[00:01:45] <pombreda> shoot, sounds like the latest ubuntu updates are hosing eclipse all around with 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'
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[00:03:19] <pombreda> I do not run ubuntu nbut a buddy got the issue and solved it by rolling back the latest xserver-xorg-core related update.
[00:03:28] <pombreda> anyone on ubuntu that can confirm that?
[00:03:50] <rcjsuen> pombreda: ask nemo
[00:04:03] <rcjsuen> pombreda: i know dave uses Ubuntu, but he's gone
[00:04:12] <pombreda> yeah
[00:04:27] <pombreda> I am too lazy to fire a vm with ubuntu
[00:04:32] <pombreda> nemo:
[00:04:34] <pombreda> ?
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[00:05:07] <pombreda> andreus:  yes not perfectly but yes
[00:05:18] <pombreda> rcjsuen: how many VE questions do you get per day?
[00:05:36] <pombreda> andreus: File/new Visual class
[00:05:59] <rcjsuen> pombreda: maybe 1-3 asking about it i guess?
[00:06:05] <andreus> i understand, it is not in there
[00:06:15] <pombreda> rcjsuen: I need to put that build out then :-D
[00:06:30] <pombreda> andreus: then the installation did not go right I guess
[00:06:45] <andreus> there were no errors
[00:07:29] <pombreda> ~tell andreus about logs
[00:07:30] <KOS-MOS> andreus: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[00:07:44] <pombreda> ~tell andreus about pastebin
[00:07:45] <KOS-MOS> andreus: Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
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[00:09:01] <pombreda> andreus: you can aslo pasetbin the platform.xml that you will find under <install>/configuration/org.eclipse.update or ~/.eclipse<..>/.....//configuration/org.eclipse.update
[00:09:07] <pombreda> ~update
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[00:11:55] <andreus> http://pastebin.com/d4e0d86bd - platform.xml
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[00:15:59] <andreus> takes forever to post .log file, i hope pastebin won't refuse this post
[00:16:58] <andreus> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 437 bytes) in /home/pastebin/lib/geshi/geshi.php on line 1909
[00:17:07] <andreus> sec, i'll copy off top
[00:17:16] <lynucs> n8
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[00:18:30] <andreus> well, easier to take it from pde runtime log.
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[00:18:36] <andreus> here's one of the examples
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[00:18:46] <andreus> Could not install bundle plugins/org.eclipse.ve.propertysheet_1.2.0.v20060824_M.jar   Bundle "org.eclipse.ve.propertysheet" version "1.2.0.v20060824_M" has already been installed from: update@../../home/andrei/.eclipse/org.eclipse.platform_3.3.0_1473617060/configuration/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.ve.propertysheet_1.2.0.v20060824_M.jar
[00:19:17] <andreus> same goes for every jar involved in VE
[00:19:55] <andreus> i've downloaded ones from eclipse.org/vep, then also tried to install with eclipse's update engine
[00:21:01] <andreus> i'm quite a newbie eclipse user and just began learning java
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[00:32:35] <andreus> pombreda, any suggestions?
[00:33:01] <pombreda> andreus: a sec. tel
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[00:46:57] <Yaroslv1> My computer crashed, now Eclipse fails to start with some "FrameworkEvent.ERROR" message in log file, what's the typical procedure for troubleshooting problems like this?
[00:49:06] <Rhe> reinstall? :)
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[00:49:26] <Rhe> that error seems like a very general error type to me
[00:49:32] <zeke> Hi, I don't understand the eclipse resource system... trying to get swt working.
[00:49:45] <Yaroslv1> well, here's the whole log I get -- http://pastebin.ca/861744
[00:50:31] <Rhe> Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException
[00:50:36] <Rhe> i think the jre is borked
[00:51:32] <Rhe> first i thought maybe a project file you were working on was terminated at a wrong state
[00:51:46] <Rhe> but eclipse just terminates the project at startup if it fails
[00:51:55] <Rhe> this seems to be more fundamental
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[01:15:52] <njbartlett_> Yaroslv1: Have you tried running with -clean?
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[01:18:59] <zeke> Can somone help me get swt running?
[01:19:23] <zeke> I've tried 3 different guides.
[01:19:30] <zeke> And had to reinstall several times!
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[01:25:27] <andreus> pombreda, i guess it's unexpected exception :)
[01:26:26] <pombreda> andreus: sry was afk
[01:26:35] <pombreda> you are missing jem anev ve of course in yopur install
[01:26:46] <pombreda> can you start with eclipse -clean
[01:26:57] <pombreda> if not make sure you have installed the pre -requisite
[01:27:01] <pombreda> JEM
[01:27:27] <andreus> jem is a must?
[01:27:58] <pombreda> andreus: ok, did you follow the instarcutions there?
[01:28:02] <pombreda> ~ve-installing
[01:28:12] <pombreda> ~jem a msut must!
[01:28:17] <pombreda> ~ve-install
[01:28:24] <pombreda> KOS-MOS!
[01:28:30] <pombreda> KOS-MOS: help me dude
[01:28:33] <andreus> installed VE, not emf.. my bad, thought emf was something for uml modeling
[01:29:04] <pombreda> this is general model facility
[01:29:09] <pombreda> not only for uml
[01:29:14] <pombreda> andreus: Check out this wiki article - http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Installing
[01:29:21] <pombreda> and follow step by step
[01:29:35] <andreus> thank you pombreda
[01:29:51] <pombreda> andreus:  :-P
[01:30:11] <pombreda> andreus: slap me with a dead trout if that does not work for you
[01:30:19] <pombreda> andreus: you know where to find me
[01:30:30] * pombreda gets back to doing what he does best. nothing
[01:30:32] <andreus> :)
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[01:34:11] <celske> is there a way to get eclipse CDT to highlight more c++ functions than it does?
[01:36:31] <Yaroslv1> pombreda: tried it, same problem
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[01:40:59] <railbait> What's common to use for Swing development in Eclipse? Do most people go vanilla and write it by hand or use a roundtrip solution?
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[02:03:45] <sadas> I have a project that I want to sync with an svn repository, but the project is not yet associated with a repository
[02:04:27] <sadas> When I try to add the repository through Team->Share Project, it tells me that the folder already exists on the server (which it should)
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[02:05:28] <sadas> "Folder 'xxxx' already exists in the repository. You must specify a folder name that does not already exist."
[02:05:32] <sadas> What am I doing wrong?
[02:05:46] <celske> is there a way to get eclipse CDT to highlight more c++ functions than it does?
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[02:12:13] <rcjsuen> zeke: Hi
[02:13:37] <rcjsuen> ~add ve-install Trying to install the Visual Editor? See http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Installing
[02:13:37] <KOS-MOS> The new keyword "ve-install" has been stored. In the future, you can ask me about "ve-install" and I will respond.
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[02:18:36] <rcjsuen> sadas: Team > Synchronize?
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[02:43:50] <pombreda> Yaroslv1: tried what?
[02:44:38] <pombreda> meed to run.
[02:44:40] <pombreda> bbl
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[02:45:23] <mohbana> hello everyone
[02:45:28] <rcjsuen> mohbana: Hi
[02:45:58] <mohbana> how come java.until.scanner is missing from the eclipse that comes with fedora 8?
[02:47:12] <rcjsuen> Missing?
[02:47:17] <rcjsuen> Sounds more like a JRE problem.
[02:48:32] <mohbana> putting : after a name makes it appear red right to the usser?
[02:48:49] <rcjsuen> wha?
[02:49:12] <rcjsuen> mohbana: What is the error?
[02:49:25] <mohbana> how did you get it highlight when u talk to me
[02:49:30] <mohbana> sorry about diverting
[02:49:51] <rcjsuen> that's what your client is doing
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[02:56:20] <mohbana> ok i am gonna do a reinstall of eclipse on fedora 8, what do you guys reocmmend
[02:57:29] <rcjsuen> mohbana: Get a supported JRE like one from Sun, IBM, or BEA. And download Eclipse from eclipse.org.
[02:58:35] <mohbana> i am very new to linux, do you still recommend that? will it solve all the dependencies for me?
[02:59:05] <rcjsuen> Yes, I still recommend you do that.
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[02:59:12] <rcjsuen> I recommend that to veterans and beginners.
[03:02:40] <mohbana> ok you said jre what about the sdk?
[03:02:46] <mohbana> does that come with eclipse?
[03:03:14] <rcjsuen> well, if you're writing java code, then yes, get a JDK
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[03:06:04] <rcjsuen> sax parsing is no fun
[03:06:09] <rcjsuen> but dom parsing takes too much ram and time
[03:06:10] <rcjsuen> gah
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[03:23:03] <mohbana> silly question but is the api of gcj any different from the sun version?
[03:23:24] <mohbana> what is icedt
[03:24:00] <rcjsuen> mohbana: Did you try googling?
[03:25:36] <rcjsuen> mohbana: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IcedTea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea
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[03:26:40] <d_a_carver> gcj and eclipse equal crashy eclipse.
[03:27:06] <d_a_carver> IcedTea is supposed to be the new way the linux distros are going.
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[03:44:21] <mohbana> ok are there any guides to installing suns jre and sdk
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[03:58:10] <rcjsuen> mohbana: Dunno, I don't use Fedora. Did you try googling?
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[05:25:01] <SKuhn> hi, I get following error: Warning: Detected recursive attempt by part de.oio.mdsd.tools.guiModel.guiModeler.diagram.part.GUI_OIO_DiagramEditorID to create itself (this is probably, but not necessarily, a bug)
[05:25:51] <SKuhn> but just if I call MessageDialog.openWarning(getSite().getShell(),"Fehler","ich bin falsch");
[05:26:00] <rcjsuen> I wouldn't _really_ worry about it. But yes, it could potentially be a bug.
[05:26:22] <rcjsuen> I've seen it before, potentially caused by a thread being created "twice".
[05:26:27] <SKuhn> hi rcjsuen ... you're always here when I need help, awesome :)
[05:26:38] <rcjsuen> It doesn't mean I know the answer.
[05:27:05] <SKuhn> ahh, let me check it
[05:27:08] <rcjsuen> So if you comment that line out you don't get this error?
[05:27:17] <SKuhn> exactly
[05:27:20] <rcjsuen> Hard for me to believe that dialog has anything to do with the error.
[05:27:37] <rcjsuen> Unless the getSite() is causing problems I suppose.
[05:27:52] <SKuhn> let me try
[05:28:05] <rcjsuen> Although that's probably not likely.
[05:28:29] <SKuhn> Shell s = getSite().getShell();
[05:28:32] <SKuhn> works
[05:28:54] <rcjsuen> Figures.
[05:29:21] <SKuhn> Figures?
[05:29:46] <SKuhn> I'm using this line in a draw2d/gef/gmf program
[05:32:11] <SKuhn> rcjsuen: http://rafb.net/p/rm6xvo92.html
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[05:36:07] <rcjsuen> If you called Display's readAndDispatch() the same thing would probably happen
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[07:09:12] <andreus> pombreda, back. yep, followed the instruction you gave me and now it works fine. now i have another but i guess it is java related. thing is if i don't use pack() before viewing i see an empty window.. like all of the components are scattered around?
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[09:09:23] <rohan> does eclipse have some sort of an enmity with java se 6? http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/eclipse_project_plan_3_4.html ---> it's not in the list of reference platforms even for eclipse 3.4
[09:10:39] <zeke> hello?
[09:12:30] <rohan> zeke: you're asking for a greeting or..? ;)
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[09:17:31] <zeke> No I need help with resources in eclipse on linux.
[09:17:41] <zeke> I'm trying to get swt working.
[09:17:48] <zeke> I'm experienced using swing...
[09:17:52] <zeke> But SWT is my preference.
[09:18:47] <zeke> I'm running the default Synaptec install which is 3.2.2
[09:20:37] <zeke> I've been trying to go through swt.
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[09:46:02] <zeke_> swt!
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[09:47:25] <arooni> anyway to do spell checking as i code in eclipse?
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[11:15:34] <probonono> Is there a documented procedure for isolating problems when eclipse won't start? I've got problems after performing a system (FreeBSD) update.
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[12:06:50] <njbartlett_> ~tell probonono about logs
[12:06:51] <KOS-MOS> probonono: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
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[12:27:46] <probonono> njbartlett_, thanks, but my problems are to do with getting eclipse running at all. Looks like it's a java compatibility issue, turns out there was an update to the freebsd port two days ago (I updated mine three days ago!)
[12:28:00] <njbartlett_> njbartlett_: How far does it get?
[12:28:17] <njbartlett_> Doh I'm talking to myself again
[12:30:15] <kirkt> :)
[12:36:58] <probonono> heh. It gets as far as displaying an error dialog: JVM terminated. Exit code=1 ...
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[12:51:44] <deucalion> Would it be possible to modify http://www.eclipse.org/projects/reviews-rss.php to at least let the link follow to http://www.eclipse.org/projects/whatsnew.php instead of the project portal ( http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ )? Or should I simply file a bug and wait and see? It seems a bit counterintuitive to me, that you have to click-through to get there ;-)
[12:51:48] <deucalion> thx
[12:54:13] * deucalion files a bug..
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[13:08:48] <Erik1> downloded ganymede just now, and unpacked it in /usr/local/eclipse. Started eclipse and the splash appears shortly. the disappears.... and then nothing anymore.... What is happening ????
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[13:16:36] <greengrass> hello
[13:16:57] <greengrass> anyone usig PDT?
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[13:31:40] <greengrass> heeeeloooo?
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[13:41:51] <rcjsuen> arooni: Should be able to turn it on in the preferences.
[13:42:36] <greengrass> enyone using PDT?
[13:42:37] <rcjsuen> greengrass: just ask the question instead of metaquestions
[13:43:08] <greengrass> is this possible in PDT to start auto commpletion when start wyping?
[13:43:23] <greengrass> *typing
[13:43:28] <rcjsuen> Erik1: try ./eclipse -consoleLog
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[13:44:58] <rcjsuen> greengrass: Probably not, computation could take a while.
[13:45:03] <rcjsuen> greengrass: File an enhancement request.
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[13:46:17] <rcjsuen> zeke_: Hi
[13:46:45] <Erik1> rcjsuen: thnx. I get this:
[13:46:56] <rcjsuen> Erik1: use a pastebin
[13:47:13] <rcjsuen> if it's more than two lines (which it definitely is going to be), use a pastebin
[13:47:14] <rcjsuen> ~pastebin
[13:47:15] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[13:49:46] <Erik1> rcjsuen: http://pastebin.com/m1764e2b1
[13:50:16] <rcjsuen> pombreda: ^
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[13:50:24] <rcjsuen> Erik1: that's an Ubuntu problem
[13:50:35] <Erik1> i got debian
[13:50:45] <rcjsuen> Erik1: well, "same thing"
[13:50:54] <Erik1> step back to Europa ?
[13:51:06] <rcjsuen> Jan 18 18:01:58 <pombreda>      I do not run ubuntu nbut a buddy got the issue and solved it by rolling back the latest xserver-xorg-core related update
[13:51:46] <Erik1> can I roll back ? how ? never done that...
[13:52:13] <rcjsuen> It'd suck if you can't roll back.
[13:52:18] <rcjsuen> I just Gentoo though, so I don't know the commands.
[13:52:31] <Erik1> ok... I'll find it...
[13:52:34] <Erik1> thnx
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[14:26:57] <rcjsuen> For anyone that's curious, breadcrumb support is in N20080119-0010 -> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/jdtui/files/2008/01/breadcrumb.png
[14:27:12] <rcjsuen> Get the build from here http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
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[14:31:58] <SamuraiDio> hi
[14:32:05] <rcjsuen> SamuraiDio: Hi
[14:32:10] <SamuraiDio> how do i uninstall plugins?
[14:32:25] <rcjsuen> You delete them.
[14:32:50] <SamuraiDio> but what if i dont know exactly what they are?
[14:33:02] <rcjsuen> Then you're screwed.
[14:33:54] <rcjsuen> You could potentially look at their 'features' and see what they encompass then delete those.
[14:33:58] <SamuraiDio> isnt there a lite version of eclipse, withou the java development tools? just the sdk
[14:34:04] <rcjsuen> Though that might be risky in the event that two plug-ins use the same whatever.
[14:34:08] <rcjsuen> SamuraiDio: Sure
[14:34:27] <rcjsuen> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.3.1.1-200710231652/index.php Just get the Platform Runtime Binary
[14:34:33] <celske> is there a way to get the tool eclipse CDT to highlight more functions..etc?
[14:34:35] <rcjsuen> or wait a minute
[14:34:43] <rcjsuen> SamuraiDio: no JDT but the SDK? how does that work?
[14:34:47] <SamuraiDio> i dont use the java tools, and it seens my eclipse is consuming too much memory
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[14:35:08] <rcjsuen> to write Software, you need a Software Development Kit, and you can't write Eclipse plug-ins if you can't write Java
[14:35:23] <rcjsuen> (okay that's becoming a bit of a lie now that it's possible to write plug-ins in Scala iirc, but anyway....)
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[14:39:17] <SamuraiDio> rcjsuen, should i get the _64/G
[14:39:20] <SamuraiDio> ops
[14:39:34] <SamuraiDio> rcjsuen, should i get the  Platform SDK?
[14:39:52] <rcjsuen> if you don't want the JDT, don't get the SDK, the SDK includes the JDT
[14:40:18] <SamuraiDio> ahh
[14:40:41] <SamuraiDio> ahh, sure the above it ^^
[14:41:17] <n_np> I woke up this morning and eclipse wouldn't start
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[14:42:09] <SamuraiDio> rcjsuen, if i got less plugins the plataform should be lighter, right?
[14:42:17] <rcjsuen> SamuraiDio: Yes
[14:42:30] <SamuraiDio> thanks
[14:43:45] <Erik1> rcjsuen: we talked earlier about this eclipse install problem with Ganymede, the xserver thing. I tried to reinstall Europa and got the same error. Seems the xserver update I had installed screwed the whole eclipse system...
[14:44:36] <rcjsuen> Erik1: yes, which is why i suggested you roll back the xorg update
[14:44:50] <Erik1> still trying to find that out...
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[14:52:03] <njbartlett__> rcjsuen: I think SamuraiDio doesn't really need the SDK. Not everybody knows the exact meaning of SDK in the context of Eclipse
[14:52:47] <rcjsuen> probably
[14:53:11] <njbartlett__> SamuraiDio: However, the Java tools in Eclipse don't take any memory until you actually use them. So assuming you haven't actually tried to code in Java, then having the Java tools present is not the problem.
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[14:54:27] <SamuraiDio> ok, tnx
[14:55:11] <rcjsuen> unless you started in the 'Java' perspective
[14:55:13] <rcjsuen> or something like that
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[15:11:49] <Erik1> rcjsuen: FYI: there was an update vor xserver-xorg-core very recently. I cite:  A new 2:1.1.1-21etch3 has already been prepared to fix a major regression in etch2.
[15:12:14] <Erik1> rcjsuen: this one solved the problem apparently
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[15:35:32] <rcjsuen> this breadcrumb code is pretty confusing
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[15:46:51] <Gudmundur> for some reason, eclipse always dies when I attempt to use the Open Type feature, can I somehow debug it and see what is happening? I've tried a fresh install of Eclipse and I'm running Mac OS X
[15:47:31] <rcjsuen> Gudmundur: I think that's a bug with opening another Shell.
[15:47:40] <rcjsuen> Gudmundur: Do you get the same problem with Ctrl+F and Ctrl+H?
[15:48:14] <Gudmundur> rcjsuen: not Cmd+F but Cmd+H surely killed it
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[15:50:24] <rcjsuen> try a newer build
[15:50:42] <rcjsuen> njbartlett__ might know about that one since he's on a Mac
[15:51:46] <Gudmundur> rcjsuen: where would I find a newer build? :)
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[15:52:24] <rcjsuen> on the website
[15:52:27] <rcjsuen> what are you looking at
[15:53:31] <Gudmundur> I'm running on version 3.3.1.1, Build id: M20071023-1652 now
[15:53:43] <rcjsuen> i meant where on the website are you
[15:54:30] <Gudmundur> rcjsuen: oh, there is a newer version than the one I have :) nvm that :)
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[15:55:48] <mozboz> where can i look for info on making a shortcut (for PHP) to move to the end of the line, and a semi colon, then insert a new line
[15:56:05] <mozboz> >add< a semi-colon..
[15:56:15] <Gudmundur> rcjsuen: the Cmd+H didn't kill it, it seems only to be open type
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[16:13:31] <j4ybuntux> hi
[16:14:18] <j4ybuntux> how to get eclipse displaying javadoc of the methods in (strg+space) code assistant?
[16:16:44] <d_a_carver> Erik1: yes, there was just another update to xserver-xorg-core I think either yesterday or this morning.  I didn't experience any issues on my ubuntu box though with the prior version.
[16:19:20] <Erik1> d_a_carver: well... I did....I erased my whole eclipse, my .eclipse...everything. installed the new xserver stuff, then, one by one, the Ganymede version and the PHP stuff for it. There was a  persistend workspace issue. Just now, it seems to be running again.
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[16:22:52] <Erik1> d_a_carver: the problem occurred with Europa and Ganymede on Debian Etch.
[16:24:28] <j4ybuntux> how to display javadoc in <strg+space>?
[16:26:43] <d_a_carver> Erik1: odd.   The only issue I've experience lately, and I think it's my workspace is the JDT indexes getting corrupted and have to be rebuilt.
[16:31:15] <Erik1> d_a_carver: I don't do Java...Eclipse did not start anymore, this morning. got my stomach in a knot I can tell you....been busy since then (7 hours, on and aff... Seems ok now... rebuilding and setting things up again...
[16:37:08] <d_a_carver> Erik1: understandable the frustration
[16:37:51] <Erik1> first glimpse at Ganymede is positive though...
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[16:47:41] <peter_> hello; question about gef. I try to make a figure highlightable. EditPart configuration seems to be ok, the higlight policy is plugged. the figure is also accessble e.g. over a double click (I can print a msg that a double click is registered). The difference to a working example is that my figure does not have an eventlistener FigureListener but it is not added directly in the working...
[16:47:42] <peter_> ...example. What could be the prob?
[16:49:47] <rcjsuen> j4ybuntux: it should "just work"
[16:50:03] <rcjsuen> ~tell j4ybuntux about info
[16:50:04] <KOS-MOS> j4ybuntux: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[16:51:16] <rcjsuen> Gudmundur: it should've been fixed in m3
[16:51:49] <j4ybuntux> rcjsuen , i got it work.. i did: apt-get install sun-java6-* and restarted eclipse ;) now with the source installed, it displays the javadoc, i had only the doc-package installed before
[16:51:51] <Gudmundur> Gudmundur: ok, I'm updating to the newest version to see if it's still there
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[17:05:27] <ambartur> hello
[17:06:01] <ambartur> did anybody have problems with pdt install on ubuntu?
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[17:07:13] <rcjsuen> ambartur: I'm sure people have had various problems, Ubuntu or not.
[17:07:40] <d_a_carver> ambartur: what's the problem.
[17:08:58] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver, pombreda, nitind: Delicious breadcrumbs http://imagebin.ca/view/NfJHuv.html
[17:09:26] <ambartur> it's not starting :)
[17:09:42] <rcjsuen> ambartur: Well, what do you see? Does anything appear? Do you get errors in the console?
[17:09:49] <ambartur> because of some dependencies' lack, i think
[17:09:58] <rcjsuen> We're not psychic and we can't see your screen.
[17:10:07] <rcjsuen> it'd be cool if we were, but sadly, we're not
[17:10:17] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: so did you steal the jdt code. :)
[17:10:20] <ambartur> wait, nor can I
[17:10:33] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: well, 99% of it has no dependencies on jdt
[17:11:00] <ambartur> i do some support for my friend
[17:11:01] <d_a_carver> ~info
[17:11:01] <KOS-MOS> Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[17:11:08] <d_a_carver> ~log
[17:11:09] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[17:11:38] <d_a_carver> And most importantly for linux and eclipse (even PDT) installs:
[17:11:43] <d_a_carver> ~linux-install
[17:11:44] <KOS-MOS> Trying to install Eclipse on Linux? http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_do_I_install_Eclipse_on_Linux.3F
[17:11:47] <rcjsuen> ambartur: Since both parties are not psychic, I'm afraid we'll have to use text on IRC and screenshots to convey information.
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[17:12:03] <rcjsuen> I know it's old and tedious, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
[17:12:16] <d_a_carver> And especially for ubuntu:
[17:12:18] <d_a_carver> ~gcj
[17:12:19] <KOS-MOS> GCJ is not officially supported by Eclipse as a Java runtime environment. Please talk with your distribution's packaging team and/or the GCJ team for assistance. To run Eclipse with a different JVM, see: http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I_just_installed_Eclipse_on_Linux.2C_but_it_does_not_start._What_is_the_problem.3F
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[17:12:38] <rcjsuen> ambartur: Are you on 64-bit?
[17:12:45] <ambartur> thanks, ill read it
[17:12:55] <ambartur> yes, its 64
[17:13:35] <rcjsuen> ambartur: How did you download Eclipse?
[17:13:59] <Gudmundur> rcjsuen: this appears to be something in my workspace that does this, can I somehow see what exception / reason it's going down?
[17:14:09] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: so does emonic support integrated debugging yet?
[17:14:10] <rcjsuen> ~logs
[17:14:10] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[17:14:22] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: Nope, dunno when it ever will.
[17:14:27] <ambartur> one instance is installed and working eclipse from repositories
[17:14:27] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: Mono's debugger is still in development.
[17:14:35] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: Hell, not even MonoDevelop has a debugger. ;p
[17:14:40] <d_a_carver> :)
[17:14:45] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: I know that's a sad excuse, but anyway ;)
[17:14:53] <ambartur> and i've downloaded pdt manually
[17:14:56] <ambartur> unpacked
[17:15:03] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: come on...just write your own. THAT would be an interesting School project.
[17:15:47] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: The debugger you found for me in "complete" managed code is quite interesting. Maybe I could get somewhere during 'Reading Week' (the Canadian version of Spring Break).
[17:15:58] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: But then I'd have to use Vista for that whole week. :)
[17:16:00] <ambartur> and after ./eclipse it wanted some libraries..
[17:16:12] <rcjsuen> ambartur: What did you download? Do you have the name of that tarball?
[17:16:17] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: first thing..port it to Mono.
[17:16:17] <ambartur> libgtk or sth..
[17:16:20] <rcjsuen> What instructoins were you following? What page did you get it from?
[17:16:30] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: They make kernel32.dll calls tho ;p
[17:16:41] <d_a_carver> thus the porting part.
[17:17:22] <d_a_carver> Everybody needs to know a bit of assembler, first college programming class I had to take was IBM Mainframe 370 Assembler.
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[17:17:33] <d_a_carver> And this was back in 1990
[17:17:40] <ambartur> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/tools/pdt/downloads/drops/S20071213-M1/all-in-one/pdt-all-in-one-S20071213_M1-linux-gtk.tar.gz
[17:17:41] <rcjsuen> We did some MIPS a year or two ago.
[17:17:47] <rcjsuen> ambartur: That is _not_ a 64-bit build.
[17:17:52] <rcjsuen> zeke_: Hi, did you solve your SWT problems?
[17:18:03] <zeke_> No...
[17:18:08] <zeke_> can you help?
[17:18:15] <rcjsuen> zeke_: Only one way to find out.
[17:18:21] <zeke_> <3
[17:19:16] <zeke_> Ok right now I think the most pertinent thing is that Unable to read classpath.
[17:19:27] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: The other developers are looking into interfacing with Mono's debugger through web servies (which I guess would support remote debugging also) or just console IO with the command line debugger.
[17:19:28] <ambartur> rcjsuen: 32b build won't run?
[17:19:42] <rcjsuen> ambartur: Unless you have 32-bit gtk+ libraries, a 32-bit VM, and other 32-bit "things".
[17:19:47] <zeke_> And I'm so new to Eclipse I can't get the viewer to show the linux.x86 classpath thing.
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[17:20:17] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: I think that through the console is how CDT interfaces with the command line debugger...sends the commands and then scrapes the results.
[17:20:27] <rcjsuen> Yes, I think that is how they do it too.
[17:20:50] <ambartur> isnt there any 64bit build of pdt?
[17:20:51] <rcjsuen> "Unable to read classpath"? "viewer"?
[17:20:53] <rcjsuen> What is the problem?
[17:20:56] <rcjsuen> YOu can't write SWT code?
[17:20:59] <rcjsuen> The program won't run?
[17:21:06] <rcjsuen> zeke_: Give us all the information you can give us.
[17:21:07] <zeke_> can't write swt code.
[17:21:09] <rcjsuen> ~tell zeke_ about info
[17:21:10] <KOS-MOS> zeke_: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[17:21:18] <rcjsuen> ~tell ambartur about pdt-install
[17:21:19] <KOS-MOS> ambartur: Trying to install PDT? - http://wiki.eclipse.org/PDT/FAQ#Installation
[17:21:25] <zeke_> x86 linux Kubuntu.
[17:21:34] <zeke_> Gutsy
[17:22:07] <zeke_> Eclipse 3.2.2
[17:22:23] <d_a_carver> where did you get eclipse from the apt repository?
[17:22:44] <zeke_> yes
[17:22:52] <d_a_carver> ~linux-install
[17:22:52] <KOS-MOS> Trying to install Eclipse on Linux? http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_do_I_install_Eclipse_on_Linux.3F
[17:22:55] <d_a_carver> ~gcj
[17:22:55] <KOS-MOS> GCJ is not officially supported by Eclipse as a Java runtime environment. Please talk with your distribution's packaging team and/or the GCJ team for assistance. To run Eclipse with a different JVM, see: http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I_just_installed_Eclipse_on_Linux.2C_but_it_does_not_start._What_is_the_problem.3F
[17:23:32] <zeke_> So I don't have the right compiler for use with swt?
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[17:23:35] <d_a_carver> zeke_: 99% of your problems is caused by the use of gcj and ubuntu-s packaging of eclispe, I would suspect.
[17:23:51] <zeke_> I tried a seperate install with similar results.
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[17:24:08] <d_a_carver> and what java runtime did you use.
[17:24:36] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: Do you know a good page that explains how to install one of the supported JREs on Ubuntu / Linux?
[17:24:38] <d_a_carver> the default with Kubuntu and  Ubuntu is gcj, which is known to have problems with eclipse.
[17:24:39] <zeke_> Whatever comes with the system... it compiles helloworld fine :(
[17:24:55] <rcjsuen> zeke_: As you can imagine, Hello World isn't the most advanced of applications.
[17:25:10] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[17:25:19] <rcjsuen> zeke_: http://flurdy.com/docs/eclipse/install.html
[17:25:26] <rcjsuen> zeke_: "First Sun's Java JDK:" a key step
[17:25:54] <d_a_carver> zeke_: And I personally would stick with 1.5/5.0 instad of 6.0/1.6
[17:27:00] <zeke_> I'm getting six yearg.
[17:27:01] <zeke_> Ok...
[17:27:23] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: Thx.
[17:28:00] <zeke_> Ok I'll try that and get back in here if there are still problems. Thanks for the help!
[17:28:31] <rcjsuen> ~add ubuntu-java Trying to get Java running on Ubuntu Linux? Is someone in the channel saying some foreign phrase like "a supported JRE"? Look here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[17:28:32] <KOS-MOS> The new keyword "ubuntu-java" has been stored. In the future, you can ask me about "ubuntu-java" and I will respond.
[17:28:49] <rcjsuen> zeke_: Good luck, let us know if you need more help.
[17:28:51] <rcjsuen> ambartur: How goes?
[17:29:06] <rcjsuen> Gudmundur: You still crash on 3.4m4?
[17:29:46] <Gudmundur> rcjsuen: it's not crashing on the latest release on an entirely new workspace, so it must either be a plugin I've installed or some configuration that does it
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[17:30:03] <rcjsuen> I see.
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[17:31:00] <d_a_carver> gotta run
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[17:31:36] <ambartur> rcjsuen: tx for all,its gonna work i think
[17:31:45] <ambartur> b4n
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[17:46:03] <cruss1> I am loving SWT... just wanted to say that.
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[17:48:10] <rcjsuen> cruss1: Good to hear.
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[18:04:20] <zeke_> Ok I done installed the jvm.... now for swt!
[18:05:27] <rcjsuen> Is the TWISTIE style bit in ExpandableComposite completely drawn by GCs?
[18:06:13] <rcjsuen> It seems that way but I'm not sure.
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[18:07:54] <zeke_> unable to read .classpath file of project org.ecipse.swt and org.eclipse.swt does not exist in this plugin.
[18:07:57] <zeke_> Little help?
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[18:10:16] <rcjsuen> How did you create the project?
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[18:14:39] <rcjsuen> I would just do
[18:14:44] <rcjsuen> File > New > Project > Plug-in Project
[18:14:50] <rcjsuen> put a name, Next
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[18:14:57] <rcjsuen> Uncheck generate activator and contribute to UI
[18:14:59] <rcjsuen> Finish
[18:15:23] <rcjsuen> open my MANIFEST.MF file, open the 'Dependencies' tab, add org.eclipse.swt, the end
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[18:18:09] <zeke_> Me?
[18:18:19] <rcjsuen> yes, you
[18:20:29] <zeke_> I was with you until manifest.mf.
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[18:20:46] <rcjsuen> Dependencies tab, on the bottom of the editor
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[18:20:57] <rcjsuen> 'Overview' > 'Dependencies' > etc
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[18:21:09] <rcjsuen> Required Plug-ins, Add button, org.eclipse.swt
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[18:22:45] <zeke_> Ok did that.
[18:22:50] <zeke_> Anyway to test if it's working?
[18:23:02] <rcjsuen> zeke_: Start writing SWT code in thta project?
[18:23:49] <zeke_> allright thanks
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[18:27:23] <zeke_> org.eclipse.swt isn't showing up in auto complete for methods.
[18:27:44] <zeke_> Is there a method I can try, the include statement doesn't put up an error any kind of validation...
[18:27:55] <rcjsuen> Eh?
[18:28:08] <rcjsuen> just try to create a display or something
[18:28:11] <rcjsuen> Display display = new Display();
[18:28:19] <rcjsuen> And then use Ctrl+Shift+O and see if it gets imported.
[18:35:02] <zeke_> It seems happy.
[18:36:11] <zeke_> I have a question... is there some way to make it just run the class as the last chosen execution?
[18:36:44] <rcjsuen> "just run the class"?
[18:36:48] <rcjsuen> Ctrl+F11?
[18:36:56] <rcjsuen> You mean the class you are currently editing?
[18:37:02] <rcjsuen> _instead_ of the last one?
[18:37:46] <zeke_> When I hit play... or run... it prompts the create manage and run configurations.
[18:37:56] <zeke_> And doesn't remember my previous choice for this class or project.
[18:38:10] <rcjsuen> It 'should work'.
[18:38:14] <rcjsuen> Did you try Ctrl+F11?
[18:38:44] <zeke_> That doesn't do anything, did I mention I was in linux?
[18:39:20] <rcjsuen> Yes, you did.
[18:39:23] <rcjsuen> zeke_: I am on Linux.
[18:39:31] <rcjsuen> Run > Run Last Launched
[18:39:38] <jpospychala> zeke_ how do you launch your project? using button, context menu?
[18:40:20] <zeke_> Well I used to use javac.
[18:40:30] <jpospychala> no i mean in eclipse
[18:41:00] <zeke_> Sorry my irc humour function is not working properly.
[18:41:03] <jpospychala> if you press the green button in toolbar, you can configure it to launch the same configuration that was last launched
[18:41:23] <jpospychala> in Window -> Preferences -> Run/Debug -> Launching at the bottom in "Launch Operation" group
[18:41:57] <zeke_> It's not adding to favorites.
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[18:44:30] <zeke_> I don't see a launch operation group.
[18:44:46] <jpospychala> which eclipse version do you have?
[18:45:24] <zeke_> 3.2.2
[18:46:16] <jpospychala> ah that's bad. feature i'm talking about in in >= 3.3
[18:46:48] <zeke_> It should just remember last choice... I can't imagine they got past 1.0 without that.
[18:47:01] <zeke_> back in 5...
[18:47:04] <zeke_> Moving somehting.
[18:52:16] <jpospychala> weird, 3.2.2 is launching my last choice, not asking me to manage any run configurations. it's probably sth wrong with your linux ;)
[18:52:32] <zeke_> Super :)
[18:52:54] <zeke_> Well that's just nit picking... Thanks so much guys :)]
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[19:00:05] <zx> If you find an issue, file a bug against Debug with a series of reproducible steps
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[19:01:00] <ninix> hi
[19:01:01] <zeke_> I've reinstalled 5 times, there's no way I can reproduce.
[19:01:13] <rcjsuen> ninix: Hi
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[19:01:34] <ninix> im search why my C++ index is so slow (CTRL+SPACE) ....... can i make a FULL index one time for be more fast?
[19:01:36] <zeke_> I've got a warning though...  unavailable execution environment cdc-1.0/foundation-1.0
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[19:06:52] <zeke_> org.eclipse.swt has buildpath errors.
[19:07:02] <zeke_> Unable to read .classpath file of project.
[19:07:14] <jpospychala> did you get it from cvs?
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[19:09:01] <zeke_> I don't think so.
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[19:09:22] <zeke_> Should I send my log file?
[19:10:29] <jpospychala> then i don't know. but maybe that helps: switch to resources perspective. do you see many .classpath files? rename one eg. .classpath_gtk to .classpath
[19:11:28] <zeke_> When I go to resource view I only see the editor. Everything else is minimized.
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[19:13:21] <huhlig> is there a seperate help channel for visual editor
[19:13:22] <huhlig> ?
[19:13:27] <huhlig> or is this the place
[19:13:50] <zeke_> Package explorer shows up and there aren't any classpath files in the ... .swt.gtk.linux.x86
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[19:15:58] <huhlig> I am having a problem with visual editor
[19:16:01] <huhlig> its showing up
[19:16:10] <huhlig> but the pallet is empty and it shows no shell
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[19:21:03] <jpospychala> zeke_: so you have projects org.eclipse.swt and org.eclipse.swt.gtk.linux.x86 right? where did you get them from?
[19:22:07] <rcjsuen> huhlig: i'd try filing a bug or asking on the ve newsgrou
[19:22:14] <huhlig> ok
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[19:29:01] <pombreda> rcjsuen: the breadcrumbs are your making?
[19:29:14] <rcjsuen> pombreda: no
[19:29:17] <rcjsuen> pombreda: i just copied jdt code
[19:29:28] <rcjsuen> pombreda: just telling the world "this isn't hard"
[19:29:36] <pombreda> :-)
[19:29:37] <rcjsuen> it'll probably get pushed down at some point
[19:29:48] <pombreda> that shoudl be in platform ui, imho not in jdt :-P
[19:29:57] <rcjsuen> ye
[19:29:58] <pombreda> you mean pushed up?
[19:30:15] <pombreda> just a matter of where you think the platform lies
[19:30:19] <rcjsuen> true
[19:30:22] <pombreda> above or below
[19:30:23] <rcjsuen> i said down cuz i thought of "base"
[19:30:24] <pombreda> :-D
[19:30:29] <rcjsuen> but could also be like upstream
[19:30:32] <rcjsuen> it's hard going upstream
[19:30:36] <rcjsuen> like salmon swimming upstream
[19:30:39] <pombreda> hehe
[19:30:45] <rcjsuen> "Moving to JDT as the first cut (3.4) will be for Java editor only. Might be pushed down later."
[19:30:48] <pombreda> they usually die when they are done
[19:30:51] <rcjsuen> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=210830#c19
[19:30:53] <rcjsuen> Dani agrees :)
[19:31:11] <pombreda> then the platform is down
[19:31:17] <pombreda> in the absement
[19:31:22] <pombreda> and no slamon dies
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[19:31:32] <pombreda> *basement
[19:31:39] <pombreda> *salmon
[19:33:22] <rcjsuen> Personally I'm not seeing too much use out of the breadcrumbs.
[19:33:31] <rcjsuen> I usually just use Open Type or Open Resource.
[19:33:35] <rcjsuen> but oh well, maybe it'll grow on me
[19:33:43] <rcjsuen> i mean, it's staring at my face all the time (althoug hyes you can toggle it)
[19:33:46] <rcjsuen> i'm sure i'll find a use
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[19:35:42] <pombreda> it takes some valuable vertical space on the editing area
[19:36:02] <rcjsuen> pombreda: there's a style bit you can set to VERTICAL actually
[19:36:03] <rcjsuen> lemme try that
[19:36:27] <rcjsuen> wow
[19:36:31] <rcjsuen> i don't think anyone's going to use that
[19:36:54] <rcjsuen> it just stacks one on top of the other
[19:37:01] <rcjsuen> but it still takes completey horizontal space
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[19:39:48] <rcjsuen> pombreda: my eyes, they burn http://imagebin.ca/img/mjnejPqD.jpg
[19:43:15] <pombreda> rcjsuen: acouh 8-|
[19:43:24] <pombreda> *ouch
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[19:43:46] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[19:43:55] <MetaMorfoziS> does anybody uses avr-eclipse?
[19:44:10] <MetaMorfoziS> Or dos anybody know, how can i change the library that it uses for make?
[19:44:35] <MetaMorfoziS> i want to get avr-gcc to use /usr/avr/include (which is provided by avr-libc) instad of /usr/lib/gcc/avr...
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[19:46:59] <karltk> rcjsuen: would you happen to code C# in Eclipse?
[19:48:33] <pombreda> karltk: yo, gentoo karl! rcjsuen contributes to http://sourceforge.net/projects/emonic
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[19:50:37] <rcjsuen> karltk: Hi karltk
[19:50:52] <rcjsuen> karltk: Actually, as odd as it may sound, no.
[19:51:02] <pombreda> MetaMorfoziS: that should be a CDT setting I guess
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[19:51:21] <pombreda> bbiam
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[19:51:34] <rcjsuen> karltk: Which gives me a strange (and rather uninformed? ;)) perspective compared to the other developers on the Emonic team.
[19:51:39] <SR71-Blackbird> hey i'm getting this error
[19:51:56] <SR71-Blackbird> 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[19:51:56] <SR71-Blackbird>   (Details: serial 381 error_code 11 request_code 146 minor_code 5
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[19:54:24] <rcjsuen> SR71-Blackbird: getting this error...where?
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[19:54:50] <SR71-Blackbird> rcjsuen, i was running easy eclipse based on eclipse 3.2
[19:54:53] <SR71-Blackbird> on ubuntu
[19:54:58] <jpospychala> rcjsuen: google says it's something from gtk: http://www.google.pl/search?q=serial+381+error_code+11+request_code+146+minor_code+5
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[19:55:32] <SR71-Blackbird> rcjsuen, seems like the problem  can be traced back to xserver-xorg-core upgrade from ubuntu that came yesterday
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[19:55:44] <rcjsuen> SR71-Blackbird: yeah, that upgrade's causing a lot of grief
[19:55:48] <SR71-Blackbird> rcjsuen, not sure tho
[19:56:33] <SR71-Blackbird> rcjsuen, geezz... was running eclipse already when i upgraded.. so probably didn't find it out
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[20:00:20] <das6745> hi. who knows how to change string completition dialog (templates)?
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[20:00:40] <SR71-Blackbird> rcjsuen, seems the newer upgrade today solved it
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[20:02:16] <rcjsuen> das6745: Define "change"
[20:02:25] <rcjsuen> in what way, what are you trying to do, what do you want to do, what editor are you in
[20:03:01] <das6745> i want to change background color, sry
[20:03:37] <rcjsuen> das6745: try Window > Preferences > Java > Editor
[20:07:52] <das6745> didn't help. the problem is that green font on yellow bg isn't readable =), it's in pydev editor on ctrl+space
[20:08:03] <rcjsuen> then check the python preferences
[20:09:04] <das6745> i have chek
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[20:09:13] <das6745> nothing useful
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[20:11:36] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen, nitind: Sample of the WST Incubator XSLT project: http://imagebin.org/13214
[20:12:09] <rcjsuen> ooo
[20:12:23] <das6745> wow! but ...->java->editor changes work nice in jave project, it seems to be pydev developer fault, thx2all
[20:18:23] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: Hoping for Monday for a M build for the community.
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[20:22:45] <Zerone> ello :)
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[20:47:09] <dajudge> hi all
[20:47:14] <paulweb515_> hi
[20:47:47] <dajudge> i am trying to get hibernate annotations working inside a RCP application - the problem seems to be the bundleresource:// url format - anyone in with experience in that area?
[20:48:29] <zx|cafe> dajudge: FileLocator.resolve
[20:48:44] <zx|cafe> dajudge: that should give you the converted path
[20:49:09] <dajudge> right - but that would imply changing hibernate source code?
[20:49:14] <karltk> rcjsuen: ok. just wondering.
[20:49:30] <karltk> rcjsuen: looking for a decent c# plugin for eclipse
[20:49:40] <rcjsuen> karltk: I don't even really know C# actually. ;)
[20:49:51] <karltk> rcjsuen: I suppose at least I should try emonic.
[20:50:06] <rcjsuen> karltk: CVS version is superior if you want to give it a whilr.
[20:50:07] <karltk> rcjsuen: me either, but I've need to do some patching on a c# project soon.
[20:51:11] <karltk> rcjsuen: I'll check it out, then (in the cvs sense;)
[20:51:43] <dajudge> zx|cafe: I don't really have influence on the way hibernate annotations accesses jar files... I read up some stuff on the hibernate bugtrackers saying that this is a problem with eclipse lacking support of proper handling of bundleresource:// urls when accessed in certain ways?
[20:52:10] <rcjsuen> i guess for plug-ins like these CVS is almost always better
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[20:53:25] <zx|cafe> dajudge: I'm not sure what the problem is exactly, but I know that bundleresource URLs are specially encoded and FileLocator within Eclipse can parse them and resolve them
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[20:54:53] <dajudge> zx|cafe: what hibernate actually tries to do seems to be to extract a JAR filename from the URL (like bundleresource://111/META-INF/persistence.xml) resulting in something like "bundleresource://111" and using URL.openStream() to get hold of the JARs contents - if I am right this should be supposed to work but fails due to eclipse not handling that case correctly?
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[20:56:30] <splatch_> hello
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[20:56:54] <rcjsuen> splatch_: Hi
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[20:57:42] <zx|cafe> dajudge: ideally, hibernate should be using Bundle.getEntry() and from there it should be possible to openStream and have it work
[20:57:57] <zx|cafe> dajudge: It's hard to see what's going on w/o an actual debugger or small test case showing the problem :)
[20:59:05] <dajudge> zx|cafe: I doubt hibernate people will introduce some eclipse dependency via Bundle.getEntry() :)
[20:59:24] <dajudge> zx|cafe: i have some debug output with a stack trace that might help you... interested?
[20:59:45] <zx|cafe> dajudge: feel free to post a trace via pastebin
[20:59:55] <dajudge> zx|cafe: http://pastebin.com/m46e7f436
[21:00:20] <dajudge> zx|cafe: at least it gives an idea about what's going on
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[21:01:02] <dajudge> zx|cafe: the basic idea behind hibernate annotations is to have the code search available JARs for EJB annotated classes - and that's what it's trying to do with bundleresource:/ urls here
[21:01:44] <d_a_carver> zx|cafe: sneek peek: http://imagebin.org/13214
[21:03:25] <zx|cafe> dajudge: is it supposed to fetch the persistence.xml, that's it? Why is it attempting to openstream on a directory?
[21:03:59] <rcjsuen> Looks like IDEA's versio nof breadcrumbs http://blogs.jetbrains.com/yole/images/NavBar.png
[21:04:29] <dajudge> zx|cafe: the actual access to persistence.xml works (that's hibernate core) but the URL of that file is used in hibernate annotations to get hold of the JAR containing the persistence.xml file and searching it for annotated classes - that's where things start to go wrong
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[21:06:51] <jpospychala> dajudge: JAR this time turns to be directory. why hibernate assumes that URL is pointing to JAR?
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[21:07:48] <zx|cafe> dajudge: ah I got it, I think hibernate should use another way to get the location of the JAR, the problem is that URL is encoded and the only way to decode it would be to use Equinox/Eclipse APIs (org.eclipse.core.runtime.FileLocator)
[21:08:04] <zx|cafe> d_a_carver: nice, we need to get you guys some icons :)
[21:08:58] <dajudge> jpospychala: I am somewhat certain they also gracefully handle the case of directories instead of JARs in hibernate... the original problem is that hibernate doesn't really know what to do with bundleresource:// urls - or eclipse not fully implementing proper access via these URLs for that matter
[21:09:47] <dajudge> zx|cafe: now _that_ might actually be a problem - i don't really believe hibernate developers are so eager to introduce eclipse dependencies really
[21:10:49] <d_a_carver> zx|cafe: looks like we are on track for a M build this next week, hoping for Monday or Tuesday.
[21:11:24] <zx|cafe> d_a_carver: nice, it will be a good time to get community feedback, you should probably aim to sync up with the M5 release and offer people an easy way to try it out
[21:11:52] <d_a_carver> zx|cafe: our plan is to synch with wtps next M release.
[21:12:02] <zx|cafe> d_a_carver: oh ya, you're on their schedule >:)
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[21:12:20] <zx|cafe> ok, have to run, be on later
[21:12:23] <d_a_carver> zx|cafe: no plan to include it through currently in ganaymed
[21:13:12] <zx|cafe> d_a_carver: ok, it's possible still if all the deps get through the IP review process (or at least filed before the 31st of Jan)
[21:13:18] <zx|cafe> peace!
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[21:13:55] <dajudge> zx|cafe: so the big question is really: file a bug report with hibernate people (but I guess it's not really their job to compensate for eclipse specific behaviour) - or one with eclipse (where I don't know if they even have a good way of solving the issue)...
[21:14:41] <jpospychala> dajudge: ah so it would need answering, why hibernate decides to use InputStreamZippedJarVisitor to approach something that it doesn't know. = debug somewhere in Ejb3Configuration.addMetadataFromVisitor, how it determines the visitor.
[21:16:05] <dajudge> jpospychala: actually you're right, but I don't believe that would really solve the problem - the real issue is that it requires code that depends on eclipse libraries to actually resolves these URLs - something hibernate developers probably won't like
[21:16:06] <Matrix9> How do you import an existing project it was originally on windows eclipse and I want to now add it to my linux eclipse? do you just go new - general project?
[21:16:17] <jpospychala> maybe it's eclipse giving bad hints, eg. returning isFile()=true for given URL, or hibernate making wrong assumptions
[21:17:27] <jpospychala> but from your stacktrace it seems, this code is in place - java.net.URL.openStream calls org.eclipse.osgi.framjework stuff that's resolving URL correctly
[21:18:13] <jpospychala> but can't open stream on directory
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[21:18:49] <dajudge> jpospsychala: I read up some hibernate thread where a hibernate developer actually requested putting some pressure on eclipse people to resolve this issue with bundleresource URLs - without putting blame on anyone this case somewhat looks like he's right on this one...
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[21:24:51] <dajudge> jpospsychala: i'm just asking - it doesn't really matter to me where to file the bug report - it's more an issue of who's job it is to fix this thing...
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[21:25:43] <MetaMorfoziS> can i add extra functions to the makefile?
[21:25:59] <MetaMorfoziS> or can i bind a command to somewhere easy-to-access place?
[21:26:09] <MetaMorfoziS> for example hotkeys...
[21:26:31] <MetaMorfoziS> I'm programming an avr (in c) and with ctrl-b it compiles, but i need to upload the code...
[21:26:55] <MetaMorfoziS> and i want that also do easy like this
[21:27:27] <rcjsuen> well, that assumes you can actually bind keys to that action
[21:27:32] <rcjsuen> ~keys
[21:27:33] <KOS-MOS> For a list of available key bindings press Ctrl + Shift + L. To configure your key bindings, see Window > Preference > General > Keys. See also http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#What.27s_the_key_for_....3F
[21:28:17] <MetaMorfoziS> thanks
[21:28:35] <jpospychala> dajudge: go ahead and file bug in bugs.eclipse.org: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Equinox
[21:29:28] <dajudge> jpospychala: thanks for the help - i'll pack together a bug report tomorrow and file it...
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[21:33:40] <dajudge> zx|cafe: thanks for the help!
[21:35:17] <Matrix9> I keep getting this error: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space  Don't have enough memory?
[21:35:36] <rcjsuen> ~memory
[21:35:37] <KOS-MOS> Having memory problems? Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I.27m_having_memory.2C_heap.2C_or_permgen_problems.2C_what_can_I_do.3F and http://eclipsenuggets.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-your-eclipse-3.html
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[21:53:04] <d_a_carver> Matrix9: if you have your projects in version control all you have to do is check them out...I've also been able to share the same workspace between my windows system and linux system in the past.
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[21:53:57] <Matrix9> d_a_carver, I was import to import it by going into import - and then import project
[21:54:26] <d_a_carver> Matrix9: that will work too.
[21:54:28] <nitind> You can also find it in the CVS Repositories view, but whatever works.
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[22:01:55] <ScofieLBag> hi
[22:02:20] <rcjsuen> ScofieLBag: Hi
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[22:02:32] <ScofieLBag> rcjsuen can i ask something?
[22:03:14] <rcjsuen> ~ask
[22:03:14] <KOS-MOS> If you have a question, just ask, don't ask if you can ask a question.
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[22:03:19] <ScofieLBag> sorri
[22:03:20] <ScofieLBag> sorri
[22:03:21] <ScofieLBag> ok
[22:03:29] <ScofieLBag> i m usin vista
[22:03:35] <ScofieLBag> and i can't write c++ code in it
[22:03:38] <ScofieLBag> in eclipse
[22:04:06] <rcjsuen> Did you download a C/C++ plug-in?
[22:04:09] <ScofieLBag> yes
[22:04:19] <rcjsuen> (Although technically you could write in any language since you could just use it as a text editor)
[22:04:23] <rcjsuen> So what do you mean by "can't"
[22:04:58] <ScofieLBag> i want to use features of eclipse
[22:05:17] <d_a_carver> ~tell ScofieLBag about cdt-faq
[22:05:17] <KOS-MOS> ScofieLBag: Looking for all of the answers related to CDT, or just most of them?  Check out the mighty CDT-FAQ (http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/User/FAQ).
[22:05:23] <d_a_carver> ~cdt
[22:05:24] <KOS-MOS> Take a look at the C/C++ Development Tools - http://www.eclipse.org/cdt
[22:05:34] <ScofieLBag> ok than you very much
[22:07:50] <jesper_> anyone know what "Stopped due to shared library event" error means?
[22:08:07] <jesper_> I get it when I try to run debug in eclipse
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[22:08:51] <ninix> is there a way to get working the code completition ........
[22:09:04] <ninix> ctrl+space take 5 sec ...
[22:09:11] <rcjsuen> ninix: In what language?
[22:09:14] <rcjsuen> ~tell ninix about info
[22:09:15] <KOS-MOS> ninix: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[22:10:11] <ninix> C++, Ubuntu x86 Eclipse 3.2
[22:10:12] <d_a_carver> jesper_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/stopped-due-to-shared-library-event-failed-to-read-a-valid-object-file...-513751/
[22:10:43] <rcjsuen> ninix: You might want to try CDT 4 that's build on Eclipse 3.3.
[22:10:44] <d_a_carver> ~tell ninix about cdt-faq
[22:10:44] <KOS-MOS> ninix: Looking for all of the answers related to CDT, or just most of them?  Check out the mighty CDT-FAQ (http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/User/FAQ).
[22:11:05] <rcjsuen> http://www.eclipse.org/epp/download.php
[22:11:26] <Zerone> ehh ello rcjsuen :)
[22:11:30] <rcjsuen> hi
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[22:15:01] <ninix> bah......
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[22:15:14] <rcjsuen> ninix: ?
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[22:16:01] <Zerone> :P
[22:16:49] <d_a_carver> ScofieLBag: One other place you might want to check is this site: http://wascana.sourceforge.net/
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[22:17:07] <dagnachew> hi all
[22:17:13] <d_a_carver> hey
[22:17:16] <dagnachew> what is the best ERD plugin ?
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[22:17:30] <dagnachew> ERD design plugin
[22:17:40] <ninix> rcjsuen: my include path is full.... with all QT4 Include....... im tryin to Rebuild my index with the C/C++ Indexer
[22:17:49] <d_a_carver> dagnachew: I've used clay: http://www.azzurri.jp/en/software/clay/
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[22:19:09] <dagnachew> d_a_carver, is it free ?
[22:19:15] <d_a_carver> dagnachew: yes.
[22:19:23] <dagnachew> dear lord
[22:19:40] <dagnachew> d_a_carver, is there other ERD design plugins ?
[22:20:08] <d_a_carver> danachew: you can check here: http://eclipse-plugins.info/eclipse/index.jsp
[22:20:57] <d_a_carver> or here: http://eclipseplugincentral.com/
[22:21:08] <dagnachew> ok
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[22:22:32] <ninix> rcjsuen: same result..... my version of eclipse is; 3.2.2 and CDT seem to be : 3.1.1 ......... is it too old?
[22:22:45] <rcjsuen> Same result?
[22:22:53] <rcjsuen> You mean it is slow with Eclipse 3.3 and CDT 4.0 also?
[22:24:20] <ninix> no.... i just have the version i just said.
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[22:26:13] <ninix> im still on ubuntu feisty. i think it the last version of eclipse available.
[22:26:21] <d_a_carver> ninix: they did a lot of indexing improviements in CDT 4.0
[22:26:42] <d_a_carver> ninix: you can install it yourself and not rely on what is in the ubuntu apt repository.
[22:27:26] <ninix> ok, thx, i will install the new eclipse manually and the new CDT 4 also after diner.
[22:27:45] <d_a_carver> ~linux-install
[22:27:45] <KOS-MOS> Trying to install Eclipse on Linux? http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_do_I_install_Eclipse_on_Linux.3F
[22:27:48] <d_a_carver> ~gcj
[22:27:48] <KOS-MOS> GCJ is not officially supported by Eclipse as a Java runtime environment. Please talk with your distribution's packaging team and/or the GCJ team for assistance. To run Eclipse with a different JVM, see: http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I_just_installed_Eclipse_on_Linux.2C_but_it_does_not_start._What_is_the_problem.3F
[22:28:03] <d_a_carver> since you are on Ubuntu read the links provided above, it'll save you headaches.
[22:28:48] <rcjsuen> ninix: You should be able to just use the package from the link I linked above
[22:28:50] <rcjsuen> http://www.eclipse.org/epp/download.php
[22:28:59] <rcjsuen> "Eclipse Europa Test-Releases" section, cpp one
[22:29:09] <rcjsuen> make sure you get the proper arch, 32 / 64bit
[22:30:43] <ninix> and it's the same procedure for every plugin i suppose ?
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[22:31:01] <ninix> just extract the package in the /usr/local where eclipse is.
[22:31:24] <d_a_carver> or better, your home directory.
[22:31:32] <d_a_carver> that is where I run everything.
[22:32:16] <ninix> u install ur eclipse in your home u mean? ........ (and no eclipse in /usr/local + plugin in ~)
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[22:33:29] <rcjsuen> I put my Eclipse in my ~/
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[22:34:21] <ninix> ok, thx guys. i really apreciate your help. i will try that later, or tomorrow.
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[22:34:33] <Merlintosh> hello guys
[22:34:34] <ninix> a+, i gtg.
[22:34:51] <rcjsuen> Merlintosh: Hi
[22:35:17] <Merlintosh> I just installed eclipse  I am trying to write a simple C program
[22:35:26] <Merlintosh> when i run I get binaries not found
[22:35:34] <Merlintosh> on run or debug or anything
[22:36:53] <Merlintosh> any idea ?
[22:38:38] <rcjsuen> Did you confirm that there are acutally binaries?
[22:38:44] <rcjsuen> Maybe your project hasn't even built yet.
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[22:39:37] <Merlintosh> Ok I  am used to borland C and visual Studio
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[22:40:14] <Merlintosh> how can i make the binaries
[22:40:38] <rcjsuen> Do you have a Makefile?
[22:40:41] <rcjsuen> I guess try Project / Clean
[22:40:51] <Merlintosh> ok one sec
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[22:41:14] <Merlintosh> ok done then
[22:41:36] <Merlintosh> ?
[22:41:55] <rcjsuen> I have no idea, you tell me if it's done.
[22:42:05] <rcjsuen> If there aren't any binaries, I guess you need to figure out what's wrong with the build
[22:42:08] <rcjsuen> check the makefiles
[22:42:30] <d_a_carver> Merlintosh: have you checked the CDT-FAQ?
[22:43:01] <Merlintosh> yep
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[22:43:24] <Merlintosh> ok ill make things easy for both of us by clarifyng my objective
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[22:44:04] <Merlintosh> I want to write a simple cpp file and debug as simple as
[22:44:05] <Merlintosh> 	int main ()
[22:44:06] <Merlintosh> 		{
[22:44:06] <Merlintosh> 		cout<< "Hello world ";
[22:44:06] <Merlintosh> 		return 0;
[22:44:06] <Merlintosh> 		}
[22:44:15] <Merlintosh> and then just debug
[22:44:25] <Merlintosh> I first created a c project
[22:44:37] <Merlintosh> created a new file wrote the code then run ....
[22:44:41] <Merlintosh> did i miss anything
[22:44:57] <coder11235> hey, eclipsors!! anyone here that could help me out with an editor plug-in question?
[22:45:34] <rcjsuen> coder11235: Only one way to find out.
[22:45:45] <coder11235> hehe
[22:46:16] <coder11235> i'm kinda confused as to why i can double click and open one file, and it opens fine with my editor
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[22:46:26] <coder11235> but when i double click on another (different) file, it doesn't
[22:46:33] <coder11235> i have to right click and choose open with
[22:46:44] <Merlintosh> Am I that much out of the logic of eclipse ??
[22:47:15] <d_a_carver> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/docs/tutorials/debug_tutorial/cdt_w_debug.htm
[22:47:26] <rcjsuen> coder11235: Never heard of that problem before
[22:47:31] <rcjsuen> coder11235: This is with your own plug-in that you wrote?
[22:47:38] <coder11235> yeah
[22:47:55] <rcjsuen> If you use Open With it opens the second file properly?
[22:48:11] <coder11235> it doesn't even appear to be reaching the init method for the second editor if i just double click
[22:48:14] <coder11235> open with works fine tho
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[22:49:11] <rcjsuen> Sounds like it's time to debug.
[22:49:57] <coder11235> yup, i've started doing some stepping through, but haven't come across nething helpful yet
[22:50:36] <rcjsuen> try putting breakpoints in WorkbenchPage's openEditor method
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[22:51:07] <nitind> coder11235: Do the two files have the same filename extension and Content Type?
[22:51:36] <coder11235> they have the same extension
[22:51:58] <coder11235> i'm not sure about how you mean content type (they do both hold the same formatted info)
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[22:52:26] <rcjsuen> content type like xml code, html, java code, binary 1s and 0s
[22:52:27] <coder11235> i'll try openEditor, i was stepping through a bit further back in the fireOpen method
[22:52:29] <rcjsuen> that kinda thing
[22:52:33] <coder11235> yup
[22:52:37] <coder11235> they're both object models
[22:52:43] <coder11235> binayr
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[22:59:57] <Merlintosh> d_a_carver:  I did as detailed ther
[23:00:03] <Merlintosh> I got this error in the console
[23:00:05] <Merlintosh> Undefined symbols:
[23:00:06] <Merlintosh>   "_main", referenced from:
[23:00:06] <Merlintosh>       start in crt1.10.5.o
[23:00:06] <Merlintosh> ld: symbol(s) not found
[23:00:06] <Merlintosh> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[23:01:04] <Merlintosh> i used to have a similar error with gcc on the console I thoght eclipse would fix it
[23:01:47] <d_a_carver> Merlintosh: if it's a gcc error, then eclipse just calls the gcc debugger.  So if it's happening in both then it's something to do with gcc.
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[23:02:11] <d_a_carver> Merlintosh: try googling on that particular error for gcc
[23:02:39] <coder11235> ahha, it works if i step through everything. i think that's because i'm clicking off the project explorer after i open each file.
[23:03:12] <coder11235> i just implemented setfocus, and now the editor actually gains focus and double clicking on another file successfully opens the second file
[23:03:21] <coder11235> woooo!!!!
[23:03:44] <kirkt> hey njbartlett__, i just listened to a podcast about OSGI and you were mentioned :)
[23:04:05] <njbartlett__> kirkt: Oh really? Cool, which one?
[23:04:26] <kirkt> im not sure as i was driving.. moment
[23:04:33] <coder11235> thanks for ur help nitind and rcjsuen, im gonna go get some food
[23:05:24] <rcjsuen> coder11235: bye
[23:05:26] <kirkt> njbartlett__: http://www.se-radio.net/podcast/2007-12/episode-80-osgi-peter-kriens-and-bj-hargrave
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[23:05:57] <njbartlett__> Ah okay. Yeah I remember now, they mentioned my tutorials. Thanks :-)
[23:06:13] <kirkt> yea, thats right
[23:07:38] <Merlintosh> any alternative for GCC u beleive I can download for my mac
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[23:21:47] <d_a_carver> Merlintosh: http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/Eclipse/CDT_on_Linux_and_Mac_OS_X
[23:22:04] <d_a_carver> Merlintosh: best I can say is ask on the CDT Newsgroup.
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[23:22:40] <_ergo_> hello
[23:22:49] <_ergo_> im using eclipse for windows
[23:22:52] <rcjsuen> Hi
[23:23:12] <_ergo_> what can be the cause of problem when in navigator selecting other... for project
[23:23:16] <_ergo_> i get empty wizard page
[23:23:35] <rcjsuen> wha
[23:23:41] <_ergo_> tried fresh install to correct the problem seems to give me same result
[23:23:42] <rcjsuen> _ergo_: 64-bit Windows?
[23:23:45] <_ergo_> yes
[23:23:49] <rcjsuen> oho
[23:23:54] <rcjsuen> why it must be _that_
[23:24:07] <_ergo_> blah ;]
[23:24:10] <rcjsuen> _ergo_: get the 64-bit build 3.4m4 http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[23:24:36] <_ergo_> thanks ;-)
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[23:26:23] <_ergo_> wouldnt think thats the cause :/ other than that it worked fairly well :]
[23:26:55] <rcjsuen> Eh? What did you think was the cause?
[23:27:41] <_ergo_> dunno, i suspected b0rken PDT
[23:28:02] <_ergo_> thats why i did a clean install to see its the same :/
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[23:30:54] <rcjsuen> ~add 64-win Running 64-bit Windows and can't see a thing? Are your dialogs and wizards empty? Try a 64-bit 3.4 Eclipse milestone build - http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[23:30:54] <KOS-MOS> The new keyword "64-win" has been stored. In the future, you can ask me about "64-win" and I will respond.
[23:31:34] <_ergo_> ;-)
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[23:34:09] <mslot> Anyway to speed up code completion in C++ for the STL in CDT?
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[23:36:04] <ScofieLBag> "launch failed no binaries"
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[23:36:25] <ScofieLBag> eclipse can't run c++ codes
[23:36:40] <rcjsuen> I'd try the CDT newsgroup.
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[23:52:46] <jpospychala> rcjsuen: what happens if I say "~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add" ? :)
[23:53:10] <_ergo_> a kitten will die
[23:53:19] <nemo> pombreda: ... much later.  sorry, weekend kicked in
[23:53:27] <nemo> anyway, hope the ubuntu thing has all been figured out
[23:53:32] <nemo> at this point, they rolled back the changes anyway
[23:53:59] <rcjsuen> jpospychala: try and find out
[23:54:10] <jpospychala> ;P
[23:54:12] <jpospychala> ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add
[23:54:13] <KOS-MOS> jpospychala: Your name is not in my database of trusted users. You cannot tell me what to do.
[23:54:21] <jpospychala> blee...
[23:54:46] * _ergo_ is just checkit x64 eclipse, like first pioneer ;-)
[23:54:56] <zx|cafe> lol
[23:56:04] <jpospychala> rcjsuen: now you try :)
[23:56:24] <rcjsuen> ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add
[23:56:25] <KOS-MOS> The new keyword "add" has been stored. In the future, you can ask me about "add" and I will respond.
[23:56:28] <rcjsuen> ~add
[23:56:28] <KOS-MOS> ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add add ~add
[23:56:28] <_ergo_> leave my kittens alone :/ bastards...
[23:56:32] <rcjsuen> ~remove add
[23:56:33] <KOS-MOS> The keyword "add" and its reply has been removed from my data bank.
[23:56:36] <rcjsuen> There, I did it.
[23:56:48] <jpospychala> cool :)
[23:57:17] <d_a_carver> good thing KOS-MOS doesn't have rights to add it's own commands.
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[23:57:48] <jpospychala> earlier found http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/messages.html - are there all KOS-MOS answers?
[23:57:51] <rcjsuen> That was causing problems.
[23:57:55] <rcjsuen> But I put in code to ignore her own messages.
[23:58:01] <rcjsuen> ~list
[23:58:02] <KOS-MOS> Check out the list of available messages and commands I provide - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/messages.html - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/commands.html
[23:58:06] <rcjsuen> jpospychala: That's the idea.
[23:58:22] <rcjsuen> zx|cafe: I need to find a real KOS-MOS quote when she DENIES people.
[23:59:43] <rcjsuen> ~logs
[23:59:43] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[23:59:58] <rcjsuen> She would then print out the contents of pastebin because there was that in the message.

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