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[00:34:58] <Qube> Is it possible to install other Character Sets into eclipse editor?
[00:36:11] <rcjsuen> Character Sets?
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[00:40:00] <Qube> yes, when I choose a charset in the editor, it offers, default, iso-8859-1, us-ascii, utf-16, utf-16be, utf-16le, and utf-8.... I think I need JIS for Japanese code file I want to work on
[00:40:32] <Qube> (under "Edit, Set Encoding")
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[00:41:06] <rcjsuen> Don't think you can randomly add to that.
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[00:41:59] <Qube> :(
[00:42:26] <tretle> hi, could someone tell me the name of the eclipse plugin which allows you to create java applets
[00:42:37] <tretle> right now i can only create java applications
[00:43:54] <rcjsuen> tretle: JDT lets you make java apps
[00:44:24] <rcjsuen> tretle: Why do you say you cannot make java applets?
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[00:45:37] <tretle> i presume you mean java development tools
[00:45:45] <tretle> Well that seems to be installed
[00:45:58] <tretle> several different ones show up in the plugin database
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[00:46:34] <tretle> Im using ubuntu hardy alpha 3 which has the latest version of eclipse in the repositories
[00:46:48] <tretle> Im using the ubuntu packaged version of eclipse
[00:46:58] <rcjsuen> tretle: I'd recommend against it.
[00:47:03] <rcjsuen> But, up to you.
[00:47:54] <tretle> I just dont see any shortcut to making applets on the run as dropdown menu
[00:48:04] <tretle> only java application shows up
[00:48:22] <rcjsuen> Is your class setup properly?
[00:48:29] <rcjsuen> If you open the 'Run' dialog, you will see 'Java Applet' tehre.
[00:49:37] <tretle> i can see it in the launch dialog but it asks to configure perspectives
[00:49:54] <rcjsuen> wha
[00:50:00] <tretle> lol
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[00:50:39] <tretle> whoops
[00:51:11] <tretle> it says configure launch perspective settings from the perspectives preferences page
[00:51:26] <rcjsuen> Please take a screenshot.
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[00:52:57] <tretle> right..... fixed it
[00:53:00] <tretle> but not sure yet
[00:54:02] <tretle> When you create run as an applet do you need to include any swing based functions or can you just run a simple hello world application as an applet?
[00:55:31] <tretle> because Im getting some errors in the debugger
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[00:56:24] <rcjsuen> What kind of errors?
[00:56:42] <tretle> cant load applet viewers properies file
[00:56:52] <tretle> *preperties
[00:56:55] <tretle> lol
[00:56:58] <tretle> properties
[00:57:05] <rcjsuen> did you try googling the error?
[00:57:16] <rcjsuen> it could be something simple, i'm not sure, i've never done applets
[00:57:23] <rcjsuen> but i imagine some other person has tried to code applets in Eclipse before
[00:58:48] <robin> applet must implement a number of methods
[01:00:35] <tretle> ok
[01:00:42] <tretle> so its just the code isnt right
[01:02:20] <robin> if it doesn't work I'd assume it's wrong ;-)
[01:02:54] <tretle> its strange cause it doesnt point to a specific line in the code
[01:03:06] <tretle> looks like everything is right
[01:03:22] <tretle> could be a semantics issue i suppose
[01:03:34] <robin> so maybe the browser doesn't even know where to begin
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[01:04:38] <rawblem> rcjsuen:  around? ;)
[01:04:47] <rcjsuen> rawake: No
[01:05:40] <rawake> huh?
[01:06:00] <rawblem> rawake:  i think he meant me
[01:06:21] <rcjsuen> rawake: Whoops, sorry
[01:06:27] <tretle> lol
[01:06:32] <rawake> :)
[01:06:47] <rcjsuen> rawblem: Yes,  Iactually meant you, I was merely intentionally sending it to the wrong person because I like ignoring you.
[01:06:53] <rawake> I thought someone actually wanted to talk to me :( oh wells I'll go back to my shell ... *hides*
[01:06:59] <rcjsuen> rawake: but you're awake
[01:07:00] <rcjsuen> zing
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[01:07:16] <tretle> Oh... could someone tell me if java is completely open source now?
[01:07:28] <nitind> Sun?
[01:07:31] <rcjsuen> tretle: If you mean _Sun's_ Java, then no, not all yet.
[01:07:37] <rcjsuen> there are still some libs here and there
[01:07:55] <rawake> rawake = rude awakening :(
[01:07:58] <rcjsuen> that companies a b c and friends don't want to open source, so they will have to rewrite from scratch / take from classpath / whatever
[01:08:14] <rcjsuen> rawblem: What's up?
[01:08:17] <rawblem> rawake:   guess rcjsuen pinging you was rather rude, and awakening ;)
[01:08:25] <rawblem> rcjsuen: so,   http://pastebin.ca/859220   should not look like http://i4.tinypic.com/81s3n10.jpg   right?
[01:08:52] <rcjsuen> that looks vaguely familiar
[01:08:55] <rcjsuen> but no, it shouldn't look like that
[01:09:04] <rcjsuen> rawake: I would recommend trying "blah " + Text.DELIMITER + " blah"
[01:09:09] <rawblem> snicker
[01:09:14] <rcjsuen> Though technically they're the same thing I s'pose.
[01:09:23] <rawblem> rcjsuen:  will try
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[01:10:05] <rcjsuen> kk
[01:10:38] <rawblem> rcjsuen:  heh nope. definitely a problem ;)
[01:11:53] <tretle> are java applets equinox framework
[01:11:54] <tretle> ?
[01:12:02] <tretle> same thing?
[01:12:16] <rawblem> ... ... ... ... no. not at all.  at least i'm pretty sure no.
[01:12:38] <rawblem> equinox is OSGi
[01:13:20] <rawblem> nitind:   that code should not produce that image yes?
[01:13:23] <rcjsuen> rawblem: you got Eclipse from eclipse.org right? what is your gtk+ version?
[01:13:33] <rawblem> rcjsuen:  sec...
[01:14:19] <rawblem> rcjsuen:  whats the easiest way to figure out which gtk eclipse is running with?
[01:15:06] <rcjsuen> well, it's probably whatever gtk+ you have installed
[01:15:10] <rcjsuen> I imagine you don't have five thousand
[01:16:13] <rawblem> rcjsuen:  yeah i just suck at figuring that stuff out ;)
[01:16:59] <rcjsuen> rawblem: just check your distro's package management system
[01:17:10] <rcjsuen> rawblem: can you use gtk-demo on the command line?
[01:17:29] <rawblem> rcjsuen:  yes
[01:18:29] <rcjsuen> rawblem: run that
[01:18:35] <rcjsuen> double-click App Main Window
[01:18:38] <rcjsuen> Help > About
[01:19:19] <rawblem> rcjsuen:  gtk2-2.12.3-3.fc8
[01:20:16] <nitind> rawblem: Try it without SWT.DEFAULT.  I think that's only meant as a placeholder if you're not specifying any other styles.
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[01:21:28] <rawblem> nitind:  awesome. thanks!
[01:21:59] <rcjsuen> oh, didn't notice that
[01:25:02] <rawblem> anyone know if there's a way to make sure the hot code replace is engaging? doesn't seem to be workign on my new setup here.
[01:25:14] * rawblem searches preferences
[01:25:49] <nitind> rawblem: You must launch in Debug mode with a JRE that supports it.
[01:26:08] <nitind> rawblem: AND you must build to see the changes in the running VM.
[01:26:37] <rcjsuen> it's possible you dismissed that warning dialog too (that tells you when hot code replace failed (for whatever reasons))
[01:26:48] <rawblem> nitind:  using jdk1.6.0_03, which I have no reason to suspect doesn't support it
[01:26:49] <rcjsuen> it's annoying but i've kept it up so i don't assume it's replaced whe n ichange stuff
[01:27:07] <nitind> rawblem: 64-bit?
[01:27:12] <rawblem> maybe my incremental deployer is shut off?  yes 64 bit
[01:33:04] <nitind> rawblem: You mean automatic building, like on the menubar's Project menu?
[01:33:35] <rawblem> nitind:  hmm no thats checked. Not sure really. I know the changes I'm making are safe changes (not changing method signatures or adding fields... just simple changing of a printout for example)
[01:33:51] <rawblem> and i know the jre supports it as it's the sun jdk's jre for 1.6. There's no reason for that to not support it
[01:34:31] <rawblem> no error box is coming up about the changes being unable to be applied / hot code replace failing
[01:35:19] <nitind> Then I'm stumped.
[01:35:48] <rawblem> nitind:   me too. oh well.    first time using a pure 64-bit stack.... OS, java, eclipse, etc
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[02:43:15] <`m0> Hello, my username for os login is Administrator, but hwen I do automatic comments, it places the @author Administrator
[02:43:20] <`m0> Any way I could change that?
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[02:50:03] <Sal`> hello, how can o post  question in the eclipse newgroups?
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[03:08:08] <`m0> When I change @author to my name
[03:08:16] <`m0> I see an annoying error/warning on it :/
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[03:38:16] <zx> `m0, what do you  mean?
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[03:51:52] <rcjsuen> `m0: what kinda warning
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[04:11:23] <rawblem> `m0:   does your box have enough RAM or memory allocated to eclipse? Sometimes I find when eclipse runs with too little memory errors persist even after you've fixed them.
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[04:26:15] <andreus> could somebody help me, trying to make swing display it's components. http://pastebin.com/m53cbd4de
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[04:26:34] <andreus> window gets created but it's empty
[04:27:04] <andreus> i'm on ubuntu gutsy 7.10, running eclipse europa
[04:27:13] <rcjsuen> andreus: Does this happen on the command line?
[04:27:16] <rcjsuen> Are there errors on the console?
[04:27:22] <andreus> none
[04:27:36] <rcjsuen> And command line?
[04:28:11] <andreus> haven't tried yet, this is an eclipse project including hibernate with jpa layer
[04:28:37] <rcjsuen> Well, it doesn't look like you're even doing anything with Hibernate.
[04:28:49] <andreus> not in this class
[04:29:07] <rcjsuen> what does your .classpath file say
[04:29:08] <andreus> besides, i haven't even started doing it
[04:29:37] <rcjsuen> Doing what?
[04:29:58] <andreus> hibernation :)
[04:30:18] <rcjsuen> Yes, I can tell from the source code, hence, I brought it up, to note that it doesn't sound like that is affecting this application.
[04:30:41] <andreus> http://pastebin.com/d53a386ad
[04:31:16] <rcjsuen> andreus: Can you expand your project and take a screenshot of the Package Explorer?
[04:31:33] <andreus> sec
[04:32:01] <rcjsuen> you might also want to try running it from the command line
[04:32:16] <rcjsuen> 'cd bin && java gui.CProductManager' should do I imagine
[04:34:35] <andreus> where can i drop the screenshot?
[04:34:45] <rcjsuen> ~image
[04:34:46] <KOS-MOS> Please upload your screenshots online - http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add - http://imagebin.ca/upload.php - http://imageshack.us/
[04:35:06] <andreus> command line gives the same
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[04:35:25] <rcjsuen> Sounds more like your code's problem I s'pose.
[04:36:24] <andreus> http://imagebin.org/13171
[04:36:46] <andreus> i am a very new to java, about one month into studying.
[04:36:47] <rcjsuen> so the windows shows up, and then closes immediately
[04:37:02] <rcjsuen> or wait, nm
[04:37:03] <rcjsuen> misread that
[04:37:04] <andreus> but it seems quite comprehensible and usually doesn't give any trouble
[04:38:02] <rcjsuen> Does this 'Hello World' work? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_(Java)#Example
[04:38:42] <andreus> sec
[04:39:35] <andreus> yes, displays the label
[04:39:37] <andreus> hmm
[04:41:53] <andreus> hmm, i've added a pack() method and it worked, though it ah, right.. pack resizes the window just to fit it's components?
[04:42:18] <rcjsuen> Yes.
[04:42:27] <andreus> guess they've got scattered around somehow
[04:42:45] <andreus> well, i wanted to experiment with gridbaglayout... trying to figure how layoutmanagers work
[04:43:08] <andreus> thank you very much. i got it
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[04:45:20] <rcjsuen> np
[04:45:37] <rcjsuen> andreus: http://madbean.com/anim/totallygridbag/
[04:48:42] <andreus> haha
[04:48:43] <andreus> :)
[04:49:02] <andreus> well, that made me even more frustrated
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[05:55:11] <mohadib> is it possible to have eclipse not format my case statments but format everything else in the file?
[05:55:24] <mohadib> or to have it format case the way i would like it
[05:55:58] <rcjsuen> change the formatter settings
[05:56:03] <rcjsuen> mohadib: _might_ get what you want
[05:56:08] <mohadib> i have already adjusted my formatting prefs , but i can seem to affect the formatting of the case stmnt the way i would like it
[05:56:19] <mohadib> cant*
[05:56:32] <rcjsuen> if you can't figure it out, then either a) you're doing it wrong or b) it's not possible
[05:56:39] <mohadib> lol
[05:56:40] <rcjsuen> file an enhancement request
[05:56:44] <mohadib> ok
[05:56:47] <mohadib> thanks
[05:57:10] <rcjsuen> what are you trying to do anyway
[05:57:16] <rcjsuen> i can't imagine anything "fancy" about the formatting of case statements
[05:57:45] <mohadib> i wasnt the case stmnt on one line ex  case 42: foo(); break;
[05:57:59] <mohadib> want* sorry
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[07:37:49] <ulfdoz> Is there a way, to display a stream, non blocking.
[07:41:18] <Rhe> system.out.printf ?
[07:42:00] <ulfdoz> no, I mean using swt.
[07:43:04] <Rhe> then i'm not your man :)
[07:43:17] <ulfdoz> Currently, the solution appends a line of the output to a string, which is displayed in a textarea. This is ugly slow and blocks the process for a constantly increasing duration.
[07:43:43] <Rhe> well did you check the java api page?
[07:43:46] <ulfdoz> and duration means >10min for "short" strings.
[07:44:00] <Rhe> the class page migt have a similar functions suggestion at the bottom
[07:44:34] <Rhe> or just write the class like swt.out. and try out all the possible functions
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[08:18:55] <ulfdoz> uh, changed string to stringbuffer which gives an incredible improvement.
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[09:37:07] <lynucs> hello
[09:37:32] <lynucs> could anyone take a look at this error output of eclipse when i'm trying to start? http://rafb.net/p/EulFW345.html
[09:37:40] <lynucs> never happened to me yet
[09:43:59] <Rhe> probably
[09:44:03] <Rhe> tried to upgrade
[09:44:19] <Rhe> and the .jar file it downloaded was not found
[09:44:21] <Rhe> for some reason
[09:44:30] <lynucs> Rhe: it's just a frsh installation, from ubuntu repo with cdt plugin
[09:44:35] <Rhe> plugins/org.eclipse.core.runtime_3.2.0.v20060603.jar
[09:44:50] <Rhe> doesn't stop it looking for updates
[09:45:09] <Rhe> my $0.02 is, get the latest runtime .jar manually
[09:45:19] <Rhe> put it in the plugins folder
[09:45:24] <Rhe> and try to launch with that
[09:45:30] <lynucs> Rhe: ok, thank you :) i'll try
[09:45:34] <Rhe> np
[09:47:11] <kirkt> lynucs: are you using linux?
[09:47:21] <lynucs> kirkt: yes
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[09:49:54] <Rhe> oh btw
[09:50:10] <Rhe> make sure your repo is a good one
[09:50:27] <Rhe> native OS repos are usually outdated for less popular stuff
[09:50:32] <Rhe> like eclipse
[09:51:00] <Rhe> best bet is to find a good repo that specializes on your niche of software and moderated by multiple people
[09:51:28] <lynucs> Rhe: yes, i know, just never expected problems before, and on my another machine, the same repo it works perfectly
[09:52:06] <lynucs> maybe someone could give me a hint where to search for org.eclipse.core.runtime_3.2.0.v20060603.jar to download?
[09:52:33] <Rhe> doesn't the eclipse home page have manual downloads?
[09:52:47] <Rhe> never set it up for linux so i wouldn't know
[09:52:52] <Rhe> they might even have their own repo
[09:52:56] <lynucs> Rhe: yes, some are there, but as big packs
[09:52:59] <lynucs> i guess
[09:53:18] <Rhe> hmm.. all the dependencies and such
[09:53:23] <Rhe> which repo manager are you using?
[09:53:26] <Rhe> apt? yum?
[09:53:46] <lynucs> apt
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[10:04:06] <Rhe> lynucsü
[10:04:14] <Rhe> where are you? which country?
[10:04:17] <lynucs> Rhe: yes?
[10:04:20] <lynucs> a
[10:04:23] <lynucs> i'm from germany
[10:06:03] <lynucs> looking at hte easyeclipse project atm
[10:06:36] <lynucs> maybe i just should install the newest eclipse without the pacakge manager
[10:06:39] <lynucs> ;)
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[10:06:49] <Rhe> ditch the repo eclipse
[10:07:06] <Rhe> apt-get remove eclipse<whatever>
[10:07:16] <Rhe> and wget http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.3.1.1-200710231652/eclipse-SDK-3.3.1.1-linux-gtk.tar.gz&url=http://mirror.yoxos-eclipse-distribution.de/eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.3.1.1-200710231652/eclipse-SDK-3.3.1.1-linux-gtk.tar.gz&mirror_id=200
[10:07:30] <Rhe> that was long..
[10:07:33] <Rhe> hehe
[10:07:49] <Rhe> i think you'll only need the part after url=
[10:08:06] <Rhe> then tar -zxvf eclipse-SDK-3.3.1.1-linux-gtk.tar.gz
[10:09:30] <lynucs> Rhe: thank you, Iäll give a try
[10:09:45] <Rhe> and i can't find it right now in the eclipse page
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[10:09:55] <Rhe> but there must be instructions to install it somewhere
[10:09:56] <Rhe> if not
[10:10:10] <Rhe> there probably is a readme.txt or install.txt in the package
[10:10:13] <Rhe> or if all else fails
[10:10:29] <Rhe> try the classic ./configure, make, make install
[10:10:33] <Rhe> good luck
[10:10:36] <lynucs> Rhe: thank you :)
[10:10:43] <Rhe> np
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[10:50:44] <lynucs> Rhe: thank you, works perfectly.. installing cdt-plugin right now
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[11:02:58] <joh> Eh, suddenly Eclipse crashes due to an X11 BadAlloc. What could possibly be wrong?
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[11:05:03] <er4z0r> I start exquinox via a shellscript (without eclipse) most bundles load correctly. But I get a:
[11:05:04] <er4z0r> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/rmi/ssl/SslRMIClientSocketFactory
[11:05:20] <er4z0r> I get similar erros  with swing
[11:05:43] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: are you there?
[11:05:54] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Yes
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[11:07:24] <er4z0r> strange thing is: the bundles using ssl work perfectly correct under eclipse
[11:07:39] <er4z0r> there must be some launch-config issue, that i miss
[11:07:59] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Does the bundle using that library have "javax.rmi.ssl" in its imported packages?
[11:09:25] <er4z0r> http://pastebin.com/d542ad34
[11:10:12] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: This is your config.ini? Not relevant
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[11:10:33] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Show me the MANIFEST.MF for the bundle that's using the SslRMIClientSocketFactory class
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[11:11:35] <er4z0r> http://pastebin.com/d6968a5fc
[11:11:46] <er4z0r> it does not import it
[11:12:08] <er4z0r> didn't know I had to import standard java packages
[11:12:19] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Right. That's the problem. You must import ALL packages you use except ones beginning with "java..."
[11:12:19] <er4z0r> in eclipse the bundle runs without that import
[11:12:29] <er4z0r> ah
[11:12:30] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Yeah there's an explanation for that
[11:12:39] <er4z0r> so the problem is the javaX
[11:12:40] <er4z0r> ?
[11:12:43] <njbartlett_> Yes
[11:12:58] <njbartlett_> The rule is, you must not import "java.*" but you must import everything else
[11:13:37] <njbartlett_> However it turns out that when you run under Eclipse, it relaxes the rule. Mainly so that lots of old pre-OSGi Eclipse plugins will continue to work.
[11:14:07] <njbartlett_> Unfortunately the bundle is simply not valid, and it won't work outside of eclipse unless you do the imports properly
[11:14:23] <njbartlett_> And PDE doesn't even give you a warning about it, which is really annoying
[11:15:00] <er4z0r> ah
[11:15:18] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: and I guess there is no way to get all these imports right at once?
[11:15:35] <er4z0r> so I need to check wherever I use javax.*
[11:15:53] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: I'm not sure if there's some tooling in PDE. I'm not a PDE guy, maybe you could ask zx when he's online later.
[11:16:01] <njbartlett_> However there is a handy tool called bnd
[11:16:15] <njbartlett_> You can use that to validate a bundle after building it
[11:16:34] <njbartlett_> It will look through all the class files in the bundle and identify missing imports, including ones from javax.* etc
[11:17:33] <njbartlett_> In fact, some people use bnd as their primary OSGi development tool instead of PDE. It has a lot of other features. If you're interested it's here: http://www.aqute.biz/Code/Bnd
[11:17:53] <njbartlett_> It was developed by Peter Kriens, the OSGi Alliance technical director and all round genius :-)
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[11:33:59] <ElvanorAtWork> eclipse -vmargs  -Xms128m -Xmx256m -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=128m
[11:34:12] <ElvanorAtWork> I try to use that to start Eclipse but it complains
[11:34:21] <ElvanorAtWork> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:  -Xms128m -Xmx256m -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=128m
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[12:06:33] <er4z0r> can you tell equinox where to look for bundles?
[12:07:36] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: What are you trying to do?
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[12:47:20] <ShawnS> test
[12:48:24] <njbartlett_> ShawnS: Please use the #test channel
[12:49:12] <ShawnS> sry, i will
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[12:49:32] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: is there a way to export a complete working run-configuration (with all needed bundles) so that I can run my bundles in a standalone exquinox?
[12:49:48] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: thanks for the bnd hint. works great
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[12:51:08] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Well yeah, as long as you export a set of bundles with all their dependencies. PDE uses "features" for this... a feature is just a collection of bundles, but you can treat it as a unit in certain parts of the tooling
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[12:56:32] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: ah ok.
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[12:59:59] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: I need to call my java with certain parameters i.e. -Djavax.net.ssl.trustStorePassword how can I do this with a config file?
[13:00:16] <er4z0r> I tried simply adding the property in my config.ini
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[13:00:43] <er4z0r> but itdoes not seem  to work
[13:00:56] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: No, the config.ini isn't used to define system properties
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[13:01:44] <er4z0r> what would be the most eleganty way to do that then?
[13:03:09] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Just a second, I'm checking something
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[13:10:34] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Sorry just trying to find some documentation. In OSGi the way you're supposed to get configuration properties for your bundle is to call BundleContext.getProperty. The way those properties are set though depends on the framework implementation... and Equinox seems to provide no way of setting them!
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[13:11:51] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: wait
[13:12:04] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: what properties can I access via that?
[13:12:11] <er4z0r> the ones i see in setprop?
[13:12:57] <njbartlett_> Yes and no. The properties in setprop are a combination of the system properties, plus the ones accessed via FrameworkAdmin.getProperties(). Unfortunately, FrameworkAdmin is equinox-specific
[13:14:10] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: ok, these can be set in the config.ini
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[13:15:10] <er4z0r> but that will not help me much, as the SslRMISocketFactory (or whatever it is called) reads system-properties
[13:17:18] <njbartlett_> Oh, the code to read the properties is not controlled by you?
[13:17:37] <njbartlett_> Well in that case you can only supply the property on the command line when you launch Java
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[13:20:45] <njbartlett_> njbartlett_: Although, you can also set system properties in code... but then you have the problem of ensuring that code gets run before the RMISocketFactory thingy reads it
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[13:21:11] <rcjsuen> Talking to ourselves again aren't we
[13:21:18] <njbartlett_> Haha. Oops.
[13:21:51] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: That was supposed to be for you ;-)
[13:22:00] <rcjsuen> I'll keep you company njbartlett_ ;)
[13:24:10] <rcjsuen> ElvanorAtWork: well that's certainly odd
[13:24:21] <ElvanorAtWork> Hmm yes
[13:24:32] <ElvanorAtWork> I am currently asking in#bash as it seems bash related
[13:25:10] <ElvanorAtWork> http://rafb.net/p/hvk4dO74.html
[13:25:15] <ElvanorAtWork> this is my startup script
[13:26:10] <rcjsuen> ElvanorAtWork: what if you remove  -vmargs "${VM_ARGS}" at the last two lines
[13:27:09] <ElvanorAtWork> I think I found the problem
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[13:27:34] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: hmm that would be an idea: write a class that gets the properties via BundleContext.getProperty and then sets it as systemproperty
[13:28:11] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Yes. but like I say, you're then going to have startup ordering issues.
[13:29:30] <er4z0r> *shrug*
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[13:29:46] <er4z0r> how are people supposed to make configurable apps with osgi
[13:30:42] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Well, the OSGi spec is generally silent about the ultimate source of configuration data, because it is used in such a wide variety of scenarios. The answer for an RCP app would be very different from the answer for a mobile phone app, for example.
[13:31:56] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: There is a very sophisticated configuration system actually called Configuration Admin, you can read about it in the OSGi Compendium. But again, it doesn't say where you ultimately read config data from: it might be a file, it might be a database, or god-knows-what
[13:32:30] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Having said that, probably somebody should write some open source libraries for common cases, ie properties files etc
[13:32:40] <er4z0r> in case of equinox it is the config.ini i guess
[13:33:11] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: No, shouldn't dump all the config in config.ini. That should really only be used to configure the framework itself.
[13:34:00] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Anyway in this instance, the problem is you're using a library that doesn't have any sensible way of receiving configuration data: it MUST be supplied via system properties. Most Sun APIs seem to be like that.
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[13:52:35] <praecox> hi guys
[13:52:59] <rcjsuen> praecox: Hi
[13:53:09] <praecox> I've got this problem while running Eclipse PDT for the first time on my 64-bit Ubuntu: http://pastie.caboo.se/140494
[13:53:19] <praecox> any ideas what might be the problem?
[13:53:33] <rcjsuen> praecox: How did you download Eclipse / PDT?
[13:53:48] <rcjsuen> you are not using a proper 64-bit build > -arch x86
[13:53:54] <praecox> http://downloads.zend.com/pdt/all-in-one/pdt-1.0.2.S20071213-M1_debugger-5.2.12.v20071210-all-in-one-linux-gtk.tar.gz
[13:54:00] <praecox> that's where I got it from.
[13:54:01] <rcjsuen> That is for 32-bit not 64-bit.
[13:54:17] <praecox> ok, I see. is there any equivalent version for 64-bit?
[13:54:42] <rcjsuen> praecox: Ask the Zend guys, I know at Eclipse.org there isn't a 64-bit build, dunno if the Zend guys made their own build or not.
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[13:54:50] <rcjsuen> ~tell praecox about pdt-install
[13:54:50] <KOS-MOS> praecox: Trying to install PDT? - http://wiki.eclipse.org/PDT/FAQ#Installation
[13:55:06] <rcjsuen> You'd have to go the long way if you go with the build at Eclipse.org.
[13:55:42] <praecox> I see, should I go to #zend and ask there then?
[13:56:07] <rcjsuen> praecox: Only one way to find out.
[13:57:18] <praecox> weird - there is no #zend channel on freenode.
[13:57:48] <rcjsuen> praecox: Nothing really "weird" about it. Either a) they don't use IRC to communicate with their customers or b) it's not this server.
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[13:58:15] <rcjsuen> You don't really expect you could arbitrarily join #nokia, #ibm, #sybase, #bea, and get support, did you?
[13:58:39] <rcjsuen> Free support on IRC is probably the last thing on their minds. ;)
[13:59:19] <er4z0r> I have a bundle that needs com.sun.jndi.ldap
[13:59:26] <er4z0r> but no bundle seems to export that
[13:59:37] <praecox> rcjsuen, well... right.
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[14:09:23] <praecox> anyone else got an idea if there's native Zend's PDT version for 64-bit?
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[14:24:12] <paulweb515> er4z0r: is there a way to get it by specifying the system bundle
[14:24:14] <paulweb515> ?
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[14:27:28] <ElvanorAtWork> praecox: I use PDT on a 64-bit platform
[14:27:43] <praecox> ElvanorAtWork, oh, how did you do this?
[14:27:59] <praecox> ElvanorAtWork, and which version? from Zend or from Eclipse?
[14:27:59] <ElvanorAtWork> Just installed the plugin through the Update Manager
[14:28:06] <praecox> oh, I see.
[14:28:07] <ElvanorAtWork> (from Eclipse)
[14:28:14] <praecox> that's what I'm gonna do right now.
[14:28:20] <ElvanorAtWork> The last version actually works quite well
[14:28:27] <praecox> does it run well?
[14:28:36] <ElvanorAtWork> I had a lot of problems in the past, but the very recent version runs well
[14:28:38] <praecox> ok, that makes me happy.
[14:28:40] <ElvanorAtWork> 1.0.1 I think
[14:28:56] <ElvanorAtWork> 1.0 had a big problem that would cause deadlocks, but it seems to be gone.
[14:29:01] <ElvanorAtWork> Happy now with PDT
[14:29:22] <ElvanorAtWork> Now if only there was good groovy and JS support in Eclipse...
[14:29:22] <praecox> great to hear that. let me try.
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[14:38:50] <cdan> hi there
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[14:44:07] <cdan> where can I find some information about eclipse performance when deleting files
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[14:44:43] <cdan> every time I delete a bunch of files from inside eclipse, it takes a lot of time
[14:44:56] <cdan> is it a Jdk problem ?
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[14:59:30] <rcjsuen> ElvanorAtWork: i think Aptana or Adobe's whatever would cover the js side
[14:59:48] <rcjsuen> cdan: how much is a bunch
[15:00:14] <ElvanorAtWork> well, installed adobe's plugin, was not impressed
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[15:06:04] <cdan> 221 Mb , ~3000 files
[15:06:46] <rcjsuen> I guess there might be the issue of history.
[15:06:57] <rcjsuen> I s'pose you could always delete it from the file system and then refresh Eclipse by hand.
[15:07:40] <cdan> yes, this is how I do it now. I just wanted to know why
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[15:09:23] <rcjsuen> cdan: Check bugzilla.
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[15:34:29] <kirkt> anyone knows places i can download interesting (development oriented) podcasts to listen to while driving? preferably those who would teach things rather than talk about new stuff etc.
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[15:37:12] <martinkli> kirkt: http://www.se-radio.net/
[15:39:48] <kirkt> thanks, thats great
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[15:44:46] <Erik1> how can I set a consistent syntax coloring system with a black background, for all the languages I use in eclipse: PHP,HTML,JavaScript and CSS ? Must I do that by hand, switching from editor to editor ?
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[15:51:41] <Sal> anyone here is using pdt + debugger?
[15:52:03] <Sal> xdebug or zend debugger
[15:52:12] <paulweb515> Erik1: Some of the colours can be controlled for all of eclipse, using Window>Preferences>General>Appearance>Colors and Fonts and General>Editors>Text Editors
[15:53:07] <paulweb515> Erik1: that'll get you most of the way there, and any other tweaks are on a per-editor-type basis (i.e. Preferences>Java>Editor)
[15:53:54] <Erik1> ok
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[16:26:25] <KA> i am using eclipse 3.1 does anyone know where i can find the system.out logs?
[16:26:43] <KA> I see it in the console but i cant find an actual file...is it available somewhere?
[16:26:52] <rcjsuen> ~logs
[16:26:53] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[16:27:04] <rcjsuen> good grief, 3.1
[16:28:17] <KA> well i tried updating but it never worked
[16:28:27] <KA> i am using 3.1 with wtp 0.7
[16:28:32] <KA> impossible to upgrade
[16:28:39] <rcjsuen> oh right, i remember you now
[16:29:10] <KA> this company is going to be stuck with this for awhile it looks like
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[16:30:12] <KA> *.log file has nothing similiar to my console
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[16:30:58] <rcjsuen> if it goes to sysout it's not going to get logged i think
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[16:31:32] <paulweb515> KA: if you have WTP, are you talking about a server (like tomcat) logs that you are seeing on the console?
[16:32:04] <KA> yes
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[16:32:22] <KA> but i think it runs all application in .deployables directory
[16:33:01] <KA> so my actual tomcat installation has nothing in logs.
[16:33:04] <paulweb515> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.webtools/msg10235.html
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[16:36:44] <paulweb515> KA: you might have to go to your launch config Run>Run... and on the Common tab create a file for your console (and mark for append)
[16:40:03] <rcjsuen> lemmy: think using getWindow().getPages() might be "cleaner" instead of them static methods
[16:40:13] <rcjsuen> from your IWWC
[16:43:49] <lemmy> Only possible with getWindowConfigurer().getWindow().getPages(); and I'm not really sure about the WindowConfigurer whether it will never return null
[16:44:08] <rcjsuen> lemmy: but you get it in your constructor right
[16:44:23] <rcjsuen> lemmy: in your WWA
[16:45:29] <lemmy> yep, and the superclass even verifies via an Assert
[16:46:35] <lemmy> so getWindowConfigurer().getWindow().getPages() should be safe. Care to leave a comment?
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[16:49:49] <btsht23> hiho @all
[16:49:57] <paulweb515> howdy
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[16:50:14] <rcjsuen> lemmy: fail
[16:50:15] <rcjsuen> Warning: main(../../../wp-config.php) [function.main]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/local/share/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/SK2/sk2_second_chance.php on line 6
[16:50:53] <vidpat> Why might I not have a Team menu or Team preferences in Europa?
[16:51:24] <lemmy> rcjsuen, thx, let me look into it
[16:52:02] <rcjsuen> vidpat: Which Europa package did you download? What are you clicking on?
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[16:52:59] <btsht23> can someone help me solving a problem with incorrect display of parts of the eclipse ui? experiencing things like e.g.: when i switch between 2 pages in Window->Preferences, half of the content of the previously selected page still remains in on display (it's  displayed instead of some content elements of the real selected page
[16:53:21] <donavan> I'm highly confused -- I'm trying to build stubs from some .wsdls on Linux with eclipse 3.3.  Do I have to install extra plugins or am I just stoopid?
[16:53:56] <nitind> donavan: Which Europa package did you download?
[16:53:57] <vidpat> rcjsuen: I downloaded the Java IDE package a while ago. I'm starting a project now that will use SVN, but discovered that I don't even have a Team menu or the section in Window > Preferences...
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[16:54:22] <nitind> vidpat: Which JRE are you using, at least 1.5?
[16:54:30] <vidpat> 1.6
[16:55:16] <rcjsuen> ~tell btsht23 about info
[16:55:17] <KOS-MOS> btsht23: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
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[16:57:20] <lemmy> rcjsuen, http://www.lemmster.de/blog/index.php/2008/01/18/164/#comment-20616
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[16:57:52] <rcjsuen> lemmy: how odd, oh well
[16:58:05] <donavan> nitind: I'm using Fedora 8's eclipse
[16:58:08] <btsht23> using 64-bit win vista, jre 1.6.03, jdk 1.6.02, downloaded eclipse from eclipse.org (package eclipse-rcp-europa-fall2-win32.zip)
[16:58:25] <rcjsuen> btsht23: get 3.4m4
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[17:03:00] <btsht23> rcjsuen: should i use the x84_64 release? :)
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[17:03:19] <rcjsuen> btsht23: you tell me
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[17:03:50] <btsht23> well, its 64-bit vista, but i don't know whether my jvm is a 64-bit one
[17:04:19] <rcjsuen> type 'java -d64' and see what happens
[17:05:21] <vidpat> rcjsuen, nitind: I should have a CVS perspective, too, right?
[17:05:44] <rcjsuen> vidpat: technically yes
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[17:07:36] <vidpat> rcjsuen: Is there something I might have done to disable it that I could change to enable it? I don't see any component disabled in the configuration manager.
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[17:08:21] <rcjsuen> vidpat: Window > Preferences > General > Capabilities
[17:09:09] <progzy> Hi ! Is there a way to specify a class var is an object of another class so that Eclipse gives all the member/method of this class ?
[17:09:33] <rcjsuen> say what now
[17:12:27] <vidpat> rcjsuen: Thanks. Simple problems, some time.
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[17:16:27] <btsht23> rcjsuen: downloading 32 bit now, java -d64 says unrecognised option, thanks for your help until now :)
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[17:21:33] <dpy> hi guys
[17:21:48] <dpy> does anyone know if I can use eclipse to automatically restart my webapp after I change something?
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[17:29:28] <nemo> frig.
[17:29:36] <nemo> eclipse is failing to launch with X window error
[17:29:52] <nemo> even with -consolelog -noRegistryCache -noSplash
[17:30:03] <nemo> p'raps I will have to give up on ubuntu eclipse - could well be at fault
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[17:38:35] <btsht23> rcjsuen: thanks, everythings all right now :)
[17:38:36] <btsht23> cu
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[17:53:53] <ferric84> hi all.  how do I install the web tools?  I've downloaded the files, so do I just extract them into the eclipse folder and restart eclipse?
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[18:00:07] <pixelmonkey> does anyone know where the Resource plugin stores the locations (e.g. absolute filesystem URIs) of all projects in a given Eclipse workspace?  I assume it's somwhere under .metadata, but don't know where...
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[18:03:01] <kaje1> Does anyone know what the irc channel for the CDT is?
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[18:19:34] <nemo> frig. I can't launch eclipse at all
[18:19:35] <nemo> not as root
[18:19:37] <nemo> not as user
[18:19:47] <nemo> every single attempt causes that X window error
[18:20:40] <nemo> hm
[18:21:49] <nemo> latest ubuntu update altered X security policy...
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[18:25:31] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/183969
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[18:33:23] <rcjsuen> pixelmonkey: Why do you need that information
[18:33:31] <rcjsuen> kaje1: There isn't one, try the CDT newsgroup.
[18:43:25] <pixelmonkey> rcjsuen, I was going to write a script for an RCP app I'm building
[18:43:46] <pixelmonkey> rcjsuen, I think I'm gonna take a different approach though and just use the Java APIs in a headless Eclipse app, print out the information I need, and then pass that file along to my script.
[18:44:15] <pixelmonkey> because I actually need to also know about Project natures, so that's too much parsing outside of Eclipse for me... I should use right tool for the right job.
[18:44:57] <pixelmonkey> if you're interesting in the background, my RCP app makes Eclipse projects with a certain layout, and we're changing the layout so want to write a migration script.
[18:45:18] <pixelmonkey> s/interesting/interested
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[18:47:01] <bigup_hpc> Someone can help me redirecting the logs from a third party lib (apache cayenne) which use apache common-logging, to eclipse log, i spent a lot of time trying  to do it without success. i just need someone which had used commons logging. the common-logging.properties is never read by the lib why ?
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[18:53:43] <vwegert> Hi all. This is a bit OT, but since it's connected to Eclipse... I just got my first Mac and I've heard rumours about Java not being available under Leopard. Is anyone using Java / Eclipse under Leopard and could advise me whether an upgrade would make sense?
[18:54:11] <vwegert> bigup_hpc: never tried, but maybe http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t99588.rhtml helps?
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[18:55:08] <kirkt> rcjsuen, here ?
[18:55:23] <rcjsuen> kirkt: no
[18:55:30] <kirkt> :)
[18:56:40] <kirkt> im trying to figure out how i can contribute code, i've went over the guidelines and most of the wiki materials. i just need some kind of universal starting point.. care to help me out ?
[18:56:52] <rcjsuen> Universal starting point?
[18:57:34] <kirkt> a starting point which will be safe for me to take my first step. something to code, that won't freak me out.
[18:57:58] <rcjsuen> kirkt: did you run a query for helpwanted / bugday bugs
[18:58:41] <kirkt> yes, i searched for  'eclipse bugday', and i found out it is a single day of the month where people fix bugs ?
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[18:58:51] <Alp-> hello
[18:58:55] <rcjsuen> kirkt: i meant run a keyword query on bugzilla
[18:59:04] <rcjsuen> Alp-: Hi
[18:59:07] <kirkt> oh.
[18:59:16] <rcjsuen> kirkt: in the keywords section https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/query.cgi
[18:59:27] <rcjsuen> 'bugday, helpwanted'
[18:59:54] <rcjsuen> But yes, bug day's a day when some committers that are able take some time out and help people fix bugs.
[19:00:11] <kirkt> how do they help people ?
[19:00:42] <Alp-> i was not at home for a week. now i did an update of my system (ubuntu gutsy) and now i cant start eclipse. i get this error: http://pastie.caboo.se/140628
[19:01:00] <Alp-> i also downloaded the current version, didnt help
[19:01:01] <rcjsuen> kirkt: answer questions, check their code, etc
[19:01:37] <rcjsuen> Alp-: maybe related -> [18:25:31] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/183969
[19:03:07] <kirkt> rcjsuen: just out of curiousity, bugs that are submitted are the only ones that are hard to fix, and survive? or do trivial bugs get submitted too
[19:03:31] <rcjsuen> kirkt: anyone can submit anything
[19:03:38] <rcjsuen> it could be a spelling error, it could be a VM crash
[19:03:53] <Alp-> rcjsuen: thx alot
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[19:05:57] <kirkt> rcjsuen: so normally im supposed to go over this list, pick something, learn the background, download sources, attempt fixing, submit a patch ?
[19:06:47] <paulweb515> kirkt: hopefully you can also ask for some direction and have the committers point you to the right area
[19:07:36] <kirkt> and that happens by mail or mailing list?
[19:09:37] <rcjsuen> don't think it really goes with either of the two
[19:09:44] <rcjsuen> but I guess it depends on the project
[19:11:42] <rcjsuen> Conversations usually happen on the bug in question.
[19:15:32] <kirkt> yes i'm reading some, its interesting by itself.
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[19:21:34] <Sal> can i chat with someone that uses pdt? i have problems debugging
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[19:36:18] <Sal> is there anyone that uses pdt here?
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[19:44:41] <nitind> donavan: Fedora doesn't build in the Web Tools Platform.  Yet.  I need to lean on Andrew a bit.
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[19:51:36] <Sal> a.a.a. searching pdt users
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[20:00:45] <donavan> nitind: thanks for the information. :)
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[20:19:46] <kaje1> I'm having trouble debugging a little toy project in the CDT with a custom make file... When I try to debug, it starts the debug perspective and gives me a message in the code pane that says, "No source available for "main() ""... Any thoughts?
[20:20:11] <kaje1> It is probably a simple switch I don't know I need to feed g++ in my make files to let the debugger hook in correctly or something
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[20:28:56] <slestak> i have a problem with text file encoding.  I have set my workspace preference to iso-8859-1 and restarted eclipse, but it keeps converting my source code to utf-8
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[20:30:18] <slestak> im using eclipse on ubuntu gutsy with jre 1.5
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[20:50:04] <kaje1> nevermind, I figured out that my make file wasn't passing the -g option...
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[20:51:59] <NBG> Hi. I've got some problems with my newly installed eclipse. I've got a workspace from my last OS with lots of projects, and now I can't figure out how to get this projects loaded to eclipse. The directories are not shown when I go to "Project -> Open Project". Any ideas?
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[20:57:22] <blun7> anyone know why eclipse isn't drawing the screen properly?
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[20:57:49] <paulweb515> NBG: if you open your old workspace and can't see any of the projects, I'd suggest creating a new workspace, and then using File>Import...>Existing Projects Into Workspace to copy them in
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[20:58:16] <rbastic> anyone familiar with setting up CVS for eclipse
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[20:58:29] <rcjsuen> blun7: screensohts please
[20:58:37] <rcjsuen> rbastic: "setting up CVS"? Setting up what
[20:58:40] <blun7> nuts, i just close it
[20:58:50] <rbastic> well, basically i've got 2 folders inside a repository
[20:58:57] <rbastic> one represents my java beans, the other represents my JSPs/etc
[20:59:01] <blun7> the textarea just stopped redrawing certain lines
[20:59:07] <rbastic> i need to make sure the JSPs get committed into the right folder, versus the beans
[20:59:13] <rcjsuen> ~tell blun7 about info
[20:59:14] <KOS-MOS> blun7: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[20:59:15] <rbastic> the beans are correctly pointed at the right folder and i can do compares/commits
[20:59:32] <rbastic> but the JSPs folder is having issues
[20:59:35] <rbastic> and i'm not sure why
[20:59:41] <rcjsuen> Sal: Did you try asking on the PDT newsgroup?
[20:59:47] <rcjsuen> rbastic: Define "issues".
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[21:00:06] <rbastic> when i right click on any file within the JSPs folder
[21:00:19] <rbastic> and select Team
[21:00:27] <rbastic> none of the options except for Apply Patch are enabled
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[21:00:46] <NBG> thx paulweb515, I'm just trying
[21:00:52] <blun7> cpu: athlon 64 3000+, windows xp sp2, C:\EasyEclipse-for-Python-1.2.2.2\jre\bin\javaw.exe
[21:01:16] <rcjsuen> rbastic: they could be on .cvsignore maybe
[21:01:43] <rcjsuen> blun7: go talk to the #easyeclipse folks
[21:01:50] <rcjsuen> blun7: is your xp 64-bit?
[21:01:54] <blun7> no
[21:02:01] <rbastic> i just set this up today, i dont' think it'd be in .cvsignore
[21:02:16] <rcjsuen> blun7: still, i'd try getting 3.4m4's 64-bit build and see what happens
[21:02:28] <rcjsuen> there's a well known problem on Eclipse 3.3.x for 64-bit
[21:02:33] <rbastic> realistically, when i check out my two separate folders from the repository
[21:02:48] <rbastic> shouldn't they automatically both point back at the place they came from? so that way commits/team compare work by default..
[21:03:00] <blun7> would i be better off using a different dist of eclipse?
[21:03:26] <kirkt> hey rcjsuen: i was checking out ECF for the first time. it seems there might be a bug. perhaps you're familiar with it. i log into MSN, open a chat window, type a single letter and eclipse freezes.
[21:03:37] <rcjsuen> rbastic: Yes, it "should". Does your jsp folder even have a 'CVS' folder?
[21:03:47] <rcjsuen> kirkt: It freezes for like 2 or 3 seconds, right?
[21:03:59] <kirkt> i think permenantly
[21:04:09] <kirkt> i'll verify.
[21:04:12] <rcjsuen> I haven't heard anyone file a bug over it freezing "permanently".
[21:04:22] <rbastic> for some reason not all of the subfolders have CVS folders
[21:04:55] <rcjsuen> rbastic: That means it's either a) not in CVS or b) disconnected from CVS or potentially c) some other thing.
[21:05:01] <rbastic> but when i right-click on my project's jsp folder in Eclipse, that particular root dir has a CVS dir and it doesn't work there either
[21:05:11] <rbastic> it's in cvs, i can see the files in the repository
[21:05:19] <rbastic> it's not disconnected, the beans work
[21:05:29] <rcjsuen> rbastic: Doesn't mean the other folder isn't disconnected.
[21:05:41] <rcjsuen> Or removed from the repository, or anything.
[21:05:43] <rbastic> hrm
[21:05:52] <rcjsuen> Check bugzilla
[21:06:00] <rbastic> if it's disconnected from the repository, how do i reconnect it?
[21:06:10] <NBG> Okay, works nice. Thanks
[21:06:31] <rcjsuen> Well, the CVS information is already destroyed (since you don't have the 'CVS' folders), so you have no option but to re-checkout.
[21:06:38] <rcjsuen> Unless you know hwo CVS works and magically reconstruct it by hand.
[21:06:49] <rcjsuen> This may or may not be an easy task, I don't know, I've never tried.
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[21:07:26] <kirkt> rcjsuen its still stuck, its been 3 minutes
[21:08:29] <rcjsuen> kirkt: Did it ever work?
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[21:09:58] <mateusz> Hi
[21:10:12] <mateusz> Is there any chance to see VE in Eclipse?
[21:10:12] <rcjsuen> mateusz: Hi
[21:10:16] <rbastic> rcjsuen: I just checked out that folder again, no dice
[21:10:34] <rcjsuen> rbastic: Are there 'CVS' folders?
[21:10:39] <rcjsuen> rbastic: Can you take a screenshot?
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[21:10:53] <rcjsuen> mateusz: I guess your question is, is there any chance of seeing VE in Ganymede?
[21:11:12] <mateusz> rcjsuen: europa
[21:11:52] <pombreda> mateusz: yes. there is a temporary install instruction for eclipse 33 europa here
[21:11:55] <pombreda> ~VE
[21:11:56] <rcjsuen> mateusz: Projects don't suddenly get added to Europa after Europa is already over.
[21:12:01] <rcjsuen> ~ve-install
[21:12:05] <rbastic> rcjsuen: no cvs folders... what do you want a screenshot of ?
[21:12:07] <pombreda> :-P
[21:12:14] <rcjsuen> I guess it was one of those that was removed by my mistake.
[21:12:17] <rcjsuen> ~wiki VE/Installing
[21:12:17] <KOS-MOS> Check out this wiki article - http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Installing
[21:12:19] <rcjsuen> or whatever it is
[21:12:24] <pombreda> mateusz: as for Ganymeded support...
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[21:12:29] <pombreda> yes VE will run on Ganymeded
[21:12:32] <pombreda> the question is when
[21:12:42] <rcjsuen> rbastic: I guess your project structure.
[21:12:43] <pombreda> most likely about 1 month after Ganymeded is released
[21:13:00] <pombreda> mateusz: but help is welcomed there :-P
[21:13:03] <rcjsuen> rbastic: one side package explorer, other side your Windows Explorer (or Nautilus or Konqueror or whatever you use)
[21:13:13] <mateusz> pombreda: when do You plan to release it?
[21:13:19] <mateusz> pombreda: I am not a developer at all:P
[21:13:30] <kirkt> rcjsuen: no it never worked
[21:13:41] <pombreda> mateusz: the official Europa has been scheduled for end of 2007, but I did not had the time to get to it
[21:13:51] <pombreda> I would say now early february
[21:14:22] <rcjsuen> mateusz: Then what are you?
[21:14:28] <pombreda> the Ganymeded build... we would have some early milestones sometimes in March/April and a usable builds ~ one month after Ganymeded release ~ july/august
[21:14:32] <rcjsuen> mateusz: Product manager of a bunch of VE consuming devs?
[21:14:51] <pombreda> mateusz: VE has been know to be used mostly by developers :-P
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[21:15:16] <pombreda> mateusz: but you probably meant... that you are not an eclispe develoepr
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[21:15:33] <mateusz> pombreda: yes I am not familiar with rich client platform
[21:15:58] <rcjsuen> Now's a good time to familiarize yourself ;)
[21:16:11] <mateusz> rcjsuen: first exams :D
[21:16:20] <snowman> Is it possible to use eclipse for .net developing?
[21:16:39] <rcjsuen> snowman: Depends how high your expectations are I guess? ;)
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[21:17:32] <pombreda> snowman: rcjsuen is you man for that
[21:17:39] <pombreda> rcjsuen: :-)
[21:17:49] <rcjsuen> kirkt: It is okay on my end.
[21:18:02] <pombreda> rcjsuen: have you thought of shipping a bundled mono with emonic?
[21:18:14] <rcjsuen> pombreda: No, that hasn't crossed my mind.
[21:18:16] <snowman> well actually I'm a totally beginner. I'm pretty good in JAVA, but never coded in c# / .et
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[21:18:43] <rcjsuen> pombreda: I'm in a heated (and losing) debate with the team lead right now over dropping support for 3.2. ;p
[21:18:50] <pombreda> rcjsuen: http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file link is dead
[21:18:57] <pombreda> ~log give wrong info
[21:19:00] <rcjsuen> pombreda: You mean ship it so that it is like how org.apache.ant is shipped?
[21:19:05] <pombreda> rcjsuen: yes
[21:19:06] <snowman> i just surfed the plugins a found some for .net. but the main plugin CDT didn't say that it's possibleto code .net also
[21:19:10] <pombreda> like xulrunner
[21:19:12] <pombreda> or jetty
[21:19:14] <pombreda> or tomocat
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[21:19:45] <rcjsuen> snowman: You have three options
[21:19:45] <pombreda> snowman: emonic is rcjsuen baby and the most poslihed c# eclipse tools out there imho
[21:19:56] <rcjsuen> snowman: Improve's C# plug-in, Black-Sun, or Emonic
[21:20:05] <pombreda> but rcjsuen being a honest man will give you the competition too :-D
[21:20:21] <rcjsuen> pombreda: Actually you should have the power to update KOS-MOS's messages.
[21:20:22] <rcjsuen> ~logs
[21:20:22] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[21:20:30] <rcjsuen> ~log
[21:20:31] <KOS-MOS> Eclipse logs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located_at.3F
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[21:20:57] <rcjsuen> ~set logs Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[21:20:57] <KOS-MOS> The keyword "logs" has been updated with the new reply in my database.
[21:20:59] <snowman> Yeah I found these three, but improve is from 2004, blacksun from 2006 and only emonic from 2007
[21:20:59] <rcjsuen> ~set log Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[21:21:00] <KOS-MOS> The keyword "log" has been updated with the new reply in my database.
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[21:21:25] <rcjsuen> snowman: Yes, I only know those three, if you find more, let me know. :)
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[21:21:42] <snowman> and your plugin looked for me like another try because of the small version.but tell me :-)
[21:21:53] <rcjsuen> pombreda: Is the releng for VE moving ahead?
[21:22:01] <rcjsuen> snowman: Oh, you mean because it is 0.3?
[21:22:21] <rcjsuen> I did say :) -> <rcjsuen> snowman: Depends how high your expectations are I guess? ;)
[21:22:36] <snowman> yeah :-)
[21:22:48] <snowman> So what is possible?
[21:23:16] <kirkt> rcjsuen: try it with a normal MSN Messenger running at the background (on other username). i removed it and now it works
[21:23:19] <rcjsuen> snowman: To be honest, I don't really remember what is possible in 0.3 (since that was a few months ago and I hack on Emonic quite often so development is moving along).
[21:23:26] <pombreda> snowman: small version mean nothing :-)
[21:23:33] <rcjsuen> kirkt: Oh
[21:23:44] <pombreda> rcjsuen: ve releng is not moving much. I need to get on it
[21:23:47] <snowman> rcjsuen: do you know http://www.skwash.com/
[21:23:48] <rcjsuen> kirkt: I guess the fact that you have one client open and then login through Eclipse is causing the problems.
[21:24:02] <rcjsuen> Never heard of it.
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[21:24:20] <snowman> sKWash enables a transparent integration of C/C++ and other languages (such as Java, C#, ...) in Eclipse.
[21:24:24] <rcjsuen> snowman: Right now, the code in CVS, we have decent support for viewing documentation during code completion like this but better -> http://imagebin.ca/img/7T9FRH.jpg
[21:24:31] <kirkt> rcjsuen: i normally have 2 MSNs, side by side with 2 different logins.
[21:24:32] <pombreda> skawash, a swig stuff afairc
[21:24:39] <rbastic> rcjsuen: okay, i just closed eclipse and reopened it... it looked like everything was fine until i changed/saved a file.
[21:24:56] * rcjsuen shrugs at rbastic.
[21:25:06] <snowman> rcjsuen: looks good
[21:25:06] <rbastic> ?!
[21:25:07] <rbastic> :P
[21:25:18] <rcjsuen> snowman: I need to polish NUnit support for 0.4. Since it is basically doing nothing right now, to be quite honest.
[21:25:26] <rcjsuen> rbastic: File a bug then.
[21:25:39] <snowman> rcjsuen: are there debugging possibilities?
[21:25:43] <rcjsuen> snowman: We use NAnt / Ant to build, so if you are using MSBuild it won't be integrated right now.
[21:25:53] <rcjsuen> Althoug hthere's nothing stopping you from making an external tool builder.
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[21:26:08] <rcjsuen> snowman: No, you can run programs but not debug.
[21:26:57] <snowman> is there somekind ready to run on windows version in svn?
[21:27:41] <rcjsuen> some kind of what?
[21:27:48] <rcjsuen> Some kind of debugger integration you mean?
[21:31:48] <pombreda> he was asking for a build :-)
[21:32:33] <rcjsuen> snowman: No, you'd have to build it yourself I'm afraid, we don't do nightlies.
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[21:34:43] <rcjsuen> And you're on Windows, I haven't gotten the documentation integration thing going for .NET SDK on Windows yet unfortunately :(
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[21:36:56] <lgbr> I'm trying to develop for a web app, but I keep getting this error. How can I fix it? The import javax.servlet.jsp.tagext cannot be resolved
[21:37:14] <snowman> rcjsuen: hmmm
[21:37:49] <snowman> what do you think, when will it work for windows :-)
[21:38:16] <snowman> I love eclipse for Java, and I guess your tool will be as good as the java ide soon ;-)
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[21:38:49] <pombreda> lol, I just ended up on the # channel
[21:38:53] <pombreda> the nothing channel
[21:38:56] <pombreda> by mistake
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[21:40:06] <flexus> I have two branches in a svn. trunc and test. now I want test to become the new trunc. Is Eclipses merge the right thing for that task?
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[21:41:53] <pombreda> flexus: when using subclipse, you can just make a copy in the repo view. or you can merge.
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[21:44:32] <flexus> pombreda, thx, i'm always forgetting about the perspectives
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[21:48:15] <pombreda> flexus: yes, lacking perspective can be damaging at times ;-)
[21:48:54] <rcjsuen> snowman: i am planning to get it to integrate with the .NET SDK by 0.4
[21:49:02] <rcjsuen> snowman: which is currently targeted at late March
[21:49:33] <flexus> pombreda, i'm learning that concept the hard way :-)
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[21:49:48] <rcjsuen> snowman: but it is not very hard, so technically i could probably finish it this weekend
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[21:50:28] <rcjsuen> kirkt: so you are on different accounts?
[21:53:51] * Sal is searching pdt users
[21:54:09] <rcjsuen> Sal: did you try the pdt newsgroup?
[21:54:24] <Sal> rcjsuen, yep
[21:54:38] <Sal> i wrote in it 3 days ago
[21:54:46] <Sal> still no answer
[21:55:08] <Sal> its impossible that nobody here works with php and eclipse
[21:55:19] <rcjsuen> Sal: some ppl use phpeclipse
[21:55:35] <Sal> i need debugging
[21:55:41] <paulweb515> Sal: there are a few that crop up from time to time, but I haven't seen any lately
[21:55:43] <Sal> so phpeclipse isn't the right choice
[21:56:09] <Sal> paulweb515, when you see them again, tell them that i'm searching for 'em
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[22:02:10] <Sal> paulweb515, is that one?
[22:02:25] <Sal> hehe
[22:02:49] <Sal> i'll stand here near the door, so when anyone comes in i'll ask you
[22:03:11] <rcjsuen> o.O
[22:03:16] <Sal> :)
[22:03:43] <njbartlett_> I don't think paulweb515 has a list of all the PHP users and their IRC nicks
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[22:04:01] <kirkt> rcjsuen: yes, 2 different accounts, one on Messenger, and one on ECF and that triggers the freeze
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[22:04:17] <rcjsuen> kirkt: hm, I'm not on Windows so I can't test htat
[22:05:27] <Sal> rcjsuen, that was italian humor :)
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[22:06:17] <Sal> njbartlett_, no worry, you can recognize a php programmer just looking at his mouth
[22:06:42] <njbartlett_> Sal: They drool a lot?
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[22:07:17] <Sal> no, they still have chocolate arounf it
[22:07:22] <Sal> around
[22:07:42] <Sal> some peanut butter
[22:07:51] <Sal> anyway, they have an unclean mouth
[22:07:52] <Sal> :)
[22:09:25] <kottlett> hi! I'm looking for a tool which allows for integrating review notes in the source code (i.e. rather linking them e.g. as tasks) - is there anything like this in the eclipse world? :)
[22:09:28] <d_a_carver> Sal: The PDT guys are from Zend mainly, and I suspect Zend has them pretty busy with getting Zend Studio out the door.  Unfortunately this tends to lead the PDT stuff neglected.
[22:09:42] <Sal> doing every day edit-upload-test-edit-upload-test gets you nervous
[22:09:55] <d_a_carver> Sal: It would help of PDT had more contributors or commiters that weren't part of zend.
[22:10:19] <Sal> me too
[22:10:40] <Sal> but we can also make it work without the zend plugin
[22:10:45] <Sal> there's always the xdebug
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[22:14:52] <pombreda> Sal: try phpeclipse instead of PDT and then go to #phpeclipse :-P
[22:15:28] <Sal> pombreda, good idea
[22:15:33] <pombreda> d_a_carver: the community project is phpeclipse :-;
[22:15:44] <Sal> maybe first i'll ask if they have put on a debugger
[22:15:53] <pombreda> Sal: sure
[22:18:15] <d_a_carver> pombreda: Yeah...I switched back over myself.
[22:19:18] <d_a_carver> pombreda: I needed to get work done, and didn't need PDT locking up my system at start up for 2 minutes.  But with that said, I would love to see PHPEclipse and PDT join forces and code.
[22:19:25] <d_a_carver> Better for the community in the long run.
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[22:21:17] <pombreda> d_a_carver: I would love too :-|
[22:21:39] <pombreda> d_a_carver: yet the veto has been on the pdt side, never ours
[22:21:49] <pombreda> veta is strong
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[22:22:04] <pombreda> let say zend does not seem to want to surrender any control of the project to yahoo like us
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[22:35:09] <d_a_carver> pombreda: Should open a PDT bug, and let the community vote on eit.
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[22:35:20] <d_a_carver> let the community decide.
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[22:36:21] <d_a_carver> pombreda: if nothing else, I'll open it...I'm good at opening these types of bugs.  See bug 215567 for an example. :)
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[23:16:40] <jc-denton> hi all
[23:18:06] <zx|work> howdy
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[23:19:14] <rahul_> hello
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[23:40:12] <lgbr> How do I install piAgent?
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[23:58:43] <andreus> hello. somebody, please tell me, does eclipse europa support visual editor to create visual classes? i have followed installation instructions, everything went well though i still cannot understand how to start using it. thanks in advance
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