paulweb515: however this extension is deprecated and I wonder what the recommended way is to plug into the workbench start cycle? Maybe using a OSGi Service Tracker and a filter for something like "workbench.state=running"
[16:44:53] <philk_> paulweb515: Does the workbench register any OSGi service that state its condition?
[16:45:38] <paulweb515> philk_: the extension point org.eclipse.ui.startup should not be deprecated (we just discourage people from using it :-)
[16:45:54] <paulweb515> philk_: AFAIK the workbench doesn't register any OSGi services
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[16:46:11] <Pookzilla> we publish your name on the town message board and make you wear the scarlet letter
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[16:48:12] <philk_> paulweb515: ok, you should change the docs then, cause I would never use something that is marked deprecated
[16:49:29] <paulweb515> philk_: that's not the extension point that's deprecated, just the part about using your plugin class (activator)
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[16:57:39] <philk_> paulweb515: understood, thanks :)
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[17:02:32] <bobbytek2> is there block copy support for eclipse yet?
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[17:04:19] <zx|work> Pookzilla: lol
[17:04:59] <bobbytek2> I suppose there is no way to "disable" environmental variables in eclipse?
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[17:06:32] <philk_> paulweb515: it works using PreferenceManager :) Now, how I can influence the sorting in the preferences treeview?
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[17:11:12] <philk_> paulweb515: hmm there is a bug in PreferenceNode... if I hand in a IPreferencePage it will be disposed in the nodes disposeResources and later it tries to create the page from the classname again, instead of using the initial handed in IPreferencePage
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[17:18:31] <philk_> paulweb515: filed a bug report
[17:18:57] <pteague> when trying to copy or backup my eclipse install... do i need the stuff in eclipse/configuration/org.eclipse.core.runtime/ ?
[17:20:19] <juacom99> can anyone plese help me integrating qt on eclipse 3.3.1.1
[17:20:26] <juacom99> i did this: http://www.qtopia.org.cn/ftp/mirror/doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-1.0/com/trolltech/qt/qtjambi-eclipse.html
[17:20:32] <juacom99> <juacom99> but it didn't seems to works :S
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[17:23:33] <matt1982> hi peeps i have a project i downloaded into eclipse using the subversion pluggin. However the location of the server has changed and now I cant update or connect. Any ideas on how to change the IP address for a project?
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[17:25:57] <matt1982> i must be a total noob or something i just cant see where to specify it at all
[17:27:14] <juacom99> sorry matt1982. i've never work with cvs in eclipse yet
[17:27:23] <matt1982> no worries
[17:27:33] <matt1982> i have found the project properties i just cant edit it lol
[17:27:45] <juacom99> but it must be a way
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[17:28:37] <matt1982> yeah i would of thought so. My last resort will be to create a new projectand import it again
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[17:29:49] <zx|work> It would depend if the subversion plug-in would support that type of workflow or not
[17:30:03] <zx|work> The CVS plug-in does, you can do it by right clicking on a project and go to the CVS preferences and 'Change Sharing...'
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[17:31:55] <juacom99> did you try on the CVS view->project's propertis?
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[17:36:15] <rcjsuen> juacom99: did you restarting with -clean?
[17:37:38] <Camelot83> Hi guys! Pretty new to eclipse, but made a few java projects. I am now struggling with a task we have been given in class. I have been given a .java file and two .class files, the .java file creates objects using both of the class files, but I can't seem to get eclipse to reconise that the class files are there. I have tried creating a new folder in my project folder "ExamTest2/lib" and placed the class files there, and then added that
[17:39:04] <rcjsuen> Camelot83: your msg got cut off
[17:39:33] <Camelot83> crap, I'll split it up into smaller parts
[17:39:34] <Camelot83> Hi guys! Pretty new to eclipse, but made a few java projects. I am now struggling with a task we have been given in class. I have been given a .java file and two .class files, the .java file creates objects using both of the class files,
[17:39:42] <Camelot83> the .java file creates objects using both of the class files, but I can't seem to get eclipse to reconise that the class files are there. I have tried creating a new folder in my project folder "ExamTest2/lib"
[17:39:48] <Camelot83> and placed the class files there, and then added that to my projects build path as a new class folder. there are no packages involved, so they don't need to be in another folder. Do I need to add any import statement to the top of my source file?
[17:39:53] <Camelot83> any better? :)
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[17:42:07] <Camelot83> to make things more difficult they have added errors into the java file, so I am struggling to find out what are errors they have added, and what are errors caused by me not managing to import this correctly.
[17:42:32] <rcjsuen> Camelot83: Perhaps you should make a new class that uses those classes first to make sure you imported it properly
[17:42:40] <rcjsuen> and move the .java file elsewhere
[17:42:43] <juacom99> rcjsuen: i wasn't paing atention what does the -clean comamnd?
[17:42:45] <rcjsuen> for the time being
[17:43:07] <Camelot83> good idea, I will give that a try
[17:43:15] <rcjsuen> ~clean
[17:43:15] <KOS-MOS> Please try restarting Eclipse with the '-clean' argument. http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#I_have_just_installed_a_plug-in_but_I_do_not_see_any_indication_of_it_in_my_workspace._What_do_I_do.3F
[17:46:06] <Camelot83> rcjusen: still getting that it can't be resolved to a type. this is what I have done so far:
[17:46:18] <Camelot83> created a new project, created a new java class called test
[17:46:34] <Camelot83> right clicked, chosen build path and added a new class folder called lib
[17:46:44] <Camelot83> copied the two class files I have into the lib folder
[17:47:08] <Camelot83> in my test class I have put in "Object area = new PhysicsArea();
[17:47:24] <Camelot83> that is inside the test classes constructor
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[17:47:58] <Camelot83> any suggestions? :S
[17:48:18] <rcjsuen> Camelot83: screenshots
[17:48:26] <Camelot83> ok, cool
[17:48:45] <juacom99> thankssssssssssss rcjsuen is working!!!!!!!!!
[17:48:47] <mschulz> hello
[17:48:54] <rcjsuen> mschulz: Hi
[17:49:01] <rcjsuen> juacom99: ok
[17:49:03] <mschulz> in my small cdt project indexer seems to not work
[17:49:24] <mschulz> it did worked few months ago, with previous release of eclipse+cdt
[17:49:34] <mschulz> any suggestion?
[17:49:36] <rcjsuen> juacom99: you should ask the author to update the tutorial
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[17:50:36] <juacom99> it did
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[17:50:45] <rcjsuen> juacom99: oh, well then
[17:50:50] <juacom99> i folows the tutorial
[17:51:09] <rcjsuen> if it did, why didn't you try it then
[17:51:11] <juacom99> but the tutorial don't said a thing about the -clear comamnd
[17:51:19] <rcjsuen> juacom99: that is what i'm saying
[17:51:22] <rcjsuen> juacom99: tell the author, to update it
[17:51:27] <rcjsuen> juacom99: so that it _includes_, the -clean
[17:51:30] <juacom99> :O
[17:51:38] <juacom99> i'll do that
[17:52:09] <Camelot83> http://img.skitch.com/20080129-j97k2y3qqx632ykmmj6j93jf47.jpg
[17:52:11] <juacom99> in ther any way to contact qt author?
[17:52:18] <Camelot83> http://img.skitch.com/20080129-jyq9rgu3p1mfcpnnywmfjefgdi.jpg
[17:52:25] <Camelot83> http://img.skitch.com/20080129-1x37wreb49fn59iwab1tf6pbum.jpg
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[17:52:51] <Camelot83> those are screenshots of my test java file and eclipse window, build path properties and file directory on computer where files are kept
[17:53:02] <mschulz> Camelot83: native osx ui?
[17:53:11] <Camelot83> yea
[17:53:17] <mschulz> :)
[17:53:31] <mschulz> I would love to have swt ontop of qt4 ;)
[17:54:38] <rcjsuen> Camelot83: can you find your class files under refed libs?
[17:54:52] <mschulz> It' just pathetic that both OPEN SOURCE projects like swt and qt cannot be used togetker :/
[17:55:29] <Camelot83> no, it just says "lib" with a folder with a brown crosshair in the top corner
[17:55:40] <rcjsuen> mschulz: people have different licensing schemes and different ways of doing business
[17:55:48] <Camelot83> so ref lib expands once to the lib folder, but lib doesnt expand like u would think to the two class files
[17:55:50] <rcjsuen> admittedly, EPL is listed as one of the exceptions, but anyway
[17:56:17] <mschulz> rcjsuen: sure
[17:56:27] <juacom99> rcjsuen: i there any feed back page at trollthech??
[17:56:34] <rcjsuen> juacom99: No idea.
[17:56:39] <rcjsuen> juacom99: probably, i'm not the person to ask
[17:56:50] <mschulz> rcjsuen: does QPL disallow linking with SWT code? GPL does, but Qt is licensed both QPL and GPL afair
[17:57:27] <Camelot83> like this: http://img.skitch.com/20080129-e3qhmffjgmk959jieqra1f59yb.jpg
[17:57:32] <mschulz> I#m already happy with Qt addons for eclipse. Betther that than nothing :)
[17:58:14] <rcjsuen> mschulz: read Dough's post on Planet and Neil's comment
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[17:58:35] <rcjsuen> is what i'm referring to about an exception
[17:58:59] <mschulz> rcjsuen: url of the site? do you know it?
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[17:59:17] <Eckos> anyone know where Eclipse directory is on Ubuntu
[17:59:24] <rcjsuen> mschulz: see topic
[17:59:40] <rcjsuen> mschulz: or google 'Planet Eclipse'
[17:59:54] <mschulz> ok
[17:59:56] <mschulz> ty
[18:00:32] <rcjsuen> look for Doug Schaefer's (sp) post
[18:00:38] <mschulz> Terraforming...;)
[18:01:06] <rcjsuen> Eckos: i think it's like /usr/lib/eclipse or something
[18:01:11] <rcjsuen> Eckos: might want to try asking in #ubuntu
[18:01:21] <Eckos> they aren't answer
[18:01:34] <mschulz> Eckos: /opt/eclipse?
[18:01:46] <rcjsuen> no they don't use /opt/ for eclipse afaik
[18:01:54] <Eckos> found itr
[18:01:56] <Eckos> it*
[18:02:03] <Camelot83> you seem to be the local support guy, rcjsuen, though i am sure you are an innocent bystander who has been pulled into the fray. any suggestions? :S I can't believe this should be this difficult
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[18:04:07] <mschulz> rcjsuen: nice reading, thanks for hint
[18:04:27] <Camelot83> if anyone wants to give it a go: www.itismylife.net/Archive.zip
[18:04:38] <Camelot83> those are the two class files and the one java file I am trying to get to work
[18:04:44] <rcjsuen> Camelot83: you should try on the command line
[18:04:45] <mschulz> rcjsuen: exception?!
[18:04:50] <Camelot83> ok
[18:04:53] <rcjsuen> Eckos: Sharing your solution would be great, btw.
[18:05:02] <Eckos> /usr/lib/eclipse
[18:05:09] <mschulz> rcjsuen: so, who does the SWT for qt4 now?
[18:05:11] <linnuxxy> is there a widget for entering date time in SWT?
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[18:05:23] <rcjsuen> mschulz: perhaps exception is not the right word, but anyway, whatever
[18:05:35] <rcjsuen> mschulz: No one afaik
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[18:05:43] <rcjsuen> ~20486c32
[18:05:46] <KOS-MOS> See bug 20486 - QT3/KDE3 implementation of SWT - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=20486#c32
[18:05:58] <krbarnes> linnuxxy: yes... the DateTime widget
[18:06:00] <rcjsuen> linnuxxy: DateTime
[18:06:01] <mschulz> I hate having heavy GTK toolkit while using kde
[18:06:04] <rcjsuen> ~api DateTime
[18:06:05] <KOS-MOS> No javadocs found for class {0}.
[18:06:09] <rcjsuen> i need to update this
[18:06:10] <linnuxxy> is that on eclipse 3.2?
[18:06:15] <rcjsuen> no
[18:07:01] <linnuxxy> ok... i will try to use the code as it is from 3.3 repo
[18:07:02] <Camelot83> I get this when running from cmdline (java file needs to be one folder deeper then class files (ie class file are in /tmp, then java file needs to be in /tmp/tmp2
[18:07:04] <Camelot83> PhysicsSim.java:9: cannot find symbol
[18:07:05] <Camelot83> symbol  : class PhysicsArea
[18:07:05] <Camelot83> location: class PhysicsSim
[18:07:05] <Camelot83> 	protected PhysicsArea area = null;		//the main area in which projectiles are drawn
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[18:07:54] <rcjsuen> Camelot83: Why does it need to be deeper
[18:08:05] <Camelot83> because when I had them in the same folder I get this msg:
[18:08:41] <Camelot83> PhysicsSim.java:9: cannot access PhysicsArea
[18:08:42] <Camelot83> bad class file: ./PhysicsArea.class
[18:08:42] <Camelot83> illegal start of class file
[18:08:42] <Camelot83> Please remove or make sure it appears in the correct subdirectory of the classpath.
[18:08:42] <Camelot83> 	protected PhysicsArea area = null;		//the main area in which projectiles are drawn
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[18:09:21] <rcjsuen> sounds more like a package problem, though I'm not positive
[18:09:24] <Camelot83> so I assumed that the bad class file ./PhysicsArea.class meant that it needed to be one step up the folder tree
[18:09:29] <Camelot83> hmmm... ok
[18:09:42] <rcjsuen> ask in ##java
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[18:12:26] <Eckos> why is eclipse so slow to do a index parser for C++?
[18:12:35] <Eckos> but when i was on windows it was very fast
[18:13:17] <Camelot83> thanks for your help, rcjsuen. have a good evening
[18:13:27] <rcjsuen> bye
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[18:19:29] <juacom99> i steel can use qt :(
[18:19:34] <juacom99> *can't
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[18:24:16] <rcjsuen> juacom99: what can't you do
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[18:24:44] <rcjsuen> mschulz: if you want an swt implementation, i recommend you bring up that license page and voice your opinion on that bug
[18:25:36] <linnuxxy> where can I find the DateTime widget in the viewCVS?
[18:25:42] <linnuxxy> i can find it
[18:25:45] <linnuxxy> !
[18:25:52] <linnuxxy> can't***
[18:26:39] <mschulz> Iwill reply there
[18:26:47] <juacom99> http://uym.webhop.org/qtImgs/one.JPG
[18:27:02] <rcjsuen> linnuxxy: it's in the org.eclipse.swt module
[18:27:05] <rcjsuen> ~viewvc
[18:27:05] <KOS-MOS> Looking for a web interface to the source code released by Eclipse projects? http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/
[18:27:06] <juacom99> http://uym.webhop.org/qtImgs/two.JPG
[18:27:26] <juacom99> watch that rcjsuen :S
[18:28:17] <rcjsuen> juacom99: file bugs
[18:28:42] <juacom99> i have to redwnload?
[18:28:47] <juacom99> *redownload
[18:28:53] <rcjsuen> Maybe, maybe not.
[18:28:56] <rcjsuen> I never implied that, I said "file bugs".
[18:29:05] <rcjsuen> Filing bugs have nothing to do with dowlnoading anything.
[18:29:28] <juacom99> what is the probpem then?? :S
[18:29:46] <rcjsuen> juacom99: file a bug, maybe Trolltech will know
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[18:44:54] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[18:45:03] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i add own commands to the makefile that eclipse generates?
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[18:53:56] <mikanoza> hello
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[18:54:57] <mikanoza> Does anybody know how to enable Type wizard for my own project nature?
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[19:01:32] <rmh3093> can someone please help me get a button selectionlistener working properly
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[19:02:22] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: Well, explaining the problem would be a good start.
[19:02:40] <rcjsuen> mikanoza: enable type wizard?
[19:02:46] <mikanoza> how?
[19:03:07] <rcjsuen> mikanoza: I don't know about other people, but I don't even know what you're talking about.
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[19:04:09] <mikanoza> ok, you know how in Eclipse you can type CTRL + SHIFT + T to open "Open Type" dialog?
[19:04:16] <rcjsuen> yes
[19:04:19] <rmh3093> rcjsuen, i cant figure out how to get variables (besides SelectionEvent e) into the widgetSelected function
[19:04:40] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: well, one way is to make them 'final' I guess
[19:04:43] <pteague> ok, i rsync'ed my eclipse install with a bunch of plugins over the top of a new eclipse install...  the new eclipse install doesn't seem to see any of the plugins even though they all have files in plugins, configuration, & features directories... so i figured i'd manually add the plugins... well, all of the plugins sources are listed there & trying to update or add new stuff from those plugin sources states that there's nothing new...
[19:04:44] <pteague>  wtf?
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[19:04:55] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: Prehaps you should read up on how to do event handling in Java with listeners.
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[19:05:23] <rmh3093> rcjsuen, i've looked for examples and I dont see anything more than a basic example
[19:05:24] <rcjsuen> pteague: you could try restarting with -clean
[19:05:27] <mikanoza> rcjsuen, I have my own project nature and it seems I can't open that dialog. I can open Resource dialog (CTRL + SHIFT + R)...
[19:05:33] <rmh3093> where the button press just prints something out
[19:05:39] <rmh3093> nothing with extra variables
[19:05:44] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: ~pastebin your code then
[19:05:45] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
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[19:06:00] <rcjsuen> mikanoza: I don't think it's a nature issue.
[19:06:08] <rcjsuen> probably a context / perspective issue
[19:06:18] <rcjsuen> context scope, I guess, is the word
[19:06:21] <rcjsuen> paulweb515 would know
[19:06:35] <mikanoza> rcjsuen, ok thanks
[19:07:27] <rcjsuen> mikanoza: Do other JDT keybindings work?
[19:08:04] <mikanoza> rcjsuen, for example?
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[19:08:23] <rcjsuen> mikanoza: refactoring i guess
[19:08:39] <rcjsuen> but I guess those are based on the current selection possibly
[19:08:39] <rmh3093> rcjsuen, http://rafb.net/p/t9pZyM14.html
[19:08:45] <rmh3093> rcjsuen, the error is on 106
[19:08:49] <rmh3093> line 106
[19:09:11] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: well, for starters
[19:09:18] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: it's 'actions' not 'action'
[19:09:29] <mikanoza> rcjsuen, yes that works
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[19:09:58] <pteague> rcjsuen> k, that worked, but then it went through & reset all my plugin settings... blah oh well
[19:09:59] <rmh3093> rcjsuen, i was jsut changing that around
[19:10:00] <rcjsuen> mikanoza: You should open the keys pref pg and see what other keybindings share similar properties with 'Open Type'
[19:10:04] <rcjsuen> mikanoza: and see what happens
[19:10:19] <rmh3093> rmh3093, not the mistake i was referring to ;)
[19:10:31] <rcjsuen> pteague: -clean tells it to scan and regen the cache, shouldn't technically override the settings
[19:10:38] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: so make 'actions' final
[19:11:24] <rcjsuen> as mentioned above <rcjsuen> rmh3093: well, one way is to make them 'final' I guess
[19:12:19] <mikanoza> rcjsuen, Open Type key binding is in preferences, but it does not work...
[19:12:33] <rcjsuen> mikanoza: That's not what I meant
[19:12:38] <rcjsuen> "share similar properties"
[19:12:49] <rcjsuen> look for other keybindings that share the same scope / context / whatever that word is
[19:13:18] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: Did it work? Technically, 'quick fix' would've helped you here I think.
[19:14:08] <pteague> ok, there we go...  it works now, thanks rcjsuen :)
[19:14:21] <rcjsuen> pteague: Cool.
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[19:17:42] <rmh3093> rcjsuen, i think i got it
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[19:17:52] <rmh3093> thanks
[19:17:55] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: Great.
[19:18:03] <rmh3093> i got rid of the compile error
[19:18:17] <rcjsuen> Okay.
[19:18:48] <rmh3093> and actually i think the code worked
[19:18:59] <rmh3093> :)
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[19:19:14] <rmh3093> i had to change my for loop around a little
[19:19:25] <Djoef> hi, i just installed eclipse on a winXP machine, and created a hello world project. I also installed cygwin (is this mandatory???) anyway, when i build & run, i get : Launch failed no binaries, what should i do ?
[19:20:27] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: really, how odd
[19:20:39] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: if you just did final ArrayList<whatever> x = blah
[19:20:40] <rcjsuen> should've done it
[19:21:00] <rmh3093> rcjsuen, the i from my for loop needed to be static to
[19:21:19] <rmh3093> so i change it to (String action : actions) style
[19:21:20] <rcjsuen> rmh3093: ah, that's true, forgot about that one
[19:21:33] <rmh3093> and that got rid of i
[19:21:54] <rcjsuen> yes, doing that or calling get(i) before the listener should've done it
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[19:23:48] <philk_> inside an OSGi ServiceTracker can I return a different Object then the one the default implementation of addingService would return?
[19:25:25] <njbartlett> philk_: Yes. You just have to be prepared to receive that object back in your removedService method
[19:25:33] <Djoef> anyone ?
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[19:25:39] <njbartlett> philk_: Also if somebody calls getService(), they'll get that object
[19:26:17] <philk_> njbartlett: if someone calls getService on this *same* ServiceTracker?
[19:26:26] <njbartlett> philk_: You have to be careful of course to do it symmetrically. If you override addingService and do something funny, then you MUST also override removedService and do the appropriate cleanup
[19:26:38] <njbartlett> philk_: Yes
[19:26:53] <philk_> njbartlett: I overwrite both, and nobody else is using this ST
[19:27:03] <njbartlett> philk_: Yeah then you're safe
[19:27:26] <njbartlett> Okay dinner time for me... ciao
[19:27:31] <philk_> njbartlett: thanks for the webinar, chained services are wonderful. I will implement this for our RemoteServices stuff
[19:27:39] <philk_> njbartlett: bon appetit
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[19:34:43] <Djoef> hi, i just installed eclipse on a winXP machine, and created a hello world project. I also installed cygwin (is this mandatory???) anyway, when i build & run, i get : Launch failed no binaries, what should i do ?
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[19:42:10] <\monster\> hey guys, is it possible to make eclipse ignore errors/warnings on a specific folder in your project?
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[19:47:03] <mikanoza> rcjsuen, this did the trick: http://pastebin.com/m69ada3df
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[19:49:13] <paulweb515> mikanoza: :-)  I was just about to mention that you need to activate the actionSet for your perspective
[19:49:25] <paulweb515> mikanoza: that's why CTRL+SHIFT+T doesn't work in the Team perspectives
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[19:52:59] <mikanoza> paulweb515, thanks
[19:53:53] <mikanoza> paulweb515, it's just funny how it takes a long time to find the solution, but at the end it's like 5 lines in plugin.xml. I love Eclipse :)
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[20:01:39] <nitind> \monster\: By "Eclipse" do you mean the support for a specific language?  And ignore it when?  When is it complaining?
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[20:06:23] <\monster\> nitind: im trying out zend studio for eclipse (php)  ..its giving errors on all my html templates since they don't have complete tags
[20:07:05] <\monster\> basically its saying i have broken html tags everywhere
[20:07:26] <\monster\> id like it to ignore the folder where i have all the html templates
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[20:13:20] <Kevin_Sawicki> hi, does anyone know if the SWT_AWT bridge is broken in Eclipse 3.3 on Mac OS 10.5?
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[20:18:28] <paulweb515> Kevin_Sawicki: I would suggest posting to eclipse.platform.swt - http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups/ to see if others are having any problems with ti
[20:18:34] <paulweb515> s/ti/it/
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[20:47:10] <juacom99> hi
[20:47:38] <juacom99> can anyone please recomend me a good light GUI framework to use with eclipse?
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[20:58:47] <rcjsuen> juacom99: you might want to be more specific
[20:58:48] <krbarnes> juacom99: why not use SWT?
[20:58:51] <rcjsuen> namely, crossplatform / language
[20:59:07] <rcjsuen> krbarnes: juacom99 is using c++ i believe
[20:59:59] <juacom99> i'm using java 1.6
[21:00:05] <juacom99> on eclipse
[21:00:15] <juacom99> not SWT cios is really heavy
[21:00:27] <juacom99> i want somethin lighter
[21:00:29] <rcjsuen> Qt sounds more heavy than SWT to me.
[21:00:46] <rcjsuen> ~ini Trying to configure the eclipse.ini file? Take a look at this wiki page - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse.ini
[21:00:48] <rcjsuen> ~add ini Trying to configure the eclipse.ini file? Take a look at this wiki page - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse.ini
[21:00:49] <KOS-MOS> The new keyword "ini" has been stored. In the future, you can ask me about "ini" and I will respond.
[21:00:49] <rcjsuen> whoops
[21:00:50] <juacom99> i was told is was lighet :S
[21:01:12] <rcjsuen> If you're on Java 6, you might as well use Swing.
[21:01:27] <rcjsuen> I mean, no matter how "light" SWT or Qt is, it still assumes the user has it installed.
[21:01:33] <juacom99> isn't swing heavy too?
[21:01:34] <rcjsuen> Whereas if you have a JRE to run your Java 6 app, you can run Swing.
[21:01:35] <rcjsuen> if you know what I mean
[21:01:56] <juacom99> yes
[21:02:06] <rcjsuen> Perhaps the question is
[21:02:11] <juacom99> Swing is integrated with the JRE
[21:02:12] <rcjsuen> "How do you define 'lightweight'?"
[21:02:38] <juacom99> good quiestion rcjsuen
[21:03:21] <juacom99> emmm don't get stuck when i drag and drop the window in a good start
[21:03:25] <ijuma> and for Swing, it also depends on the look and feel
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[21:03:34] <juacom99> to define lightweight
[21:03:42] <rcjsuen> ijuma: yes, good point
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[21:03:50] <rcjsuen> look-and-feel / language (though you said Java) / cross-platform
[21:04:31] <juacom99> i don't even know how to add a look and feel XD
[21:04:36] <juacom99> so nvm
[21:04:45] <juacom99> :P
[21:04:53] <ijuma> there are so many variables
[21:05:09] <juacom99> i'm agree you can't learn them all
[21:05:39] <ijuma> juacom99: is this for a cross-platform app?
[21:05:48] <juacom99> yes
[21:05:51] <ijuma> and is there a favoured platform?
[21:05:55] <juacom99> linux, windws
[21:05:58] <ijuma> does it have to look native?
[21:06:11] <juacom99> not necesarly
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[21:06:37] <juacom99> is a chat server for ares p2p network.
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[21:06:55] <juacom99> there's no server for linux users yet
[21:07:04] <juacom99> so i'm thinkong on doing one
[21:07:13] <juacom99> *thinking
[21:07:14] <ijuma> juacom99: extra libraries are a problem?
[21:07:36] <juacom99> i want the user to need only the excensail
[21:07:43] <juacom99> so more people can run it
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[21:08:54] <ijuma> juacom99: that's one advantage of swing like rcjsuen said
[21:09:22] <juacom99> is integated with the JRE
[21:09:28] <juacom99> isn't it?
[21:09:34] <ijuma> yeah
[21:09:50] <juacom99> yep that add portability
[21:10:07] <ijuma> on the other hand, swing looks like crap with the default look and feels
[21:10:14] <juacom99> if i make it with qt does the users need something else to rune it?
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[21:10:21] <ijuma> well, i hear that the windows one is decent these days
[21:10:26] <ijuma> juacom99: yes
[21:10:34] <ijuma> they need qt and qt-jambi
[21:10:45] <juacom99> O.o that's not good
[21:11:00] <ijuma> http://trolltech.com/products/qt/jambi
[21:11:01] <juacom99> in linux may be easy to get but on windows
[21:11:16] <ijuma> juacom99: yeah, for kde users for example it would not be a problem
[21:11:19] <juacom99> i been there all day trying to fix my qt
[21:11:31] <rcjsuen> there might be licensing issues too
[21:11:31] <juacom99> is just a app get
[21:11:38] <juacom99> no
[21:11:39] <brkopac> hey guys, i'm struggling setting up cygwin with eclipse, i'm trying to build a simple helloworld program just to see if its working and its tossing a warning and i can't seem to figure out why
[21:11:53] <juacom99> it wll be licencied GPL
[21:12:12] <juacom99> *will
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[21:12:25] <juacom99> witch warning?
[21:12:53] <brkopac> incoming spam ><
[21:12:57] <brkopac> ****  WARNING: The "Cygwin GCC" Configuration may not build  ****
[21:12:58] <brkopac> ****  because it uses the "cdt.managedbuild.toolchain.gnu.cygwin.base"  ****
[21:12:58] <brkopac> ****  tool-chain that is unsupported on this system.  ****
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[21:13:54] <juacom99> are you importing any packaje in the file?
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[21:14:02] <Pluxxx> what is the shortkey to make those javadoc-commentaries in Eclipse ?
[21:14:17] <Pluxxx> I can't seem to find it :/ but I was told it is there somewhere
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[21:14:40] <brkopac> stdlib and stdio
[21:14:53] <brkopac> its the defaul helloworld project that eclipse builds
[21:15:01] <juacom99> ok i asume you ares on c++
[21:15:05] <brkopac> yes
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[21:15:26] <paulweb515> Pluxxx: ALT+J
[21:15:30] <juacom99> yes so you can performe the print
[21:15:48] <paulweb515> Pluxxx: you can use CTRL+SHIFT+L to the current active list of keybindings
[21:16:00] <brkopac> well i need to get it to compile first
[21:16:03] <paulweb515> Pluxxx: sorry, that's ALT+SHIFT+J
[21:16:54] <Pluxxx> now Im a bit confused on which u wanted to overwrite :P
[21:17:09] <Pluxxx> but Ill figure it out from that, thx :P
[21:17:13] <brkopac> oh and i get the following at the bottom of the console window:
[21:17:14] <brkopac> (Exec error:Launching failed)
[21:17:16] <paulweb515> Pluxxx: go for the gold!
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[21:18:50] <the_giver> any useful plugins for general java coding for eclipse?
[21:19:03] <juacom99> brkopac:http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.cdt/msg14639.html
[21:19:21] <rcjsuen> the_giver: being more specific would be helpful
[21:19:23] <rcjsuen> i just use jdt
[21:19:31] <rcjsuen> nothing additional
[21:19:33] <Pluxxx> I just use jdt too :D
[21:19:43] <Pluxxx> must be a coincidence
[21:19:55] <juacom99> rcjsuen: what do you use to desing swing gui??
[21:20:06] <rcjsuen> juacom99: i don't use anything
[21:20:11] <juacom99> coding?
[21:20:13] <rcjsuen> welll, it's been over two years since i wrote swing code
[21:20:17] <rcjsuen> but i jes hand coded back then
[21:20:26] <rcjsuen> i hand code my swt code too
[21:21:58] <brkopac> "Activating the reference to static lib solves the problem." my references are blank as well, what exactly did he fill them with?
[21:23:12] <juacom99> i don't reallt know. i just google the problem and give you the best result i had :S
[21:23:30] <brkopac> oi
[21:23:45] <juacom99> wow eclipse can be used to edit php :O
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[21:26:49] <sc445> anybody know how to remote debug osgi bundles?
[21:27:29] <njbartlett> sc445: Basically the same way you remotely debug any Java code
[21:27:50] <sc445> but  remote application only let you select a single project
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[21:29:24] <njbartlett> sc445: Don't worry about that
[21:31:16] <sc445> If that works, it's cool, I am also trying to use VMWARE plugin.  Since it's another variation of remote debugger, that will be very good
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[21:35:19] <rcjsuen> juacom99: if someone writes a plug-in, it can technically edit anything
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[21:40:54] <riishigh> To answer my own question from the other day: you create a link in the workspace by creating a "new folder" and then selecting "Link to folder in the file system" :)
[21:41:08] <riishigh> If anybody else needs it.
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[21:49:27] <jforman> i'm tryin to get the pydev extensionn working in eclipse, spceifically code completion (so i can type something like "os." and the possible code completions come down in a pop up context box). but i cant seem to get this to work. anyone able to lend a hand?
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[21:52:34] <Galevsky> hi all, i face an ant pb with eclispe 3.3 ... the "hide internal targets" feature hides also the ones that have a <description> into the ant view. any idea ? thks
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[21:59:18] <Galevsky> no one ?
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[22:16:29] <nitind> Is the lack of a description what makes a target internal?
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[23:03:03] <Sycofant> nitind, You around?
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[23:04:07] <nitind> Sycofant: Briefly.  'sup?
[23:04:13] <pteague> what exactly does mylyn do?
[23:04:18] <Sycofant> Still having the overflows...
[23:04:31] <Sycofant> Completely reinstalled PDT stand-alone...
[23:04:35] <Sycofant> No Aptana
[23:04:38] <Sycofant> :(
[23:05:06] <pteague> PDT is the new php editor?
[23:05:10] <Sycofant> Yup
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[23:05:25] <pteague> i've yet to get that to work very well... i keep going back to phpeclipse
[23:05:26] <nitind> It's *a* PHP editor.  There's rarely ever just one editor for a language available.
[23:05:38] <pteague> i said *new* ;)
[23:05:57] <Sycofant> I'm willing to believe somehting is amiss with my system... Zend Studio won't even start anymore...
[23:06:03] <nitind> It's *a* new(er) PHP editor.
[23:06:08] <Sycofant> (Why I went looking for an alternative)
[23:06:15] <nitind> ...and a whole lot more, I think.
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[23:06:54] <pteague> nitind> i only know of 2 php editor plugins for eclipse (aptana seems to have dropped theirs?) - pdt & phpeclipse ... are there other plugins for eclipse
[23:06:55] <Sycofant> I'm going to try and reinstall Zend Studio (although I'd rather use something else, the Zend licence isn't strictly legit - it was purchased for me by a client a few years ago, and I think they use it elsewhere now).
[23:07:22] <Sycofant> I might try phpeclipse again. I haven't used it for a year or so.
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[23:08:09] <rcjsuen> pteague: Mylyn is context-based task management, i s'pose
[23:10:45] <pteague> k, so i'm guessing that .metadata/.mylyn/{contexts/activity.xml.zip,tasklist.xml.zip} are constantly going to change... in which case i'll remove them from my subversion repos
[23:11:19] <rcjsuen> you checked in your whole workspace to Subversion?
[23:12:10] <Sycofant> That's one thing that annoys me about Eclipse - at least as far as I can tell, the inability to keep project metadata separate from project source files.
[23:12:43] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: Im' guessing you mean the .project and .classpath files?
[23:12:48] <pteague> to my svn repos yeah...  i don't have any projects added to my default...  it's a nice way to have it set up so i don't have to keep installing, adding plugins, & then setting all of my preferences for all of the plugins
[23:12:57] <Sycofant> rcjsuen, Yup
[23:13:00] <nemo> Sycofant: why is that so annoying?
[23:13:22] <Sycofant> nemo: Well, it's just not quite how I am used to working I guess.
[23:14:01] <pteague> Sycofant> yeah, i manually set project directory....  i have my .metadata in ~/workspace/.eclipse/.metadata/ & all my projects under ~/workspace/projects/
[23:14:02] <Sycofant> In video post production (my other job) I keep project data separate from media, in coding (with Zend previously) I keep project data separate from source.
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[23:16:28] <Sycofant> Is phpeclipse still in active development?
[23:16:31] <konigsberg> Hello, I know how to create contributions to the context menu for editors. What I don't know is how to manipulate individual menu items based on things like the editor's input, or the cursor position. How can I do that?
[23:16:51] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: yes
[23:16:56] <rcjsuen> konigsberg: did you read the wiki page?
[23:16:57] <konigsberg> I've read all sorts of extension point documents and pored through chapter 6 of Building Commercial Quality Plugins for too long.
[23:17:01] <konigsberg> Which wiki page?
[23:17:04] <nitind> Your action delegate will be given the selection before it's invoked.
[23:17:08] <rcjsuen> konigsberg: the menu contrib page
[23:17:13] <Sycofant> No releases since April 06?
[23:17:16] <rcjsuen> konigsberg: well, that book is pretty old
[23:17:30] <rcjsuen> konigsberg: perhaps we should first sort out which Eclipse version you're on
[23:17:31] <konigsberg> looking
[23:17:34] <konigsberg> 3.3.1.1
[23:17:38] <rcjsuen> ~tell konigsberg about wiki Menu Contributions
[23:17:39] <KOS-MOS> konigsberg: Check out this wiki article - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Menu_Contributions
[23:17:42] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: google around
[23:17:48] <konigsberg> http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Menu_Contributions
[23:17:50] <konigsberg> Ah good
[23:17:51] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: they have nightly builds for their update site iirc
[23:17:52] <konigsberg> We found the same page.
[23:18:06] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: pombreda is on the phpeclipse team
[23:18:07] <konigsberg> OK great. I'll go read that.
[23:18:08] <konigsberg> Thanks
[23:18:26] <rcjsuen> konigsberg: paulweb515, paulweb515_ would be your man, not sure if he is around at the moment though.
[23:18:35] <konigsberg> ok tx
[23:18:45] <pteague> Sycofant> yes it is, use the nightlies
[23:18:59] <pteague> Sycofant> see #phpeclipse
[23:19:34] <rcjsuen> Sycofant: admittedly, more frequent releases would make everyone feel better, but anyway ;)
[23:20:16] <Sycofant> Well, yes and no I guess :) Don't want something that's still half-finished, but at the same times it's nice to know that stuff is being worked on.
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[23:23:33] <pteague> Sycofant> i've yet to have any problems with nightlies & i know 1 of the guys starts his morning off by downloading the nightly ...  i know they've been working on the xdebug & dbg integration here lately... if you don't care about either of those you shouldn't have any problems
[23:24:25] <pteague> & usually if there is a problem with a nightly & you complain in channel they're good about fixing stuff something that broke in a nightly
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[23:28:41] <pteague> Sycofant> discussing it in #phpeclipse sounds like they're about ready to release 1.2.0, but want to get a couple more bugs fixed
[23:29:16] <Sycofant> I may give it a go, but I'm not convinced I don't have some underlying Eclipse issue on my system... :(
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[23:31:31] <grEvenX> Sycofant: have you tried PDT
[23:31:51] <Sycofant> Yeah, I like it, but I can't get more than about 5 minutes of usable application.
[23:31:59] <Sycofant> I'm getting overflows everywhere.
[23:32:03] <grEvenX> oh
[23:32:20] <pteague> hehe, that's why i suggested phpeclipse =)
[23:32:21] <Sycofant> I thought it was Aptana, which I had installed, but I nuked it and started fresh with PDT stand alone, and it's still doing it.
[23:32:22] <grEvenX> how do you work on your projects? locally, or by using remote ?
[23:32:28] <Sycofant> Locally.
[23:32:36] <Sycofant> Although over SMB network shares.
[23:33:21] <Sycofant> Was happening in 'Process Dirty Regions' or soemthing, then I turned off the error checking as you type stuff, and it started doing it on 'Build Workspace'
[23:33:31] <grEvenX> I'm working on projects in PDT with over 1657 php files in it
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[23:34:24] <Sycofant> Yeah, I'm sure it should work, I think my computer is probably cursed or something really.
[23:34:41] <Sycofant> It's not a good sign that Zend Studio won't even start up anymore.
[23:34:48] <grEvenX> I had the same issue you had with Zend Studio Noen, but since I downloaded Eclipse + PDT total package from the website it has been running good
[23:35:03] <grEvenX> (not the package from Zend)
[23:35:35] <grEvenX> s/Noen/Neon
[23:35:56] <pteague> where did you get the eclipse + pdt total package?
[23:36:04] <Sycofant> Well I've reinstalled Zend and it's working (so far) so I'll get my work done with that, then revisit the Eclipse/PDT thing.
[23:36:10] <Sycofant> From the PDT website.
[23:36:23] <grEvenX> Sycofant: do you need the debugging stuff and such from Zend?
[23:37:07] <Sycofant> Nah, I never really learned to use it.
[23:37:12] <Sycofant> I do my debugging the hard ware.
[23:37:13] <Sycofant> way
[23:37:33] <grEvenX> Sycofant: because after the demo/test license from Zend runs out, they _cripple_ the features that are allready in the opensource version of PDT... I was angry as hell when I found out that I couldn't rename files in SVN from the project view after the license was invalid....
[23:38:05] <grEvenX> I don't use the debugging stuff either, so Eclipse + PDT makes it less bloaty than the package from zend
[23:38:32] <Sycofant> I'm still using old stand alone Zend Studio 5.2
[23:38:47] <Sycofant> I have a licence, although technically I may not have the right to use it anymore.
[23:39:15] <kthomas_vh> pteague, eclipse.org/pdt
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[23:40:11] <kthomas_vh> where is the control setting to toggle display of the contributor name,  status and other metadata for SVN imported (PHP) projects?
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[23:42:53] <grEvenX> kthomas_vh: display it where? in the project browser?
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[23:45:22] <kthomas_vh> yes... in either PHP explorer or navigator (I have one install that doesn't show,  rest of my installs do show...)
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[23:47:01] <grEvenX> kthomas_vh: if you are using subversive it is in preferences > Team > SVN > Label  Decoration (on the second tab: Text decorations)
[23:47:23] <kthomas_vh> tks,  looking
[23:47:26] <grEvenX> have to go
[23:47:29] <grEvenX> later
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