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[00:04:16] <lnxnt> isn't there anything called org.eclipse.core.runtime.Plugin anymore?
[00:05:17] <rcjsuen> er, yes
[00:05:18] <rcjsuen> ~api Plugin
[00:05:19] <KOS-MOS> org.eclipse.core.runtime.Plugin - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/core/runtime/Plugin.html
[00:05:36] <rcjsuen> Eclipse needs to maintain backwards compatibility. They don't just delete classes.
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[00:08:15] <lnxnt> Im sorry, I really would like that book to be up to date
[00:08:34] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: What did the book say?
[00:08:38] <rcjsuen> Did the book say the class doesn't exist?
[00:08:54] <lnxnt> no, it says it exists
[00:09:13] <lnxnt> but how can I make the examples if it is deprecated
[00:09:25] <rcjsuen> So what did the book say that gave you the impression that it was deleted?
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[00:10:04] <lnxnt> it didn't say anyting but when I created the class JUnitPlugin extens Plugin I get error because eclipse can't find org.eclipse.core.runtime.Plugin
[00:10:36] <lnxnt> I mean it says "go ahead, make the example"
[00:10:44] <lnxnt> the book says
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[00:11:33] <rcjsuen> It didn't say anything before that?
[00:11:43] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: what do you mean?
[00:11:49] <rcjsuen> It didn't tell you what kind of project to make?
[00:11:55] <rcjsuen> Just "Go make this class"
[00:12:56] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: yes, the book is old and if I was making this example in 2003 I would get no errors
[00:13:51] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: ah it is a plugin project of cource
[00:14:01] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: Yes, that.
[00:14:06] <lnxnt> course
[00:14:13] <rcjsuen> Even in 2003, I doubt Eclipse randomly adds classes to one's project classpath.
[00:15:32] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: :)
[00:15:36] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: ok got it
[00:15:57] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: added to dependencies...man that was hard
[00:16:09] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: Well, it's a learning experience.
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[00:18:48] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: yes seems to be .. ;)
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[00:51:56] <rcjsuen> njbartlett_: Had to look your first phrase up in the dictionary, Happy New Year, huh, I'll keep that one in mind.
[00:52:33] <njbartlett_> Hehe. The second bit literally means something like "this year also, please be kind to me and I will be kind to you"
[00:54:25] <rcjsuen> njbartlett_: I hate it when I can't view Japanese text on Flash pages. :(
[00:54:51] <nemo> s/Japanese text on//
[00:55:10] <nemo> s/hate.*Flash/hate Flash/
[00:55:11] <rcjsuen> nemo: Well, that would be an annoyance, yes.
[00:55:27] <rcjsuen> Hopefully I can enroll in a Japanese class next term.
[00:55:56] <nemo> still in uni?
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[00:56:22] <rcjsuen> nemo: yeah
[00:56:23] <njbartlett_> I mostly have to use Rikaichan to read Japanese text anyway, so yeah, I hate Flash too
[00:57:34] <rcjsuen> wow that's a handy extension o.O
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[00:57:49] <rcjsuen> I don't need to keep typing random words in the dictionary then.
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[01:07:13] <rcjsuen> njbartlett_: I thought we were talking on dev
[01:07:18] <rcjsuen> I had intended to start the conversation on dev.
[01:07:21] <rcjsuen> I guess I failed miserably.
[01:07:42] <njbartlett_> You're still
[01:07:55] <rcjsuen> I am
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[02:52:21] <alexbobp> Can I import a c++ project with a makefile into eclipse?
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[02:54:09] <unix_infidel> if i install epic with the eclipse find and install dialog.
[02:54:30] <unix_infidel> i can cp the eclipse binary to another computer and it will still be avilable right?
[02:54:35] <d_a_carver> alexbobp: should be able to did you check the CDT FAQ or newsgroup?
[02:54:36] <unix_infidel> erm, the eclipse folder.
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[02:55:09] <alexbobp> d_a_carver: I don't know about either.  Can you give me a link to the FAQ?
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[03:06:40] <unix_infidel> hey guys, i'm trying to run a perl script using an external tool with the perl binary. is there a way i can run a perl script without having eclipse make it a project.
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[03:07:20] <alexbobp> you can use perl from the command line
[03:07:23] <alexbobp> or do you mean from eclipse?
[03:07:40] <unix_infidel> alexbobp: from eclipse.
[03:07:43] <rcjsuen> unix_infidel: well, assuming you're copying that eclipse installation to the same OS
[03:07:52] <unix_infidel> i'm using epic + eclipse right now.
[03:08:10] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: i just went ahead and checked by running a perl script within a project to make sure.
[03:08:16] <unix_infidel> and examined some of the epic functionality
[03:08:32] <unix_infidel> but i wanted to know if there was a way to make eclipse use the perl binary without having to associate a single perl script with a project.
[03:10:42] <alexbobp> I don't think it can be done, but I wouldn't know
[03:10:53] <alexbobp> you could make a project and put all your single perl scripts into it though
[03:11:09] <unix_infidel> alexbobp: yea. but that defeats the purpose.
[03:11:36] <rcjsuen> i don't use epic, so not really sure what you mean by "eclipse use the perl binary without having to associate a single perl script with a project"
[03:11:51] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: well how do you execute your perl scripts?
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[03:11:59] <unix_infidel> from the command line?
[03:12:01] <rcjsuen> unix_infidel: I don't execute perl scripts because I don't use perl.
[03:12:08] <rcjsuen> But if I did, I would make an external launch configuration
[03:12:11] <rcjsuen> targeting the perl binary
[03:12:14] <rcjsuen> with an argument pointing at my script
[03:12:16] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: right....that's what I've done.
[03:12:40] <unix_infidel> but what I want to do is try and execute perl scripts without having to associate a single script with a project?
[03:12:59] <rcjsuen> Dunno what you mean by that
[03:13:07] <rcjsuen> you should be able to set an arbitrary script to run
[03:13:12] <rcjsuen> not necessarily "with a project"
[03:13:20] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: as it stands i need to do associate with a project.
[03:13:21] <rcjsuen> Please take a screenshot
[03:13:31] <unix_infidel> unless i'm unaware of a secondary method?
[03:13:41] <unix_infidel> http://e-p-i-c.sourceforge.net/running_perl_scripts_within_eclipse/entry.htm
[03:13:45] <unix_infidel> i'm using this configuration
[03:13:53] <rcjsuen> link the image
[03:14:04] <rcjsuen> This also looks like Eclipse 2.x.
[03:14:30] <rcjsuen> Please take a screenshot of your screen.
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[03:15:34] <unix_infidel> it's the only available documentation on how to launch perl scripts using the external launch config
[03:15:39] <unix_infidel> http://e-p-i-c.sourceforge.net/running_perl_scripts_within_eclipse/eclipse-runperl-figure4.png
[03:15:42] <unix_infidel> its exactly like this.
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[03:17:16] <popo> hi
[03:20:00] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: any ideas?
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[03:24:24] <rcjsuen> unix_infidel: I want your screen, not that old 2.x screen
[03:24:39] <rcjsuen> popo: Hi
[03:25:26] <feldari> hy ... does someone has any news running applications with swing embedded in swt on mac os x. was that bug solved. the bug report is still open, but the firm behind swt designer says, that it works. what now?
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[03:27:06] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: it looks virtually the same.
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[03:28:17] <rcjsuen> unix_infidel: I still want to see it.
[03:28:23] <rcjsuen> and yes I'm aware of that
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[03:34:02] <unix_infidel> http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2449/87815776vh8.png
[03:34:06] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: ^^
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[03:34:49] <unix_infidel> anyone?  that configuration only works when i have the single script associated in a project because of the container_loc
[03:34:54] <rcjsuen> unix_infidel: So did you try setting the location to the perl binary?
[03:35:15] <rcjsuen> why don't you just put an aboluste path to the perl script?
[03:36:01] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: for instance?
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[03:36:39] <rcjsuen> C:/test.pl or whatever
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[03:38:06] <unix_infidel> well the idea is that i should be able to run any perl script without having to specify the path for each perl script
[03:38:50] <rcjsuen> and how do you intend to do that
[03:38:57] <rcjsuen> a file dialog opens, oyu pick it, and it runs?
[03:39:18] <unix_infidel> rcjsuen: so i'm guessing eclipse doesnt work that way.
[03:39:34] <rcjsuen> unix_infidel: You could file an enhancement request to EPIC.
[03:39:34] <unix_infidel> you explicitly need to define the file befor ebeing able to run it.
[03:39:40] <rcjsuen> Sounds reasonable in my opinion.
[03:40:04] <rcjsuen> But the 'External Tools' doesn't work that way, no, you define everything and then it runs.
[03:40:18] <rcjsuen> of course, there are variables like container_loc and whatever, but those only go so far, as you have discovered.
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[03:43:56] <unix_infidel> indeed.
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[05:33:21] <CaneToad> anyone know what the base eclipse package is on fedora 8 ?
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[06:17:52] <arooni-mobile> i'm getting an "out of memory" error
[06:17:54] <arooni-mobile> when i load of elcipse
[06:17:58] <arooni-mobile> load up elcpse
[06:18:07] <arooni-mobile> also it gives me errors when i quit saying it could not save the workspace state
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[07:35:51] <ijuma> ~memory
[07:35:51] <KOS-MOS> Having memory problems? Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I.27m_having_memory.2C_heap.2C_or_permgen_problems.2C_what_can_I_do.3F and http://eclipsenuggets.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-your-eclipse-3.html
[07:35:58] <ijuma> arooni-mobile: ^
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[07:36:40] <ijuma> CaneToad: I think it's 3.3.x
[07:47:53] <CaneToad> thanks, I managed to sort it out...turns out my yum repository was stuffed and needed a clean out
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[08:36:08] <Johnson_> hey im having a problem with eclipse removing JRE system library from a project after i close ubuntu, so of course everything errors
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[08:38:27] <Johnson_> also when i leave a file open in the perspective say foo.java, i close eclipse and restart i always get this error Unable to create this part due to an internal error. Reason for the failure: An exception was thrown during initialization
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[08:52:29] <arooni-mobile> what level of memory should i set eclipse at
[08:52:40] <arooni-mobile> i'm also running aptana and radrails plugin + vi emulation + subclipse
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[08:55:58] <curiou1> i need some information about creating SWT applications.
[08:56:11] <curiou1> as eclipse plug-in
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[08:56:41] <arooni-mobile> where is the eclipse.ini
[08:57:48] <curiou1> i am using a TabFolder and want the page displayed as Tab to scroll.
[08:57:52] <curiou1> how can I do this?
[09:00:38] <arooni-mobile> i'm getting internal error; Java heap space errors
[09:00:40] <arooni-mobile> how do i fix?
[09:03:40] <lemmy> arooni-mobile, http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_increase_the_heap_size_available_to_Eclipse%3F
[09:03:58] <Rhe> !cmd
[09:03:59] <KOS-MOS> Check out the list of available commands I provide - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/messages.html
[09:04:10] <Rhe> you can use that bot also
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[09:05:19] <rrva> how do I checkout branch by date i.e cvs -D'2007-01-07' -R mybranch in eclipse?
[09:05:28] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, but how much
[09:05:41] <arooni-mobile> ive increased it from 256 => 400MB ... what more does it want
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[09:08:36] <lemmy> arooni-mobile, try increasing permgen space too. I usually run with -Xms256m -Xmx512m
[09:08:49] <lemmy> +it
[09:08:55] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, sweet
[09:09:03] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, once i adjust eclipse.ini i need to reboot
[09:09:08] <arooni-mobile> right?
[09:09:09] <Rhe> http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_bot#Source_Code
[09:09:14] <Rhe> where is that host?
[09:09:20] <Rhe> http? ftp? svn?
[09:09:57] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, do you folks every do anything like: -XX:MaxPermSize=256m
[09:09:57] <arooni-mobile>  ?
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[09:10:56] <lemmy> eclipse.ini changes only get picked up at startup
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[09:11:05] <arooni-mobile> if i adjust eclipse.ini
[09:11:10] <arooni-mobile> i dont need to run elcipse with command line args
[09:11:11] <arooni-mobile> right
[09:11:16] <arooni-mobile> damn
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[09:11:20] <arooni-mobile> i still get these errors
[09:11:39] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, mind taking a look at my eclipse.ini?
[09:11:40] <BlackDex> Hello there,
[09:11:40] <BlackDex> Is there a way to change the PHP Colors scheme
[09:11:49] <lemmy> http://pastebin.ca/847739 is the content of my eclipse.ini which I use in day to day development.
[09:12:28] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, why dont you have org.eclipse.plastform ... in the eclipse.ini ?
[09:14:45] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, i copied your eclipse.ini verbatim
[09:14:56] <arooni-mobile> and i'm still getting out of memory errors
[09:16:20] <lemmy> arooni-mobile, I've left the org.eclipse.platform line out.
[09:16:33] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, so did i
[09:16:37] <arooni-mobile> i'm still getting those memory errors
[09:16:45] <lemmy> out on pastebin.ca
[09:17:29] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, see: http://pastebin.ca/847743
[09:17:36] <lemmy> If you still get memory problems, I'd suggest to disable extra plug-ins one by one to find the memory hog
[09:17:57] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, but i *need* all of them... and they worked fine in previous verisons of elcipse
[09:18:39] <lemmy> arooni-mobile, I've updated 847743 to show my complete eclipse.ini
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[09:19:55] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, but do you see i pasted something nearly identical below
[09:20:00] <arooni-mobile> thats still givine me memory issues
[09:21:33] <lemmy> arooni-mobile, you could also try to start a fresh workspace. maybe something is screwed up there.
[09:21:51] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, ok
[09:21:57] <arooni-mobile> is there a way i acn backup my old workspace
[09:22:00] <arooni-mobile> where is this stufff stored
[09:22:38] <lemmy> arooni-mobile, simply choose a different location at startup. The old one won't be touched
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[09:23:40] <lemmy> arooni-mobile, If you don't get the workspace choose at startup, you can pass the new location via "eclipse.exe -data /path/to/workspace"
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[09:23:49] <arooni-mobile> lemmy, but i love my current workspace it has all my projects!! ;p
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[09:28:22] <Johnson> how do i change my default workspace for eclipse?
[09:30:23] <lemmy> Johnson, do you want to create another, new workspace?`
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[09:33:01] <mo> my right-click popup menu contribution is only available in "Navigator"-Tab. How can it be shown in C/C++-Projects tab?
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[09:35:49] <Johnson> lemmy no i want to change my default workspace
[09:36:01] <Johnson> it keeps opening a default workspace on the wrong partition
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[09:36:49] <lemmy> change in terms of location?
[09:37:41] <Johnson> lemmy yes
[09:38:10] <Johnson> right now its on a my linux partition. i have another one on my fat32 partition that windows can access also i'd like to change my default to that one
[09:38:11] <lemmy> Johnson, just move your workspace folder and change the location via eclipse.exe -data /path/to/new/workspace
[09:38:51] <lemmy> Johnson, if you intent on sharing your workspace between win and linux, I'd strongly not advise to do so.
[09:39:08] <Johnson> it worked fine before
[09:39:40] <Johnson> lemmy so there are no preference settings i can change?
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[09:40:37] <lemmy> Johnson, in a running eclipse instance you can file > switch workspace. But you'll have to copy your default workspace first.
[09:41:22] <Johnson> yeah. i dont want to switch workspace becuase eclipse is kinda slow i'd rather it open the workspace i actually use. thats what im trying to do
[09:41:34] <Johnson> i went to window perspective, and click on ask for workspace but it doesn't so i dunno
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[10:18:03] <bestform> hi
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[10:18:58] <bestform> i've got a problem with the .snap file in my rcp.. it isn't being deleted and a restart takes forever, because it tries to restore the workspace from the snapshot
[10:20:30] <bestform> i had a look at the code of the resources plugin and found, that a full save of the workspace has to be made so that the snapshot is actually being deleted.. when does such a full save occur/do i have to force it somehow?
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[10:30:37] <blun7> how do i check for start of line in eclipse's regular expressions?
[10:30:51] <blun7> it seems like it doesn't support ^
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[10:31:19] <blun7> i'm looking for empty lines and ^$ and ^\n don't work
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[10:33:00] <ech0s7> hello
[10:33:36] <ech0s7> it's possible to associate .cpp files with eclipse, and open with eclipse with double click?
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[10:55:17] <sMeRgOlD> hi, I'm using PDT. Starting a phpDoc is only possible while typing "/*" + Return. How to change this pattern to "/**" + Return? (Two Stars instead one)
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[11:13:12] <ech0s7> it's possible to associate .cpp files with eclipse, and open with eclipse with double click?
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[11:15:43] <pschriner> ech0s7: nope, not yet at least.
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[11:17:14] <ech0s7> pschriner: ok, thanks you
[11:17:39] <ech0s7> so i have first to open eclipse, and later from menu open files ?
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[11:19:43] <dominikg> ech0s7, eclipse is based on a concept called 'projects' that belong to a workspace. So to edit cpp files the eclipse way, yuo'll have to create a c++ project in your workspace and create/edit files in the source directory of that project
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[11:20:13] <pschriner> dominikg: was just going to type something similar :-)
[11:20:15] <dominikg> more about that can be found in the workbench user guide and the c++ development guide under help -> help content
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[11:22:23] <pschriner> in general i'd say it's a comparitively small price you pay for using eclipse - at least it's still file based, and you can edit files with external tools even when using eclipse projects
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[11:26:34] <ech0s7> pschriner: external tools? for exemple?
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[11:28:08] <ecfuser31759> hi every one
[11:28:18] <ech0s7> hi
[11:28:33] <ecfuser31759> Happy New Year
[11:29:18] <dominikg> u2, nice to see that more than 30k people use ecf (:
[11:29:39] <ech0s7> ecf ?
[11:29:42] <ech0s7> what is it?
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[11:30:20] <sMeRgOlD> how to use Code Templates? I've read a lot about how to create or edit new templates. But there is now FAQ, how to use them while typing?
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[11:34:39] <dominikg> ~tell ech0s7 about ecf
[11:34:40] <KOS-MOS> ech0s7: Take a look at the Eclipse Communication Framework - http://www.eclipse.org/ecf/
[11:35:23] <ech0s7> ok
[11:35:27] <ech0s7> thanks
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[11:45:06] <kirkt> is there any built in dialog type that i can just add controls to like i do with the preference page?
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[11:51:06] <numb> Stuff locked up here, so I ended up restarting eclipse, deleted a lock in the workspace .metadatafolder and rested. Now my Run menu is limited to an "External tools" item. Anyone knows how I can get my menu back?
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[12:02:49] <numb> rested = restarted ;)
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[13:44:48] <rcjsuen> kirkt: What are you trying to achieve with the dialog? There's already the JFace dialog.
[13:45:09] <paulweb515> numb: that kind of information is usually stored in the .metadata folder ... you need to restore that folder
[13:45:19] <rcjsuen> numb: try restarting with clean, or point at a fresh workspace
[13:45:23] <rcjsuen> and see if it's there
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[13:45:31] <rcjsuen> paulweb515: well, numb said the lock file was deleted
[13:45:43] <rcjsuen> unless, by "a lock" numb meant "the whole folder"
[13:45:51] <paulweb515> rcjsuen: oh, just deleting the lock file shouldn't hurt anything else
[13:46:04] <rcjsuen> One would like to think anyway. ;)
[13:47:07] <Erik1> in the eclipse text editor, the current line is light grey. The text on the current line is like the text thet is NOT on the current line: black background, colored text. Thaat is annoying to me: I would like the entire current line background to be light grey. How ?
[13:47:44] <rcjsuen> not sure i follow
[13:48:03] <rcjsuen> you talk about the current line colour
[13:48:09] <rcjsuen> and then you talk about the text colour
[13:48:14] <Erik1> this way, the current lint looks 'chopped up'
[13:48:17] <rcjsuen> then you complain about the currnet line's background
[13:48:33] <rcjsuen> could you take a screenshot and provide some concrete examples
[13:49:20] <Erik1> on my current line, only the spaces and tabs are light grey, and the entire line is light grey if there is no text on that current line
[13:49:46] <rcjsuen> I think I see what you're saying.
[13:49:50] <rcjsuen> I don't seem to have that problem.
[13:50:01] <rcjsuen> my background is white, but if i select a line, the whole line is that bg colour
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[13:50:52] <Erik1> rcjsuen: hm... weird....
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[14:05:09] <EskilA> How should I go about to put a tab with at TextEditor in a Forms multi-page editor?
[14:05:45] <rcjsuen> you want tabs in a tab?
[14:07:00] <numb> paulweb515/rcjsuen: Thanks for the tips, the problem was actually that I was in the Resource perspective. Oops.
[14:07:21] <EskilA> basically I want to have a multi-page editor with two different editing modes, one graphical using forms and one displaying the underlying source text
[14:07:46] <rcjsuen> so what's the problem here
[14:07:58] <rcjsuen> use add page to add a texteditor and one page with your own gui
[14:08:40] <EskilA> well, TextEditor is not an IFormPage
[14:09:06] <Erik1> rcjsuen: it has to do with syntax coloring: on the current line, the syntax coloring settings take over. There, I have set the background to black. It overrules the background of the editor current line setting, it appears
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[14:09:58] <rcjsuen> ~api FormEditor
[14:09:58] <KOS-MOS> org.eclipse.ui.forms.editor.FormEditor - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/ui/forms/editor/FormEditor.html
[14:10:15] <rcjsuen> EskilA: there are other addPage methods, you know ^
[14:10:30] <rcjsuen> Erik1: that sounds plausible
[14:12:00] <Erik1> rcjsuen: but then, why would the problem not exist with a white background.....
[14:12:08] <EskilA> there won't be any compatibility issues, mixing forms with editors that are not Forms?
[14:12:32] <rcjsuen> Erik1: beats me
[14:12:36] <rcjsuen> EskilA: Try and find out.
[14:12:49] <EskilA> I'll let you know :)
[14:12:50] <rcjsuen> EskilA: The MANIFEST.MF editor is like that, no? A source tab and other forms?
[14:12:55] <EskilA> true
[14:12:56] <rcjsuen> I don't see why it would.
[14:13:02] <rcjsuen> They are two separate entities.
[14:15:37] <EskilA> TextEditor won't show up
[14:16:14] <rcjsuen> define "won't show up"
[14:16:19] <rcjsuen> errors? does the tab even get created?
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[14:16:31] <EskilA> tab doesn't get created
[14:17:08] <deanc> Howdy folks. I'm using eclipse with the PHP plugin. Code folding works but only on /* syntax comments, class braces, and function braces. I want to make it work for if statements and while/for loops too. Is this possible?
[14:17:09] <rcjsuen> Pastebin your code.
[14:18:48] <EskilA> http://pastebin.com/d3b557a10
[14:19:11] <rcjsuen> EskilA: You know, it might be a good idea to not swallow that PartInitException ;p
[14:19:22] <EskilA> yeah :p
[14:19:29] <rcjsuen> EskilA: Do you have -consoleLog?
[14:20:14] <EskilA> had forgot to set it for this config, going to see if I get something
[14:21:27] <EskilA> Doesn't say anything though
[14:22:04] <rcjsuen> Debug in addPage and see what's wrong then.
[14:23:40] <EskilA> I added handling for the exception, I'm getting "org.eclipse.ui.PartInitException: Text editor does not have a document provider"
[14:25:04] <EskilA> rcjsuen: thanks for the help and patience
[14:25:12] <rcjsuen> EskilA: might want to try setting one then
[14:25:15] <rcjsuen> if you haven't tried that alrdy
[14:25:22] <EskilA> yeah
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[14:27:00] <rcjsuen> Erik1: I recommend you check bugzilla, or file a new bug.
[14:28:41] <Erik1> rcjsuen: I'll check. thnx
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[14:48:34] <thnee> how can i (globally or atleast in texlipse) enable line wrapping?
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[14:50:05] <rcjsuen> thnee: might want to snoop around texlipse's faqs or something
[14:50:07] <feindbild> hi ^^
[14:50:13] <rcjsuen> I presume it's a question that is often asked.
[14:50:15] <rcjsuen> feindbild: Hi
[14:50:28] <thnee> rcjsuen: is there no global setting for all editors?
[14:50:54] <rcjsuen> thnee: No, because there is no word wrap support by default.
[14:51:02] <thnee> thats odd
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[14:52:40] <feindbild> I just had to set the ulimit for open files to 4096 to start eclipse. I always got 'too many files open'. According to /proc freshly started eclipse with not even a project open has 1015 open files. Is there any way to find out what plugin might cause this?
[14:53:40] <rcjsuen> Not easily, I don't think.
[14:53:46] <rcjsuen> ~tell feindbild about info
[14:53:46] <KOS-MOS> feindbild: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
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[14:56:15] <thnee> texlipse had word wrap but then line numbering is broken, as stated in the manual.. too bad :( i really don't like the idea of putting newlines in the source..
[14:57:40] <thnee> i find it really strange that an ide like eclipse don't have word wrap, all editors should have it
[14:59:57] <rcjsuen> thnee: It is how it is.
[15:00:14] <thnee> indeed :P
[15:00:34] <feindbild> rcjsuen: x86 / linux-2.6.23 (Slackware -current) / jdk 1.6.0_02 / Eclipse 3.3.1.1 from eclipse.org (Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers) - pretty much all plugins available through Eclipse installed ...
[15:00:55] <rcjsuen> feindbild: Too many variables.
[15:01:24] <rcjsuen> You could try downloading Eclipse Classic, making a copy of your workspace, and opening that Eclipse on the copied workspace and see what happens.
[15:05:54] <feindbild> rcjsuen: could it be eclipse keeps each and every file it finds under plugins/ open?
[15:06:11] <feindbild> thats what it looks like to me
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[15:16:15] <ecfuser61375> hi
[15:17:03] <rcjsuen> ecfuser61375: Hi
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[15:27:33] <awishformore> hey..I've encountered an issue with CDT an eclipse, and even though I found some related bug reports, it doesn't seem to be the same thing...I simply get no output on the console anymore, not even after the program exited (simple printf used)...I only restarted eclipse since yesterday, and it worked fine then, so I have no clue what's suddenly wrong now :/
[15:28:38] <awishformore> any help would be really appreciated...using latest europa with cdt and cygwin
[15:29:48] <awishformore> can't even get the output of a simple hello world program in the eclipse console ;)
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[15:35:14] <awishformore> ok, figured it out ;) the windoze security update reset the Path variable...gotta love M$
[15:35:53] <deanc> or not :P
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[15:49:05] <ecfuser61375> just testing.......
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[15:51:13] <jk_eclipser> hi
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[16:02:30] <rcjsuen> jk_eclipser: Hi
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[16:10:06] <robot_jesus> sup peeps
[16:10:13] <rcjsuen> robot_jesus: Hi
[16:10:22] <robot_jesus> hey rcjsuen
[16:10:28] <robot_jesus> what are you working on ?
[16:10:44] <rcjsuen> Right now? Nothing in particular.
[16:11:22] <sanguisde1> I just decided to give eclipse a try.  and inatalled it w/ my package manger.  how ever when eve I try and open a file it crashes.  and a whole lot of info is spit out in the error message.  what is relevant info to get help here?
[16:11:53] <rcjsuen> sanguisde1: I suggest you get Eclipse from eclipse.org instead of through your distribution's package management system.
[16:12:02] <rcjsuen> sanguisde1: If you have problems with that package, you need to file bugs to them.
[16:12:38] <robot_jesus> sanguisde1: I had alot of trouble with my debian eclipse, its very easy to install eclipse from eclipse.org and will save you alot of headaches
[16:12:45] <Erik1> aanyone has a source for dictionary files ( eclipse spelling checker) ?
[16:12:50] <sanguisde1> sounds good
[16:12:53] <sanguisde1> tahnx
[16:13:08] <sanguisde1> I am sure I will be back, so I won't leave
[16:13:54] <rcjsuen> sanguisde1: By all means, feel free to stick around.
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[16:16:01] <sanguisde1> I develop mainly php/mysql, and use svn heavily what package should I go for?
[16:16:36] <sanguisde1> I am leaning toward the c package
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[16:16:54] <rcjsuen> You could also try the PDT all-in-one.
[16:17:04] <rcjsuen> But if you are on 64-bit Linux, there are no builds for that.
[16:17:19] <rcjsuen> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/downloads/?release=S20071213-M1
[16:17:27] <rcjsuen> PDT = PHP Development Tools
[16:17:32] <rcjsuen> There is also phpeclipse, another PHP plug-in.
[16:17:38] <robot_jesus> I personally like to get a base eclispe and install what I need, for PHP I like PHPEclipse, 3.3 has a Database Explorer plugin that is nice, and Subclipse is an excellent SVN plugin
[16:18:05] <robot_jesus> Another SQL plugin is QuantumDB, its so-so
[16:18:56] <sanguisde1> robot_jesus: base equals classic? in terms of the  downlaods page.  http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
[16:19:06] <robot_jesus> yes classic
[16:19:32] <rcjsuen> Classic is the SDK.
[16:19:33] <rcjsuen> Not exactly a "base".
[16:20:28] <dominikg> i think the platform runtime binary is as close to 'base' as it gets in terms of the currently available downloads
[16:22:06] <sanguisde1> so like this one would be the better o ne to get? http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.3.1.1-200710231652/index.php
[16:22:19] <dominikg> but for starters wouldn't recommend getting all plugins&dependencies themselves. There are too many chances to fuck up.. getting the closest all-in-one and then getting any additions you might need aswell is easier
[16:22:54] <sanguisde1> ok then I will go w/ the 'classic'
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[16:51:53] <thnee> is it possible to only receive warnings and errors for the currently selected project? it's kinda annoying to see warnings for the program when i am writing the report..
[16:53:57] <timothym> thnee: yep, you can configure the filters for the Problems view
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[17:01:21] <thnee> timothym: and where do i do that?
[17:01:53] <rcjsuen> thnee: drop down menu in 'Problems'
[17:02:11] <rcjsuen> although there's no such thing as the "current" project
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[17:03:29] <timothym> I think setting the filter to 'on any element in same project' is what you want. I think that's as good as it gets.
[17:03:36] <thnee> "On any element in the same project"
[17:03:37] <thnee> uep
[17:03:40] <thnee> yep*
[17:06:52] <thnee> why does eclipse say "The selection cannot be launched, and there are no recent launches" when i click the Run As... button even though i have a launch configuration that works if i run it from the drop-down?
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[17:07:20] <rcjsuen> probably caused by your launching prefs
[17:07:42] <thnee> how so?
[17:08:08] <rcjsuen> how so as in, there is a launching preference that tries to launch the current selection / opened file / whatever
[17:09:20] <thnee> are you saying that it is trying to run a different launch config than the one i run manually from the drop down?
[17:09:28] <rcjsuen> Correct.
[17:09:48] <thnee> not the same launch config with different options?
[17:10:06] <rcjsuen> It could be, regardless, they are not the same.
[17:10:16] <thnee> right
[17:10:26] <thnee> so how do i make it run the right one then?
[17:10:35] <rcjsuen> Change your preferences.
[17:10:41] <thnee> which preferences?
[17:10:53] <rcjsuen> it's in the debug section
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[17:13:33] <jynxzero> Hello #eclipse... is there any way to refresh all projects in a workspace, other than refreshing each project individually?
[17:13:57] <thnee> Launch Operation under Run/debug -> Launching has "Always launch the previously launched application" or "Launch the selected resource or active editor" and under the latter i chose "Launch the previously launched application" if the selected resource or active editor wasn't launchable
[17:14:10] <thnee> what a great sentence!
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[17:14:59] <cachaceiro> Hi, i'd like to set a "persistent property" in a IWorkspace variable. But persistent properties can only be used with IFolders... so how do i solve this problem?
[17:15:18] <thnee> jynxzero: i hate that eclipse doesn't refresh automatically...
[17:15:31] <mauricio> anybody know if there are a way to specify the order in toc
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[17:18:50] <jynxzero> thnee: Yeah, me too.  We have a large number of dependent projects often all need to be in the workspace at the same time and it's a constant frustration
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[17:19:59] <thnee> it seems as eclipse can refresh automcatically
[17:20:29] <thnee> i just searched for refresh in preferences and theres a checkbox under General -> Workspace which is called "Refresh automatically"
[17:20:55] <thnee> but maybe that doesnt apply to projects
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[17:21:33] <jynxzero> thnee: Yeah, I have that checked already, it does seem to happen from time to time.
[17:21:48] <thnee> heh, mkay
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[17:22:35] <jynxzero> But it'd be handy to be able to force it to happen, rather than wait however long to update interval is.
[17:23:11] <thnee> indeed
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[17:27:38] <tunk> o hai.
[17:29:45] <sanguisde1> ok I down load the "classic" package but in the tar there are no insta instructions nore can I find them on the site can any one give me a link
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[17:38:55] <SKuhn> hi, I was just playing around with svnserve and subclipse. First of all, do I need to change the subclipse client to native JavaHL to work properly with  dev-util/subversion-1.4.6 ?
[17:39:42] <sanguisde1> after down loading the classic package do  I just extract it to my usr/lib dir and start using it? or is there more?
[17:40:39] <timothym> sanguisde1: that's pretty much it... start it by executing eclipse... someone should be able to help if you have any more troubles
[17:40:45] <SKuhn> sanguisde1: why don't you extract in in $HOME ?
[17:42:00] <sanguisde1> SKuhn: I would like more then one user to be able to access the program
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[17:45:58] <railbait> What is the term for the comments such as // TODO: and // TASK:? I want to add some others like // REFACTOR: etc
[17:47:01] <railbait> Ah, found that out
[17:47:16] <mauricio> railbait, you can add more in preferences
[17:47:21] <railbait> Window->Preferences->Java->Compiler->Task tags
[17:47:55] <mauricio> right
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[17:48:32] <Saille> hello
[17:48:58] <MarcWeber> Can I open/save files stored on a ftp server using eclipse?
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[17:51:25] <jynxzero> MarcWeber: No idea if there's a way to do it in eclipse, but there are FTP filesystems for Linux, if that's your platform.
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[17:54:18] <SKuhn> who's using subversive here/
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[17:55:33] <feindbild> MarcWeber: curlftpfs
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[18:01:28] <tschona> i have problems with saving the environment variables in the properties dialog? every time i start eclipse again, the properties values are gone.
[18:01:43] <tschona> does anybody has the same problem?
[18:04:02] <tschona> i am working under linux(ubuntu gutsy) with version 3.3.1.1
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[18:05:17] <jynxzero> tschona: Nope, on Debian etch, version Eclipse 3.2.1
[18:06:16] <sanguisdex> there are 2 php environments that I can see for eclipse but the documentations says that running both can case problems.  what would this channel recommend?
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[18:08:34] <jamiejackson> if i want to create an eclipse project for my apache config files (local development machine), what's the best permissions approach?
[18:08:54] <jamiejackson> (I'm on ubuntu, btw)
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[18:26:51] <MarcWeber> jynxzero, feindbild: I'm on linux so that's no problem. I'd like to get a nicer solution for a friend working on windows. I was looking for "Open file xx from ftp"..
[18:28:23] <feindbild> MarcWeber: can't you 'mount' a FTP URL under windows? afaik thats possible ...
[18:28:44] <feindbild> MarcWeber: but then again ... I havent touched that thing in 5 yrs ^^
[18:29:02] <nemo> feindbild: explorer will open ftp:// URLs, yes
[18:29:10] <nemo> kinda like gnome vfs and just as annoying
[18:29:29] <feindbild> can't you asign a drive name to a FTP URL?
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[18:30:52] <nemo> oh. hm
[18:30:58] * nemo bounces outside of vbox for a sec
[18:31:01] <feindbild> http://www.phpeclipse.de/tiki-index.php?page=FTP+and+WebDAV
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[18:31:16] <feindbild> is what google turned up
[18:32:29] <nemo> feindbild: mapping didn't work. pity
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[18:39:38] <rcjsuen> thnee: Not sure if you were being sarcastic about your "great sentence" remark, but if you don't like it, file a bug.
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[18:40:01] <rcjsuen> jynxzero: just select all your projects and hit F5?
[18:40:54] <rcjsuen> SKuhn: Taking a Subversive poll?
[18:41:46] <SKuhn> hi rcjsuen, I've found the solution: I've used the wrong update site :)
[18:41:52] <SKuhn> wrong=old
[18:42:38] <rcjsuen> ~tell MarcWeber about tm
[18:42:38] <KOS-MOS> MarcWeber: Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/
[18:42:57] <jynxzero> rcjsuen: The "Refresh project" item disappears from the context menu if I select multiple projects, and F5 doesn't seem to do anything.
[18:43:52] <rcjsuen> jynxzero: I don't have that problem.
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[18:43:57] <rcjsuen> Select two projects, right-click, Refresh
[18:44:02] <rcjsuen> Select two projects, File > Refresh
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[18:45:30] <rcjsuen> I don't have a "Refresh project" menu item. Not sure what you're talking about. Fallback to File > Refresh if you have to.
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[18:47:23] <jynxzero> Heh, time for an Eclipse upgrade I guess.  I have "File -> Refresh" too but it ghosts out if I select multiple projects.
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[18:49:12] <nemo> say, I tend to do Export->Ear File on a project a lot - is kind of tedious since there appears to be no keyboard shortcut, and the deploy location doesn't default to most recent selection from list
[18:49:20] <nemo> is there any way to ameliorate either?
[18:49:24] <thnee> rcjsuen: ofcourse i was sarcastic, that sentence was horribly long and contained i don't know how many instances of the word 'launch'. also, i did like it, it did the trick, thank you. also, how do you know i wrote that, you weren't here then? :o
[18:49:39] <rcjsuen> thnee: I read something called logs.
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[18:50:03] <thnee> but you were not in the channel?
[18:50:05] <rcjsuen> The sentences look okay to me, but to each his own. File a bug if you want.
[18:50:09] <rcjsuen> No, I wasn't.
[18:50:38] <thnee> rcjsuen: i was talking about _my_ sentence, not the programs
[18:50:58] <rcjsuen> Ah, that.
[18:51:13] <rcjsuen> Didn't look that way.
[18:51:21] <rcjsuen> but whatever
[18:54:28] <thnee> rcjsuen: so you read the logs from a bot, or what?
[18:54:40] <rcjsuen> thnee: The logs are online http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/eclipse/
[18:55:04] <thnee> and really live aswell
[18:55:48] <rcjsuen> thnee: There are also some stats, which are good for laughs at times. http://echelog.matzon.dk/stats/eclipse.html
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[18:57:25] <thnee> i see
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[18:59:59] <MarcWeber> KOS-MOS: Thanks. I'll have a look at it. Sounds like beeing what I need
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[19:19:29] <lnxnt> hi everyone
[19:20:28] <lnxnt> when I run a new eclipse application from my host eclipse I sometimes get hava heap space error. Now I have set -Xms256M -Xmx512M isn't that enought ram space for two eclipse platforms?
[19:20:32] <lnxnt> any ideas?
[19:20:45] <pombreda> MarcWeber: KOS-MOS is a bot :-) it is rcjsuen's bit
[19:21:08] <lnxnt> The error is called: Background Indexer Crash Recovery. Reason: Java heap space
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[19:21:43] <pombreda> lnxnt: how much ram you have on that box?
[19:22:47] <lnxnt> pombreda: 1.25GB
[19:22:48] <pombreda> lnxnt: Xms256M -Xmx512M will apply to both instance, so you will end up getting 256M x 2 used at the minimum, and 1GB if they need all space. + perm gen
[19:23:19] <pombreda> lnxnt: if your os and other processes eat already 250MB then 512MB per instance  may be too much
[19:24:22] <lnxnt> pombreda: so it's a resource conflict. Well then I could just raise the upper or lower bound a bit - which one do you suggest?
[19:25:05] <lnxnt> or maybe I just shut down acrobat ;)
[19:25:30] <pombreda> lnxnt: I would try to lower it 1st
[19:25:33] <lnxnt> 256 for the os and the little things running and 1 Gig for all eclipse stuff, should work out
[19:26:04] <lnxnt> pombreda: why
[19:26:38] <pombreda> lnxnt: becasue you may not need that much, but you are allocated more than you have.
[19:26:45] <pombreda> *allocating
[19:27:11] <lnxnt> pombreda: so I misunderstood you..
[19:28:11] <lnxnt> if they share, each one gets 128M for startup
[19:28:12] <pombreda> in 33 the default is 256m of permgen, -Xms40m and -Xmx256m. Try with the vanilla eclipse.ini with those first
[19:28:19] <pombreda> lnxnt: they DO not share
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[19:28:40] <lnxnt> ah
[19:28:47] <pombreda> lnxnt: java vm params are per vm
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[19:29:02] <pombreda> each insatnce isa  vm, hence gets the default allocation
[19:29:42] <lnxnt> what is perm gen?
[19:29:59] <pombreda> lnxnt: some os/vm do make some optimizations, but in practice that is rare (the macos vm does a bit of permgen sharing afaicr)
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[19:30:30] <pombreda> lnxnt: the space where class files are loaded
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[19:30:42] <pombreda> a bit more than that
[19:30:45] <pombreda> but mostly
[19:31:08] <lnxnt> I see so best to lower both bounds since 1gig + perm gen is too much
[19:31:59] <pombreda> lnxnt: eclipse cannot run with some decent pergen
[19:32:09] <pombreda> and pergen is only used as needed, not preallocated
[19:32:16] <pombreda> *permgen space
[19:34:10] <lnxnt> alright, but why do I run out of heap space if 256 x 2 is in my affordable range ? If I keep 512 x 2 that could be dangerous, so my suggestion is to lower the secound bound.
[19:34:11] <pombreda> lnxnt: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=java+memory+tutorial+permgen+heap+&btnG=Search for more details
[19:34:13] <pombreda> brb
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[19:49:38] <MarcWeber> nemo, feindbild should be easy to test wether I can open ftp:// files within notepad :)
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[19:54:55] <piXelshooter> hi
[19:55:19] <piXelshooter> I've added an external tool. But every time I run it, eclipse starts to build the whole workspace after execution.
[19:55:25] <piXelshooter> Can that be switched off?
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[19:59:14] <bobbytek> is there anyway to change the tab size for the jsp editor ONLY?
[19:59:23] <bobbytek> It seems this setting is linked to all text editors
[19:59:31] <bobbytek> I don't want to effect my java tabs
[20:00:23] <pombreda> piXelshooter: prefs/rundebug/launching
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[20:01:51] <lnxnt> what is the reason there are two file one MANIFEST.MF and one plugin.xml ?
[20:03:45] <pombreda> bobbytek: check the prefs... those are based either on the4 htmlo or xml editor dependeing on which style of jsp you use
[20:04:01] <pombreda> lnxnt: historical reason
[20:04:09] <pombreda> 1st there was only plugin.xml
[20:04:28] <pombreda> then with the switch ot osgi the core plugin stuffs moved to the manifest.mf
[20:04:38] <pombreda> but declartive extensions stayed in pluginb.xml
[20:04:56] <piXelshooter> pombreda: I did not find any option.
[20:05:12] <piXelshooter> It's an external tool
[20:05:23] <pombreda> piXelshooter: presf/web and xml/html files/source
[20:05:38] <pombreda> oops that was for bobbytek :-D
[20:05:42] <piXelshooter> xD^^
[20:05:44] * pombreda shoudl wake up
[20:06:10] <dominikg> hehe pombreda, back in canada?
[20:06:12] <piXelshooter> well, the program modifies the makefile of a cdt project
[20:06:28] <piXelshooter> may that be a reason for eclipse/cdt to re-build the project?
[20:06:57] <pombreda> piXelshooter: prefs->run/debug->launching ->general group -> build if required before launching...
[20:07:18] <pombreda> but if you modify a make file, for usre cdt will try to rebuild, i would saay
[20:07:25] <dominikg> piXelshooter, if that makefile is part of the projects regular build, i'd guess so...
[20:07:31] <pombreda> *for sure
[20:07:53] <bobbytek> pombreda: there is no setting in the html pref for tab width, only spaces width
[20:08:02] <bobbytek> spaces size isn't used for tabs
[20:08:14] <bobbytek> Man, the jsp editor is kinda outdated
[20:08:24] <bobbytek> The formatting support is unpredictable too
[20:08:30] <lnxnt> ok
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[20:08:53] <bobbytek> It just reamoves all the whitespace or randomly moves things and adds whitespace
[20:10:00] <piXelshooter> well, is it possible to switch that behaviour off?
[20:10:57] <pombreda> bobbytek: you could ping nitind on that: he is the core dev there :-)
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[20:11:08] <pombreda> bobbytek: which version do you run?
[20:11:32] <pombreda> piXelshooter: dunno, I do not have it installed there, but you could turn off auto build entirely
[20:11:36] <bobbytek> 3.3.1 I believe
[20:11:52] <bobbytek> sory, 3.3.0
[20:12:28] <bobbytek> I'm waiting for the BEA Jsp Editor plugin to upgrade to 3.3
[20:12:33] <bobbytek> That is a very nice plugin
[20:15:18] <pombreda> :-)
[20:15:20] <pombreda> true
[20:15:25] <piXelshooter> pombreda: autobuild IS switched off, that is why I don't understand it
[20:16:40] <pombreda> piXelshooter: is the setting I pointed you to switched off too ?
[20:18:28] <piXelshooter> yes
[20:18:50] <piXelshooter> uuh? I opened the settings dialog again and only pressed ok. now it works.
[20:18:53] <piXelshooter> okay, thanks!
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[20:27:47] <NetEffect> is there a keystroke to save all open windows?
[20:27:57] <NetEffect> hehe got it :)
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[20:51:01] <lnxnt> what is the difference between feature and plugin?
[20:52:03] <swombat> hello... I'm using FlexBuilder (which is Eclipse 3.2 - updated to 3.2.2 ... First of all, I'm wondering why, after I updated eclipse, various "field assist techniques" and other "read me trim" artefacts have appeared in my eclipse interface...?
[20:53:19] <swombat> Secondly, I'm a bit stuck with Subclipse. I installed it and set up the repositories in the SVN explorer view, but my projects which are on svn still show .svn directories explicitly... how do i tell eclipse that those are svn-controlled directories?
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[21:00:12] <eljimbo> can anyone point me to the eclipse cdt room?
[21:01:01] <swombat> btw, I've fixed the second issue
[21:01:10] <swombat> still wondering about those "Field Assist" artefacts
[21:01:13] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: Feature is a collection of plug-ins.
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[21:01:22] <rcjsuen> eljimbo: No such thing. Ask your questions here or ask on the CDT newsgroup.
[21:01:49] <eljimbo> I am having trouble including the math libraries in gcc
[21:02:22] <eljimbo> anyone have an experience?
[21:02:33] <rcjsuen> eljimbo: "trouble" is rather vague.
[21:02:46] <eljimbo> i understand how to do it on the command line, gcc -lm ....
[21:03:03] <eljimbo> but I dont know how to set that in the C++ compiler options within the CDT preferences
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[21:25:06] <eljimbo> if anyone was wondering, you include it into the toolchaim -> linker -> m
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[21:32:08] <rcjsuen> eljimbo: Thank you for sharing the solution.
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[21:53:13] <CasTiger> hello a total noob q. i want to create a gui frontend to a database with multiple forms whats the best approach and anyone recomend a tutorial for a noob to eclipse
[21:54:00] <dominikg> CasTiger, did you start with some tutorials on gui building jet? Also, did you decide if you want to do it in swing or swt?
[21:54:46] <CasTiger> not at that stage yet just doin groundwork
[21:55:04] <CasTiger> i have build a crud as a test
[21:56:37] <rcjsuen> Crud?
[21:56:45] <kirkt> CRUD
[21:57:03] <kirkt> create/update/delete
[21:58:47] <CasTiger> but i am just leanring java and using this to do so cant decide on eclipse or netbeans tbh
[21:59:03] <kirkt> surely, eclipse.
[21:59:17] <rcjsuen> CasTiger: You'd have to try both to see for yourself.
[21:59:44] <CasTiger> i hope so its much nicer but is there a gui builder thats oss and good
[21:59:52] <CasTiger> as in free to use
[22:00:08] <CasTiger> i have fedora and has none installed
[22:01:02] <dominikg> jigloo is free for non-commercial use iirc, can't comment on its current quality tho. I used it once (years ago) and it was usable
[22:01:28] <CasTiger> dominikg: so do you hardcode all your guis
[22:01:38] <rcjsuen> CasTiger: I do.
[22:01:39] <dominikg> but again, i think for learning purposes its important to hand-craft your gui's
[22:02:15] <dominikg> i don't do gui development anymore, and when i did, i did most of it without the help of a gui editor
[22:02:52] <CasTiger> thats prob true as i learned vb.net in visual stuidio i can build some fab stuff but tbh dont understand all thats goin on
[22:03:39] <kirkt> winforms isn't like building java guis
[22:03:45] <CasTiger> ok so a begginer intro to eclipse is needed anyone got a link
[22:03:48] <dominikg> you won't find a gui editor for java thats en-par with vb
[22:04:21] <kirkt> NB's gui editor is the closest though
[22:04:55] <CasTiger> i dont want to i need to learn from ground up i think
[22:06:36] <kirkt> CasTiger: you can try the swing java trail (google that) to grasp some of the core concepts
[22:07:12] <CasTiger> cheers
[22:07:17] <CasTiger> back later
[22:07:18] <kirkt> CasTiger: then move up to using netbeans. when you've come to like hardcoding your GUIs use eclipse.
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[22:16:28] <kirkt> rcjsuen: any tips on developing own opensource projects? i'm having trouble staying in focus and planning my next tasks.
[22:16:47] <rcjsuen> not really, i have the same problem
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[22:20:04] <kirkt> im certain there are some common practices of software engineering dealing with streamlining a project's path
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[22:27:17] <robot_jesus> anyone used eclipse to generate the ant build.xml file with junit ?  I see a target for every TestCase, but there doesn't seem to be a 'build all TestCases' target
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[22:31:59] <bobbytek> I found out my problem with formatting jsps... it's actually not a .jsp issue... it's a .tag issue
[22:32:27] <bobbytek> Is there a way around this? Basically I want the same editor behavior for .tag files as .jsp files
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[23:00:15] <WebPrag\work> r...... so
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[23:02:59] <rcjsuen> ?
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[23:31:29] <sanguisde1> every time I click on a file tab a open file dialog opens up
[23:31:38] <sanguisde1> is there a way to stop that?
[23:32:27] <rcjsuen> Eh?
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[23:42:04] <MarcWeber> rcjsuen: Target Management requires CDT (thus C/C++ dev environment) , right? That's a little bit much just to get ftp support
[23:42:47] <rcjsuen> No it doesn't.
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[23:45:22] <MarcWeber> rcjsuen: Thanks. I can disable the C/C++ feature
[23:45:42] <rcjsuen> MarcWeber: People seem to get that problem a lot.
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