[00:02:21] <pfn> hmm, how do I tell eclipse that I want to use java6 as my jdk/jre but compile using 1.5 bootstrap?
[00:03:27] <rcjsuen> paulweb515_: I suck at making arguments https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4726272
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[00:09:20] <nitind> rcjsuen: The counter-argument is that they can submit patches to keep it running on 3.2.
[00:11:06] <rcjsuen> nitind: you mean patch 3.2.2?
[00:12:00] <nitind> rcjsuen: I mean patch for running on 3.2.2.
[00:12:40] <rcjsuen> nitind: Sorry, you need to rephrase this in like noob speak.
[00:12:53] <rcjsuen> the problem was that FileStoreEditorInput ruined our document provider
[00:12:54] <rcjsuen> so i had to fix it
[00:13:13] <nitind> How'd it ruin it?  And why'd you have your own document provider?
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[00:13:30] <rcjsuen> nitind: we set a document partitioner, so the code sohwed
[00:14:31] <rcjsuen> nitind: we extended FileDocProv (or something)
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[00:15:37] <nitind> rcjsuen: Add an extension to org.eclipse.core.filebuffers.documentSetup or run the document through some setup code yourself instead.
[00:16:08] <nitind> rcjsuen: Like org.eclipse.jdt.ui.text.JavaTextTools.setupJavaDocumentPartitioner(IDocument).  But headless.
[00:18:45] <Appleman1234> Hi
[00:18:52] <rcjsuen> Appleman1234: Hi
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[00:19:52] <rcjsuen> nitind: our code http://emonic.cvs.sourceforge.net/emonic/emonic.base/src/org/emonic/base/editors/EMonoCSharpDocumentProvider.java?view=log
[00:20:07] <rcjsuen> and then i fixed it yesterday
[00:21:48] <rcjsuen> do we really have to have our own? maybe not, maybe we could just set a partitioner, but i don't know
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[00:22:27] <nitind> rcjsuen: I'd advise strongly against making your own.
[00:23:14] <rcjsuen> nitind: file a bug to our team and plead your case *hint hint*
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[00:50:21] <rcjsuen> nitind: wait, isn't filebuffers new for 3.3?
[00:50:40] <rcjsuen> oh nope nm
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[00:51:35] <splatch> does anyone here use eclipse 3.4?
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[00:52:48] <rcjsuen> splatch: 3.4 isn't released though ;)
[00:52:51] <rcjsuen> I use the I builds
[00:53:13] <splatch> rcjsuen: yes, i know but i saw new features in PDE
[00:53:16] <rcjsuen> nitind: Do you guys use that extension? This looks kinda coo
[00:54:44] <splatch> rcjsuen: you may be know.. who creates rssowl? I don't remember nickname
[00:54:57] <rcjsuen> splatch: benowar and ijuma work on it
[00:55:02] * rcjsuen waves at ijuma.
[00:55:17] <splatch> rcjsuen: do you use rssowl? :)
[00:55:30] <ijuma> i work on rssowl 2
[00:55:31] <rcjsuen> splatch: Nope, I don't use any RSS readers.
[00:55:34] <ijuma> 1 was just Ben
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[00:55:36] <rcjsuen> I used to use Liferea, but not anymore.
[00:55:42] <rcjsuen> Now I just...use nothing.
[00:55:58] <rcjsuen> I only use two Java applications, Eclipse and Azureus.
[00:56:00] <ijuma> rcjsuen: i don't understand how you can do that :)
[00:56:07] <splatch> ijuma: i had a small problem with new rssowl
[00:56:08] * ijuma has over 200 feeds
[00:56:17] <rcjsuen> ijuma: I go to OSN, PlanetEclipse, and Monologue, all by hand lol
[00:56:24] <ijuma> splatch: yes? Anything I can help with?
[00:56:38] <splatch> ijuma: it's consumes more than 100 mb of memory
[00:56:43] <ijuma> oh, just 177
[00:57:13] <splatch> ijuma: when you have vista every byte is important! :)
[00:57:17] <ijuma> splatch: right, the next milestone will be a lot better, but we're a bit limited by Java + eclipse rcp
[00:57:30] <ijuma> splatch: how many feeds do you have?
[00:57:37] <ijuma> (next milestone should be out next month)
[00:57:51] <splatch> ijuma: about 10, might be more
[00:58:07] <ijuma> splatch: what does the heap monitor say?
[00:58:19] <ijuma> splatch: you can enable it in the preferences
[00:58:42] <splatch> wait a moment please, i've new system installation
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[00:59:20] <rcjsuen> splatch: The milestone builds for 3.4 are quite stable imo if you want to give it a spin.
[01:00:39] <ijuma> splatch: btw the next milestone will also contain keyword subscriptions, news bins, undo/redo, many performance improvements including memory usage. However, I have to be honest, for very few feeds, we will never be very good in memory usage because of the base libraries
[01:00:54] <ijuma> they just have too much footprint
[01:01:15] <ijuma> but as you add more feeds, it gets better because we don't store much in memory
[01:01:35] <splatch> ijuma: now, with default feeds rssowl have about 94mb
[01:01:52] <ijuma> splatch: right, but that's 200 feeds right?
[01:02:02] <ijuma> splatch: also, what does the heap monitor say?
[01:02:13] <rcjsuen> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=215563
[01:02:13] <rcjsuen> lol
[01:02:20] <rcjsuen> "Unfortunately JDT allows only a single JRE for all java projects." o rly?
[01:03:59] <splatch> ijuma: yes, there is a lot of feeds
[01:04:07] <splatch> and more than 10k unreaded items
[01:04:23] <splatch> 121 mb, not bad :)
[01:05:16] <ijuma> splatch: sorry, but that can't be the heap monitor :)
[01:05:26] <ijuma> splatch: do you know how to enable it?
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[01:12:45] <yoanis> hello there
[01:12:57] <ijuma> splatch: Tools -> Preferences -> Show heap monitor (in case you don't)
[01:13:00] <ijuma> yoanis: hi
[01:13:07] <rcjsuen> yoanis: Hi
[01:13:12] <yoanis> hi there people
[01:13:14] <yoanis> :D
[01:13:31] <yoanis> i'm getting this when generating a webservice
[01:13:37] <yoanis> "  axis-admin failed with  {http://xml.apache.org/axis/}HTTP (404)Not Found"
[01:14:01] <yoanis> I'm using Xfire2, but even if i use Axis2, i get the same error
[01:14:22] <yoanis> Xfire2 with annotations (JSR-181)
[01:14:51] <yoanis> i'm using  wtp 2.0 bundle for Linux
[01:20:00] <splatch> ijuma: 46 of 60mb
[01:20:39] <ijuma> splatch: thanks. That's a bit high
[01:20:52] <splatch> ijuma: after calling GC, 8M
[01:20:58] <splatch> i called gc by hand
[01:21:09] <ijuma> splatch: Right, what JVM are you using?
[01:21:24] <splatch> 1.6 update 2
[01:21:39] <splatch> sorry, update 3
[01:21:51] <splatch> the most stranger is memory usage
[01:21:52] <rcjsuen> yoanis: nitind might be able to help you.
[01:21:58] <rcjsuen> ~tell yoanis about info
[01:21:58] <KOS-MOS> yoanis: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[01:22:01] <splatch> stupid vista still shows 120 mb
[01:22:04] <ijuma> splatch: 32 bits?
[01:22:19] <splatch> yes
[01:22:20] <ijuma> splatch: well, there are other things, like the jvm + the embedded browser
[01:22:38] <ijuma> also the vista task manager shows some shared memory as part of the process memory (as well as linux)
[01:22:41] <splatch> but i've just kick off 50mb from stack
[01:22:48] <splatch> sorry, from heap
[01:23:09] <ijuma> splatch: right
[01:23:20] <ijuma> splatch: btw, you can change rssowl.ini to have a smaller heap at the start
[01:23:44] <ijuma> splatch: the default is 40mb which is fine for the default feeds (200), but if you have a small amount, you can decrease that
[01:23:51] <splatch> ijuma: yes, i will do this
[01:24:10] <splatch> and i'll remove standard channels :)
[01:24:17] <ijuma> it's the -Xms one
[01:24:26] <ijuma> splatch: :)
[01:24:41] <ijuma> splatch: make sure to upgrade to milestone 8 as soon as that's out :)
[01:24:43] <ijuma> it's a lot better
[01:24:55] * ijuma is using that now
[01:25:27] * splatch subscribes RSSowl channel :)
[01:27:07] <ijuma> splatch: good call :)
[01:29:35] <splatch> Thread.sleep(TimeUnit.HOUR.toMilliseconds(1));
[01:29:40] <splatch> bye :)
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[01:42:08] <njbartlett_> I have this maddening problem with the OSGi Framework launcher in both 3.3.11 and 3.4M*. It just won't keep the platform running after the osgi> prompt has appeared, no matter what combination I throw at it.
[01:42:21] <njbartlett_> combination of command line params, I mean
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[01:48:13] <yoanis> rcjsuen i'm using Kubuntu 7.10 and kernel version is  2.6.22-14-generic). My java JRE is java-6-sun-1.6.0.03. Eclipse version is 3.3.0 and Build id: I20070625-1500. I downloaded from:http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/. The actual link is not there, but it's a WTP 2.0 release
[01:48:57] <rcjsuen> you might want to check bugzilla
[01:49:00] <rcjsuen> or try a newer build
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[01:50:10] <d_a_carver> yoanis: what's the issue you are experiencing?
[01:51:12] <d_a_carver> I have users that get weird issues with java 1.6 jres and eclipse 3.3, I recommend staying with 1.5 if you are experiencing issues.
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[01:56:38] <yoanis> well, i get the error when deploying the web service to the axis runtime environment
[01:57:16] <yoanis> the wizzard is posting to http://localhost/nutchws/services/AdminService
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[01:57:34] <yoanis> and i don't have services/AdminService
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[02:14:05] <Appleman1234> Is anyone familiar with the Eclipse View Architecture ?
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[02:25:20] <rcjsuen> Appleman1234: you should just ask the real question
[02:25:35] <zx> njbartlett_, :)
[02:26:04] <njbartlett_> Hi zx. I'm just about to raise a bug about it
[02:26:34] <zx> njbartlett_, are there any daemon threads running?
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[02:27:00] <SatanClaus> hi, how can I stop a runaway eclipse?
[02:27:20] <rcjsuen> with good ol' 'kill' or 'Task Manager' I guess
[02:27:54] <njbartlett_> njbartlett_: Yeah the weird thing is, if I debug into the EclipseStarter, that code is running on a daemon thread. Right back to org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main
[02:28:06] <SatanClaus> rcjsuen: well, it doesn't respond to sigterm and sigint
[02:28:44] <rcjsuen> No idea what those are.
[02:28:47] <SatanClaus> I mean I could go for sigkill, but that won't give it any chance to at least back up part of what I just did...
[02:28:52] <rcjsuen> Are you testing for 'java' processes or 'eclipse' processes.
[02:28:55] <zx> njbartlett_, I believe the framework has something built in if no daemon threads are running, it shuts down... there's something inside the framework I think
[02:29:10] <SatanClaus> rcjsuen: both
[02:29:14] <njbartlett_> zx: The non-daemon main thread seems to be the one running the osgi console, but that shuts down as soon as the Main in the daemon thread has completed
[02:29:15] * zx tries to remember
[02:29:30] <SatanClaus> eclipse first :(
[02:29:41] <SatanClaus> how can I at least find out what caused the crash?
[02:30:08] <rcjsuen> ~tell SatanClaus about logs
[02:30:09] <KOS-MOS> SatanClaus: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[02:30:33] <SatanClaus> because it drives me nuts when I'm just removing a line in the editor and boom, eclipse is gone, 100 % cpu, nothing left than killall eclipse && killall -9 java
[02:30:38] <SatanClaus> rcjsuen: thx
[02:30:46] <njbartlett_> SatanClaus: If a process doesn't respond to sigterm then sigkill is your only choice. Really it's not Eclipse's fault, the JVM shouldn't let it happen ;-)
[02:31:24] <rcjsuen> ~tell SatanClaus about info
[02:31:25] <KOS-MOS> SatanClaus: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[02:31:35] <zx> njbartlett_, so if there are no daemon threads running, I think there's some type if timer in OSGi that shuts itself off
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[02:31:43] <zx> njbartlett_, or it could be down at the VM level
[02:31:49] * zx doesn't remember the specifics
[02:31:59] <njbartlett_> zx: Hmm, that seems to be contrary to the whole point of daemon threads in Java
[02:32:28] <njbartlett_> zx: Anyway, I think it's a bug.
[02:32:52] <zx> njbartlett_, I'm pretty sure it isn't as I ran into this problem when refactoring the console out of Equinox... after like 5 seconds, things would shutdown ;d
[02:33:06] <njbartlett_> Possibly only on Mac OS though? Maybe related to the tricks we have to do get the SWT event loop onto the main thread? Although I'm not using SWT in this case.
[02:33:15] <zx> where's a vm expert when you need them
[02:33:25] <zx> oh interesting
[02:33:27] <SatanClaus> KOS-MOS: I'll paste it with that log... anyhow, i guess that it's related to x86_64 as so often (ubuntu)
[02:33:31] <zx> could be mac related
[02:34:00] <njbartlett_> Possibly. Lets see what happens
[02:34:13] <zx> actually, I think what the VM does is this
[02:34:24] <zx> if only daemon threads are running, it will shutdow
[02:35:57] <SatanClaus> haha
[02:36:06] <SatanClaus> The workspace exited with unsaved changes in the previous session; refreshing workspace to recover changes.
[02:36:12] <SatanClaus> An exception stack trace is not available.
[02:36:33] <SatanClaus> eclipse.buildId=M20071023-1652
[02:36:34] <SatanClaus> java.version=1.6.0
[02:36:34] <SatanClaus> java.vendor=Sun Microsystems Inc.
[02:36:34] <SatanClaus> BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86_64, WS=gtk, NL=en_US
[02:36:34] <SatanClaus> Command-line arguments:  -os linux -ws gtk -arch x86_64
[02:37:07] <SatanClaus> the same like 40 minite before (when it crashed last)
[02:39:37] <SatanClaus> well, that's all in the error log for today
[02:40:23] <njbartlett_> zx: Any idea which component to report this against?
[02:40:24] <Appleman1234> None of my SWT buttons or the Zest Layout or any other controls are visible in the view for my plugin ? Is that caused by the fact I create them in another class' main method and get the createPartCalc to call that other classes main method ?
[02:41:15] <zx> njbartlett_, PDE UI, cc'd tjwatson at us dot ibm.com
[02:41:59] <SatanClaus> actually that was for rcjsuen, not for KOS-MOS ;)
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[02:42:48] <rcjsuen> SatanClaus: Use a pastebin next time please.
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[02:43:14] <rcjsuen> Not sure what to tell you if you can't kill the process.
[02:44:09] <SatanClaus> rcjsuen: well, it seems that kill -9 did no harm, but it's very ugly and I didn't have to use it for quite a while...
[02:45:58] <njbartlett_> zx: Cool thanks. Would appreciate if somebody could try to reproduce on non-Mac OS.
[02:46:51] <SatanClaus> rcjsuen: and without any kind of criticism: look how much text you caused by those two commands to KOS-MOS... perhaps you should paste links instead as well :p
[02:47:18] <rcjsuen> SatanClaus: An interesting proposition.
[02:47:29] <rcjsuen> SatanClaus: Please file a bug.
[02:48:08] <SatanClaus> rcjsuen: i would... but a bug report without any error-log seems quite uhm...
[02:48:19] <SatanClaus> unlikely to be fixed
[02:48:38] <rcjsuen> SatanClaus: I meant file a bug to ECF to me to tell me to have the bot use a pastebin to convey information.
[02:49:00] <SatanClaus> haha
[02:49:09] <rcjsuen> Your best bet would be to think about what you were doing before it crashed and try to reproduce it.
[02:49:26] <SatanClaus> come on... i just edited code
[02:49:37] <SatanClaus> that was all
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[02:49:58] <rcjsuen> Well, I don't know what to tell you.
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[02:52:05] <zx> njbartlett_, when you launch in debug mode, what threads do you see active?
[02:52:19] <zx> njbartlett_, is the console on a non-daemon thread?
[02:52:24] <SatanClaus> tell me never to go for all the hussle with x86_64 again
[02:52:47] <rcjsuen> I doubt that's the problem.
[02:53:08] <rcjsuen> Appleman1234: It depends on how you're creating them.
[02:53:31] <SatanClaus> anyhow... thx for your help (catched an exception thrown by bed)
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[02:54:07] <njbartlett_> zx: Just two threads. The main thread which is running the console, and a daemon thread which is where EclipseStarter is running
[02:56:04] <zx> njbartlett_, dump your stacktrace to the bug if possible
[02:56:09] <zx> njbartlett_, I can't reproduce in windows and linux
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[02:59:08] <njbartlett_> zx: Will do. Oh after letting EclipseStarter run almost to the end, a couple more daemon threads have appeared: Framework Event Dispatcher, OSGi Console and Start Level Event Dispatcher
[02:59:51] <njbartlett_> zx: Hmm so actually I have no idea what the main thread is doing. If it just creates a bunch of daemons and then exits, then of course the whole VM is going to shutdown
[03:05:15] <zx> njbartlett_, console shouldn't be on a daemon thread
[03:05:28] <zx> k, time to run for some food, good luck
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[03:08:52] <njbartlett_> zx: Okay. I've attached the stack dump, thanks for your help
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[03:28:26] <rchern> does eclipse have tools for restful webservice development?
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[03:53:11] <rcjsuen> rchern: Project Zero kinda does REST stuff.
[03:53:32] <rcjsuen> rchern: http://www.projectzero.org/wiki/bin/view/
[03:55:27] <rchern> hrmph
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[04:00:32] <juacom99> hi
[04:00:46] <rcjsuen> juacom99: Hi
[04:00:50] <juacom99> is there any java room in this server?
[04:00:56] <rcjsuen> ##java
[04:01:03] <juacom99> thaiks
[04:01:04] <juacom99> *thanks
[04:01:49] <juacom99> one quiestion
[04:02:05] <juacom99> i like to have a byte list
[04:02:20] <juacom99> but it seams all i can get is a Byte list
[04:02:30] <juacom99> is that posible?
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[04:03:33] <rchern> so that's the only rest support?
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[04:11:13] <Hanif> I have a java file in the project but the file no longer exists, how do i remove it from the project?
[04:11:49] <juacom99> i mean i got to make a packaje to send over the net.
[04:12:13] <juacom99> and on element of the pakaje is the ip in a byte[]
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[04:16:08] <nitind> Hanif: File|Refresh from the main menubar on at least the folder containing the file.
[04:17:09] <juacom99> is there any class to convert from any type to byte[]??
[04:17:33] <Hanif> ok
[04:17:34] <Hanif> thanks
[04:17:42] <juacom99> int and String for example
[04:18:05] <rchern> juacom have you done your own searches?
[04:18:57] <juacom99> yes all day trying
[04:19:16] <juacom99> and i i got is a way to make a mathood
[04:19:27] <juacom99> i did one dor int to byte
[04:19:51] <rchern> ugh i might try to help if i could understand wth you are saying, heh
[04:20:18] <juacom99> i search on google
[04:20:35] <juacom99> and find a way to convert int to byte[]
[04:20:52] <juacom99> so i make a methood using that way
[04:21:22] <juacom99> now i'm trying to convert from a string in UTF8 to a byte[]
[04:21:35] <juacom99> and i cant find a way to do it :S
[04:22:23] <rchern> then you've not looked at the api
[04:22:59] <juacom99> i did serch on google :S
[04:23:14] <rchern> not well
[04:23:26] <rchern> there a bot here?
[04:23:27] <rchern> !help
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[04:23:42] <rchern> you really should be asking this in a java channel
[04:23:46] <rchern> look at the string api.
[04:24:04] <Coded1> I was wondering what recommendations any of you might have on a collaboration tool that deals with pure java/jsp(tomcat) and eclipse
[04:24:27] <juacom99> i can't get in :S
[04:24:49] <Coded1> like a csv type system and a wiki rolled into one
[04:24:49] <rchern> that i find hard to believe.
[04:24:53] <Coded1> im guessing
[04:25:18] <rchern> here let me do all the work *eye roll*
[04:25:19] <rchern> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/lang/String.html
[04:25:24] <juacom99> really is like if the java channel is off :S
[04:25:39] <rchern> no clue why 1.4.2 is what came up in the search
[04:25:48] <rchern> you don't turn a channel off
[04:25:49] <rchern> heh
[04:26:12] <juacom99> ohhh string have a getBytes methood
[04:26:15] <juacom99> O.o
[04:27:40] <rchern> how you managed to miss that if your search included "java", "string", and "byte[]" i have no clue.  there's only about 230,000 results...
[04:28:30] <juacom99> i'm doing severals things at the same time :(
[04:28:58] <juacom99> i'm trying to make a datagram for a program
[04:29:15] <juacom99> anda i cant find the way it works right
[04:29:19] <rchern> have fun
[04:29:40] <juacom99> thnaks
[04:29:44] <juacom99> *thanks
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[04:48:52] <HanifB> http://rafb.net/p/IShFKL44.html At line 88 catch (IOException ioe) Eclipse says: Unreachable catch block for IOException. How do I solve this warning?
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[05:10:20] <rcjsuen> rchern: there are probably alternatives
[05:10:23] <rcjsuen> ~tell rchern about plugins
[05:10:23] <KOS-MOS> rchern: Look for plug-ins at the Eclipse Plug-in Central (http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/) and EclipsePlugins (http://eclipse-plugins.info)
[05:10:56] <rcjsuen> HanifB: I guess delete it
[05:10:56] <rchern> i know of the sites already, thanks though.
[05:11:04] <HanifB> ya
[05:11:06] <HanifB> thanks
[05:11:46] <rcjsuen> rchern: Are you still doing your Master's?
[05:12:19] <rchern> not since i earned it
[05:12:20] <rchern> haha
[05:12:28] <rcjsuen> oho
[05:12:43] <rchern> :P
[05:12:53] <rcjsuen> what a twist!
[05:13:04] <rchern> i graduated in may
[05:13:08] <HanifB> masters in what
[05:13:35] <rchern> computer science
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[05:14:20] <HanifB> nice
[05:14:24] <HanifB> I am doing my BA in Comp Sci
[05:14:34] <HanifB> I already got my 3 year diploma in Comp Sci
[05:14:40] <HanifB> rchern: do you work now?
[05:14:50] <rchern> yes
[05:20:29] <rcjsuen> rchern: are you in the industry or in Wash U
[05:21:40] <rchern> industry.  i do web development for a brokerage firm
[05:22:08] <rcjsuen> ah
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[06:28:07] <rawake> is there a way to delete a project out of eclipse without being in eclipse?
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[08:30:49] <Patrick_K> hi *
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[09:54:25] <pimpf> hi peeps
[09:58:54] <MacGyverNL> Is the "Eclipse Modeling Framework Technology OCL SDK 1.0.1 v200611161546" superceded by "EMF Model Query SDK 1.1.0.v200706071712-54-91..."
[09:59:12] <MacGyverNL> Because the former has been disabled, but I can't seem to be able to find out why.
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[10:53:49] <Aleph_On1> Hi, is there a way to search/replace multilines in Eclipse?
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[10:55:31] <Aleph_One> Or somehow search/replace the comment that is on the first 21 lines of every java file.
[11:00:05] <pimpf> thats a tough one, I guess :-/
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[11:06:18] <amitev> this will be easy to do with java code
[11:07:33] <Aleph_One> amitev, if the function already exist somwhere i don't want to spend time writing it, but yes it's possible that i will write a plugin for it later.. right now i'm a deadline ;)
[11:07:50] <Aleph_One> s/a/on a
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[12:12:13] <MacGyverNL> Can anyone tell me why "Eclipse Modeling Framework Technology OCL SDK 1.0.1 v200611161546" is disabled, without any information on why, and without the option to enable it?
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[12:45:27] <gromgull> Layouts are done in the order things are added to the parent... is there a way to insert something at the start?
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[13:05:33] <ulfdoz> Does someone have an example for a filter file, for use with standalone profiling and tptp? The documentation lacks the root element.
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[13:25:33] <rcjsuen> rawake: Don't think so. You could delete the folder but then Eclipse doesn't know that it's disconnected so it'll still try to load that folder upon startup.
[13:25:36] <rcjsuen> Patrick_K: Hi
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[13:26:45] <rcjsuen> ~tell gromgull about api Control#moveAbove()
[13:26:46] <KOS-MOS> gromgull: Control#moveAbove - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Control.html#moveAbove()
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[13:27:43] <gromgull> rcjsuen: you know everything ! Thanks!
[13:31:49] <MacGyverNL> Can anyone tell me why "Eclipse Modeling Framework Technology OCL SDK 1.0.1 v200611161546" is disabled, without any information on why, and without the option to enable it?
[13:32:10] <MacGyverNL> My guess is it's been superceded, but I can't see by what.
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[13:47:30] <DeeEmm> hi
[13:48:57] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: Hi
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[13:50:48] <DeeEmm> I've just moved os's to linux and I'm considering using eclipse as a replacement for code that I would have normally written in .net - any comments on making the transition?
[13:52:12] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: For .NET development on Linux, you have Improve's C# plug-in, Black Sun's C# plug-in, and the Emonic plug-in for Eclipse, or you can try MonoDevelop. Assuming that's what you mean by transition.
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[13:54:17] <DeeEmm> ok, cool. does it also function as an editor - could it replace ultraedit studio?
[13:54:32] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: Never used UltraEdit Studio, sorry.
[13:54:39] <rcjsuen> So I'm not familiar with its capabilities.
[13:54:56] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: All four of those choices do have editors, with varying degrees of maturity, etc.
[13:56:16] <DeeEmm> I code in many different languages - ultraedit is just a powerful text editor but it allows me to set calls for different compilers - can eclipse be setup like that or is it dedicated to specific languages?
[13:57:34] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: Eclipse is a platform. It can do "whatever" people build on top of it. There are plug-ins for various languages, Java, C/C++, Python, Ruby, Perl, Fortran, C# (the three I listed are C#, they don't do VB.NET), HTML, PHP, the list goes on.
[13:58:14] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: You _can_ setup Eclipse to use external tools to build (like telling it to run Make or whatever), or you can use a plug-in, which would (hopefully) be more sophisticated than that and provide more powerful features. Do you understand what I am getting at?
[13:59:47] <DeeEmm> I'm looking to replace my .net coding with java not really fussed about that (moved to linux to get away from windows - lol) It seems like the flexibility it there - guess I need to try it out
[14:00:36] <DeeEmm> what package would be best to start with ? I notice there are a few - currently a bulk of my work is in php / sql / css / html
[14:01:49] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: I guess maybe you should try the PDT all-in-one to see how it fits your taste.
[14:02:23] <rcjsuen> This assumes you are on 32-bit Linux. http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/downloads/?release=S20071213-M1
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[14:03:00] <rcjsuen> If you _are_ going to do Java development, you could also just get Eclipse Classic or the Eclipse for Java Developers editoin and then download plug-ins from that base.
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[14:03:48] <DeeEmm> so the pdt and java development tools are seperate
[14:03:59] <DeeEmm> (thanks for the link btw)
[14:04:16] <rcjsuen> Define "separate".
[14:04:18] <MacGyverNL> rcjsuen: I'm having some trouble updating my Eclipse, but I noticed that I'm installing 95% of the available features anyway after getting the eclipse classic as a base.
[14:04:24] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: They're not in the same package, if that's what you mean.
[14:04:27] <MacGyverNL> What would you suggest?
[14:04:30] <rcjsuen> ~tell DeeEmm about compare
[14:04:32] <KOS-MOS> DeeEmm: Wondering what the difference between all those Eclipse packages are? See http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php
[14:04:48] <rcjsuen> MacGyverNL: Rephrase.
[14:04:54] <DeeEmm> sorry - by separate I mean two separate guis
[14:05:02] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: Eh?
[14:05:45] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: If you add PDT or PHPEclipse as a plug-in to your Java download, you can still do PHP.
[14:05:59] <rcjsuen> As long as the plug-ins play nicely, they are rarely mutually exclusive.
[14:06:00] <DeeEmm> ahh ok - i understand
[14:06:05] <MacGyverNL> rcjsuen: I decided I wanted Eclipse. But I code in many different languages. So I downloaded the Classic package. I then used the update manager to install features I wanted. Turns out that that's 95% of the contents of the Europa discovery site.
[14:06:16] <MacGyverNL> However, after installing, it adds a lot of update sites again.
[14:06:25] <rcjsuen> MacGyverNL: Alright
[14:06:41] <rcjsuen> There isn't a download that says "get all 21 projects of Europa"
[14:06:49] <DeeEmm> lol
[14:06:51] <MacGyverNL> :(
[14:07:07] <rcjsuen> That's a huge package and doesn't sound practical imo.
[14:07:15] <MacGyverNL> It would be fun to mess around with.
[14:07:40] <MacGyverNL> I've got the disk space, might as well play with it.
[14:07:50] <rcjsuen> if you think there should be such a package, file a bug
[14:07:56] <DeeEmm> how steel a learning curve would you say it is - is it intuitive to learn?
[14:08:20] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: No comment, I started using Eclipse three years ago.
[14:08:23] <MacGyverNL> So assume I do want all 21 europa projects, I would then have to sniff out the update site for each of them and add it manually, circumventing the Europa discovery entirely?
[14:08:44] <rcjsuen> MacGyverNL: Why add them all when there is a "Europa Discovery Site" already there?
[14:09:22] <MacGyverNL> Because after install from the Europa discovery site, they add update sites themselves. And it also appears that the EMF OCL SDK package is messing up somehow.
[14:09:47] <rcjsuen> They add more update sites themselves? How odd, never heard of that problem personally.
[14:09:48] <MacGyverNL> I wonder if that might make a difference if I circumvent the Europa discovery.
[14:10:05] <DeeEmm> rcjsuen: yeah I can appreciate that was a bit of an ambiguous comment - I'm at a stage where I NEED to adopt a alternative to the tools that I currently use but am trying to make an informed choice
[14:10:05] <MacGyverNL> Perhaps I should rephrase that.
[14:11:16] <MacGyverNL> I install eclipse, raw. The only site available to get new features from is the europa discovery site. However, when I install a new package, it adds the site for that package to the list. Now, if Europa decides to install a new and an old version, I suddenly have 2 sites for the same project.
[14:11:34] <MacGyverNL> I had 3 sites for the EMF when I decided to start afresh.
[14:11:48] <rcjsuen> how odd
[14:11:56] <rcjsuen> when i added wst it didn't add wtp update sites to my installatio
[14:12:23] <DeeEmm> so how do you find eclipse - do you use it on a day to day basis - does it hold up?
[14:12:42] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: Everyone approaches their plug-ins differently although one would hope that, you know, they all kinda work the same. But some people put options here, some people put it there.
[14:12:53] <rcjsuen> DeeEmm: I use it everyday, yes.
[14:13:26] <MacGyverNL> rcjsuen: So all you have is the Europa Discovery site?
[14:13:38] <rcjsuen> MacGyverNL: when i last installed wst a few months ago, yes
[14:13:43] <rcjsuen> well, i also have Eclipse Project Updates
[14:13:44] <rcjsuen> but anyway
[14:13:50] <rcjsuen> that was there already with Europa anyway
[14:16:04] <DeeEmm> Thanks for the chat - time for some zzzz here (tis late)
[14:16:09] <rcjsuen> bye
[14:16:17] <DeeEmm> I will give it a go
[14:16:19] <DeeEmm> cheers
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[14:18:06] <rcjsuen> MacGyverNL: What exactly are you doing that requires you to get "all" the projects anyway
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[14:21:00] <MacGyverNL> rcjsuen: Well, nothing "requires" me to. However, I develop in Java and C++, I want to learn TCL in due time, I do data manipulation with multiple databases, I do performance testing on software...
[14:21:14] <MacGyverNL> And I like to tinker and toy around with things, generally.
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[14:22:15] <rcjsuen> ic
[14:22:24] <rcjsuen> that's not really "everything"
[14:22:29] <rcjsuen> JDT, CDT, DTP, TPTP
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[14:23:19] <MacGyverNL> BIRT too.
[14:23:34] <MacGyverNL> Mylyn looks nice, want to try it out.
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[14:55:14] <dos000> howdy
[14:55:45] <dos000> anyone can take a look at this http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=71540&group=eclipse.platform#71540
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[15:03:49] <rcjsuen> Anyone familiar with the entry point for creating groups in the 'Problems' view?
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[15:04:48] <rcjsuen> dos000: change the about dialog in what way?
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[15:13:42] <rcjsuen> looks like org.eclipse.ui.ide.markerSupport is the one with markerGrouping, markerGroupingEntry, and markerAttributeGrouping
[15:13:48] <lemmy> Is it possible to prevent a view from being restored after restart?
[15:14:16] <lemmy> Or do I have to listen for shutdown events and close the view explicitly?
[15:14:33] <rcjsuen> paulweb515: ^
[15:15:48] <paulweb515> lemmy: the workbench will restore all the views ... you would have to try and close them in a postWindowOpen() or a workbench postRestore() if you are in an RCP app
[15:16:44] <lemmy> paulweb515, do you think it's worth filling an enhancement request so views can be defined to not get restored?
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[15:17:39] <lemmy> My use case is a server property view for a server that might not be present after restart, thus the view shouldn't be created anymore.
[15:18:07] <rcjsuen> You have unique secondary views per server?
[15:18:32] <rcjsuen> Did you also hack it to not have that option in Show View?
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[15:22:37] <paulweb515> lemmy: you can always file a request, although anything to do with WorkbenchParts has a pretty low priority these days ... the best you might be able to get is the ability to mark some views as not-restorable so that they will never be restored.
[15:23:01] <paulweb515> lemmy: there wouldn't be a way added so you could programmatically kill ViewReferences before startup
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[15:24:31] <lemmy> not-restorable is exactly what I had in mind
[15:24:57] <lemmy> rcjsuen, the "Show view" problem is next on my list
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[15:25:34] <rcjsuen> lemmy: Ah
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[15:35:21] <lemmy> rcjsuen, do you know of a way other than http://wiki.eclipse.org/Product_Customization
[15:35:25] <lemmy> ?
[15:35:46] <rcjsuen> lemmy: Not familiar with that stuff, that's Kim's stuff.
[15:38:05] <rcjsuen> class
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[15:39:09] <paulweb515> lemmy: you can make views disappear with activities ... if the 3.4 work gets in, certain activities will also remove things from the "Show all views" or "Show all Perspectives" checkbox
[15:40:41] <lemmy> thx
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[15:51:26] <Trollinator> Is there a keyboard shortcut to switch to the next or previous file tab?
[15:52:06] <Trollinator> I only know Alt+arrows, but i don't like that.
[15:54:04] <paulweb515> Trollinator: CTRL+F6 will walk the editor MRU list
[15:54:32] <Trollinator> paulweb515: that doesn't work.
[15:55:29] <Trollinator> oh, i should have mentioned that I'm using CDT, not JDT
[15:56:06] <paulweb515> CTRL+F6 should switch (in the MRU list, which is not quite the same as the Tab list) no matter what you are using (unless CDT overrides it)
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[15:57:28] <Trollinator> paulweb515: i just found the settings for the keys in Windows/Preferences/General/Keys.
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[15:57:36] <Trollinator> and it says Ctrl-F6 there.
[15:57:42] <Trollinator> yet it doesn't work :(
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[16:01:54] <paulweb515> Trollinator: it doesn't do anything?  Is there anything in your Error log?
[16:02:42] <Trollinator> paulweb515: I've changed to another key combination and it works now.
[16:02:50] <Trollinator> It didn't do anything before, yes.
[16:03:37] <Trollinator> um, something is wrong with my Ctrl key.
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[16:04:02] <Trollinator> I have a new keyboard, and the key shortcuts involving Ctrl behave strange
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[16:04:19] <Trollinator> Like, i press Ctrl-Z and clears the file completely :(
[16:04:35] <Trollinator> anyway, it doesn't seem to be an Eclipse problem.
[16:04:59] <paulweb515> Trollinator: ah, OK ... maybe the keyboard is being mapped to a different language?  Russian or German?
[16:05:35] <Trollinator> I _am_ german
[16:06:05] <Trollinator> ha, you're right.
[16:06:14] <Trollinator> thanks.
[16:06:16] <paulweb515> Those Russians :-)
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[16:10:37] <DPAK0H> yes, we are here
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[16:22:47] <jimcan> Hi all, where in my plugin would I add a listener that listens for a specific editor to open?
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[16:30:08] <dos000> anyone has a step by step tutorial in customizeng eclipse ?
[16:30:32] <dos000> i mean generation something similar to the platform bud branded
[16:30:40] <paulweb515> jimcan: you can add your IPartListener in your plugin activator ... your start(BundleContext) method
[16:31:06] <dos000> rcjsuen: ping
[16:31:07] <paulweb515> jimcan: it will remain quite until something activates your bundle (a view or editor shows up, a user action, etc) then it will be registered
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[16:31:52] <dos000> i tried creating a plugin and try to use a product configuration that resembeles the platform plugins
[16:31:54] <paulweb515> jimcan: the only thing to remember is that it is normally a good idea to schedule a UIJob from your start(*) method to do whatever work is necessary if it involves workbench methods that aren't marked as being able to run off of the UI thread
[16:32:50] <jimcan> great, thank you
[16:33:21] <jimcan> that's what I needed to know :)
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[16:39:32] <secureT> hiho
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[16:41:30] <secureT> doing this: System.out.print("asdf" | )
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[16:41:44] <secureT> | = means cruiser position
[16:42:05] <secureT> and when iam on this position with cruiser pressing : ";"
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[16:42:25] <secureT> it'll do doing this: System.out.print("asdf" ;)
[16:42:39] <secureT> but i want it to do: doing this: System.out.print("asdf" );
[16:43:05] <secureT> you know what i mean?
[16:43:38] <paulweb515> secureT: if you are in one of the macros, either finishing the ) or  will move you to the next cursor position
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[16:55:06] <shampoonator> hi, i got a little rcp issue (i cant fix)
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[16:55:40] <shampoonator> i got a navigator view, wchich works fine as a plugin, but when i try to run it in a simple rcp the navigator view simply stays emty
[16:55:56] <shampoonator> any ideas :)?
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[17:14:20] <paulweb515> shampoonator: did you set the page input?
[17:14:36] <paulweb515> all gone
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[17:15:13] <paulweb515> The other potential problem is "WorkbenchAdapterBuilder.registerAdapters();" in the WorkbenchAdvisor
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[17:21:31] <Qube> Question: I have a text file with Japanese characters embedded in UTF-8...  But when I open it in eclipse it looks bad... I tried changing the character set to utf-8 but it is like the editor doesnt have the font installed (although my windows does and can display it outside of eclipse)
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[17:25:32] <squirrelpimp>  hi
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[17:26:23] <bigup> hi all
[17:26:40] <bigup>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
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[17:27:48] <squirrelpimp> i'd like to use eclipse on my desktop-computer when travellig using my notebook. I can connect via ssh but the connection is not that fast. Is there a way to run eclipse on the command line or to connect to an already running eclipse to send commands?
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[17:28:39] <bigup_hpc> you want to develop with eclipse in command line mode ?
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[17:29:17] <squirrelpimp> i'd like to use eclipse to build projects which could edit via ssh
[17:29:45] <squirrelpimp> right now i'd like to have eclipse build a latex-document...
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[17:32:00] <bigup_hpc> i know it's possible to build a RCP application in commandline but i don't know for latex documents
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[17:36:28] <n_np> can i copy the linux exec of php to the window's dir of it and run it with all the updates and stuff i downloaded with windows- in linux?
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[17:38:02] <rcjsuen> secureT: that should be awesome, a setting in the preferences
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[17:42:38] <n_np> is there an eclipse ftp function?
[17:42:44] <n_np> hello?
[17:43:37] <rcjsuen> ~tm
[17:43:38] <KOS-MOS> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/
[17:43:40] <paulweb515> n_np: There is one in the target manager set of plugins ...
[17:44:00] <paulweb515> n_np: and 6 seconds is *way* to short to wait for a response on IRC ... try 15 minutes next time
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[18:03:56] <moepman> hmm, i get a syntax error on a blank line, and cant get rid of it in tth pdt
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[18:04:16] <dinochopins> hi everyone
[18:04:57] <rcjsuen> ~hi
[18:04:57] <KOS-MOS> Welcome to this channel. If you have a question, please ask it. Or, type ~faq for a link to the Frequently Asked Questions.
[18:05:11] <dinochopins> I download source code from Pentaho DI with its own directory structure and has ant build.xml on its root. How can I properly load it into Eclipse environment ?
[18:05:38] <dinochopins> and the source is in src subfolder.
[18:06:15] <dinochopins> ~faq
[18:06:16] <KOS-MOS> Please see the FAQs http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs
[18:06:18] <rcjsuen> dinochopins: File > Import
[18:06:34] <dinochopins> rcjsuen: From the root folder ?
[18:06:44] <rcjsuen> choose the build file
[18:06:54] <moepman> hmm, i get a syntax error on a blank line in the pdt, how do i get rid of it?
[18:07:11] <dinochopins> rcjsuen: build.xml ?
[18:07:19] <rcjsuen> yes
[18:07:26] <dinochopins> Ok.. will try it
[18:07:30] <dinochopins> rcjsuen: thanks
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[18:11:09] <moepman> hello?
[18:11:24] <rcjsuen> moepman: Hi
[18:11:32] <moepman> hmm, i get a syntax error on a blank line in the pdt, how do i get rid of it?
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[18:11:52] <moepman> ther IS no syntax error
[18:12:16] <rcjsuen> if you think the tool is wrong, file a bug
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[18:13:15] <lanshark> im using the cfeclipse plugin, i set the working directory to the cf8 root, but not files / directories show up in the navigator and when i open the contents do now show
[18:13:41] <lanshark> it tells me the file is readonly and it asks if i want to make it writeable and i say yes, anyone know what is going on?
[18:13:48] <bigup_hpc>  i have problem redirecting log to my main eclipse RCP application, i use apache common logging and i have a commons-logging.properties file with "org.apache.commons.logging.Log=com.sma.ui.log.PluginLogAppender" inside which transform logs into IStatus eclipse log but when i use it, log.getClass() give meorg.apache.commons.logging.impl.Jdk14Logger.  Anyone get apache common logging working with eclipse ?
[18:14:55] <bigup_hpc> my properties file is in the root of the plugin, so normally in the classpath, so normally is read by apache common logging
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[18:20:39] <tmccrary> I've created an eclipse feature that has a couple of plugins as dependencies. They're installed along with the feature, but I'm still getting:  NoClassDefFoundError
[18:20:52] <tmccrary> The required jars are there, but they don't seem to be loaded or something
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[18:21:14] <tmccrary> Does anyone know how to make sure eclipse loads all the dependencies before using a plugin?
[18:21:45] <tmccrary> The plugin in questions works fine when used in the debugger
[18:22:00] <rcjsuen> then it's a problem with the exported jar
[18:22:01] <tmccrary> but when installed into eclipse from an update site, it throws the NoClassDefFoundError
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[18:23:04] <tmccrary> the plugin dependency in question essentially contains a bunch of jars that the main plugin requires to run
[18:23:38] <tmccrary> Eclipse didn't create a plugin.xml for that plugin. But it doesn't extend any eclipse features, so I figured it doesn't need a plugin.xml
[18:24:03] <rcjsuen> what class can't it find
[18:24:19] <tmccrary> it's castor, the xml serialization library
[18:24:37] <tmccrary> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class org.exolab.castor.mapping.Mapping
[18:24:37] <tmccrary> 	at com.seventhsun.supercool.core.config.XmlMapper.<init>(Unknown Source)
[18:24:39] <rcjsuen> ~dev-faq
[18:24:41] <tmccrary> that's the full error
[18:24:49] <tmccrary> that is part of my app though, not eclipse
[18:25:18] <rcjsuen> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Plug-in_Development_FAQ
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[18:59:08] <nitind> tmccrary: Are all of the packages within it exported by the manifest in the plugin you're requiring?
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[19:00:51] <tmccrary> nitind: yeah, I believe they were. However, I solved it by moving all the libraries into the main plugin
[19:00:55] <tmccrary> thanks for the help though
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[19:45:08] <srounet> Hello
[19:45:39] <srounet> I'm trying to configure Eclipse with SDL without success.
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[19:46:03] <Zerone> ello :)
[19:46:10] <srounet> hello
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[19:46:34] <Zerone> ello srounet
[19:46:44] <srounet> Hello Zerone
[19:46:48] <srounet> java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no sdljava in java.library.path
[19:46:50] <srounet> :(
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[19:51:00] <srounet> Anyone can help ?
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[19:51:47] <rcjsuen> srounet: use -Djava.library.path=/wherever/libsdljava.so/is
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[19:52:08] <srounet> i am on winXP
[19:52:28] <rcjsuen> well, it's no different
[19:52:34] <rcjsuen> except libsdljava.so i guess might be sdljava.dll
[19:52:53] <srounet> ok
[19:52:56] <Zerone> ello rcjsuen :)
[19:53:07] <rcjsuen> Zerone: Hi
[19:54:02] <srounet> as i've never done that before, can you explain me how to configure the VM with eclipse ?
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[19:55:45] <rcjsuen> srounet: add a vm arg http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#How_do_I_add_arguments_to_the_Java_program_I_am_running.3F
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[19:57:44] <srounet> ok
[19:57:56] <srounet> i've add the path but i get the same error
[19:58:30] <rcjsuen> o rly
[19:58:35] <rcjsuen> Does it work on the command line?
[19:58:40] <rcjsuen> Can you take a screenshot?
[19:58:44] <rcjsuen> Where is this sdljava.dll
[19:58:45] <srounet> ho i got an other error
[19:58:55] <srounet> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: JEE\lib\sdl
[19:59:05] <rcjsuen> Don't call it "the same" then ;)
[19:59:13] <rcjsuen> Sounds like you are missing jars or something maybe
[19:59:18] <srounet> Yes i forgot to 'apply'
[19:59:28] <srounet> but now i get that new error
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[20:09:59] <rcjsuen> srounet: look at sdljava's homepage and check how to get that sdl class, whatever that is
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[20:15:36] <srounet> rcjsuen there is nothing on sdljava home page ( sourceforge )
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[20:27:22] <rcjsuen> srcerer: if you use ctrl+shift+t, can you find a class named 'sdl'?
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[20:58:36] <wyvern`> I just installed eclipse 3.3 on 64bit linux and sometimes the gui will just disappear and the process is only killable with kill -9. any idea what's up?
[20:59:18] <rcjsuen> wyvern`: Never heard of that.
[20:59:48] <wyvern`> :(
[21:00:01] <rcjsuen> ~tell wyvern` about info
[21:00:01] <KOS-MOS> wyvern`: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[21:00:03] <rcjsuen> ~tell wyvern` about logs
[21:00:03] <KOS-MOS> wyvern`: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[21:02:09] <wyvern`> intel 64bit, Linux, JRE 1.6.0_03, eclipse 3.3.1.1, downloaded from eclipse.org
[21:02:45] <rcjsuen> wyvern`: name of tarball?
[21:03:05] <wyvern`> eclipse-java-europa-fall2-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz
[21:03:25] <rcjsuen> could you check your logs?
[21:03:32] <wyvern`> I've got the logs; what would you like to see
[21:04:26] <rcjsuen> wyvern`: pastebin the whole thing
[21:04:34] <wyvern`> i have 156,000 lines of log...
[21:04:46] <wyvern`> ~pastebin
[21:04:46] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[21:04:52] <rcjsuen> wyvern`: then pastebin the last time you crashed?
[21:04:55] <rcjsuen> there are timestamps
[21:05:04] <rcjsuen> or maybe the last 1000 lines?
[21:05:18] <rcjsuen> use your judgment, if we want more we'll ask
[21:05:56] <wyvern`> ahh, think I've found something
[21:06:35] <wyvern`> http://rafb.net/p/ohsP2l42.html
[21:06:38] <wyvern`> see line 8
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[21:06:47] <wyvern`> taht's the last 15 mins of log.
[21:07:00] <wyvern`> (Since the crash and kill -9, I've restarted eclipse, so there's probably spurious stuff at the end)
[21:07:19] <rcjsuen> that's probably it i s'pose
[21:07:34] <wyvern`> Hm. Woops. Looks like everything from line 9 on down is from the new session
[21:08:01] <wyvern`> I upped my -Xmx to 512m in eclipse.ini; should I increase it further?
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[21:08:13] <wyvern`> like, is that what's causing java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space
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[21:08:32] <d_a_carver> ~permgen
[21:08:33] <KOS-MOS> Having permgen problems? Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I.27m_having_memory.2C_heap.2C_or_permgen_problems.2C_what_can_I_do.3F and http://eclipsenuggets.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-your-eclipse-3.html
[21:08:36] <sanguisdex> are there any eclise tools designed for working w/ the smary templateing system?
[21:09:52] <d_a_carver> wyvern: there's a seperate setting for sun's jvm for permgen...either add that setting or switch to a jvm that doesn't have the prolem like ibm, or jrockit.
[21:10:08] <wyvern`> So I see... thanks
[21:10:59] <SphtKr> Hi all...I'm developing a plugin with a view. Is there a way for me to put additional properties in the plugin.xml <view> tag, and read them from within my plugin code? (why is a long story, perhaps...)
[21:11:25] <SphtKr> This has been hard to google for, so any direction as to what to look for would be helpful
[21:11:28] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: Sounds like a hack, why do you want to put it there.
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[21:12:28] <SphtKr> basically, I'm making an application that is a HUD...I want to use the existing eclipse views UI to let the user pick many different things (e.g. images) to display...
[21:12:41] <SphtKr> the only difference between some of the views is the image URL...
[21:12:48] <wyvern`> Help -> About Eclipse Platform says I have 3.3.1.1, but I don't see 3.3.2 in the update manager
[21:13:07] <wyvern`> Hmm, and yet I see an Eclipse Platform 3.3.2 feature
[21:13:16] <SphtKr> figured I could save work and probably memory by pointing multiple views with different IDs to the same class, and adding, say, the URL in the plugin.xml and read it from there.
[21:13:35] <njbartlett_> xavier_: You here?
[21:13:54] <xavier_> yes :o)
[21:14:03] <xavier_> should i repeat the question?
[21:14:10] <njbartlett_> No it's okay
[21:14:26] <njbartlett_> It looks like you only have the system bundle running, and no other bundles.
[21:14:46] <xavier_> yes. what may be the reason?
[21:15:01] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: You'd have to hack the registry maybe
[21:15:03] <d_a_carver> sphtKr: why not just use a properties file to store the urls, and then have your main PluginUI class have properties to read the properties.
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[21:15:44] <njbartlett_> xavier_: I'm just reading through that link
[21:15:47] <SphtKr> d_a_carver: sounds like a good idea, but I don't totally understand.
[21:16:21] <SphtKr> the idea would be I'd have, say 8 views, each of which was "hard-coded" (from the user's perspective, anyway) to a single URL.
[21:16:56] <d_a_carver> SphtKr: you basically have a common Helper class, that is available to all the views that need it, and you hae the helper return you the correct url based on id.
[21:16:57] <xavier_> njbartlett_: Yesterday I had the same problem. played around with the config.ini, added something like "deployme_1.0.0.jar" to osgi.bundles, and then it worked. don't know why and can't reproduce it now.
[21:17:00] <wyvern`> It looks like I can only fix the permgen parameter if I'm running on Windows...?
[21:17:04] <njbartlett_> xavier_: What does your directory layout look like? E.g where did you put config.ini?
[21:17:22] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: you mean have the view part call setImage directly during part construction?
[21:17:39] <SphtKr> d_a_carver: aha...that helps...how do I read the plugin's ID from within the java code?
[21:17:41] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: yeah, if that is how it is done.
[21:18:13] <d_a_carver> SphtKr: you could set a static variable that contains the id for that view.
[21:18:51] <xavier_> njbartlett_: config.ini is in deployme/configurations ... wait a second... I print the tree
[21:18:58] <SphtKr> d_a_carver: yeah...but that would mean I'd still have to write a separate Java object for each view...that was kinda what I was wondering if I could avoid.
[21:19:21] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Please pastebin the tree layout
[21:19:21] <njbartlett_> ~pastebin
[21:19:21] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[21:19:31] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen would might know a way around that.
[21:19:35] <SphtKr> If I wanted to do that, I'd just extend the base view each time and put the URL in the constructor or something--which is simple enough, I suppose...
[21:19:49] <SphtKr> But it seems like there should be a way to do it with just one class...
[21:20:09] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Actually, did you say "deployme/configurations"? Including the "s" at the end? Try just "configuration"
[21:20:10] <SphtKr> Or am I missing somethign?
[21:20:38] <rcjsuen> separate Java object for each view?
[21:21:21] <xavier_> njbartlett_: no, I had it correct, without the "s"
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[21:21:42] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: yes...like org.example.myapp.view1 , org.example.myapp.view2, etc...
[21:21:45] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Okay. Then I need to see the tree
[21:22:19] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: How do you know which inmage to use
[21:23:21] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: that's what I'm trying to figure out :-) . From the user's perspective, I want him to say Window > Show View > Category > View X , or View Y and that's the view he gets.
[21:23:38] <rcjsuen> but X and Y have different images right?
[21:23:42] <SphtKr> yes.
[21:23:57] <rcjsuen> so why don't you just create multiple <views>
[21:24:26] <d_a_carver> growl...I need the ability to turn on strict of lax xml validation file by file. grumble
[21:24:27] <xavier_> njbartlett_: sorry had to install and learn the tree command. result here: http://pastebin.ca/858950
[21:24:53] <SphtKr> What I want to perhaps do is, have in plugin.xml this: <view id="org.example.myapp.viewX" class="org.example.myapp.viewGeneral"/> and have the viewGeneral class introspect it's own ID, and use that to determine what image to display. Is this possible?
[21:24:56] <njbartlett_> xavier_: No worries. "ls -R" would also have worked :-)
[21:26:06] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: Yes, that is what I want...multiple <views>, but only one ViewPart class.
[21:26:16] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: so just set class to the one class.........?
[21:26:23] <SphtKr> yes...
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[21:26:54] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: but how does the instantiated class determine its own ID from plugin.xml?
[21:26:55] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: what's wrong with using multiple views?
[21:27:00] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Hmm and the config.ini is exactly as it appears in the article you linked to?
[21:27:11] <rcjsuen> and if you want to check ids, there is a way but i can't think of it of hand
[21:27:14] <rcjsuen> maybe getSite() something
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[21:27:49] <er4z0r> any OSGi peopleonline?
[21:28:07] <rcjsuen> er4z0r: just ask the real question
[21:28:13] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Yup
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[21:28:40] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: not much...except I have to have additional java classes: public class viewX extends ViewPart ... public class ViewY extends ViewPart ...which (I think) will save memory (and definitely at least a little code) by just having one class.
[21:29:02] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: no, you don't
[21:29:06] <rcjsuen> > <rcjsuen> SphtKr: so just set class to the one class.........?
[21:29:10] <rcjsuen> you can set them all to the same class
[21:29:23] <rcjsuen> Unless I've been living a lie this whole time
[21:29:51] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: Yes, exactly...but how does the instantiated class know which ID it was called with? Is getSite() a method of ViewPart?
[21:30:12] <xavier_> njbartlett_: yes: http://pastebin.ca/858956
[21:30:15] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: I don't understand the problem, if you have multiple <view> they all point at diff images, then they'll use the right image
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[21:30:53] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: Yes, it's a method of ViewPart.
[21:31:51] <njbartlett_> xavier_: In the OSGi console, could you type "setprop" and pastebin the result
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[21:32:25] <xavier_> njbartlett_: Are there any commands for additional checks, or a logfile where I can see what goes wrong? I think a directory ./workspace should be generated after the launch, but I don't get it.
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[21:33:12] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: Ok...so if I have <view class="org.example.myapp.viewGeneral" id="org.example.myapp.viewX">, then within my view class, this.getSite() will return "org.example.myapp.viewX"?
[21:33:17] <SphtKr> that would work...
[21:33:28] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: Why don't in your <view> you just set a different image?
[21:33:29] <clincks> HI, I'm using eclipse + maven plugin. Try to add some dependency to a project with the UI. I get an error... http://apache.pastebin.ca/858947 Can somebody help me ? Thanks a lot
[21:33:41] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Yeah I can see from the "tree" output that there's no log. I think because strictly speaking there's no error, ie no bundles failed to start. They're just in the wrong place. If you give me the output of "setprop" then that will help.
[21:33:43] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: oh I hear OSGi...
[21:33:45] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: or are you actually using http urls
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[21:34:03] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: ... where?
[21:34:25] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Yup there's OSGi going on in here :-)
[21:34:25] <xavier_> njbartlett_: setprop is here http://pastebin.ca/858961
[21:34:31] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: <view            name="Object Browser"            icon="icons/sample.gif"            category="org.emonic.ui"            class="org.emonic.base.views.ObjectBrowserView"            id="org.emonic.base.views.objectBrowser"/>
[21:34:39] <rcjsuen> just make that a thousand times with icon pointing at something else?
[21:34:45] <rcjsuen> wouldn't that solve your problem?
[21:35:17] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Okay I'll get back to you in a minute
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[21:35:46] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: Do you have experience with declarative services / components?
[21:35:55] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: A little
[21:36:04] <clincks> nobody can help me ???
[21:36:28] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: Partly...I figure I can do that...but how does the class org.emonic.base.views.ObjectBrowserView determine if it is supposed to behave like view id="org.emonic.base.views.objectBrowser" or "org.emonic.base.views.objectBrowserWithPinkBackground", or something?
[21:37:00] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: find out what its id is i guess you could do it that way
[21:37:18] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: yes: how? is that what getSite() does?
[21:37:37] <xavier_> njbartlett_: one more comment in case it matters: I am using eclipse-SDK-3.4M4 (maybe the tutorial was for 3.2 or 3.3?) I'll wait four your reply.
[21:37:43] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: If I knew how I would've said it, look at what getSite() returns and go from there.
[21:38:17] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Thanks, but I don't think that's the problem. Sorry I need to compare this output with the output from a working example
[21:38:39] <rcjsuen> SphtKr: getSite().getId(), there, that wasn't so hard was it ~.~
[21:38:40] <SphtKr> yes...I was checking...
[21:38:48] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: ok mine just got solved. pebkac ;-)
[21:38:53] <SphtKr> the documentation is not incredibly specific. Lemme test right quick.
[21:39:02] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: Cool, glad to be of assistance ;-)
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[21:39:14] <er4z0r> xavier_: what are you doing?
[21:39:15] <monalisa_smile> hi
[21:39:18] <monalisa_smile> guys
[21:39:33] <monalisa_smile> how ca I use eclipse under linux
[21:39:39] <monalisa_smile> can*
[21:39:54] <rcjsuen> ~tell monalisa_smile about linux-install
[21:39:54] <KOS-MOS> monalisa_smile: Trying to install Eclipse on Linux? http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_do_I_install_Eclipse_on_Linux.3F
[21:41:10] <xavier_> er4z0r: built a trivial RAP application ("RAP Hello World" Template) and now trying to deploy it as described in http://rapblog.innoopract.com/2007/11/rap-deployment-part-1-deploying-your.html
[21:41:54] <er4z0r> ah sorry, thats beyond my tiny osgi experience ;-)
[21:42:38] <xavier_> what is more tiny than the simplest RAP application? ;o)
[21:42:39] <SphtKr> rcjsuen: Aha...yes, it looks like getSite will work...returns something like the following:
[21:42:39] <SphtKr> PartSite(id=org.example.myapp.ui.views.ImageURL,pluginId=org.example.myapp.ui,registeredName=Image URL,hashCode=5574798)
[21:43:01] <SphtKr> more than I need, but I can get it out of there...
[21:43:09] <SphtKr> thanks.
[21:43:55] <er4z0r> xavier_: not even knowing any RAP ;-)
[21:44:28] <er4z0r> but sounds very interesting
[21:44:44] <xavier_> er4z0r: seriously, what are other fields for osgi except for web applications? I have almost no understanding of osgi
[21:44:56] <er4z0r> xavier_: many!
[21:45:01] <xavier_> examples?
[21:45:09] <er4z0r> xavier_: OSGi surely wasnt built for webapps
[21:45:14] <er4z0r> you have expert groups
[21:45:19] <er4z0r> for mobile devices
[21:45:20] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Could you just try something stupid for me. Could you put the line "eof=eof" at the end of config.ini
[21:45:22] <er4z0r> automibles
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[21:45:35] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: OSGi was built for every kind of Java application, including webapps
[21:45:56] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: yeah, that would be more accurrate
[21:46:15] <xavier_> er4z0r: I'll try to understand the basics. Getting back to njbartlett_ now...
[21:46:28] <njbartlett_> xavier_: OSGi is the module system for Java. When do you need modules? Pretty much always. Just not everybody realises it yet.
[21:46:30] <er4z0r> its a component technology. use cases are almost indefinite ;-)
[21:47:34] <SphtKr> oh...duh...that's an object! this.getSite().getId() returns exactly what I want. Thanks!
[21:47:52] <xavier_> njbartlett_: did the eof thing. No change in output (and "ss" output,too)
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[21:48:05] <er4z0r> we re currently building some kind of basic client and basic server environments for our university. So you can easily develop apps that for example provide authentication against the university's LDAP directory
[21:48:24] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Damn. I can't see any actual problems in these files.
[21:48:40] <xavier_> great :o))
[21:49:16] <njbartlett_> xavier_: I'll keep looking, bear with me. Sometimes it just comes to me suddenly :-)
[21:50:12] <xavier_> maybe I should try the RAP demo, I think there is a deployment example. But thanks a lot so far!
[21:50:22] <er4z0r> ah didn't know setprop yet
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[21:52:45] <xavier_> njbartlett_: another question that may be related: I switch between RAP and RCP applications frequently (because RCP is less problematic, my impression). Is there an easy way to switch the target platform? When I reload them with Windows->Preferences my feeling is somethings gets messed up.
[21:53:20] <er4z0r> I have a serivce implementation with two hashmaps. one containing active connection stubs and the other one containing sessions. As it is an OSGi-Service I need to make the whole thing thread-safe. What would be the best way to do it?
[21:53:59] <er4z0r> are HashMaps synchronized?
[21:54:16] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Ah that's a PDE tooling question. I'm not so hot on that. Usually when I need different target platforms I just have completely separate Eclipse workspaces. I believe there's some other mechanism using .target files but I haven't tried it
[21:54:35] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: No they are not. You should use ConcurrentHashMap from java.util.concurrent, assuming you're on Java 5 or above
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[21:55:00] <xavier_> njbartlett_: sometimes the only remedy is to go the the Welcome screen and do the "RAP - Install Target Platform" again.
[21:55:10] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: You should also run (do not walk) to your nearest bookstore and buy "Java Concurrency in Practice" by Brian Goetz.
[21:55:36] <njbartlett_> xavier_: I think you'd have an easier time just having separate workspaces for RCP and RAP development
[21:55:59] <xavier_> don't you think a messed target may have caused my problems? but on the other hand, if the plugins are available in the deployed directory, everything should be fine
[21:57:06] <xavier_> yes, maybe I should have different workspaces. do you restart eclipse everytime you switch? or have 2 eclipse processes running in parallel?
[21:57:07] <njbartlett_> xavier_: No, that's not the problem. Target Platform is a tooling concept, what you have here is a runtime problem
[21:57:30] <njbartlett_> xavier_: I sometimes run 2 eclipse instances, yeah.
[21:57:40] <er4z0r> njbartlett_: thanks for the book hint. sounds useful
[21:58:51] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Okay here's an idea to try
[21:59:15] <njbartlett_> Where osgi.bundles has org.eclipse.equinox.common, turn it into a URL
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[21:59:35] <njbartlett_> Ie "file:org.eclipse.equinox.common_version.jar@2:start"
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[21:59:42] <xavier_> njbartlett_: yesterday I also tried some install or start commands in the osgi console, somehow I got the deployme.jar listed after an "ss"
[22:00:34] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Yes, you can always install stuff that way. OSGi is a dynamic module system... bundles can be installed after startup. What we're looking at here is the startup configuration which should define the _initial_ set of bundles to install
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[22:02:10] <xavier_> njbartlett_: yes, would it be worthwile trying to install each of the modules manually, if it doesn't work with the .ini? Wait, I add the file: ...
[22:02:38] <njbartlett_> xavier_: No, you're really going to need this to work as a startup thing.
[22:02:51] <xavier_> sorry for my non-existing knowledge of osgi
[22:03:01] <njbartlett_> xavier_: That's okay, you have to start somewhere
[22:03:15] <xavier_> but I need to have something running to learn. yes, you said it.
[22:03:19] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Also in my opinion, Equinox is too hard to configure
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[22:05:35] <xavier_> added the file: -> no change in output. the changed config.ini is here http://pastebin.ca/858986.
[22:05:49] <xavier_> maybe you can check the osgi.bundles part carefully?
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[22:06:41] <njbartlett_> xavier_: You would need to use the full filename, including the version string and .jar. But has a log file been generated in the configuration directory this time? <some long number>.log?
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[22:07:13] <Sal> hello
[22:07:24] <xavier_> njbartlett_: I am wondering, how I got the thing running yesterday by adding (for no reason) the deplyme@start (or something similar) to the end of osgi.bundles. Did that make any sense?
[22:07:24] <Sal> any one here uses zend pdt ?
[22:08:13] <xavier_> njbartlett_: no log file.
[22:08:24] <njbartlett_> Sal: just as the real question
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[22:08:29] <njbartlett_> ask, even
[22:08:37] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Darn
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[22:09:10] <xavier_> njbartlett_: a configuration/org.eclipse.osgi/ directory has been generated (at the very first start, I think). Is that of any use?
[22:09:12] <Sal> Hi'm getting crazy trying to debug a web application
[22:09:19] <Sal> .H
[22:09:41] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Look, belt and braces time: use the full absolute file path, ie "/home/xavier/deployme/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.common_3.3.0.v20070426.jar". If that works, then we can start working out what we can leave out.
[22:09:58] <benny`work> Sal, did you had a look at the pdt newsgroup? there are many threads about debugging
[22:10:00] <xavier_> Sal: lucky you. I'd be happy to debug a web application. Just trying to launch it :o(
[22:10:11] <Sal> i can debug a single script file, but when i need to debug an app that is in the apache htdocs root dir and use some mysql, then the thing gets harded
[22:10:14] <Sal> harder
[22:10:38] <Sal> benny`work, didn't even find any news group
[22:10:41] <xavier_> njbartlett_: with or w/o "file:"?
[22:10:43] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Is there anything in that configuration/org.eclipse.osgi directory? That's where Equinox stores its temporary internal files and stuff
[22:10:47] <Sal> zend has only 1 page for the entire project
[22:10:47] <njbartlett_> xavier_: With
[22:10:54] <benny`work> ~pdt
[22:11:12] <benny`work> hmpf
[22:11:14] <xavier_> xavier@linux-laptop:~/deployme$ ls configuration/org.eclipse.osgi/ -a
[22:11:17] <xavier_> .  ..  .manager
[22:11:17] <njbartlett_> ~wake up!
[22:11:22] <benny`work> rcjsuen, deeehhhh
[22:11:27] <rcjsuen> benny`work: ?
[22:11:33] <benny`work> rcjsuen, btw: hi! and a happy new year :)
[22:11:41] <Sal> ?
[22:11:46] <rcjsuen> benny`work: happy new year to you too benny
[22:11:47] <xavier_> njbartlett_: yes ther is .manager
[22:12:17] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Okay. Probably not worth looking too closely in there. Have you tried it with the full absolute path including file: prefix?
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[22:12:41] <benny`work> rcjsuen, i heard about a "possible young platform committer". seems you got it eh ;)
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[22:13:47] <rcjsuen> benny`work: No, I'm not a committer actually
[22:13:56] <benny`work> rcjsuen, not yet :)
[22:13:57] <nitind> rcjsuen: Not even on ECF?
[22:14:03] <rcjsuen> nitind: sorry, I mean, not on Platform
[22:14:09] <benny`work> nitind, hi
[22:14:15] <nitind> Ah.  Upper case, always messing with me.
[22:14:20] <nitind> benny`work: hello
[22:14:32] <rcjsuen> "It?s a perfect bug for some young would-be committer to step up to." She says "would be" anyway.
[22:15:07] <benny`work> rcjsuen, i'm watching bugzilla for platform and ide...and i see your name many times a day ;)
[22:15:25] <xavier_> njbartlett_: great!!! with osgi.bundles=/home/xavier/deployme/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.common_3.3.0.v20070426.jar,... I have a lot of modules listed by "ss"
[22:15:40] <rcjsuen> benny`work: I'm not watching those because it's too many emails, I jsut run daily queries lol ;p
[22:16:13] <ijuma> rcjsuen: rss feeds ;)
[22:16:25] <benny`work> rcjsuen, atm i've nothing to do when i'm at university..so it's a good chance to be up-to-date without really having time to do something
[22:16:40] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Great! It's not ideal, what you originally had *should* have worked. But maybe now you can work through the rest of the tutorial?
[22:17:19] <xavier_> njbartlett_: but I think I should have some stdout saying that the server was started. there is none. let's see if I can connect...
[22:18:08] <rcjsuen> benny`work: hehe
[22:18:19] <njbartlett_> xavier_: You probably have to start the jetty bundle
[22:18:48] <xavier_> njbartlett_: no connection. yes, maybe I can do some debugging now. ok, I'll try to start jetty
[22:19:30] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Hmm could you pastebin the current config.ini and the output of ss?
[22:19:43] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Because Jetty should be automatically started
[22:20:06] <benny`work> what are you guys trying to do?
[22:20:33] <rcjsuen> benny`work: xavier_ is doing some RAP thing actually
[22:20:34] <njbartlett_> benny`work: xavier_ is working through a RAP tutorial at http://rapblog.innoopract.com/2007/11/rap-deployment-part-1-deploying-your.html
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[22:20:48] <rcjsuen> benny`work: http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/eclipse/ scroll up
[22:20:51] <njbartlett_> benny`work: However the problem isn't really with RAP, it's an Equinox configuration issue
[22:21:14] <benny`work> jetty isn't starting?
[22:21:51] <xavier_> osgi> start org.mortbay.jetty? no new stdout, but the state of org.mortbay.jetty changed from RESOLVED to ACTIVE.
[22:21:58] <njbartlett_> benny`work: Well we've only just managed to get any bundles installed! Waiting to see xavier's latest pastebin to see what's actually started
[22:22:07] <xavier_> njbartlett_: wait ... the config.ini and ss ....
[22:22:38] <benny`work> xavier_, do you have the equonix jetty adapter in your bundle list ? (org.eclipse.equinox.http.*.jetty)
[22:24:25] <njbartlett_> Ah of course. The org.mortbay.jetty bundle just exports Jetty as a library. Need the org.eclipse.equinox.http.jetty to actually register the HTTP service
[22:24:43] <xavier_> njbartlett_: here it is http://pastebin.ca/859016, the ss is from a clean restart
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[22:25:33] <njbartlett_> xavier_: Okay your osgi.bundles line isn't quite right, but lets fix that in a minute
[22:25:57] <xavier_> just read about the http.jetty
[22:26:41] <njbartlett_> xavier_: If you do "start 24" what happens?
[22:27:12] <xavier_> damn, how did I lose that part of the line?
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[22:29:00] <xavier_> what happens after "start 24"? exactly what I was trying from the beginning :o)) seems to work now.
[22:29:14] <xavier_> you guys are great!
[22:29:28] <xavier_> sorry for my stupid mistake
[22:29:36] <benny`work> what was the problem now?
[22:29:52] <er4z0r> I need to pass my osgi framework parameters about where my keystore and truststore for the application lie. How would I do that in a real app? The problem is, that I have so far only succeeded, when passing the absolute path to the files. But I am not sure how to do this on any other machine
[22:30:59] <benny`work> xavier_, btw: in #eclipse-de are discussions about rap from time to time
[22:31:02] <njbartlett_> xavier_: We still need to fix your osgi.bundles line
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[22:31:45] <xavier_> benny`work: are you asking about my problem? I was not able to copy&paste the osgi-bundles line.
[22:31:57] <benny`work> xavier_, ah ok ;)
[22:32:25] <njbartlett_> xavier_: You need to restore the osgi.bundles to the way it was in the article, however for all four of the bundles listed you need to change to the full path. It looks like you only changed the first one. That's why the HTTP service didn't start automatically.
[22:33:00] <benny`work> xavier_, just being a rap committer and wanted to know what the problems of our users are to provide better help
[22:33:05] <xavier_> njbartlett_: no, it's fixed. I have copied the correct line from the tutorial and everything starts as it should do. strange thing is that I was trying this 5-6 times, starting from an empty workspace over and over.
[22:33:10] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: OSGi defines a couple of standard locations. You would probably want to use the "Configuration" location
[22:33:37] <Zerone> what kind of standard locations njbartlett_?
[22:33:54] <Zerone> you mean probably equinox
[22:34:51] <xavier_> njbartlett_: the main problem was, that I lost the last part of the line (the ...http.jetty module). Maybe the reason is that the line left the browser window and was not broken into the next line, so that I couldn't see the end.
[22:35:05] <njbartlett_> Zerone: Ah yes, true. Not all of the properties prefixed with "osgi" are actually standard osgi. Nice :-(
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[22:36:52] <xavier_> thanks to all of you. Now I can try to understand, what I have been doing here.
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[22:39:36] <njbartlett_> er4z0r: You have a couple of options, it depend how these files are distributed. Are they part of the application that you distribute to the users, or do they live on the user's filesystem separately from the application?
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[22:40:14] <benny`work> xavier_, btw: new rap newsgroup is very active if you have more questions and nobody is here
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[22:42:02] <xavier_> benny`work: yes, but I was happy to get some immediate reply. This support would have taken months in a newsgroup.
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[22:43:16] <boorad> hi, anyone use Eclipse and WTP and Subclipse and still getting .svn folders/files deployed to the webapp?
[22:43:25] <benny`work> xavier_, not really. normally you get fast answers in the rap newsgroup
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[22:43:56] <MrWGW-> hi there
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[22:44:07] <MrWGW-> I'm curious, is there a version of eclipse that is relatively modern, that runs on Windows 98?
[22:44:24] <MrWGW-> for purposes of nostalgia/geekiness, I've created a Win98 VM
[22:44:56] <MrWGW-> and I'm seeing how modern I can get it in terms of its software, so its running Opera 9.something, Firefox 2.0.11, Pidgin, Thunderbird, and other good useful modern programs, and it occured to me that one piece missing from that puzzle, that would be nice, would be an IDE
[22:45:01] <tmccrary> can anyone recommend a decent image viewer plugin for eclipse
[22:45:03] <tmccrary> ?
[22:45:06] <MrWGW-> it would also probably be useful for debugging Win9x specific versions of programs I right
[22:45:17] <MrWGW-> so I'm wondering if Eclipse would be goodf or that, or if I should go a different route?
[22:45:38] <benny`work> MrWGW-, without knowing anything about it - did you tried it?
[22:46:32] <MrWGW-> well there was a warning on the Eclipse site that 98 wasn't supported for the version I was about to download
[22:46:53] <MrWGW-> on another note, I'm also trying to get Eclipse working on OS/2, but I'm not worried about that project today, right now I'm primarily trying to just see if I can get it on 98 :-P
[22:47:19] <benny`work> not supported doesn't mean that it would not work
[22:47:43] <MrWGW-> well, what do you suggest I do?
[22:48:02] <benny`work> grab 3.3 and hope for the best
[22:48:13] <MrWGW-> also, does the Eclipse installer install Java automagically, or do I need to do that first?
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[22:48:49] <benny`work> eclipse does not have any installer. just unpack the zip file. you need to install the jre on your own
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[22:49:39] <MrWGW-> dang, looks like I need to migrate the install to a larger .vmdk first
[22:49:44] <MrWGW-> I foolishly allocated a mere 1gb
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[22:50:10] <benny`work> that's less than i have ram in my machine ;)
[22:50:14] <mwolf9> I have an RCP application that contains a window that displays a varying amount of small composites which in turn have about 10 or so other SWT objects in them(ie. labels, composites, and canvases). I have recently found out that if the number of composites in this window is below about 100 the application works fine but if it exceeds 100 I get the SWT no more handles error. At first I thought this was a problem dealing with the number of images I was cre
[22:50:30] <mwolf9> application and even with 500 of these composites that only brings the user object(handle) total to 5000. Also from looking at number of handles in the task manager before and after I open the program i am no where close to using 10000 handles. Does anyone have any insight into this problem or can anyone point me to an application that can monitor handles for a specific application?
[22:50:34] <dominikg> hmm, is there swt for win98 and does it ship with 3.3?
[22:50:37] <MrWGW-> same here, I'm on a 2 GB Pentium D box
[22:50:47] <MrWGW-> which appears, interestingly enough, to be upgradeable to a Core 2 Duo
[22:50:59] <MrWGW-> so replacing the CPU, GPU and doubling the RAM is in its future...
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[23:09:50] <pombreda> dominikg: no
[23:10:22] <dominikg> MrWGW-, there's your answer ;)
[23:10:27] <pombreda> dominikg: w2k yes, but not win98, though it may work
[23:10:56] <dominikg> hmm, doubt it... 98 is not the nt core.. is it even a 32 bit os?
[23:11:05] <pombreda> and I am sure it can be back ported with some infinite resource and time
[23:11:45] <pombreda> :-P
[23:11:53] * pombreda is silly again
[23:14:17] <MrWGW-> alas
[23:14:21] <MrWGW-> although perhaps EOS would work?
[23:14:34] <MrWGW-> Windows 98 is a hybrid 16/32 bit system
[23:14:55] <MrWGW-> the DOS component of it is 16 bits, but the Windows 98 OS itself is 32 bits, with backwards compatibility for 16 bit Win 3.x and DOS applications
[23:16:41] <pombreda> MrWGW-: EOS works decently for sure
[23:16:59] <pombreda> do you have a java 1.4 running on 98?
[23:17:03] <MrWGW-> well, I'll probably go with it, I'll be back a bit later...
[23:17:11] <MrWGW-> I don't believe I've installed Java yet
[23:17:18] <MrWGW-> before I can install it, I need to migrate the OS to a larger .vmdk
[23:17:26] <pombreda> MrWGW-: that is an imnplementation detail anyway
[23:17:29] <MrWGW-> to do that, I need to create a newer, larger .vmdk virtual disk, then use Linux to copy the FAT filesystem
[23:17:38] <MrWGW-> since I'm basically out of room :-P
[23:18:25] <pombreda> MrWGW-: wy are you trying to resuurect those old, weird, buggy Oses?
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[23:18:59] <MrWGW-> because they're fun
[23:19:05] <pombreda> :-)
[23:19:12] <MrWGW-> Windows 98 was awesome for gaming, and IMO is a lighter, leaner, faster system than Windows XP and Vista
[23:19:22] <MrWGW-> I had 90% more fun on Windows 9x than I've had with NT
[23:19:25] <pombreda> MrWGW-: hehe
[23:19:27] <tmccrary> eh
[23:19:35] <tmccrary> You so crazy
[23:19:36] <MrWGW-> my current preferred OS is Linux, and I use actually about 20 different OSes
[23:19:49] <pombreda> lol
[23:19:57] <pombreda> bbl
[23:20:03] <pombreda> and have fun
[23:20:08] <tmccrary> Well, it doesn't take long for Linux to distance itself from the rest
[23:20:18] <MrWGW-> my favorite OSes overall are Plan 9 and Inferno, but they're not usable for "real work", of the OSes I have that actually *work* for me, in production, FreeBSD is my favorite...I'd use it everywhere except hardware support sucks and its a pain to configure
[23:20:31] <tmccrary> lol
[23:20:45] <MrWGW-> thus, I use Linux, as it provides a solid UNIX environment, and SuSE and Fedora are easy enough to install, and have awesome theming :-P
[23:20:58] <MrWGW-> my least favorite OS is probably Mac OS X Tiger
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[23:21:10] <MrWGW-> though Leopard was a suprisingly good improvement
[23:21:10] <tmccrary> Debian/Ubuntu are my preference. Followed by Mac OS X
[23:21:27] <MrWGW-> I actually don't like Debian that much, and I find Ubuntu holds my hand waay too much
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[23:21:49] <MrWGW-> my gripe with Debian is that it won't let you install IA-32 .debs out of the box on AM-64 installs
[23:21:52] <tmccrary> MrWGW-: yeah, that's why I like Ubuntu. It "just works"
[23:21:54] <MrWGW-> which is bizarre, and pathetic, IMO
[23:22:13] <MrWGW-> SuSE also "just works" but gives me more configuration options
[23:22:29] <MrWGW-> although I will concede that no Linux "just works" to the extent of Ubuntu
[23:22:37] <MrWGW-> I use it as a LiveCD primarily
[23:22:44] <MrWGW-> I've had bare metal installs of it also
[23:23:10] <MrWGW-> I'd probably have a bare metal install of 7.10, except the default artwork was so awful, I rather liked the theming in earlier Ubuntu versions
[23:23:15] <MrWGW-> but IMO, 7.10 looked rather bad
[23:23:54] <MrWGW-> which is ironic; since the new Compiz feature was brilliantly done...an extremely simple, logical, straightforward, user friendly approach for workspaces...it was really good
[23:24:33] <MrWGW-> not as colorful as say, Beryl, with blur effects enabled, but also less likely to frustrate new users than any other workspace system I've seen, including OS X Leopard's rather dreadful "spaces" implementation
[23:25:32] <MrWGW-> anyway, that's my take on the world of OSes
[23:25:33] <MrWGW-> bbl
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[23:27:49] <Zerone> n8 *
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[23:50:00] <schnoowork> anyone know if there is an eclipse plugin to have textmate style bundles
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[23:58:08] <zeke> Ok, ubuntu. Error opening editor... org.eclipse.core.runtime.Plugin.
[23:58:08] <zeke> [17:56] <zeke> Project not built because it depends on org.eclipse.swt which has path errors.
[23:58:12] <rcjsuen> ~tell zeke about logs
[23:58:13] <KOS-MOS> zeke: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F

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