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[00:32:47] <Appleman1234> Hi
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[00:51:08] <raboof> I think distributed version control systems are a Really Good Idea.
[00:51:41] <raboof> for a DVCS to be usable for me, it should work for both linux and windows, and have really good eclipse integration
[00:51:47] <raboof> any experiences?
[00:53:42] <raboof> so far bzr seems like a candidate, monotone, mercurial and darcs don't seem to have finished eclipse integration, and git doesn't seem comfortably cross-platform
[00:53:47] <raboof> but that's just first impressions
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[01:09:07] <njbartlett_> raboof: I quite like Mercurial, but you're right, the Eclipse plug-in is weak. There some work being on a git plugin for Eclipse. That will also include a pure Java implementation of Git, which should solve the cross-platform issues
[01:12:33] <ijuma> raboof: the bzr plug-in for eclipse is good?
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[01:17:51] <raboof> ijuma: reportedly, I haven't tried it yet...
[01:18:45] <ijuma> raboof: I see
[01:18:59] <ijuma> in terms of adoption, hg and git seem to getting a lot of traction
[01:19:22] <ijuma> outside of eclipse integration that is ;)
[01:19:36] <raboof> hm, i heard much more about bzr compared to hg
[01:22:25] <ijuma> raboof: sun (opensolaris, netbeans, openjdk), xen, mozilla
[01:23:07] <ijuma> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/ProjectsUsingMercurial is a long list
[01:24:05] <ijuma> also interesting that some kernel related projects use hg instead of git
[01:24:12] <ijuma> alsa for example
[01:24:23] <njbartlett_> Mercurial has great documentation too
[01:24:28] <ijuma> (but they probably use git too)
[01:24:44] <ijuma> njbartlett_: I heard that too, but haven't checked myself
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[01:27:42] <njbartlett_> I've heard Sun has put a lot of effort into Mercurial integration in NetBeans, which makes sense considering they're moving to it for most of their open source stuff, eg OpenJDK, OpenSolaris, NetBeans itself, etc.
[01:28:40] <raboof> from the mercurial eclipse plugin site: 'I have setup a development wiki and bug tracking system based on Trac and its TracMercurial plugin. It requires that my home computer is powered up so don't expect this link to work all the time.'
[01:28:45] <raboof> ;)
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[01:40:30] <ijuma> njbartlett_: indeed. They had 2 full-time developers at some point working on it. Not sure what the status is. However moving netbeans to it will have a positive effect on the plug-in I am sure. No better way to get things working well than having to use it everyday for development ;)
[01:41:23] <ijuma> but this benefits eclipse too because it means that whatever lessons they learn on how to best tackle IDE integration are passed on
[01:41:42] <ijuma> and improvements in the original client too of course
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[01:47:19] <peace-keeper> can someone tell me in 3 words what mylyn is ?
[01:52:50] <njbartlett_> Shit, I saw a flight yesterday for my trip to EclipseCon for 246 pounds, but I didn't book it. Today the best price I can find is 367 pounds :-(
[01:53:16] <ijuma> njbartlett_: same dates?
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[01:53:21] <njbartlett_> Yup
[01:53:52] <ijuma> njbartlett_: and you have no flexibility? I've seen huge price differences with one day difference at times
[01:54:00] <ijuma> but then again you could just try again later
[01:54:06] <ijuma> maybe similar deals open up again
[01:54:19] <njbartlett_> The 367 is even allowing for a couple of days flexibility
[01:54:39] <njbartlett_> Yeah I'm going to sit tight, see if another good deal pops up
[01:55:20] <njbartlett_> The price goes up to 1300 pounds (about 2600 dollars) if I don't stay a saturday night. Sheesh :-)
[01:59:09] <ijuma> njbartlett_: ouch!
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[02:02:53] <MikeMc> I am wondering if I am the only one that from time to time gets into a situation where I am unable to access the J2EE Dependencies Tab?
[02:05:07] <ijuma> MikeMc: what is the problem?
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[02:06:17] <MikeMc> I would like to set module dependencies in a war project - but get error when selecting the j2ee module dependencies tab on project properties
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[02:07:02] <ijuma> MikeMc: yes, i was asking what the error was
[02:07:07] <ijuma> I've some some errors myself at times
[02:07:29] <ijuma> one of them was caused by some dependent module with invalid config files
[02:08:47] <MikeMc> When selecting "J2EE Module Depencies" a Dialog appears titled "Could Not Accept Changes" with content "The currently displayed page contains invalid values."
[02:10:04] <ijuma> right, that's the same i have seen
[02:10:22] <MikeMc> how did you resolve it?
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[02:18:34] <MikeMc> can you at least tell me what kind of problems you had in which config files?
[02:20:27] <rcjsuen> peace-keeper: doubt three words is going to do
[02:20:39] <rcjsuen> peace-keeper: mylyn hsa a context component and a task component
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[02:43:27] <ijuma> MikeMc: it may help to add the name of who you're asking (it causes a notification to be issues in many chat clients)
[02:44:14] <ijuma> MikeMc: it was sometime ago, so I don't remember the details unfortunately. But I had copied some of the setting files from one project to another and forgot to change some details
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[02:44:54] <rcjsuen> ijuma: Are you telling me you don't check XChat at least once every sixty seconds like me?
[02:45:38] <ijuma> MikeMc: maybe .settings/org.eclipse.wst.common.component
[02:46:06] <ijuma> rcjsuen: very rarely ;)
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[04:54:53] <sexappealcomesna> what's up
[04:55:27] <rcjsuen> sexappealcomesna: What a strange name you have there.
[05:02:00] <sexappealcomesna> really
[05:02:10] <sexappealcomesna> i was trying to be clever
[05:03:41] <rcjsuen> Well then, suit yourself.
[05:05:12] <ijuma> is there a length limit or did you intentionally leave out the "turally" ?
[05:05:29] <rcjsuen> I think there's a length limit.
[05:05:46] <rcjsuen> ijuma: I was actually having difficulties figuring out the rest of that word. Your guess seems plausible then.
[05:06:19] <ijuma> rcjsuen: i'd be surprised if it was anything else ;)
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[05:06:35] <eyecandy>  how this one?
[05:07:03] <eyecandy> anyways what's up
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[05:07:12] <rcjsuen> I subconsciously read NA as North America but that doesn't make any sense anyway.
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[05:08:03] <ijuma> eyecandy: it's shorter at least. Not that I mind either way since I don't type it in full anyway
[05:08:08] <ijuma> oh
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[05:08:20] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[05:08:33] <ijuma> probably realised that this was not your typical social chat
[05:09:07] <rcjsuen> ;)
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[08:24:58] <NetAffect> shit i keep hittihng alt p and i can't rebuiild project, why?
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[09:55:13] <Skyke> Can someone give me a hint on how to override the run method of the global SaveAction?
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[10:01:44] <astaldo> Hello everyone
[10:03:33] <astaldo> i have the following Problem: I want to create a patch for a UTF-8 project and apply it to another revision of it. But I cant do it, because the symbols (like ä,ü,ö,ß) are not properly recognized. I have the General-Workspace-Textencoding  set to UTF-8
[10:03:54] <tvparys> Good morning all. My company will be purchasing yFiles (the neat graphing algorithms and visualisations), but has also mentioned the development of Eclipse RCP applications. Has anyone experience with how these play together (yFiles being Swing based and Eclipse using SWT/GEF)?
[10:05:44] <astaldo> can someone help me with that
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[10:12:40] <k7h> good morning
[10:13:48] <k7h> I've a litte problem with a ImageHyperlink - I can't change the hight in anyway. I tried it with LayoutData with computeSize with setSize but the hight of it is every time 18px
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[10:45:27] <jmatt> im using eclipse tptp static analysis and have a problem: http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=5461&group=eclipse.tptp#5461
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[11:04:22] <Carnage\> What's the recommended way to open a text editor for a text file referenced by a java.io.File object?
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[11:11:06] <ElvanorAtWork> Does the CVS support for Eclipse have special file icons, like for SVN?
[11:15:35] <roots_> ElvanorAtWork: general->appearance->label decorations
[11:16:46] <Skyke> Is there a way to override the default(global) save command?
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[11:22:17] <ElvanorAtWork> OK, it put a > before my CVS project name, is that normal?
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[11:30:55] <lnxnt> what is the difference between a delegate and a proxy?
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[11:45:05] <z4z4> ElvanorAtWork : the ">" indicates that your project has some changes comparing to the HEAD
[11:45:38] <z4z4> lnxnt : I would ask google about that :)
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[11:49:19] <ElvanorAtWork> z4z4: thx
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[11:50:41] <ElvanorAtWork> I have a problem, I authenticate to CVS via a SSH key that has a passphrase
[11:50:45] <ElvanorAtWork> can eclipse support that?
[11:50:56] <ElvanorAtWork> currently I have an error whenever I access the CVS server
[11:58:35] <z4z4> what's a passphrase? never heard of it
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[12:00:25] <Carnage\> What's the recommended way to open a text editor for a text file referenced by a java.io.File object?
[12:00:31] <ElvanorAtWork> that's a password you must type to use your SSH key
[12:02:09] <lnxnt> where has "compute build path" for plugins moved?
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[12:02:35] <NetEffect> hi
[12:02:45] <NetEffect> project, build project won't unghost
[12:02:48] <NetEffect> i dunno why
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[12:06:23] <z4z4> ElvanorAtWork : have you seen the SSH2 preference page?
[12:06:38] <z4z4> General > Network Connections > SSH2
[12:06:40] <ElvanorAtWork> yes
[12:06:47] <ElvanorAtWork> but everything is correct there
[12:07:00] <ElvanorAtWork> and the CVS documentation also tells me that everything I do is correct
[12:07:18] <z4z4> what does the error say?
[12:08:29] <ElvanorAtWork> Nothing, that's the problem
[12:08:38] <ElvanorAtWork> !ENTRY org.eclipse.team.cvs.core 4 -4 2008-01-10 11:27:15.666
[12:08:38] <ElvanorAtWork> !MESSAGE Unknown response received from cvs server:
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[12:09:51] <z4z4> this is it? is that all?
[12:10:03] <z4z4> what about the Error log?
[12:12:30] <ElvanorAtWork> error log is what I gave you
[12:12:35] <ElvanorAtWork> and yes it's all
[12:12:55] <z4z4> I see
[12:15:09] <z4z4> You could try to enable the "Display detailed protocol output" option on the CVS pref page
[12:15:16] <z4z4> and then try again
[12:15:33] <z4z4> you should get some extra information in the CVS console view
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[12:23:48] <feindbild> hi =)
[12:26:22] <feindbild> Eclipse crashes when using the mylyn trac connector and opening a ticket with lots of comments. Has anybody else experienced this problem?
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[12:31:24] <z4z4> feindbild : have you looked for a similar bug on Mylyn's bugzilla?
[12:35:54] <feindbild> yes ... nothing.
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[12:56:57] <k0001> hello everyone, i'd like to know what is the purpose of "project references" in eclipse? (actually in eclipse/cdt)
[12:58:13] <ElvanorAtWork> Where is this  "Display detailed protocol output" option?
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[13:09:14] <mike1o> Version: 3.3.1.1 crashes frequently probably because of lack of memory. I have 1GB, is there anything I can do besides buying a new memory
[13:09:17] <mike1o> ?
[13:12:42] <dominikg> mike1o, 1GB should be enough (unless you run other very memory intensive applications)
[13:12:59] <dominikg> do you see any error messages?
[13:13:03] <dominikg> ~logs
[13:13:04] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
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[13:43:25] <rcjsuen> Carnage\: Get an IFileStore and open that with IDE.
[13:43:46] <lnxnt> is "Plug-in class" the same as "activator" ?
[13:44:03] <rcjsuen> NetEffect: Do you actually have a project selected?
[13:44:10] <rcjsuen> Did you try other views? Project Explorer / Navigator?
[13:44:40] <rcjsuen> feindbild: Maybe it's time to file one.
[13:47:16] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: Depends on the context, plug-in class is pretty vague.
[13:47:51] <ElvanorAtWork> Is there a way to search through a file, without opening the Find/Replace dialog
[13:48:05] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: a class responsible for the plug-in life cycle
[13:48:26] <rcjsuen> ElvanorAtWork: Ctrl+J
[13:48:29] <ElvanorAtWork> I find it bothersome to have that dialog window popup over my editors
[13:48:30] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: that's probably what they mean then
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[13:48:59] <ElvanorAtWork> rcjsuen: what's the command, as I change all the custom keys
[13:49:15] <ElvanorAtWork> rcjsuen: by the way, Eclipse-3.3 is nearing inclusion into the Gentoo tree
[13:49:30] <paulweb515> ElvanorAtWork: incremental search is CTRL+J normally
[13:49:54] <rcjsuen> Just hit Ctrl+J and start typing and see what happens.
[13:50:28] <rcjsuen> Assuming you didn't change it.
[13:50:40] <ElvanorAtWork> rcjsuen: ok nice (I did change it so I had to look up the incremental search command)
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[13:58:30] <ElvanorAtWork> Other question, is it possible to navigate the annotations?
[13:59:12] <paulweb515> like warnings, errors, etc?
[14:00:50] <ElvanorAtWork> yes
[14:01:04] <rcjsuen> There is a way but I forgot the hotkey off-hand.
[14:03:20] <ElvanorAtWork> ok, I will find it
[14:04:50] <paulweb515> ElvanorAtWork: it's either CTRL+. or ALT+. (and , for back)
[14:05:12] <paulweb515> CTRL+. and CTRL+,
[14:05:38] <ElvanorAtWork> again, what's the name of the command, as I customize my keys, please
[14:05:45] <Carnage\> rcjsuen: As so often, your's was the crucial hint :)
[14:06:16] <Carnage\> However, I'm using LocalFile extends FileStore right now, but LocalFile is in an internal package. Do you see any way around this problem?
[14:06:33] <rcjsuen> Carnage\: say what now -> "using LocalFile extends FileStore"
[14:07:31] <Carnage\> rcjsuen: Sorry didn't get that?!
[14:07:38] <rcjsuen> Carnage\: Rephrase what you said.
[14:07:43] <Carnage\> I'm using FileStore store = new LocalFile(myFile);
[14:07:59] <paulweb515> ElvanorAtWork: Next and Previous (literally)
[14:08:00] <rcjsuen> why are you doing that
[14:08:13] <ElvanorAtWork> paulweb515: thx
[14:08:22] <Carnage\> How can I get a FileStore for a LocalFile differently?
[14:08:25] <rcjsuen> you should be using an IFileStore
[14:08:32] <rcjsuen> Carnage\: Rummage around the EFS apis
[14:08:48] <ElvanorAtWork> paulweb515: apparently it does not navigate the arrows that appear, for example when you make a search in the current file
[14:08:53] <ElvanorAtWork> is there a way to navigate those?
[14:09:18] <rcjsuen> That's a separate kind of annotation I think.
[14:09:27] <rcjsuen> Next/Previous is for markers I think.
[14:09:28] <Carnage\> rcjsuen: Couldn't find another implementation of IFileStore suitable for my task...
[14:09:43] <rcjsuen> ~tell Carnage\ about api IFileSystem
[14:09:44] <KOS-MOS> Carnage\: org.eclipse.core.filesystem.IFileSystem - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/core/filesystem/IFileSystem.html
[14:09:55] <rcjsuen> ~tell Carnage\ about api EFS
[14:09:55] <KOS-MOS> Carnage\: org.eclipse.core.filesystem.EFS - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/core/filesystem/EFS.html
[14:10:10] <Carnage\> Ah thanks
[14:10:11] <rcjsuen> That's as far as I'm going to go, the rest should be straightforward if you read the docs.
[14:10:36] <Carnage\> Alright, thank you!
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[14:12:58] <rcjsuen> ElvanorAtWork: There is a way for incremental search but I'm not sure about Ctrl+H search.
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[14:40:18] <reinis> how can I make eclipse automatically trim trailing spaces and normalize newlines?
[14:40:53] <nemo> reinis: ooh. that's a good one. do let me know :)
[14:41:09] <nemo> personally I've just been doing it with a sed -i 's/[[:space:]]*$//'
[14:43:06] <reinis> bleh
[14:43:09] <reinis> even scite can do that
[14:43:14] <dominikg> reinis, for the java editor, you can configure 'save actions' that include invoking the code formatter and also trim trailing ws
[14:43:32] <dominikg> preferences->java->editor->... iirc
[14:43:35] <reinis> I'd need it for xml/html files and such
[14:44:06] <reinis> don't tell me there's no easy way to :/
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[14:45:42] <dominikg> if there is, i don't know one. Maybe there are similar preferences for your xml/html editors, but if not....
[14:46:29] <reinis> I don't see anything similar atm
[14:46:48] <nemo> reinis: is kind of annoying that way too. to set all tabs to 4 spaces, had to change in both places too
[14:46:53] <nemo> reinis: HTML and java
[14:47:10] <reinis> this is just amazing
[14:47:23] <nemo> too modular :)
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[14:47:32] <nemo> basic text editing should be more centralised :-p
[14:47:52] <reinis> oh, it seems you can make it normalize line delimiters in preferences->web and html->html files
[14:50:38] <nemo> $ eclipse
[14:50:38] <nemo> searching for compatible vm... testing /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj...found
[14:50:46] <nemo> how do I make eclipse not do that?
[14:50:54] <nemo> 'cause in fact java-gcj is breaking plugins
[14:51:02] <nemo> I kinda want to stick with Sun Java 1.6
[14:51:10] <nemo> which is what I *launched* it with
[14:51:21] <dominikg> ~gcj
[14:51:22] <KOS-MOS> GCJ is not officially supported by Eclipse as a Java runtime environment. Please talk with your distribution's packaging team and/or the GCJ team for assistance. To run Eclipse with a different JVM, see: http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I_just_installed_Eclipse_on_Linux.2C_but_it_does_not_start._What_is_the_problem.3F
[14:51:24] <dominikg> ~vm
[14:51:25] <KOS-MOS> To learn more about the Eclipse launcher / binary, see - http://www.eclipse.org/swt/launcher.html - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_Launcher - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/misc/launcher.html
[14:51:55] <nemo> dominikg: ah. could just have said "-vm option"
[14:52:10] <nemo> but I guess ~gcj is a few chars shorter even though I just had to load a wiki page to read that :-p
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[14:52:23] <Carnage\> How can I set a TextEditor to be read only?
[14:52:52] <nemo> dominikg: thanks. that did it
[14:52:55] <dominikg> (: there is more information about that topic on those pages. And by pointing you there, i'm answering questions you didn't even ask jet ;P
[14:53:31] <reinis> anyway, am I right in thinking that it turns out that eclipse adds inconsistent newlines to files?
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[14:57:26] <reinis> nemo, I think I found something: http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/
[14:57:37] <rcjsuen> Carnage\: Did you figure it out?
[14:57:53] <Carnage\> rcjsuen: Yeah, it's working now
[14:58:04] <rcjsuen> Carnage\: ok
[14:58:06] <Carnage\> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
[14:58:21] <Carnage\> Only issue remaining is how to make the TextEditor readonly
[14:58:28] <Carnage\> Any ideas regarding that?
[14:58:33] <rcjsuen> nemo: Why are you using Ubuntu's Eclipse package?
[14:58:51] <nemo> rcjsuen: because I haven't had time not to
[14:58:57] <nemo> rcjsuen: believe me, learned my lesson on here about that
[14:59:04] <nemo> stupid thing has been nothing but a hassle
[14:59:13] <rcjsuen> nemo: Well, you could start downloading it right now. ;)
[14:59:22] <nemo> ... need to reinstall everything though
[14:59:25] <nemo> plugins and such
[14:59:29] <nemo> not just redownload
[14:59:46] <nemo> those were installed globally
[15:01:18] <rcjsuen> Carnage\: You could call setEditable on the underlying StyledText, though sounds kind of hack-y.
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[15:05:00] <reinis> nemo, apparently, anyedit removes traling whitespaces etc. from all editors
[15:05:17] <reinis> it can also normalize tabs and so on
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[15:09:10] <Carnage\> rcjsuen: Yeah, that is what I'm doing right now, I just thought there might be a general setting for editors that I was unaware of
[15:13:41] <Apostol> Hi. First, sorry for my bad english. I have one quiestion. I have installed PDT (PHP Development Tools). I saw, that there are two options to run a solution: run as PHP script and run as PHP webpage. What is the difference?
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[15:20:20] <sphenxes> hi, i am a linux user and have installed eclipse. i have a problem compiling my program. i have looked online and help, but i getting instruction that i don't have on my program. would someone tell me please how to start a new simple hello world program and compile it either usuing eclipse or javac
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[15:27:54] <dominikg> sphenxes, check help -> help contents -> java development user guide -> getting started -> basic tutorial
[15:28:12] <sphenxes> dominikg, thanks
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[15:43:19] <robot_jesus> df/j svn
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[16:08:57] <jwisher> I was watching a screen cast of a servlet being made in eclipse.  the guy was declaring a variable and somehow esclipse guessed what type that variable should be, but he didn't say what he pressed to do that.  does anyone know?
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[16:11:08] <timothym> jwisher: default is Ctrl-Space to autocomplete
[16:11:16] <timothym> the official term is Content Assist
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[16:19:14] <jwisher> thanks
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[16:35:30] <lnxnt_> when I define an extension point, how can I make it have a child element with attribute "class" ?
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[16:39:59] <paulweb515> lnxnt_: you would define the element you want, and then add a sequence to extension and add your child element to that
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[16:42:12] <lnxnt_> paulweb515: but it doesn't come up in the context menu
[16:42:55] <lnxnt_> paulweb515: I declare new elements and save, then I want to declare an extension and click right to add elements  but the elements dont come up
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[16:44:51] <paulweb515> lnxnt_: you don't already have an extension element?
[16:45:01] <paulweb515> lnxnt_: are you in the schema editor, or the PDE (plugin.xml) editor?
[16:45:58] <lnxnt_> paulweb515: I am first in the schema editor to add a new element. Then I change to the PDE editor and create a new extension where I want to use that newly created elements.
[16:47:20] <paulweb515> rebuilding should have caused the PDE editor to pick up the schema changes
[16:48:55] <lnxnt_> paulweb515: I cleaned the project but it doesn't change
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[17:04:35] <lnxnt_> I dont know
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[17:06:11] <lnxnt_> the elements don't appear
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[17:13:39] <lnxnt_> what can I do?
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[17:16:32] <njbartlett_> lnxnt_: Did you include the "sequence" node as a child of the extension tag itself? It's stupidly easy to forget that bit, I do it all the time
[17:18:08] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: sequence node? Do I need to add a sequence node to in the schema?
[17:18:48] <njbartlett_> Yeah okay in the tree on the left you should see an element called "extension", which was there when you started, and under that the element that you created
[17:19:22] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: yes
[17:19:35] <njbartlett_> Right click on "extension" and select... err... something like "Add compositor > Sequence". Sorry I don't have Eclipse open, I don't know the exact menu text
[17:19:52] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: yes I found that one
[17:20:09] <njbartlett_> Then right click on the "sequence" which has just been added and select "Add Reference > your element name"
[17:20:31] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: ok done
[17:20:44] <njbartlett_> You might also need to change the cardinality from exactly one to unbounded
[17:21:13] <njbartlett_> Save the schema and see if the PDE editor now prompts you the way you expected.
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[17:22:29] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: no it doesnt :/
[17:22:33] <xLE> is it possible to show the line numbers in the c++ version of eclipse?
[17:22:51] <njbartlett_> xLE: Yes, you can turn on line numbering for any text editor in Eclipse
[17:23:01] <xLE> how would i go about doing it?
[17:23:02] <njbartlett_> lnxnt_: Arse. Then I dunno. Can you pastebin the schema file
[17:23:08] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: I can show you a screenshot
[17:23:48] <njbartlett_> xLE: Preferences -> General -> Editors -> Text Editors -> "show line numbers" checkbox
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[17:23:56] <njbartlett_> lnxnt_: Yeah that might work
[17:25:22] <xLE> thanks
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[17:25:33] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/38908/20048716999580
[17:26:03] <njbartlett_> lnxnt_: That gives a 404 error
[17:26:09] <rcjsuen> that doesn't load
[17:27:34] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/38908/2004871699958041325_rs.jpg
[17:27:35] <lnxnt_> sorry
[17:28:23] <njbartlett_> Ah okay
[17:28:38] <njbartlett_> When I said right click on the "extension" node, it seems you right clicked on the other one
[17:29:02] <njbartlett_> What you've said here is basically "listener contains a list of listeners"
[17:29:13] <njbartlett_> You need to say "extension contains a list of listeners"
[17:29:38] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: ah :)
[17:29:45] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: works now
[17:29:49] <lnxnt_> njbartlett_: thanks a lot
[17:29:55] <njbartlett_> lnxnt_: Cool. No prob
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[17:38:02] <eidolon> hrm.  i'm trying to do my first merge in subclipse.  there were changes in the trunk i want to merge into the branch.  i think i have everything filled out, but the 'Dry Run' and 'Merge' buttons are still greyed out.
[17:43:27] <multi_io> RCP/EditorPart question: I want IWorkbenchPage.openEditor() to choose the Editor class to create depending on (some attributes of) the EditorInput passed to openEditor(). Is that possible? Is there a way to hook your own code into how openEditor() chooses the editor class to create?
[17:44:10] <rcjsuen> multi_io: the class knows nothing about the IEditorInput, unlikely
[17:44:22] <multi_io> (by default, it just consults the plugin.xml and looks up the editor class corresponding to the editor id passed to openEditor(), AFAICS)
[17:45:25] <rcjsuen> can't you specify the editor id
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[17:47:54] <multi_io> I can, but then I'd have to register all my editors in plugin.xml and assign different IDs to them...
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[17:48:36] <multi_io> it would be more natural to choose the editor class in Java, based on the EditorInput
[17:48:36] <rcjsuen> That's how it works, what is your use case
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[17:49:59] <multi_io> well, my model layer exposes different types of objects, and I want to use a different editor for each of them
[17:51:21] <rcjsuen> Well, if you tihnk this should be supported, file a nRFE.
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[17:52:51] <multi_io> there's something called an EditorManager in WorkbenchPage, which appears to encapsulate the actual editor creation
[17:53:22] <multi_io> unfortunately there's apparently no easy way to provide your own EditorManager
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[18:10:51] <swombat> Anyone know if there's a way to tweak eclipse on the mac so that it supports the typical text navigation shortcuts that TextMate provides? e.g. ctrl/alt/cmd-left and right to navigate by sub-word/word/line, and perhaps a few others...?
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[18:30:37] <asmarin> hi
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[18:30:45] <rcjsuen> asmarin: Hi
[18:30:48] <asmarin> im trying to instal wst from update manager
[18:31:53] <rcjsuen> asmarin: And...?
[18:31:58] <asmarin> but need draw2d
[18:32:13] <asmarin> how i can install these dependencie
[18:32:50] <rcjsuen> asmarin: Did you click 'Add Required'?
[18:32:53] <rcjsuen> Select Required, rather
[18:33:20] <asmarin> uhmm i push it but doesnt occurs
[18:33:25] <asmarin> im using leopard
[18:33:40] <asmarin> rcjsuen
[18:34:00] <rcjsuen> asmarin: Please take a screenshot.
[18:35:04] <asmarin> and where i paste it?
[18:35:11] <rcjsuen> ~image
[18:35:11] <KOS-MOS> Please upload your screenshots online - http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add - http://imagebin.ca/upload.php - http://imageshack.us/
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[18:37:33] <rcjsuen> asmarin: Are you following a tutorial or something?
[18:37:45] <rcjsuen> asmarin: What update site are you using?
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[18:39:23] <asmarin> eeeehhh
[18:39:28] <asmarin> this is a shit
[18:39:32] <asmarin> joder
[18:39:43] <asmarin> im using a tutorial from my job
[18:39:49] <asmarin> i installed subclipse
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[18:40:08] <asmarin> and i need wst for get pdt php development tools
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[18:40:15] <rcjsuen> asmarin: By 'this' you mean Eclipse, right?
[18:40:21] <asmarin> ok
[18:40:24] <asmarin> sure
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[18:40:48] <rcjsuen> Is the tutorial publicly online?
[18:40:49] <asmarin> why dont get dependencies himself
[18:40:51] <asmarin> nope
[18:40:54] <asmarin> do you have one?
[18:41:01] <asmarin> i think this will be better and faster
[18:41:10] <rcjsuen> well, i was going to see what it was saying
[18:41:13] <rcjsuen> what update site are you usin
[18:41:20] <asmarin> a second...
[18:41:32] <rcjsuen> what does the tutorial say
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[18:41:46] <asmarin> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/updates/
[18:41:56] <rcjsuen> what does the tutorial tell you to do
[18:41:58] <asmarin> nothing....is a simple ppt
[18:42:09] <rcjsuen> what did it say
[18:42:10] <asmarin> only appears subclipse and pdt links
[18:42:11] <rcjsuen> "Install Subclipse and WST, page 2"
[18:42:19] <asmarin> nope...nothing about wst
[18:42:24] <rcjsuen> so how did you get the update site link
[18:42:26] <asmarin> i think teacher forget it
[18:42:35] <asmarin> because i was searching on eclipse homepage
[18:42:46] <asmarin> appears on hotests links
[18:42:56] <rcjsuen> asmarin: give me the http link
[18:42:59] <rcjsuen> of the page you loaded
[18:43:04] <asmarin> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/updates/
[18:43:57] <asmarin> uhmm i thinking its for updates not for install :-S
[18:44:12] <rcjsuen> i don't think that's the html page
[18:44:25] <rcjsuen> i wnat the page that gives you the update link
[18:44:25] <rcjsuen> oh wait, nm
[18:44:29] <rcjsuen> asmarin: Sentence 3 -> This Web Tools Platform update site does assume you have all the pre-reqs installed.
[18:44:44] <asmarin> well...
[18:44:45] <rcjsuen> ~pdt-install
[18:44:46] <KOS-MOS> Trying to install PDT? - http://wiki.eclipse.org/PDT/FAQ#Installation
[18:44:49] <rcjsuen> ~pdt
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[18:44:58] <asmarin> ok...
[18:46:10] <asmarin> what difference between callisto and europa? :-S
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[18:49:39] <asmarin> now installing
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[18:50:31] <dominikg> asmarin, apporximatly 1 year worth of development
[18:50:55] <asmarin> im noob on eclipse
[18:51:03] <squirrelpimp> hi
[18:51:04] <asmarin> im using europa...so...
[18:51:31] <squirrelpimp> i'd like to build multiple binaries in parallel using eclipse cdt. is it possible to do that? is there a dedicated irc-channel for cdt?
[18:51:42] <squirrelpimp> i'm using version 4 of cdt
[18:51:48] <dominikg> callisto was the 2006 release, europa is the 2007 release, so using europa is the right thing to do
[18:52:01] <asmarin> ok thanks for information :-D
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[18:58:45] <d_a_carver> squirrelpimp: probably best to ask on cdt newsgroup
[18:59:11] <asmarin> well..i install pdt and for python?
[19:01:28] <asmarin> something similar to pdt but for python?
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[19:27:20] <mrichman> When I add a task to the task view, where is that task physically stored?
[19:27:36] <rcjsuen> 'Tasks' or 'Task List'?
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[19:27:44] <rcjsuen> mrichman: Why do you ask?
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[19:52:24] <FReeZ> Hello, how can I disable the splashscreen ?
[19:52:53] <FReeZ> Does the commandline argument --no-splashscreen exist?
[19:53:05] <FReeZ> ...or something similar?
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[19:54:55] <paulweb515> ~runtime
[19:55:55] <paulweb515> FReeZ: http://help.eclipse.org/help33/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/misc/runtime-options.html
[19:58:57] <FReeZ> Thanks a lot paulweb515
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[20:07:52] <NetEffect> i feel like i've learned 2% of eclipse and not learning any more
[20:08:07] <rcjsuen> NetEffect: So be it.
[20:08:13] <NetEffect> heh
[20:08:53] <rcjsuen> NetEffect: Best of luck to your other ventures then, I hope we can be of assistance to you in the future.
[20:09:05] <NetEffect> :) you've always been
[20:09:11] <NetEffect> yeah i'll continue using it, i do like it
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[20:19:43] <Sukh0i> hi
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[20:19:52] <paulweb515> hi
[20:20:44] <mrichman> Sorry, I am looking at the "Tasks" tab.
[20:20:45] <Sukh0i> how are you guys?
[20:23:20] <rcjsuen> mrichman: Why do you ask?
[20:23:37] <rcjsuen> I presume the resources plug-in keeps it on disk somehow, possibly in some xml file.
[20:24:28] <mrichman> I wanted to know if the tasks were under source control
[20:24:46] <mrichman> i dont see them in the .project file
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[20:31:27] <rcjsuen> mrichman: No, they are not.
[20:31:30] <rcjsuen> Not if you add those by hand.
[20:32:24] <mrichman> I guess I'm back to keeping my "TODO" file in svn
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[20:40:10] <Sukhoi> Can anyone help me. I have created Sample XML Editor and than PreferencePage. On PreferencePage I have ColorFieldEditor. When I Apply new color, color is saved to PreferenceStore. But if I want to use new color I have to close Editor and reopen it. Can anyone give me a clue how to recolor it on the fly?
[20:41:44] <Sukhoi> I should somehow refresh editor on performOk();
[20:41:54] <rcjsuen> Think you need to send an event to the SourceViewerConfiguration or something like that.
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[21:29:26] <rawblem> hmm... my working sets aren't doing very much at all... ... ...
[21:29:59] <rawblem> heh the package explorer and navigator aren't trimming themselves.
[21:30:34] <zx|cafe> what do you mean?
[21:30:53] <rawblem> i create a working set... i enable it... and the package explorer and navigator still show my 200 projects
[21:31:53] <zx|cafe> make sure the chevron in the pkg explorer says that your top level elements are "Working Sets"
[21:32:12] <rawblem> zx|cafe:  what?
[21:32:20] <rcjsuen> click the drop down arrow in the Package Explorer
[21:32:20] <rawblem> whats a chevron?
[21:32:27] <zx|cafe> ya what rcjsuen says
[21:32:27] <rcjsuen> Top Level Elements > Working Set
[21:33:01] <robot_jesus> a chevron looks like a ^
[21:33:06] <robot_jesus> sort of
[21:33:15] <robot_jesus> facing any direction
[21:34:39] <rawblem> hmm... weird.  I remember not having to do that before... I remember also not having the working set actually show up.  The way I remember it, i'd just do window -> working sets and enable or disable one and it'd automatically change the views
[21:34:55] <rawblem> but the working set wouldnt be the root
[21:35:34] <rawblem> and if i disabled all working sets, teh package explorer would just load / show every project
[21:36:25] <rawblem> oh well maybe this is new. shrug
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[21:39:53] <jasonb> When I search for calls to a method (Search > References > Workspace), it finds them only in my .java source files, but not in my JSPs.  Why?
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[21:43:28] <rawblem> jasonb: i don't think eclipse compiles your jsp files into servlets, so i don't think it can do that.  you'll probably have to do a raw text search for the method call
[21:44:01] <jasonb> rawblem: I want method refactorings to change the method calls in JSPs as well as Java source files, and I have to do lots of these.
[21:44:34] <rawblem> jasonb: i want a million dollars and a house in milan
[21:44:42] <rawblem> jasonb: good luck to both of us
[21:45:05] <zx|cafe> lol
[21:45:24] <jasonb> I have co-workers whose eclipse installations actually do this, and we can't really tell what's making it work for them and not for me.
[21:45:30] <jasonb> So, I know it *can* work.
[21:45:53] <jasonb> I just don't know what configuration triggers JSP search.
[21:47:44] <rawblem> jasonb:  you might want to post on the webtools user group to ask
[21:47:59] <martinkli> jasonb: have you installed the web tools at all?
[21:48:19] <jasonb> I have Eclipse Europa.  It has J2EE and web tools as far as I know.
[21:48:27] <jasonb> It has a J2EE perspective.
[21:49:19] <martinkli> so you have installed the eclipse edition for j2ee development from eclipse.org?
[21:50:57] <jasonb> Yes.
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[21:58:50] <arooni> can someone help me defeat the memory problems i get in eclipse 3.3.1.1?  please see http://pastie.caboo.se/137905 for my eclipse.ini and error messages... thanks!
[21:59:10] <martinkli> I have J2EE Standard Tools and Web Standard Tools installed as well, but can't refactor methods in jsps, too...
[21:59:54] <rcjsuen> arooni: What is -Xss
[22:00:17] <rcjsuen> You might also want to try starting Eclipse on an empty workspace.
[22:00:27] <arooni> rcjsuen, not sure... i'm just copied some helpful persons' eclipse.ini who wasn't having memroy problems
[22:00:40] <arooni> rcjsuen, how would i do that
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[22:08:54] <martinkli> jasonb: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=148592
[22:09:10] <martinkli> jasonb: what kind of project have you got? simple java project?
[22:09:14] * jasonb looks
[22:09:33] <jasonb> martinkli: How do I find out the exact kind of project it is?
[22:09:35] <rawblem> eclipse europa should come with PDE/build, right?
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[22:13:18] <martinkli> jasonb: look at the .project file
[22:13:34] <martinkli> there will be some natures in it
[22:13:43] <rawblem> ok i guess not. awesome
[22:14:04] <martinkli> rawblem: depends on the edition you download
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[22:14:36] <mahogny> WARNING Couldn't flush user prefs eclipse     am I alone of getting this error with the latest official Eclipse Classic under linux?
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[22:15:35] <mahogny> WARNING: Couldn't flush user prefs: java.util.prefs.BackingStoreException: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Not supported: indent-number   to be precise
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[22:18:16] <martinkli> mahogny: have you tried a fresh workspace?
[22:18:43] <mahogny> yes, this one is new. I've had the same bug on an older copy of eclipse with a different workspace
[22:19:09] <mahogny> something obvious I can check?
[22:19:21] <martinkli> have you installed a version from eclipse.org or the one that came with you linux distro (if any)?
[22:19:29] <mahogny> eclipse.org
[22:19:59] <jasonb> martinkli: The natures of my project are: org.eclipse.wst.common.project.facet.core.nature, org.eclipse.jdt.core.javanature, org.eclipse.wst.common.modulecore.ModuleCoreNature, org.eclipse.jem.workbench.JavaEMFNature
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[22:21:51] <martinkli> jasonb: I don't know exactly which nature would be required to make things work, if that is the problem at all, but I believe that you may need to have a "dynamic web project" as mentioned in the bug report from above
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[22:22:19] <Sukhoi> Can anyone tell me where can I find IFileEditorInput?
[22:22:43] <martinkli> jasonb: you could try to create a new dynamic web project, if that is available and then see what the .project file contains in that case
[22:23:03] <martinkli> and as well whether jsp refactoring works in that project...
[22:23:38] <jasonb> martinkli: Good ideas.. thanks..
[22:23:57] <rcjsuen> ~tell Sukhoi about findclass
[22:23:57] <KOS-MOS> Sukhoi: Looking for a particular class in the Eclipse APIs? http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_find_a_particular_class_from_an_Eclipse_plug-in%3F
[22:24:07] <martinkli> jasonb: you're welcome
[22:24:30] <rcjsuen> mahogny: Haven't heard of that problem personally.
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[22:25:32] <mahogny> ok. well, I can live with it. I have a theory that maybe my XML library is conflicting with the one java uses to write the config. in that case it will be gone later
[22:25:35] <jasonb> martinkli: Nope, the project file for that looks exactly like mine.
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[22:30:01] <Sukhoi> KOS-MOS: Thnx for the info. I know it is in org.eclipse.ui, but I cant use it. I can only use IFileEditorMapping
[22:30:45] <rcjsuen> Sukhoi: No, it is not in o.e.ui.
[22:30:56] <Sukhoi> hmn hmn :)
[22:31:07] <rcjsuen> Open Type > IFileEditorInput
[22:31:12] <rcjsuen> bottom bar, o.e.ui.ide.jar
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[22:32:16] <Sukhoi> o.e.ui.ide_3.3.1.Mblabla.jar
[22:32:18] <Sukhoi> huh :D
[22:32:34] <Sukhoi> Thanks
[22:32:34] <rcjsuen> huh what
[22:32:38] <rcjsuen> Okay.
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[22:37:28] <jasonb> martinkli: And, refactoring a Java method does not modify JSPs in the new dynamic web project either.
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[22:42:40] <Sukhoi> rcjsuen: And how can I use this?
[22:43:10] <rcjsuen> ?
[22:43:23] <rcjsuen> You tell us, we don't know what you're trying to do.
[22:43:31] <Sukhoi> I found an external JAR with IFileEditorInput
[22:44:48] <Sukhoi> How can I use IFileEditorInput?
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[22:45:33] <rcjsuen> You should add org.eclipse.ui.ide as a dependency to your plug-in. That's probably what you want to do.
[22:46:16] <lnxnt_> what is the way to copy a plugin - just copy?
[22:46:41] <lnxnt_> something like duplicate is there anything like that
[22:47:18] <rcjsuen> just copy the relevant jars and paste it wherever you want
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[22:48:25] <lnxnt_> what is the difference between a rcp and a plugin btw
[22:48:39] <rcjsuen> Those two terms are not really talking about the same thing.
[22:49:07] <lnxnt_> i mean the rich client application, sorry
[22:49:12] <rcjsuen> Also, 'a rcp' is kind of vague, are you talking about 'rcp' as a Rich Client Platform or 'rcp' as an 'RCP Application'.
[22:49:58] <lnxnt_> can I decide from the project structure if something is a rcp application or not?
[22:51:25] <rcjsuen> "project structure"?
[22:51:47] <rcjsuen> Depends what's in the project, probably not. You could have a thousand RCP apps contained within one app.
[22:51:50] <rcjsuen> What matters is which one you actually start.
[22:51:57] <rcjsuen> They are all OSGi bundles at the end of the day.
[22:55:43] <Sukhoi> rcjsuen: Thnx, now it works.
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[22:57:21] <rcjsuen> Sukhoi: Okay.
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[23:14:34] <rcjsuen> Anyone familiar with IInformationControls? My shell pops up after my proposal info has been computed (like the javadoc that appears next to a method's completion proposal), but instantly gets disposed.
[23:14:51] <rcjsuen> Apparently something's focus is lost, and so the proposal is hidden
[23:15:00] <rcjsuen> jdt doesn't seem to have this problem (obviously)
[23:15:20] <rcjsuen> in jdt's case, the same stack trace appear if i move my text caret elsewhere through the mouse (the "focus is lost" bit)
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[23:24:27] <rcjsuen> in setVisible(boolean), use shell.setVisible(boolean) instead of shell.open(), problem solved
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