[00:00:07] *** bradc has quit IRC
[00:03:08] *** chillmann has quit IRC
[00:03:44] <jimcan> hey everyone, I am trying to get the outline view to work when comparing two files (i.e. through org.eclipse.compare) but nothing is displayed
[00:04:06] <jimcan> is there something special I need to do to get this work?
[00:05:19] <rcjsuen_> Perhaps the first question is
[00:05:22] <rcjsuen_> jimcan: what did you try doing
[00:05:38] <rcjsuen_> Did you tinker with everyone's good friend, getAdapter?
[00:06:08] *** rcjsuen_ is now known as rcjsuen
[00:06:33] <jimcan> I'm just comparing 2 files...I followed the tutorial I found on eclipse FAQ
[00:06:50] <jimcan> I haven't touch getAdapter, I can't find anywhere that says I need to
[00:06:56] <rcjsuen> How odd.
[00:07:00] <rcjsuen> Where is this tutorial
[00:07:03] <jimcan> the outline view just goes white with no data
[00:07:32] <jimcan> http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/FAQ_How_do_I_create_a_compare_editor%3F
[00:08:04] <rcjsuen> But the tutorial never mentions "outline".
[00:08:22] <rcjsuen> Did you expect the outline view to magically know how to populate itself?
[00:08:56] <jimcan> yes...according to the "what's new in 3.3" it should be linked already to the compare editor
[00:09:13] <rcjsuen> this compare editor article is rather old
[00:09:19] <rcjsuen> Perhaps the two are not the same.
[00:10:23] <jimcan> that's understandable...is there some other place where you know this stuff is implemented that I can take a look at?
[00:10:28] *** crackhead_ has left #eclipse
[00:10:38] <rcjsuen> Did you mean "You can now view the structure pane of a compare editor in the Outline view. To enable this, go to the General > Compare/Patch preference page and check Show structure compare in Outline view when possible. Selecting structure elements in the Outline view will scroll the content pane in the Compare editor to reveal the change in the selected element."
[00:10:59] <jimcan> yup, that's what I mean
[00:11:03] <jimcan> and I did enable it
[00:11:10] <rcjsuen> Does the Outline show up for other compare editors?
[00:11:23] <rcjsuen> "Show structure compare in Outline view when possible"
[00:11:24] <rcjsuen> _when possible_
[00:11:27] <rcjsuen> are some keywords
[00:11:32] <rcjsuen> I guess in your case it is "not possible".
[00:11:34] <rcjsuen> ~tell jimcan about dev-faq
[00:11:35] <KOS-MOS> jimcan: Trying to write Eclipse plug-ins and don't know how to proceed? Take a look at this FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Plug-in_Development_FAQ
[00:15:58] *** dominikg has quit IRC
[00:19:03] *** LionKMP has joined #eclipse
[00:19:15] *** scorphus_ has joined #eclipse
[00:19:25] <LionKMP> Hi! Can I let eclipse show long lines in multilines? (like vi) ?
[00:19:40] *** scorphus has quit IRC
[00:20:48] <rcjsuen> LionKMP: You mean word wrap?
[00:21:14] <LionKMP> well, not creating new lines, but show long lines as multiple, and no horizontal scroll.
[00:21:49] <rcjsuen> No such support is provided with Eclipse OOTB.
[00:22:16] *** whizter_ has quit IRC
[00:22:48] <LionKMP> hm,ok. I'll break my long lines then. still better than scrolling. :-) (kdevelop did that breaking, and grayed out secondary indents)
[00:23:14] <rcjsuen> If you have a formatter it should break the lines for you when you format.
[00:23:14] *** co2 has quit IRC
[00:23:41] <LionKMP> thanks anyway. Eclipse (pdt) looks really great (after 1 day).
[00:23:52] <LionKMP> ok, I won't format code yet, maybe later.
[00:33:07] <jamiejackson> LionKMP: i've got a plugin that hacks the linebreaks
[00:33:36] *** eelriver has quit IRC
[00:33:36] <LionKMP> like vi?
[00:34:00] <jamiejackson> rather, wordwrap http://ahtik.com/eclipse-update/
[00:34:40] <jamiejackson> i don't remember the shortcomings at the moment
[00:34:51] *** acuster has quit IRC
[00:35:32] <LionKMP> hehe, looks quite experimental. thanks, I am eclipse beginner,  I'll stay with stable things for now.
[00:36:02] <LionKMP> I had some lines disappearing already, then I reopened the file and disabled quick diff (in hope it was due to that)
[00:36:35] <LionKMP> bookmarked your plugin, will check back.
[00:36:42] <jamiejackson> you can compare/replace with history too. don't know if you knew about that feature
[00:38:00] <LionKMP> will try, thanks. a lot more to learn. :)
[00:39:13] *** fzlogik has quit IRC
[00:40:03] *** fzlogik has joined #eclipse
[00:59:30] *** jamiejackson has quit IRC
[01:01:57] *** Carnage` has joined #eclipse
[01:01:57] *** Carnage\ has quit IRC
[01:02:08] *** Carnage` is now known as Carnage\
[01:03:25] *** rahul_ has joined #eclipse
[01:04:19] <LionKMP> I cannot find a "project file". Eclipse opens my project automatically, but what wil happen if I start another project?
[01:04:40] <LionKMP> my project is not in the workspaces dir. (still no project file in workspaces either project dir)
[01:04:56] <LionKMP> where is it? :)
[01:05:27] <LionKMP> close project menu is not active.
[01:05:48] <LionKMP> When trying to create the same PHP project again, it says, it already exists.
[01:08:32] <LionKMP> sry, I quit, too sleepy :) thanks all!
[01:08:50] *** LionKMP has quit IRC
[01:11:37] *** amnesic has joined #eclipse
[01:11:50] *** ekiczek has quit IRC
[01:12:09] *** Goulutor has quit IRC
[01:12:21] *** amnesic has quit IRC
[01:16:37] *** amitev has quit IRC
[01:27:27] *** scorphus_ has quit IRC
[01:32:32] *** conan has quit IRC
[01:34:47] *** Luciano has joined #eclipse
[01:38:43] *** hal1 has joined #eclipse
[01:39:09] *** pombreda has quit IRC
[01:42:08] *** shoan has quit IRC
[01:46:00] *** Luciano has quit IRC
[01:55:15] *** soulreaper has quit IRC
[01:56:12] *** scorphus has joined #eclipse
[01:56:20] *** hal1 has quit IRC
[01:56:39] *** fzlogik has quit IRC
[01:59:04] *** Carnage` has joined #eclipse
[01:59:05] *** Carnage\ has quit IRC
[01:59:24] *** Carnage` is now known as Carnage\
[02:02:46] *** psst has quit IRC
[02:04:00] *** mindCrime has joined #eclipse
[02:07:46] *** ecfuser66988 has joined #eclipse
[02:08:36] *** ecfuser66988 has quit IRC
[02:09:04] *** nerdboy|off is now known as nerdboy
[02:20:19] *** notgod has joined #eclipse
[02:21:32] <notgod> hello. :) I am trying to figure out how to get a project to automatically build a .jar file for inclusion into other projects (as a dependency). I do not want to have to keep exporting the project. Is there an easy way to do this? This jar file will be used actoss projects.
[02:27:46] *** atomi- has joined #eclipse
[02:29:48] <rcjsuen> You could setup a builder I suppose.
[02:30:09] <rcjsuen> But I just reference the projects from within Eclipse and then build real jars when I need to.
[02:31:16] <notgod> rcjsuen: yeah, that mostly makes sense... but I tried adding a builder, but I didn't see one that created jar files.
[02:36:39] *** merlin2049er has joined #eclipse
[02:36:48] <rcjsuen> notgod: You need to use your own mechanism, such as Ant.
[02:44:07] *** ekuleshov_ has joined #eclipse
[02:44:28] <notgod> rcjsuen: yesh, seems to be the case. thanks :)
[02:49:40] *** merlin2049er has quit IRC
[02:50:40] *** notgod has quit IRC
[02:51:13] <Dewi> hmm
[02:51:18] <Dewi> I'm addicted to vim's name completion
[02:51:41] <Dewi> where it will let you just complete any name in any  file that's loaded; regardless of any parsing
[02:52:14] <Dewi> anyone know if eclipse can be taught to do something like that?
[02:52:36] *** KarlThePagan has quit IRC
[02:54:19] *** zx|cafe has joined #eclipse
[02:58:01] <zx|cafe> howdy
[03:01:24] *** ekuleshov has quit IRC
[03:02:34] <rcjsuen> Dewi: Not OOTB. You'd need to write your own plug-in I guess.
[03:07:26] <Dewi> rcjsuen: aha! alt-/
[03:07:55] <Dewi> apparently it's called "hippie completion" from its name in emacs
[03:09:09] *** ekuleshov_ has quit IRC
[03:09:12] <zx|cafe> yap, that was done around 3.3
[03:09:15] <zx|cafe> or 3.2 eh
[03:09:31] *** ekiczek has joined #eclipse
[03:10:42] <rcjsuen> so that's what that is
[03:11:47] <zx|cafe> ya, crazy emacs people
[03:12:32] <Dewi> nobody seems to agree on what keys to use... it's ctrl-n/p in vim and ctrl-k/y in netbeans
[03:12:51] <zx|cafe> ya, pot meet kettle ;p
[03:13:00] <Dewi> but I'm glad it's there; I might just hold off on installing aptana
[03:13:30] <Dewi> PDT's parsers are pretty basic but with vim-like completion they are probably enough
[03:13:37] <Dewi> s/PDT/WST/
[03:20:38] <zx|cafe> ya, hopefully PDT gets better and better
[03:20:50] <zx|cafe> The Aptana guys pissed me off with their bait switch license thing
[03:21:00] *** nmatrix9 has quit IRC
[03:21:22] <rcjsuen> You could also try phpeclipse.
[03:22:32] *** scorphus has quit IRC
[03:33:00] <elad`> How do I get the current time?
[03:33:08] <elad`> oops, wrong channel
[03:37:01] *** ekuleshov has joined #eclipse
[03:37:31] <ekuleshov> hi
[03:37:32] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: You wrote some of the ASM stuff :)?
[03:37:59] <ekuleshov> zx: by strange coincidence, yes, I did. why? :-)
[03:38:19] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: I was working on adding it to Orbit and saw your name in the source and wondered if there was another Eugene
[03:38:26] <ekuleshov> folks, does anyone know some kind of generic way to invoke registered action by its id?
[03:38:29] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: It's being used by PDE (API Tools) to generate class stubs
[03:39:07] *** Ramosa has joined #eclipse
[03:39:45] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: he he. then you owe me an entry for ASM's users page at http://asm.objectweb.org/users.html :-)
[03:40:03] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: once the baby graduates, it's coming along
[03:41:34] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: there is actually issue in ASM's bug tracker (assigned to me) about adding osgi stuff into the asm jars. you may as well send your orbit stuff to me or attach up there and I'll put it in. http://forge.objectweb.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=306812&group_id=23&atid=350023
[03:41:50] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: btw, which package you are using?
[03:41:57] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: cool, should be another day or two for the IP approval
[03:42:07] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: 3.1
[03:43:34] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: I guess I should have asked which jars. asm-all-3.1.jar or several individual ones?
[03:44:10] <zx|cafe> asm.jar / asm-tree.jar I believe
[03:44:18] * zx|cafe thinks that's what it is
[03:44:47] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: wau! what do you need "tree" for? :-)
[03:45:17] <zx|cafe> not sure, I'll ask Olivier, I'm just code reviewing the stuff they have been working on
[03:45:26] <zx|cafe> It will be an API Tooling New Year in PDE for 3.4M5
[03:47:15] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: I mean tree is usually only needed for some hardcore method analysis. for method and class interdependencies core (and maybe commons) is usually enough. btw, I wrore an article about that while ago, but in ASM 3.1 dependency collection came down to few lines of code...
[03:47:56] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: I know right now the guys are using ASM 3.0 so if that was missing something 3.1 has, I don't know
[03:48:07] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: maybe you can look at their usage of ASM when the code is ready to give any pointers
[03:48:27] <zx|cafe> The tooling is quite nice. Eclipse tells me with error markers when I break API from a baseline (ie., 3.3) :)
[03:48:48] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: sure. give me the VCS location or PSF
[03:49:17] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: btw, your image viewer/editor contribution. I think the code should be in a separate plug-in
[03:49:25] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: my example was generating something like this http://asm.objectweb.org/images/ant.1.6.5.gif
[03:50:27] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: I wouldn't mind that. Tod suggested to put it in either ide or workbench. then mik's jumped in with his confusing comment about web browser...
[03:51:50] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: I see people maybe just wanting the simple editor/viewer in their RCP apps and not bringing necessarily everything
[03:52:48] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: I don't see why not. though my use case was to get image viewer in the ide.
[03:53:11] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: If I could have something that could view images and crop them
[03:53:22] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: I'd save a ton of time by not having to leave Eclipse ;)
[03:59:06] <zx|cafe> man, that would be the most useful thing since Mylyn for me
[03:59:58] *** merlin2049er has joined #eclipse
[04:00:02] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: I am with you on that. and it should be easy to implement too.
[04:00:17] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: so, what about the PDE code?
[04:01:55] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: one sec, pastebin'ng on my 56k internet conx ;p
[04:03:03] <zx|cafe> http://pastebin.com/d14d4f576
[04:03:18] *** merlin2049er has quit IRC
[04:03:37] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: It still needs UI polish but that's what the PDE UI team is for
[04:03:56] <zx|cafe> never trust the French to do UI
[04:05:09] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: thnx. btw, rafb.net/paste is less noisy then pastebean. just my imho
[04:05:12] <zx|cafe> They are good at Java compilers though :D
[04:05:23] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: ok, I'm a pastebin noob
[04:07:41] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: yea, compiler stuff is really impressive
[04:12:20] *** merlin2049er has joined #eclipse
[04:13:29] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: hmm. can you introduce me to those guys? I'd like to ask some clarification about that stuff. :-)
[04:13:55] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: The guys are from Manitoba where it's cold and flat
[04:14:17] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: We'll have a PDE call next week if you want to jump on and chat
[04:14:20] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: you see some errors?
[04:15:48] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: not errors, but I think some stuff can be made simpler. and also I would advice to use annotations instead of custom attributes. former are easier to read and see. unless they really, really want to save some space.
[04:16:30] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: k, how about I make time on the next PDE call (Tuesday) or you can send an email to the pde-dev list with suggestions. Your choice :)
[04:17:37] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: also thing like ClearCodeAttributeMethodAdapter doesn't make sense. you just return null
[04:18:00] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: what time on tuesday?
[04:18:33] *** shoan has joined #eclipse
[04:18:38] *** merlin2049er has quit IRC
[04:18:46] <zx|cafe> ekuleshov: 2:15 EST
[04:20:27] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: right after mylyn call. I think I can make it it it would help. otherwise I can just send my observations to the mailing list
[04:23:40] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: apparently they are not using tree package. at least not from what is in that code
[04:24:15] *** Ramosa has quit IRC
[04:24:21] <ekuleshov> ops. missed it on first glance.
[04:27:42] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: they are using tree, but that can be removed (will improve performance/memory too)
[04:27:53] *** zx|cafe_ has joined #eclipse
[04:28:19] *** merlin2049er has joined #eclipse
[04:38:04] *** elad` has quit IRC
[04:41:10] <zx|cafe_> ekuleshov: it drives me nuts that mylyn closes all editors on the deactivation of a task ;p
[04:41:44] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: why do you need to deactivate task if you still need your editors?
[04:41:53] <zx|cafe_> It should close everything that's not a mylyn task, but that's just me!
[04:42:28] <ekuleshov> zx|cafe: what do you mean by not mylyn task?
[04:43:31] <zx|cafe_> oh no battery life
[04:43:32] *** zx|cafe_ has quit IRC
[04:43:49] *** mrsolo has quit IRC
[04:44:34] *** merlin2049er has quit IRC
[04:44:47] *** conan has joined #eclipse
[04:44:52] *** dohtem has joined #eclipse
[04:45:43] *** zx|cafe has quit IRC
[04:48:05] *** pombreda has joined #eclipse
[04:49:17] *** ekiczek has quit IRC
[05:01:54] *** merlin2049er has joined #eclipse
[05:09:20] *** merlin2049er has quit IRC
[05:16:31] *** rahul_ has quit IRC
[05:17:07] *** metafollic has quit IRC
[05:18:12] *** metafollic has joined #eclipse
[05:18:36] *** derjohn has quit IRC
[05:19:10] *** derjohn has joined #eclipse
[05:23:56] *** eelriver has joined #eclipse
[05:42:39] *** shoan_ has joined #eclipse
[05:44:02] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC
[06:00:24] *** dan2 has quit IRC
[06:00:31] *** shoan has quit IRC
[06:01:13] *** dan2 has joined #eclipse
[06:11:56] *** dohtem has quit IRC
[06:19:00] *** webPragmatist has quit IRC
[06:30:31] *** rahul_ has joined #eclipse
[06:32:20] *** omry has quit IRC
[06:33:03] *** omry has joined #eclipse
[06:37:13] *** conan has quit IRC
[06:37:25] *** conan has joined #eclipse
[06:42:18] *** geoaxis has quit IRC
[06:56:33] *** kjkoster5489 has quit IRC
[07:07:35] *** geoaxis has joined #eclipse
[07:28:56] *** vwegert has joined #eclipse
[07:40:29] *** Rhe has joined #eclipse
[07:40:40] *** Carnage\ has quit IRC
[07:43:16] *** Guest_762 has joined #eclipse
[07:44:51] <Guest_762> how do you use that Xdcc?
[07:45:26] <Rhe> xdcc? here?
[07:45:30] <Rhe> !list
[07:45:31] <KOS-MOS> Check out the list of available messages and commands I provide - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/messages.html - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/commands.html
[07:45:39] <Guest_762> !list
[07:45:40] <KOS-MOS> Check out the list of available messages and commands I provide - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/messages.html - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/commands.html
[07:47:16] <Rhe> !cmd
[07:47:16] <KOS-MOS> Check out the list of available commands I provide - http://ecf.eclipse.org/~rcjsuen/messages.html
[07:47:59] <Rhe> !g eclipse
[07:47:59] <KOS-MOS> Try googling - http://google.com/search?q=eclipse
[07:48:08] <Rhe> !g eclipse+ide
[07:48:09] <KOS-MOS> Try googling - http://google.com/search?q=eclipse+ide
[07:49:00] *** Guest_762 has left #eclipse
[07:49:30] *** shoan_ is now known as shoan
[08:02:56] *** Aleph_One has joined #eclipse
[08:04:44] *** DPAK0H has quit IRC
[08:05:09] *** DPAK0H has joined #eclipse
[08:11:43] *** asac_ has joined #eclipse
[08:12:43] *** xushi has joined #eclipse
[08:23:44] *** asac has quit IRC
[08:23:45] *** asac_ is now known as asac
[08:27:54] *** KarlThePagan has joined #eclipse
[08:29:58] <Rhe> hi there
[08:30:07] <Rhe> can anyone help me with a noobish question?
[08:41:28] *** shoan_ has joined #eclipse
[08:41:56] *** co2 has joined #eclipse
[08:51:47] *** mhaller has quit IRC
[08:58:26] *** soulreaper has joined #eclipse
[08:59:30] *** shoan has quit IRC
[09:02:41] *** conan has quit IRC
[09:05:29] *** conan has joined #eclipse
[09:09:45] *** shoan_ has quit IRC
[09:10:43] *** Bastiaan has joined #eclipse
[09:11:48] *** danielkoch has joined #eclipse
[09:18:04] *** FauxFaux has quit IRC
[09:18:32] *** xushi has quit IRC
[09:19:46] *** KarlThePagan has quit IRC
[09:21:05] *** Tortoose has joined #eclipse
[09:22:47] *** xushi has joined #eclipse
[09:23:09] *** FauxFaux has joined #eclipse
[09:24:41] *** arkub has joined #eclipse
[09:24:44] *** HenryRT has joined #eclipse
[09:25:18] *** nerdboy is now known as nerdboy|off
[09:45:15] *** denisr has joined #eclipse
[09:47:59] <tkotisis> has anyone used SWT StyledText wrapping?
[09:51:09] <tkotisis> i have a StyledText widget as a property in a TabbedPropertyView
[09:53:28] *** Nescafe has joined #Eclipse
[09:54:17] <tkotisis> but when i set its text
[09:54:31] <tkotisis> 1) if i don't specify a width hint
[09:54:39] <tkotisis> i have no wrapping
[09:54:52] <tkotisis> 2) if i do i have wrapping at width hint
[09:56:04] <tkotisis> but what i want is for the StyledText to use the property views
[09:57:11] <tkotisis> *but what i want is for the StyledText to use the property views' borders (so any space it can get) and i9t's text to wrap accordingly
[10:02:35] *** rahul_ has quit IRC
[10:17:29] *** fzlogik has joined #eclipse
[10:20:51] *** HenryRT has quit IRC
[10:24:30] *** pfn_ has joined #eclipse
[10:25:11] *** acuster has joined #eclipse
[10:30:14] *** pfn has quit IRC
[10:32:58] *** oisin has joined #eclipse
[10:35:12] *** z4z4 has joined #eclipse
[10:53:05] *** seanh has joined #eclipse
[10:54:15] <pombreda> tkotisis: ask Ahtik when he is around.
[10:56:09] <pombreda> tkotisis: chek also what he did, the source may be able to give you some hints: http://ahtik.com/blog/eclipse-word-wrap/ and http://eclipse-incub.cvs.sourceforge.net/eclipse-incub/
[10:57:04] *** edawg has joined #eclipse
[10:57:31] <edawg> anyone available for some Eclipse help? My ant does not seem to work....
[10:59:24] *** oisin has left #eclipse
[11:00:55] *** HenryRT has joined #eclipse
[11:03:11] *** dominikg has joined #eclipse
[11:04:46] *** shoan has joined #eclipse
[11:10:28] <pombreda> edawg: just ask the question :-P
[11:10:30] *** holmse has quit IRC
[11:11:29] <pombreda> Rhe: just ask your question, or none would know what is your problem.
[11:12:26] <pombreda> in general, it is better to just ask the question, rather than to ask to ask... meta questions are rarely answered ... and being more direct keeps the channel clutter low :-)
[11:16:52] <njbartlett> pombreda: Except... you did answer the metaquestion :-)
[11:17:08] *** jk_eclipser has joined #eclipse
[11:17:11] <jk_eclipser> hi
[11:17:18] <pombreda> njbartlett: you have to educate the noobs a bit ;-)
[11:17:32] <pombreda> njbartlett: happy new year dude :-)
[11:17:53] <njbartlett> pombreda: Happy New Year to you too
[11:18:02] <jk_eclipser> happy new year
[11:18:07] <pombreda> njbartlett: you are sleepless indeed :-)
[11:18:13] <pombreda> njbartlett: or you just woke up?
[11:18:19] <njbartlett> pombreda: Nope, I'm in England
[11:18:22] <pombreda> jk_eclipser: happy new year too :-P
[11:18:25] <pombreda> haha
[11:18:30] <pombreda> njbartlett: always?
[11:18:33] <pombreda> or just now?
[11:18:48] <njbartlett> pombreda: You're in Ottawa? It must 5:20AM there right?
[11:19:05] <njbartlett> Yeah I live in London. Except when I'm in Japan, which is also quite a lot :-)
[11:19:09] <pombreda> njbartlett: nah, I am in France atm in vacations. I am based in Californiw
[11:19:21] <pombreda> *California :-P
[11:19:28] <njbartlett> pombreda: Oh I see. I figured you as a Quebecois
[11:19:40] <pombreda> njbartlett: :-D
[11:19:54] <pombreda> I could be, but no, just a regular french bastard
[11:20:19] <njbartlett> So how many of your numerous EclipseCon submissions got through? ;-)
[11:20:32] <pombreda> njbartlett: way too many
[11:20:33] <njbartlett> jk_eclipser: Happy New Year!
[11:21:00] <njbartlett> Yeah I also got roped into more than I expected
[11:21:03] <pombreda> njbartlett: now I am recruiting elves to give the talks :-D
[11:21:34] <edawg> I have a question please. When I try to add a build.xml to my ant view i get 'java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/tools/ant/Main'. What should I check for in this case? As far as I can tell all the ant jars are available to eclipse.....
[11:21:55] <jk_eclipser> njbartlett thanks you too! :)
[11:22:08] <edawg> the error comes and says it happens when invoking 'plug-in: "org.eclipse.jface".'
[11:22:25] <pombreda> edawg: paste a log
[11:22:32] <pombreda> ~logs
[11:22:32] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[11:22:44] <pombreda> ~pastebin
[11:22:45] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[11:24:33] <edawg> ty. Here is my log: http://rafb.net/p/PXEuv613.html
[11:24:48] *** seanh has quit IRC
[11:26:18] <pombreda> edawg: this is not a complete log
[11:26:35] <pombreda> edawg: give us more :-P
[11:27:29] <edawg> ok. But I cleared out the log right before I caused the error to happen. Want me to restart eclipse and then do it and give you the whole log from there?
[11:27:34] <edawg> Here is just the error's log... http://rafb.net/p/8wsuRw12.html
[11:29:00] <pombreda> edawg: not enough: cleat the log, restart eclipse, and paste a full log
[11:29:05] <pombreda> the .log file content
[11:29:14] <edawg> ok. here it is after a restart: http://rafb.net/p/fR3LhG35.html
[11:30:03] <pombreda> edawg: try to start with eclipse -clean from the command line , just in case
[11:30:06] <pombreda> and repast the log
[11:30:40] <edawg> should I run it as root?
[11:30:52] <pombreda> edawg: no
[11:31:01] <pombreda> edawg: you are running eclipse 3.2.2 ?
[11:31:07] *** jmatt has joined #eclipse
[11:31:24] <edawg> looks about the same: http://rafb.net/p/ehtJ6o11.html
[11:31:49] <edawg> yeah, 3.2.2 it came with my OS as a package (Ubuntu 7.10)
[11:33:29] <pombreda> edawg: can you type: which java ?
[11:33:47] <edawg> I swear it is. Maybe I need to crank up my error levels in the preferences?
[11:33:59] <edawg> ah, sorry... bad message, hang on...
[11:35:01] <edawg> when I do 'which java' it goes to a symbolic link that goes to another symbolic link that finally rests at:  /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[11:36:03] <pombreda> edawg: and java -version
[11:37:00] <edawg> http://pastebin.com/d7e485be0
[11:37:44] *** danielkoch has quit IRC
[11:38:34] <pombreda> edawg: I am dry on that one. Just in case, I would try to get the latest eclipse from eclipse itself.
[11:38:42] <pombreda> ~download
[11:38:46] <pombreda> ~downloads
[11:38:47] <KOS-MOS> Looking for a specific Eclipse version? - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_can_I_get_Eclipse.3F - http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/ - http://archive.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[11:39:06] <pombreda> edawg: take eclipse classic 3311
[11:39:14] <dominikg> i just tried it (3.3.1.1/winxp) and it works fine here.... didn't know about the ant view jet, thanks for that.
[11:39:33] <dominikg> (how could i miss that one....)
[11:39:51] <dominikg> anyways, did you change any preferences in the ant->runtime section?
[11:40:01] <pombreda> dominikg: hye, I suspect this is something between the install (which may be corrupted) the distro provided pacakage and the java install :-P
[11:40:17] <edawg> nope, didn't change anything. So you are saying I should use eclipse 3311 instead?
[11:40:55] <pombreda> edawg: I would
[11:41:00] * dominikg too
[11:41:11] <pombreda> edawg: what you have is a config problem somewhere, but nothing obvious
[11:41:16] <pombreda> a clean install would help
[11:41:18] <edawg> could be a corrupt/bad distro package, yeah. But i'd like to know how to fix it ^^. I mean, if Eclipse gave good enough error messages, etc.... we could track it down.
[11:41:40] <pombreda> edawg: quite often the distro provided eclipse have issues
[11:42:06] <dominikg> not really, eclipse said it can't find ant on the classpath... (you should get an equal message when trying to run ant targets etc.)
[11:42:19] <edawg> it's weird 'cause my ant config clearly has the ant.jar available to it. And the ant.jar file clearly has the class that the error is saying 'class not found'....
[11:42:36] <edawg> yeah, I get that error when running ant targets IN eclipse but not from the command line.
[11:43:36] <edawg> and the ant.jar is in /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.apache.ant_1.6.5/lib/ant.jar, and I see an 'ant' setting in my 'preferences' area'.
[11:43:58] <pombreda> edawg: brb
[11:44:07] <edawg> how else could I add a jar to eclipses 'classpath' that it uses for it's own internal stuff? That's not a compiler config setting, right?
[11:44:53] *** soulreaper_ has joined #eclipse
[11:45:15] <dominikg> no, in case of ant, its in preferences -> ant -> runtime -> classpath tab
[11:45:51] <dominikg> there should be lots of entries, all pointing at eclipse plugins in the org.apache.ant namespace
[11:46:32] <dominikg> (Ant Home Node)
[11:47:32] <edawg> yeah, there's tons. 3 entries under classpath, and one is called 'Ant Home Entries (default).'. It expands into like ~15 jar files
[11:47:48] <edawg> and one of those is ant.jar and in the ant.jar is the class that eclipse is claiming is 'class not found'.
[11:48:09] <dominikg> is it ant.jar or does it contain a version number?
[11:48:26] <dominikg> ~imagebin
[11:48:27] <KOS-MOS> Please upload your screenshots online - http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add - http://imagebin.ca/upload.php - http://imageshack.us/
[11:48:38] <dominikg> a screenshot would be handy
[11:49:10] <edawg> just ant.jar. I'll do the screenshot thing. It's a weird error. it's like the 'org.eclipse.jface' can't see the ant classes for some reason.
[11:50:28] <edawg> thanks for helping. I know a quicker fix might be to get a clean version, an older version or whatever, but I'm the kind of person who likes to know why/how things break ^^.
[11:53:50] <edawg> here is the screenshot http://imagebin.org/12743
[11:55:26] *** fsteeg has joined #eclipse
[11:55:48] <jk_eclipser> has anybody a hint for me: we have a template-like language and would like to implement syntax highlightning for it. do you know a plugin which accepts syntax definitions? or is writing own plugin the way to go?
[11:56:21] *** amitev has joined #eclipse
[11:58:03] <dominikg> jk_eclipser: http://colorer.sourceforge.net/eclipsecolorer/index.html may help you
[11:58:56] <edawg> so whatdya think dominikg? am I screwed?
[11:59:11] <jk_eclipser> dominikg: looks great!!! thank you!
[11:59:52] <dominikg> edawg, no... looks good
[12:00:27] <dominikg> well, so yes your installation maybe screwed as it appears to be configured correctly but does not work
[12:00:32] <edawg> yeah, it looks good but it doesn't work good hehe
[12:02:18] *** soulreaper has quit IRC
[12:02:19] <edawg> what do all those 'fileNotFound' exceptions mean from earlier in the log? Is there a way to increase the debug level and find out whats going on when those errors occur?
[12:03:57] <dominikg> you can start eclipse with -debug
[12:04:35] <pombreda> jk_eclipser: I would try too http://easyeclipse.org/site/plugins/cbg-editor.html the syntax is simpler, as it is absed on jedit edit modes
[12:05:54] <pombreda> and it does not need natives like colorer
[12:06:02] <dominikg> that 'fileNotFound' stuff at the beginning of the log is for NLS stuff, not related to your problem and not a real problem at all imho
[12:08:01] <jk_eclipser> ah! thanks pombreda, that might be an even simpler solution. i'm gonna try that
[12:08:41] <edawg> ok, thanks. I really have no idea so I was just guessing.
[12:09:47] <pombreda> jk_eclipser: but for a template language where you mix several languages together, you maybe  better off starting with some editor that approaches what you want to do, and will get you further along. this one is just for syntax highlighing, and you may want ode completion too. :-P
[12:09:54] <pombreda> *code completion
[12:10:04] <pombreda> edawg: did you try with 3311 ?
[12:11:08] <edawg> it's dloading. I have a very slow connection, hehe.
[12:11:10] *** AhtiK has joined #eclipse
[12:11:15] <edawg> Whats this /usr/local/lib/eclipse/.eclipseextension file do?
[12:12:04] <dominikg> its a marker file telling eclipse that /usr/local/lib/eclipse/ is an 'eclipse extension location'
[12:12:08] <dominikg> ~manage
[12:12:08] <KOS-MOS> Manage your Eclipse environment - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ecl-manage/
[12:12:13] <dominikg> that explains it into detail
[12:12:39] <edawg> ty
[12:13:22] <edawg> 'cause in the debug I got an error about how it was trying to write that file, but couldn't write the file. It said I needed to be root. So I ran eclipse as root and it stopped complaining about it. But the ANT problem is still there ;<.
[12:16:52] <edawg> I am sorry, but I'm sort of a noob. This guy looks like he's having my problem. Does this make sense to any of you guys? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/96423
[12:17:26] <jk_eclipser> pombreda: i was hoping eclipse has already a plugin for something like that. i already checked some plugins (css/html completion/highlightning), it seems not too difficult to develop own plugin, but im not an eclipse-expert, so it would take some time :)
[12:19:04] <edawg> omg look at this crap fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/134537  I hope this works, sorry to have bothered you guys and thanks for the help....
[12:19:28] <jk_eclipser> to start off simple highlightning with color editor and templates as replacement for auto-completion would help a lot i think
[12:24:49] <edawg> yeah, that fixed it. Very strange. Combining the 'ant.jar' and 'ant-launcher.jar' into one big 'ant.jar' fixed the problem.
[12:26:54] <pombreda> jk_eclipser: the core dev on the HTML/CSS plugins is nitind here :-P
[12:27:49] <pombreda> edawg: I told you: most distro provided eclipse are badly massaged and mostly scrwd.
[12:28:34] <pombreda> edawg: under the doctrine that there should be only one copy of a bit on disk, they rearrange perfectly working software in something that does not work anymore
[12:28:53] <pombreda> edawg: hence, taking a vanilla eclipse from eclipse usually fixes any issues
[12:29:00] <edawg> yeah. I'm going to see if I can join this bug forum and maybe somehow fix the distro's package. Can't complain about it unless I tried to fix it and failed myself... (at least, that's cause I like ubuntu!)
[12:29:11] <pombreda> :-)
[12:33:50] <jk_eclipser> yes yes, i just wanted a hint :) you provided, thanks :)
[12:36:17] <edawg> thanks for everything! Time to go to sleep!
[12:36:21] *** edawg has left #eclipse
[12:38:57] *** mhaller has joined #eclipse
[12:40:31] *** tama has joined #eclipse
[12:40:45] <tama> hi there!
[12:41:17] *** fzlogik has quit IRC
[12:45:51] *** dan`afk has joined #eclipse
[12:46:58] *** rcjsuen has joined #eclipse
[12:47:16] *** Bastiaan has quit IRC
[12:50:03] *** tama has quit IRC
[12:51:24] *** tama has joined #eclipse
[12:51:43] <tama> hi again
[12:51:52] <tama> anyone there?
[12:51:53] <rcjsuen> Rhe: What is your question
[12:52:44] <rcjsuen> tama: If you have a question, just ask it.
[12:53:05] <tama> ok: I can't start eclipse
[12:53:26] <rcjsuen> ~tell tama about info
[12:53:27] <KOS-MOS> tama: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[12:53:38] <tama> it fails before i can choose a workspace and writes a log file
[12:54:14] <tama> i'm on x86,win,java 1.6u3, eclipse 3.3.1 and i got eclipse from eclipse.com
[12:54:40] <tama> i've also got a bunch of plugins in eclipse: subcplise,wst and some more
[12:55:38] <rcjsuen> So what happened between the last time it started properly.
[12:55:39] <rcjsuen> ~logs
[12:55:39] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[12:55:52] <tama> and the eclise log says, most remarkably i think, that !ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 2 0 2008-01-03 12:30:51.946
[12:55:53] <tama> !MESSAGE One or more bundles are not resolved because the following root constraints are not resolved:
[12:55:53] <tama> !SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.osgi 2 0 2008-01-03 12:30:51.946
[12:55:53] <tama> !MESSAGE Bundle update at plugins/org dot mortbay.jetty_5.1.11.v200706111724.jar was not resolved.
[12:55:53] <tama> !SUBENTRY 2 org.mortbay.jetty 2 0 2008-01-03 12:30:51.946
[12:55:53] <tama> !MESSAGE Missing imported package javax.net.ssl_0.0.0.
[12:55:54] <tama> !SUBENTRY 2 org.mortbay.jetty 2 0 2008-01-03 12:30:51.946
[12:55:59] *** Bastiaan has joined #eclipse
[12:56:25] <rcjsuen> Please use a pastebin next time.
[12:56:33] <tama> all right, sorry
[12:57:00] <tama> this log is actually from eclipse/configuration
[12:57:20] <rcjsuen> I want the workspace one.
[12:57:22] <njbartlett> tama: Can you put the rest of that log in a pastebin? I think it's missing the interesting part
[12:57:39] <tama> there's no log in the workspace
[12:57:52] <tama> i can't even choose a workspace
[12:58:00] <rcjsuen> So what happened between the last time it started properly.
[12:58:03] <tama> ~pastebin
[12:58:03] <KOS-MOS> Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[12:58:20] <tama> mmm i'm trying to work out the pastebin thing
[12:58:38] <rcjsuen> by what happened i don't mean logs specifically
[12:58:44] <tama> and i don't know what happened last time... it was two weeks ago before christmas :(
[12:58:47] <rcjsuen> i mean in plain English
[12:59:12] <tama> i think nothing new happened, but i can't be sure
[12:59:34] <rcjsuen> use eclipse.exe -vm C:/newfolder
[12:59:45] <rcjsuen> to tell Eclipse to start in an empty folder as its workspace
[13:02:20] <tama> mmm, it gives an error dialog saying no java is found in c:\aa\
[13:02:25] *** Bastiaan has quit IRC
[13:02:36] <rcjsuen> oh whoops
[13:02:37] <rcjsuen> i mean
[13:03:07] <tama> ok, it now fails the same
[13:03:59] <rcjsuen> can you try eclipse.exe -clean
[13:04:17] <rcjsuen> You said it "fails the same".
[13:04:20] <rcjsuen> So what happens exactly
[13:04:27] <rcjsuen> define "fail"
[13:05:45] <tama> it shows the startup screen, but before i can choose a workspace it crashes and displays an error dialog saying "an error has ocurred. see the log file c:\...."
[13:06:07] <rcjsuen> What log file
[13:06:16] <tama> and again the same with -clean
[13:06:23] <tama> a log file in eclipse/configuration
[13:06:49] <rcjsuen> please take a screenshot of the error
[13:06:58] <tama> i've got it in a pastebin here: http://rafb.net/p/w22ubE43.html
[13:06:58] <rcjsuen> did you pastebin the full log that njbartlett asked about yet
[13:07:12] <rcjsuen> i wnat to see the error dialog
[13:07:58] <rcjsuen> Looks suspiciously like a workspace log.
[13:08:17] <rcjsuen> culprit -> java.version=1.3.1_02
[13:08:46] <dominikg> java.version=1.3.1_02
[13:08:46] <dominikg> java.vendor=Sun Microsystems Inc.
[13:08:46] <dominikg> BootLoader constants: OS=win32, ARCH=x86, WS=win32, NL=es_ES
[13:08:46] <dominikg> Command-line arguments:  -os win32 -ws win32 -arch x86
[13:08:53] <dominikg> damn,
[13:08:58] <tama> how can i show u the screenshot?
[13:09:04] <rcjsuen> Well we don't need to see it now.
[13:09:13] <tama> good :)
[13:09:16] <rcjsuen> but in the future, you could just upload it online and give us a link
[13:09:17] <rcjsuen> ~image
[13:09:17] <KOS-MOS> Please upload your screenshots online - http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add - http://imagebin.ca/upload.php - http://imageshack.us/
[13:09:31] <Rhe> sorry i was afk.. the question is feature related, not programming.. how does one move one eclipse project from one computer to the other?
[13:09:38] <tama> ok thx
[13:09:41] <Rhe> there is no workspace file
[13:09:47] <rcjsuen> "workspace file"?
[13:09:54] <Rhe> what i did was open a fresh project and import .class files
[13:09:55] <Rhe> to that
[13:10:01] <rcjsuen> Rhe: Either use an SCM system or copy the folder, paste it there, File > Import, the end.
[13:10:01] <Rhe> what i mean is
[13:10:19] <Rhe> does that method create the project for me?
[13:10:35] <rcjsuen> tama: I'll leave it as an exercise for you to figure out which Java version you need.
[13:10:36] <Rhe> everything like it was on the other machine
[13:11:05] <tama> you mean i need to install jre 1.3.1??
[13:11:19] <rcjsuen> tama: No, that's not what I said, at least, I don't think what I said implied that.
[13:11:37] <Rhe> meaning your java version is out of date
[13:12:06] <Rhe> if you can find your way through sun's god awful site
[13:12:06] <rcjsuen> Rhe: Unless you copy the whole project, it is difficult for it to be "identical".
[13:12:13] <Rhe> install the newest java package
[13:12:14] <rcjsuen> For starters, having class files means you don't have source files.
[13:12:29] <Rhe> .java files too
[13:12:33] <tama> mmm i don't know where is it picking jre1.3.1, i've just reinstaled 1.6
[13:12:38] <Rhe> i guess i compiled them on the other machine
[13:12:42] <rcjsuen> Unless your original project was just filled with .class files, I guess that's a different story.
[13:12:45] <Rhe> and while i snatched the whole project those came tyoo
[13:12:46] <rcjsuen> ~tell tama about vm
[13:12:47] <KOS-MOS> tama: To learn more about the Eclipse launcher / binary, see - http://www.eclipse.org/swt/launcher.html - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_Launcher - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/misc/launcher.html
[13:12:47] <Rhe> too-
[13:13:01] <Rhe> tma : check your PATH
[13:13:08] <rcjsuen> You can export projects
[13:13:10] <rcjsuen> File > Export
[13:13:11] <Rhe> which OS are you using?
[13:13:16] <Rhe> oh
[13:13:17] <rcjsuen> then File > Import on the other end
[13:13:22] <Rhe> ok then.. i didn't export
[13:13:30] <Rhe> so all i got was a .project file
[13:13:32] <Rhe> xml i think
[13:13:37] <dominikg> tama, and your windows/system32 ... java has the habit of copying its executables there...
[13:14:04] <rcjsuen> You probably installed JRE 1.3.1 last and then it set that as system VM I guess?
[13:14:11] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[13:14:17] <Rhe> most probably
[13:14:18] <rcjsuen> I'd just use -vm in the ini file to be sure myself.
[13:14:23] <Rhe> if using a linux distro
[13:14:28] <Rhe> apt-get and yum do that
[13:14:35] <Rhe> their repos are usually old
[13:14:47] <Rhe> and they scatter files and dominate path
[13:15:04] <Rhe> so manual install needs additional steps
[13:15:38] <rcjsuen> Rhe: Well, I trust the package manager to know what it's doing 99% of the time. Eclipse would be that 1%.
[13:15:47] <Rhe> hehe
[13:16:07] <Rhe> java repos are especially horrible.. there are these 100s of java packages in a repo
[13:16:17] <Rhe> making it almost impossible to find what you are looking for
[13:16:29] <Rhe> and if you do, there is no guarantee it is up-to-date
[13:16:42] <Rhe> since repo admins don't keep track of java projects that much
[13:17:42] *** kjkoster5489 has joined #eclipse
[13:20:11] *** sama has joined #eclipse
[13:20:40] *** dsugar100 has joined #eclipse
[13:23:44] <tama> it works now!
[13:24:32] <tama> it happened that i installed an oracle thing that included a jre and overwrote the path...
[13:24:40] <njbartlett> Holy crap that's a lot of unresolved bundles!
[13:24:50] <tama> thanks!!
[13:24:56] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: quite
[13:25:24] <njbartlett> Ah, I missed the JRE line. Well spotted.
[13:25:59] <rcjsuen> :)
[13:26:17] <njbartlett> ~log
[13:26:17] <KOS-MOS> Eclipse logs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located_at.3F
[13:26:48] <njbartlett> Just wondering if this info talks about the configuration directory log. That one gets created before the workspace log
[13:27:26] <njbartlett> Hmm not specifically
[13:29:19] <rcjsuen> i thot the first faq did
[13:29:39] <rcjsuen> er
[13:29:40] <rcjsuen> the second one i mean
[13:30:12] <Rhe> some kind of real time log i guess
[13:30:19] <rcjsuen> ~logs
[13:30:20] <KOS-MOS> Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[13:30:36] <rcjsuen> ~set logs Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located_at.3F
[13:30:36] <KOS-MOS> !Learn_Update!
[13:31:00] <rcjsuen> ~set logs Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located_at.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[13:31:01] <KOS-MOS> !Learn_Update!
[13:31:06] <Rhe> btw, can anyone set the info on the bot or do you need the flags for that?
[13:31:09] <rcjsuen> ~set log Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located_at.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[13:31:09] <KOS-MOS> !Learn_Update!
[13:31:28] <rcjsuen> Rhe: only maybe 10 people can do it
[13:31:39] <Rhe> ok.. flags then
[13:31:53] *** tama has quit IRC
[13:33:44] *** xkill has joined #eclipse
[13:34:39] *** riot has quit IRC
[13:34:59] *** soulreaper_ has quit IRC
[13:35:35] *** probonono has quit IRC
[13:41:39] *** MartinMai has joined #eclipse
[13:42:19] <MartinMai> how do I open a plugin that I added to /usr/share/eclipse/plugins ?
[13:43:22] *** dan`afk has quit IRC
[13:44:40] <Rhe> open up eclipse
[13:44:46] <Rhe> and add that as a perspective
[13:45:05] <Rhe> easiest way to add a perspective is to right click your toolbar
[13:45:09] <Rhe> but i think your OS is not win
[13:45:22] *** mhaller has quit IRC
[13:45:38] <Rhe> then you might wanna try your lock under Edit
[13:45:47] <Rhe> the plugin might have added an argument there
[13:46:01] <MartinMai> ;-) trying I'm runnign suse 10.2
[13:46:45] <Rhe> just find where the custom,ze perspective argument is among your menus
[13:46:53] <Rhe> you should find it somehwere
[13:48:29] <MartinMai> thx I have it ;-)
[13:48:40] <MartinMai> it is XPath Explorer
[13:48:57] <Rhe> just tried that new vi emulation plugin
[13:49:08] <Rhe> and remembered what a pain using vi was
[13:49:19] <Rhe> why would i wanna emulate that piece of hell :)
[13:49:46] *** cbosdonnat has joined #eclipse
[13:51:49] *** scorphus has joined #eclipse
[13:52:04] <cbosdonnat> Hi all
[13:53:58] <rcjsuen> cbosdonnat: Hi
[13:57:15] <cbosdonnat> rcjsuen: Hi
[13:57:44] <cbosdonnat> rcjsuen: I've just found a tiny problem in an RCP app
[13:58:37] <cbosdonnat> rcjsuen: when I center the main window in the createWindowContent, the perspective layout is doesn't use the parts ratios...
[13:59:08] <cbosdonnat> rcjsuen: Do you have an idea of how to center the window without this problem ?
[13:59:33] <rcjsuen> no, i don't do rcp
[14:00:16] <cbosdonnat> rcjsuen: thanks anyway, I'll try to find a workaround...
[14:05:19] *** mefisto has quit IRC
[14:09:24] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC
[14:31:58] *** omry has quit IRC
[14:34:10] *** timothym has joined #eclipse
[14:44:43] *** scorphus has quit IRC
[14:50:05] *** mindCrime has quit IRC
[14:52:03] *** omry has joined #eclipse
[14:53:46] *** njbartlett__ has joined #eclipse
[14:54:17] *** njbartlett has quit IRC
[14:55:21] *** eelriver has quit IRC
[15:00:49] *** geoaxis has quit IRC
[15:06:45] *** ajt has joined #eclipse
[15:11:19] *** scorphus has joined #eclipse
[15:20:01] *** mhaller has joined #eclipse
[15:29:59] *** KA has quit IRC
[15:31:54] *** klopfdreh has joined #eclipse
[15:33:52] <klopfdreh> hello everyone, I have a litte problem with Windows XP SP2 and SWT Borders. I'm using the FormToolkit and give a hint when to draw borders like myControl.setData(FormToolkit.KEY_DRAW_BORDER, FormToolkit.TEXT_BORDER); or with TREE_BORDER instead. But when I deactivate and using different 3D Colors the border normal SWT.Border appearing instead of the one-pixel-borders
[15:34:43] <klopfdreh> *the window themes
[15:40:57] *** cbosdonnat has quit IRC
[15:41:54] <klopfdreh> someone able to help me with that problem here?
[15:42:15] *** ajt has quit IRC
[15:45:38] *** ajt has joined #eclipse
[15:48:09] *** eelriver has joined #eclipse
[15:55:57] *** soulreaper has joined #eclipse
[15:58:40] *** xushi has quit IRC
[16:04:54] <Rhe> do you know where i can get more themes for eclipse?
[16:05:00] <Rhe> i need a black-gray theme
[16:05:16] <Rhe> or at least black background and reasonably colored text
[16:05:44] *** AhtiK has quit IRC
[16:06:01] <klopfdreh> mh, themes for a eclipse application I don't know - I only used the default
[16:06:08] <klopfdreh> but there are many troubles :S
[16:06:13] <timothym> Rhe: Eclipse doesn't really have themes but you can customize those parts yourself
[16:06:24] <timothym> check the options and Appearance settings
[16:06:27] <klopfdreh> timothym only in eclipse 3.x
[16:06:29] <klopfdreh> eh 3.3
[16:06:38] <Rhe> i tried to customize those settings
[16:06:39] <dominikg> the only custom theme i know of is 'extended vs presentation'
[16:06:42] <klopfdreh> less 3.3 there is no way to do so
[16:06:49] <Rhe> but eclipse has so many parts in its GUI
[16:07:00] <Rhe> it is a pain to match the overall color palette
[16:07:24] <Rhe> do you guys use the white background?
[16:07:35] <Rhe> or have you customized it to a darker theme?
[16:07:36] <dominikg> i've also had no luck in setting up a black background manually (jdt syntax coloring insisted on having black letters, which made reading them on black bg a pita)
[16:08:13] <dominikg> i settled on using a light grey background on os-level, which is honored by eclipse quite nicely
[16:08:14] <Rhe> it hurts my eyes.. :)
[16:08:27] <klopfdreh> lol ^^
[16:08:42] *** MartinMai has left #eclipse
[16:08:45] <klopfdreh> try to set you windows color ;>
[16:08:56] <timothym> hmmm... it does seem to insist on black text... ouchies.
[16:09:29] *** klopfdreh has quit IRC
[16:10:51] <Rhe> had success making the main bg color black
[16:10:57] <Rhe> as in the bg color of the editor part
[16:11:11] <Rhe> but it modifies the text on there to its liking
[16:11:13] <Rhe> black and red
[16:12:40] *** denisr has quit IRC
[16:14:56] <jk_eclipser> cu and thanks for help
[16:14:59] *** jk_eclipser has left #eclipse
[16:16:21] *** Carnage\ has joined #eclipse
[16:16:56] <dominikg> Rhe: this is how my eclipse looks like, the grey doesn't hurt my eyes and you can keep most of the default color settings (you may want to change some greyish ones like matching bracket highlight) http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3558/greyclipsewa2.png
[16:17:22] <timothym> googling 'eclipse skins' has some better hits... but nothing with black backgrounds and white text... mostly more options to customize the look and feel
[16:17:56] <Rhe> yeah grey is also nice looking
[16:18:13] <Rhe> did you use a bundled skin for that or played around with the preferences yourself?
[16:19:44] <dominikg> i set that on os-level and eclipse adopted it
[16:20:04] <Rhe> yeah read some newsgroups now
[16:20:19] <Rhe> it seems only way for complete skinning is changing the OS default
[16:20:19] <Rhe> but
[16:20:30] <Rhe> it changes every look the OS has right?
[16:20:36] <Rhe> not only eclipse
[16:20:53] <Rhe> so if i get black bg for eclipse, my OS will also be black themed?
[16:21:02] <dominikg> yes, which is a plus for me, because the white annoyed me everywhere, not just in eclipse
[16:21:09] <Rhe> hehe
[16:21:19] <Rhe> hmm i might look into black xp
[16:21:37] <Rhe> have to use win.. gnome or kde would be easier
[16:22:32] <Rhe> gotta go now.. work hours are over.. thx for all the help.. cu tomorrow
[16:22:49] *** Rhe has quit IRC
[16:23:16] *** jmatt has quit IRC
[16:23:31] *** shoan has quit IRC
[16:25:35] *** dominikg has quit IRC
[16:26:23] *** netoman has joined #eclipse
[16:27:29] *** tkotisis has quit IRC
[16:28:24] *** co2 has quit IRC
[16:28:32] *** mindCrime has joined #eclipse
[16:32:34] *** jdolan_ has joined #eclipse
[16:33:01] *** shiva has joined #eclipse
[16:33:24] <jdolan_> hi, is there a way to have Eclipse (europa) just "point at" an svn working copy for e.g. python or c development?  i don't want to have to checkout my projects again, and i don't want me working copies to live within my ~/.workspace.
[16:33:39] <jdolan_> *my working copies
[16:34:51] <jdolan_> in other words, is there a way to make eclipse act like an editor and not a dictator?  :>  (i love eclipse.. this issue has always frustrated me, tho, as sometimes i like to poke around at my files with other editors)
[16:35:26] <jdolan_> for java projects (at least maven projects), eclipse happily points to an existing working copy and edits the files in place.
[16:37:10] <ijuma> jdolan_: this is not eclipse-related. it's how svn is supposed to work
[16:38:13] <jdolan_> this has nothing to do with svn.  my files could be in cvs, perforce, git, or not versioned at all -- it'd be nice to tell eclipse "listen, you're going to edit these files $here"
[16:38:32] <ijuma> jdolan_: i may have misunderstood. You have already checked it out outside of eclipse?
[16:38:45] <jdolan_> right (i'm looking into subclipse now as well)
[16:39:01] <ijuma> so, you can just create a project based on a set of files outside the workspace
[16:39:11] <jdolan_> but it copies them into the workspace.
[16:39:16] <ijuma> i think from File -> Import
[16:39:20] <jdolan_> from what i've found.  hopefully i'm doing it wrong tho.
[16:39:25] <njbartlett__> jdolan_: Only if you tick the both that says "Copy files to workspace"
[16:39:30] <njbartlett__> The box, I mean
[16:39:34] <njbartlett__> Cold fingers... sheesh
[16:39:45] <jdolan_> are you in new england?  it's like 15' outside today.
[16:39:52] <njbartlett__> No I'm in old England :-)
[16:39:55] <jdolan_> hah :)
[16:39:58] <njbartlett__> London
[16:40:03] <jdolan_> Boston here
[16:40:18] *** krbarnes has joined #eclipse
[16:40:52] <njbartlett__> Anyway. You can import a project without copying the files from their original location
[16:41:20] <jdolan_> njbartlett__, i don't have a .project file, tho.  so i'm stuck with Import Filesystem or ..is there something else?
[16:41:40] <njbartlett__> Ah. Well it's not a project then. At least, not in the Eclipse sense
[16:41:43] <jdolan_> should i consider creating (or stealing) a .project file?
[16:41:48] <jdolan_> right.  :)
[16:42:03] <njbartlett__> And yeah, this is where Eclipse sucks, it's not very good at dealing with files outside of projects.
[16:42:20] <jdolan_> heh, `mvn eclipse:eclipse' is so nice..
[16:42:30] <ijuma> at the same time, many of the benefits one gets is because eclipse knows enough about the project and the files, etc.
[16:42:59] <jdolan_> i don't think there's a python (or django) equivalent of the mvn-eclipse-plugin tho.
[16:43:04] <ijuma> for multi-module builds, mvn eclipse:eclipse didn't seem so nice to me
[16:43:28] <jdolan_> ijuma, i've had several multi-module projects and had no issues with the plugin.
[16:43:41] <njbartlett__> I just hate Maven, full stop...
[16:43:50] <ijuma> jdolan_: you can issue one command and it creates the files for all your modules?
[16:43:51] <njbartlett__> That thing scarred me for life
[16:44:03] <jdolan_> ijuma, yea!
[16:44:17] <jdolan_> in the super-pom directory, just mvn eclipse:eclipse
[16:44:48] <ijuma> jdolan_: even if your super-pom is not directly above the the other directories? Remember eclipse can't nest projects
[16:46:26] <ijuma> anyway, i have currently started using q4e
[16:46:29] <ijuma> seems to work well
[16:46:34] <ijuma> even works for scala projects
[16:46:41] <ijuma> (that depend on java ones)
[16:47:47] *** dan`afk has joined #eclipse
[16:48:13] <njbartlett__> ijuma: Are you using the Scala plugin for Eclipse?
[16:48:24] <ijuma> njbartlett__: yeap, the "old" one
[16:48:37] <njbartlett__> ijuma: Aka the stable one :-)
[16:49:34] <ijuma> njbartlett__: for some definition of stable, yes ;) Surprisingly it has worked well for me so far. The only problem I had was with a jar file that had a duplicate file (not sure how that happened), but it triggered an assertion in the compiler
[16:49:47] <ijuma> easy fix though
[16:52:28] <jdolan_> ijuma, i had a project structure with a module tree two branches deep.
[16:52:40] <jdolan_> so ./core/service and ./core/model
[16:53:04] <jdolan_> ./core had no pom, tho.  the parent pom called out both ./core/service and ./core/model modules.
[16:53:16] <ijuma> jdolan_: right, so how can someone checkout the whole project easily?
[16:53:32] <jdolan_> checkout?  how is that an issue?
[16:54:04] <ijuma> well, if you have everything under trunk, you can just multi-select everything from svn explorer and checkout
[16:54:32] *** Keelhaul has joined #eclipse
[16:54:36] <njbartlett__> ijuma: Command line svn tools?
[16:54:51] <ijuma> njbartlett__: not as easy ;)
[16:54:55] <ijuma> but yes, there are many ways to do it
[16:55:06] <ijuma> for us, this convenience was worth it
[16:55:15] <ijuma> but our project isn't that big, but many self-contained modules
[16:55:58] <njbartlett__> I know what you mean though... PDE's project-per-plugin approach is a pain when it comes to source control
[16:56:09] *** kab has joined #eclipse
[16:56:12] *** dmead has joined #eclipse
[16:57:24] <dmead> can someone tell me where the "create getters and setters" option is?
[16:57:35] <dmead> i haven't used it since 3.1 and it seems to have moved
[16:58:12] <ijuma> dmead: Source -> Generate getters...
[16:58:17] <ijuma> dmead: i don't think it has moved
[16:58:23] <dmead> oh
[16:58:24] <dmead> woops
[16:58:29] <dmead> i was looking in refactor
[16:59:45] <ijuma> dmead: things that add without modifying are usually in Source (not saying that there are no exceptions)
[16:59:48] *** co2 has joined #eclipse
[16:59:51] *** co2 has quit IRC
[17:00:08] *** co2 has joined #eclipse
[17:02:25] *** krbarnes has quit IRC
[17:02:43] *** krbarnes has joined #eclipse
[17:03:13] *** sama has quit IRC
[17:03:23] *** elventear has joined #eclipse
[17:03:34] *** conan has quit IRC
[17:04:05] *** conan has joined #eclipse
[17:11:19] *** mo has joined #eclipse
[17:11:43] <mo> hi. how can i get the working directory of the currently shown console?
[17:13:22] *** shoan has joined #eclipse
[17:14:33] *** xushi has joined #eclipse
[17:14:40] *** shoan has quit IRC
[17:19:43] *** tromey has joined #eclipse
[17:20:53] *** dan`afk has quit IRC
[17:21:56] *** lonecoder has joined #eclipse
[17:25:13] <dmead> mo, i think it's your source folder by default
[17:27:02] <mo> dmead: it's not. i am running an external tool in the console and need the working directory of it..
[17:27:09] <dmead> oh
[17:27:15] <dmead> not sure then :/
[17:27:28] <dmead> have you code spit out a file and see where it appears?
[17:27:37] <dmead> or is it in project properties
[17:27:37] <dmead> ?
[17:28:43] <mo> how do you mean this?
[17:35:02] *** dominikg has joined #eclipse
[17:42:17] *** nyoron has joined #eclipse
[17:42:27] *** acuster has quit IRC
[17:43:37] <krbarnes> mo: you can set the base directory in the LCD, but there's no function in the console to retrieve it.
[17:44:05] <krbarnes> you could file a request against the Platform-Debug guys.
[17:44:20] *** ekuleshov_ has joined #eclipse
[17:45:19] *** z4z4 has quit IRC
[17:48:07] *** xushi_ has joined #eclipse
[17:49:13] *** Keelhaul has quit IRC
[17:54:45] *** elventear has left #eclipse
[17:55:52] *** xushi has quit IRC
[18:04:39] *** dave___ has joined #eclipse
[18:05:33] <dave___> hi all in eclipse i have set up tab to be 4 spaces, however when i create a new function and do the {} it puts a tab in between them rather than 4 spaces, how can i deal with this, thanks?
[18:05:40] *** ekuleshov has quit IRC
[18:07:27] <ijuma> dave___: do you have Tab Policy as "Spaces only"?
[18:07:37] <dave___> yes i do
[18:08:20] <ijuma> dave___: and your project doesn't override that?
[18:08:44] <ijuma> from my experience, the behaviour you're seeing should not happen if things are configured correctly
[18:09:04] <dominikg> dave___, which language/editor is it? maybe a template contains a tab, but with spaces only i think even that should be converted... did you try to reopen the editor? changed preferences sometimes don't affect open editors
[18:09:52] <ijuma> oh yeah, if it's a different editor (i.e. non-java), then things are different
[18:11:00] *** scorphus_ has joined #eclipse
[18:11:17] <dave___> ijuma it is a php eclipse
[18:11:31] <dave___> the spaces for tabs work but only if i hit tab
[18:11:37] <dave___> not when it auto indents
[18:12:01] <ijuma> dave___: ok, sorry then. I was talking about the java editor when I know this to work. I have no experience with the php one.
[18:12:03] *** scorphus has quit IRC
[18:12:11] *** scorphus_ is now known as scorphus
[18:12:27] <dave___> in general editors text editors inserts spaces for tabs is ticked
[18:13:53] <dave___> found it
[18:14:42] *** Jasko has quit IRC
[18:15:24] <dave___> maybe not
[18:15:26] <dave___> hmmm
[18:16:14] *** gaillard_ has joined #eclipse
[18:17:43] *** Jasko has joined #eclipse
[18:18:39] <dave___> well found how to do it for java but not for php
[18:19:19] <qolo> PDT or phpeclipse ?
[18:20:44] <dave___> i guess pdt i got it from here http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/downloads/
[18:23:49] <dave___> i think you cannot do it in pdt, not a good editor if you cannot set up the most basic of things
[18:25:10] <dave___> yes i got it php formater tabs 4
[18:25:17] <dave___> that is in prefferences
[18:25:32] *** flexus has joined #eclipse
[18:26:10] *** Jasko has quit IRC
[18:31:29] <mo> how can i get an ifile from an absolute path?
[18:32:53] *** Ramosa has joined #eclipse
[18:33:25] *** xushi has joined #eclipse
[18:35:19] *** LeVA has joined #eclipse
[18:40:12] *** sama has joined #eclipse
[18:42:00] *** xushi_ has quit IRC
[18:43:07] *** Jasko has joined #eclipse
[18:43:27] *** peter_ has joined #eclipse
[18:46:06] <peter_> hi. I try to get a class by its full name as string but the eclipse class loader fails. the class should be visible (is in exported package of another bundle, that bundle is required and its package is imported, I have also tried an explicit import). I use the method Class.forName (str) for that. How can I achive this?
[18:51:44] *** dan`afk has joined #eclipse
[18:52:10] *** tkotisis has joined #eclipse
[18:55:41] *** netoman has quit IRC
[18:58:02] *** dan`afk has quit IRC
[18:58:22] *** xushi has quit IRC
[18:59:23] *** rcjsuen has joined #eclipse
[19:02:16] *** TodC has joined #eclipse
[19:02:28] *** d_a_carver has quit IRC
[19:04:44] *** Nescafe has quit IRC
[19:07:07] *** jdolan_ has quit IRC
[19:07:13] *** jdolan_ has joined #eclipse
[19:12:25] *** atomi- has quit IRC
[19:16:08] <qolo> how many man hours do you think has been put in to eclipse ?
[19:16:12] <rcjsuen> lol
[19:16:15] <rcjsuen> what a question
[19:16:35] <dominikg> qolo, too many
[19:20:24] <rcjsuen> dominikg: Just saw your Eclipse screenshot, don't think I could code in that.
[19:21:17] <dominikg> took me a while to get used to it, but now i can't stand anything else (i even used to have a much smaller font when i had less screen estate)
[19:21:33] *** z` has joined #eclipse
[19:21:41] <rcjsuen> o
[19:23:23] <rcjsuen> krbarnes: LCD = Launch Configuration Dialog I'm guessing?
[19:23:24] *** Ramosa has quit IRC
[19:23:33] <krbarnes> yes.. sorry
[19:24:11] <rcjsuen> mo: By default the wlorking directory is the project that an app is launching from
[19:24:20] <rcjsuen> However, in the external tool case I guess that's a separate story.
[19:24:46] <rcjsuen> mo: IFile from absolute path? Think you need to somehow use getFile with IWorkspaceRoot I think or something like that
[19:25:29] *** tomsontom has joined #eclipse
[19:27:51] *** IMYojimbo has quit IRC
[19:29:34] <ijuma> qolo: you can try ohloh
[19:30:15] <ijuma> qolo: http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3855?p=Eclipse+Platform+Project for platform only
[19:30:24] <ijuma> you can check others by searching for eclipse
[19:30:53] <ijuma> 1,460 Person Years for code (no markup) for platform
[19:30:54] <ijuma> not bad
[19:31:09] <ijuma> of course, those numbers tend to be quite exaggerated from my experience
[19:32:01] <rcjsuen> Idiot here, in the 'History' view of Subclipse, why can't I do like "Compare current with..."
[19:32:03] <rcjsuen> like CVS
[19:32:18] *** scorphus has quit IRC
[19:33:00] <peter_> sorry -  nobody has apparently any idea about my class loading question?
[19:34:12] <rcjsuen> well, using right-click compare with revision does what i want, close enough
[19:34:23] <dominikg> rcjsuen, can't you just mark 2 revs and compare with each other?
[19:34:42] <rcjsuen> oh, yes i can
[19:34:43] <ijuma> rcjsuen: you can, are you trying to compare more than one file?
[19:34:50] <rcjsuen> but i can't ocmpare with "current'
[19:34:55] <rcjsuen> as in, the file that's on my hard drive
[19:35:10] <ijuma> rcjsuen: right-click on it and then compare with
[19:35:20] <rcjsuen> one sec
[19:35:27] *** benowar has joined #eclipse
[19:35:40] <rcjsuen> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=12745
[19:35:52] <rcjsuen> in CVS I can Compare with self in that context menu
[19:37:09] <ijuma> rcjsuen: yeah, just click on the file itself and then compare with revision
[19:37:09] <rcjsuen> ijuma: yeah, that way works
[19:37:09] <ijuma> rcjsuen: i agree that it would be nice to do it from the history view, but what I said works now ;)
[19:37:09] <rcjsuen> Just wanted to use the History view, but oh well.
[19:37:09] <ijuma> rcjsuen: i'm sure they won't mind patches :)
[19:37:15] <rcjsuen> I'm not up-to-speed on my Team APIs.
[19:39:39] *** __zzz__ has joined #eclipse
[19:41:17] * rcjsuen runs his daily "What bugs were filed against Eclipse today" query.
[19:42:00] *** dave___ has quit IRC
[19:42:36] <dmead> when you configure custom style settings
[19:42:43] <dmead> is there a button somewhere to reformat your existing source?
[19:42:57] <rcjsuen> Ctrl+Shift+F?
[19:43:03] <rcjsuen> context menu > Source > Format?
[19:43:08] <rcjsuen> (assuming you are talking about Java)
[19:43:16] <dmead> yea, java
[19:43:19] <rcjsuen> wow bugzilla is slow, how long could this query get
[19:43:22] <rcjsuen> take, I mean
[19:43:55] *** alcapcom has joined #eclipse
[19:46:21] <rcjsuen> haha, no wonder the query took so long, i used 2007 instead of 2008 ;p
[19:49:41] <dominikg> hmm, shouldn't that be irrelevant? after all, you are looking at a day worth of bugs, if its 2007 or 2008 sql won't care too much...
[19:49:45] <ijuma> rcjsuen: trying to kill bugzilla, eh? ;)
[19:49:54] *** cote has joined #eclipse
[19:50:06] <dominikg> or did you use a 'since' type of query?
[19:50:11] <rcjsuen> yeah
[19:50:22] <rcjsuen> so the returned list took quite a bit of time to render
[19:50:39] <dominikg> better run before denis finds out about it ;)
[19:51:03] <rcjsuen> This wouldn't be a problem if I could just say "Yesterday" and "Now"
[19:51:12] <rcjsuen> But apparently the concept of yesterday cannot be understood.
[19:51:26] <rcjsuen> So every day I go to query.cgi and type in the date by hand.
[19:52:54] *** rejeep has joined #eclipse
[19:53:41] *** Tortoose has quit IRC
[19:53:44] <timothym> I think you can use -1 as meaning yesterday
[19:54:22] <rcjsuen> Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away
[19:55:03] <rcjsuen> timothym: Looks like it works, I wonder if the -1 represents a 24-hour check.
[19:55:38] *** acuster has joined #eclipse
[19:56:07] <timothym> rcjsuen: I hope so... I think it's -1 relative to the current time and date
[19:56:22] <rcjsuen> I guess it wouldn't make sense otherwise.
[19:56:28] <qolo> rcjsuen:  where are you typing these queries ?
[19:56:39] <rcjsuen> Eh?
[19:56:43] <rcjsuen> in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/query.cgi
[19:56:44] <rcjsuen> ?
[19:56:50] <qolo> ahh
[19:56:59] *** robin_ has joined #eclipse
[20:01:13] *** __zzz__ has left #eclipse
[20:04:31] *** robinr has quit IRC
[20:11:40] *** danfg has joined #eclipse
[20:19:37] *** KarlThePagan has joined #eclipse
[20:20:04] *** peter_ has quit IRC
[20:22:23] <ekuleshov_> zx|work: oh, boy. what have you started with that screenshot capturing thingy. :-)
[20:23:31] <zx|work> ekuleshov_: I just want to crop and view images in Eclipse (and not do it in a wizard). Is that too much to ask :)?
[20:25:54] *** ekuleshov_ is now known as ekuleshov
[20:30:15] <ekuleshov> zx|work: not at all. but there is a right time and the right place. :-)
[20:35:29] <zx|work> ekuleshov: well, as long as something gets in, that would be nice. There's time for M5/M6 still.
[20:37:54] <nitind> Isn't M5 UI freeze as usual?
[20:38:00] <zx|work> :(
[20:38:19] <ekuleshov> and it is also the EclipseCon
[20:39:33] <zx|work> ~202160
[20:39:34] <KOS-MOS> See bug 202160 - [Help] Add a feature for the Eclipse help system - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=202160
[20:39:39] <zx|work> That's going to finally happen in M5
[20:39:41] <zx|work> M5 is mid Feb
[20:39:48] <zx|work> I don't remember when M6 is but I think that sounds right :)
[20:39:59] <zx|work> Most committers are working on presentations between M5/M6 which sucks
[20:40:08] <zx|work> and there's going to be an M5a because p2 is going to break something
[20:43:12] <krbarnes> M5 is Feb 8, 2008 I think
[20:44:03] <krbarnes> no word on M5a (or M5eh) yet :-)
[20:51:49] *** m0 has joined #eclipse
[20:52:00] *** m0 has quit IRC
[21:04:00] *** hello__ has joined #eclipse
[21:04:27] <hello__> is clearcase different in use from cvs ?
[21:04:34] *** mr_daniel has joined #eclipse
[21:07:12] <nitind> Oh yeah.
[21:07:32] <hello__> i know cvs. how do you use clearcase
[21:09:25] *** rejeep has quit IRC
[21:09:35] *** zx|cafe has joined #eclipse
[21:15:34] *** hello__ has quit IRC
[21:16:29] *** rahul_ has joined #eclipse
[21:22:42] *** Guildenstern has joined #eclipse
[21:23:57] *** Quentin has joined #eclipse
[21:24:18] <Quentin> hey there :)
[21:24:26] *** Quentin is now known as Quentin`
[21:24:31] <rcjsuen> Hi
[21:24:44] <Quentin`> :)
[21:25:02] <Quentin`> please is there any channel where i could ask a java question ?
[21:25:23] <rcjsuen> ##java?
[21:25:39] <Quentin`> i've tried but we need a password as to enter... :s
[21:25:51] <rcjsuen> You need to register your nickname.
[21:26:01] <Quentin`> oh ok
[21:26:09] <rcjsuen> Quentin`: /msg nickserv help
[21:26:13] <Quentin`> thanks i'm gonna try :)
[21:27:10] *** LionKMP has joined #eclipse
[21:30:08] *** davidk has joined #eclipse
[21:30:18] *** davidk has quit IRC
[21:30:44] *** camokat has joined #eclipse
[21:30:45] *** nemo has joined #eclipse
[21:30:46] <camokat> hello
[21:30:47] <nemo> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.compiler.util.HashtableOfObject
[21:30:51] <nemo> I keep getting this on project open
[21:31:03] <nemo> googling seems that other Ubuntu eclipse users seem to be hitting it too
[21:31:14] <rcjsuen> camokat: Hi
[21:31:16] <nemo> I'm a little short on memory here, but increasing Mx to 384 did not help
[21:31:29] *** zx|cafe has quit IRC
[21:31:30] <camokat> rcjsuen, hey
[21:31:31] <nemo> Anyway, is right on startup when there should be plenty of memory free
[21:31:38] <rcjsuen> ~tell nemo about info
[21:31:39] <KOS-MOS> nemo: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[21:31:51] *** zx|cafe has joined #eclipse
[21:31:53] <nemo> rcjsuen: alrighty :-p
[21:32:50] <rcjsuen> nemo: Did this suddenly start happening?
[21:33:00] <camokat> I have a bit of a problem with a table I am working on. When I create I populate my table with data and V_SCROLL appears, so does the H_SCROLL, even though there is no really need for it. It seems to happen because V_SCROLL takes some space from overall size of the table...
[21:33:12] <camokat> Here are screenshots of what I mean...
[21:33:15] <nemo> rcjsuen: x86, Linux was implied by Ubuntu, Sun 1.6.0.3 JVM... one sec on config details
[21:33:28] <camokat> empty table: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2134/2163920230_4398e69dc1.jpg?v=0
[21:33:29] <nemo> rcjsuen: well, I just recently started using eclipse, but seems to have been happening ever since I started using it
[21:33:49] <camokat> table with data: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2358/2163920236_5ee6e8a65a.jpg?v=0
[21:34:14] <camokat> that H_SCROLL is not needed...
[21:35:25] <nemo> rcjsuen: http://m8y.org/tmp/eclipse.txt
[21:35:28] <rcjsuen> camokat: If you scroll to the right, can you resize your second column so the scrollbar disappears?
[21:35:37] <camokat> rcjsuen, yes
[21:35:40] <nemo> rcjsuen: BTW, I am running Ubuntu inside of virtualbox
[21:35:51] <nemo> rcjsuen: I would *hope* that shouldn't impact the JVM ...
[21:35:55] <rcjsuen> nemo: Let me guess, you downloaded Eclipse from Synaptic/apt-get/whatever.
[21:36:09] <nemo> rcjsuen: absolutely. and yeah, has been annoying in other respects too
[21:36:16] *** MarcWeber has left #eclipse
[21:36:22] <nemo> like plugin installation requiring root due to some !@#$-up or another
[21:36:27] <rcjsuen> If you have problems you need to tell the Ubuntu package maintainers.
[21:36:36] <rcjsuen> Eclipse.org does not handle those packages.
[21:36:43] <nemo> rcjsuen: ah. was hoping perhaps was some known issue with the package...
[21:36:54] <rcjsuen> There might be. I'm not on Ubuntu, so no idea.
[21:37:08] <rcjsuen> You oculd try checking whatever bug system they use.
[21:37:20] *** spekkie has joined #eclipse
[21:37:24] <nemo> frankly, ubuntu devs are arrogant gits. this will be unpleasant.  or at least the ones in #ubuntu-dev were when I tried to justify why rc.local needed a stop section :)
[21:37:43] <nemo> rcjsuen: I tend to put ubuntu on virtualbox due to quick setup
[21:37:54] <rcjsuen> Well, keep trying to talk to them or get Eclipse from eclipse.org.
[21:38:04] <nemo> can retest at home under gentoo where I have both an ubuntu box and a gentoo box with plenty of mem
[21:38:24] <nemo> might have to be the latter. annoying, that's kinda why I like having package management under linux :-/
[21:38:51] *** zx|cafe_ has joined #eclipse
[21:39:30] *** zx|cafe has quit IRC
[21:39:33] *** zx|cafe_ is now known as zx|cafe
[21:39:47] *** sama has quit IRC
[21:39:51] <camokat> rcjsuen, so should I have V_SCROLL as a default when table loads, so that table is sized up as needed?
[21:40:24] <rcjsuen> Sized up?
[21:40:55] <camokat> yeah, the V_SCROLL is taken into consideration when table is first rendered
[21:41:20] <rcjsuen> What is "sized up"
[21:41:38] <camokat> i meant sized
[21:41:53] <camokat> sized is set for the table
[21:41:58] <rcjsuen> What do you mean by "as a default"?
[21:42:08] <rcjsuen> If you don't set the style bit, I don't think the scrollbars appear.
[21:43:01] <camokat> even with style bit it does not. Table is empty initially, and is populated later on. That's when scroll bars appear
[21:43:18] <rcjsuen> Well, yes.
[21:43:36] <rcjsuen> But I mean if you don't put the style bit the bars don't appear if you have more than enough entries, right?
[21:43:42] *** kjkoster5489 has quit IRC
[21:44:28] <camokat> more that enough entries = enough entries for V_SCROLL to appear?
[21:44:45] <rcjsuen> Yes.
[21:44:57] <camokat> right
[21:44:59] <rcjsuen> Can't you just use V_SCROLL instead of using V_SCROLL | H_SCROLL?
[21:45:23] <camokat> Table table = new Table(comp,SWT.CHECK | SWT.BORDER | SWT.V_SCROLL);
[21:45:50] <camokat> that's what I have, and I was thinking that setting V_SCROLL style bit would always add the scroll bar
[21:46:04] <rcjsuen> oh
[21:46:58] <camokat> it seems if table is empty and then populated, the with of the V_SCROLL is taken from overall size of the table rather than added to the size...
[21:48:05] <camokat> unless I'm doing something wrong here and not setting GridData correctly or something
[21:49:29] *** LeVA has quit IRC
[21:50:01] *** ReneP has quit IRC
[21:50:05] <nemo> rcjsuen: not finding any bugs though. perhaps the pool of eclipse users running ubuntu who might notice a silent error to terminal and who are using the ubuntu package is rather small :)
[21:50:10] *** alcapcom has quit IRC
[21:51:36] <LionKMP> hi! I am reading manual (PDT), still I don't get: where are the project files? (one I could open,close..) I created one for my existing project.
[21:52:14] <LionKMP> my project is opening when I start Eclipse, but "close project" "open project" menus are grayed.
[21:53:19] <rcjsuen> LionKMP: Eh? Please take a screenshot.
[21:55:59] <LionKMP> http://hu.wpsnet.com/~lion/eclipse_php.png
[21:57:26] <rcjsuen> I thought we were talking about "project files" and "close project" "open project"
[21:57:41] <rcjsuen> why did you give me a picture of the properties dialog about your project
[21:57:53] <rcjsuen> i want a screenshot of the menu with the disabled menu items
[21:58:10] <LionKMP> I hoped you can tell me where that would locate a "project file". ok, if you want the disabled menus, moment!
[21:58:22] *** ekiczek has joined #eclipse
[21:58:51] <rcjsuen> Where is this PDT manual? What is it even saying
[21:59:37] *** zx|cafe_ has joined #eclipse
[22:00:42] <LionKMP> it is saying a lot of things. quite few about "Projects" however.
[22:01:15] <LionKMP> http://hu.wpsnet.com/~lion/eclipse_php2.png
[22:01:36] *** zx|cafe has quit IRC
[22:01:37] <LionKMP> I hope you understand my question, where is a file to OPEN to "open the project" or "close the project" (if I had 2 for example)
[22:01:47] *** zx|cafe_ is now known as zx|cafe
[22:02:00] <rcjsuen> There is no "file" to open a project.
[22:02:06] <rcjsuen> You select a project in your PHP Explorer.
[22:02:13] <rcjsuen> And then right-click, and then Open Project
[22:02:15] <rcjsuen> or Close Project
[22:03:12] <qolo> PDT sucks, get phpeclipse :P
[22:04:14] *** ReneP has joined #eclipse
[22:05:07] <LionKMP> ah, ok, so that window, what I thought to be just explorer for current project, will list ALL my projects. Great, many thanks!
[22:07:30] *** bingobob has joined #eclipse
[22:08:58] <LionKMP> qolo: why are there 2 eclipse implementations for php developers? I just started discovering eclipse, was using KDevelop so far.
[22:09:21] <qolo> PDT is relatively new, and done by zend, a commerical company
[22:09:26] <qolo> phpeclipse is much older and open source
[22:09:34] <rcjsuen> Because two different groups of people decided to make an implementation.
[22:09:51] *** bingobob has left #eclipse
[22:09:54] <qolo> if you're looking for JUST a php IDE, Zend is as good as it gets w/respect to code completion / refactoring etc
[22:10:29] *** zx|cafe has quit IRC
[22:10:50] *** dsugar100 has quit IRC
[22:13:46] <LionKMP> qolo: ok thanks, maybe I'll also try C++ one (worked in C++ about 10 years ago, forgot it compeltely :-) ) so I'll stay with this until serious missing features.
[22:15:13] <camokat> rcjsuen, re: my problem with the table. If you run this example: http://pastebin.com/m7b7f18c0 on your machine and set height of the shell so that when table loads there is no vertical scroll bar and then start making the table smaller you'll see that vertical scroll horizontal bars appear. You'll see the problem I am talking about.
[22:16:00] <rcjsuen> "vertical scroll horizontal bars"?
[22:16:25] *** ASnyder has joined #eclipse
[22:17:26] <ASnyder> Hey, I'm trying to move to eclipse, and really need a file explorer for certain things. I understand that the project view is the ideal way to go, but certain things require me to be able to navigate through a conventional file explorer. It's a real hassle to always do Open->
[22:17:29] <ASnyder> any ideas?
[22:17:30] <LionKMP> qolo: zend is taking away customers from Zend Studio this way, arent them?
[22:19:13] <dominikg> ASnyder, aptana has a file system explorer i think .. you could use the remote system explorer plugin with localhost aswell i assume.
[22:20:51] <LionKMP> qolo: ignore, I read zend.com and now I see it. :)
[22:20:52] <ASnyder> dominikg: Why would I want to use Aptana? There's no file explorer plugin for Eclipse?
[22:21:28] <ASnyder> ASnyder: I'm using Eclipse for PHP, and like everything, except would love a file explorer
[22:21:35] <rcjsuen> ASnyder: There probably is. The RSE is one solution dominikg suggested.
[22:24:04] *** danbeck has joined #eclipse
[22:26:22] *** sama has joined #eclipse
[22:27:02] <camokat> rcjsuen, vertical and horizontal scroll bars, sorry.
[22:27:09] *** sama has quit IRC
[22:27:38] <LionKMP> thx, bye all!
[22:27:41] *** LionKMP has quit IRC
[22:27:48] *** sama has joined #eclipse
[22:29:06] <ASnyder> Hmm, the RSE seems to only be for C/C++ configurations
[22:29:13] <ASnyder> I get an error when trying to install it
[22:30:21] <rcjsuen> Eh?
[22:30:25] <rcjsuen> ASnyder: Please take a screenshot.
[22:31:58] *** asimismo has joined #eclipse
[22:33:36] *** mo has quit IRC
[22:35:11] <rcjsuen> camokat: I'm not familiar with TableLayout. I suggest you try asking for help on the platform or swt newsgroup.
[22:35:30] <camokat> rcjsuen, ok, thanjs
[22:35:33] <camokat> thanks
[22:36:24] <camokat> rcjsuen, fyi what I am talking about is covered here: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=38242
[22:36:35] <camokat> rcjsuen, just found it
[22:36:55] *** timothym has quit IRC
[22:37:26] <krbarnes> TableLayout is a jface class, platform newsgroup would be the best choice.
[22:40:06] *** d_a_carver has joined #eclipse
[22:40:25] <ASnyder> nevermind, RSE
[22:40:27] <ASnyder> works great
[22:40:31] <ASnyder> thanks for the help
[22:40:44] <ASnyder> the error was due to selecting the c/c++ debugging component
[22:41:04] <rcjsuen> ASnyder: I figured as much.
[22:44:41] *** stp has joined #eclipse
[22:44:47] *** ASnyder has left #eclipse
[22:50:20] *** lonecoder has quit IRC
[22:57:25] *** Guildenstern has quit IRC
[23:07:30] <asimismo> Anybody having trouble installing RCP patches?
[23:07:33] *** shiva has quit IRC
[23:07:34] *** benowar has quit IRC
[23:07:58] <asimismo> (Via the update manager)
[23:07:59] *** fzlogik has joined #eclipse
[23:08:58] *** TodC has quit IRC
[23:11:04] *** hal1 has joined #eclipse
[23:12:54] <rcjsuen> asimismo: icu4j?
[23:13:19] <asimismo> I see from posts that's the beneficiary of patch 1
[23:13:46] <asimismo> I'm trying to install other things that want the patch and the patch complains because of an RCP dependency not being met
[23:13:58] <asimismo> Lots of folks getting it: http://www.eclipsepowered.org/eclipse/forums/m92219746.html
[23:14:13] <asimismo> Messes with my whole install chain
[23:24:44] *** jdolan_ has quit IRC
[23:26:24] *** nyoron has quit IRC
[23:28:05] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[23:28:15] <rcjsuen> I've heard a few complaints, but that was with 403 errors I think.
[23:29:19] *** mindCrime has quit IRC
[23:31:27] *** zx|cafe has joined #eclipse
[23:32:21] *** kirkt has joined #eclipse
[23:32:26] <zx|cafe> sigh
[23:32:36] <rcjsuen> indeed
[23:32:42] *** kab has quit IRC
[23:33:00] <kirkt> hey rcjsuen
[23:33:43] <kirkt> are u using windows usually?
[23:34:14] <rcjsuen> No
[23:34:15] <rcjsuen> Linux
[23:34:22] <kirkt> ah ok
[23:35:21] *** sama has quit IRC
[23:37:20] *** pombreda has quit IRC
[23:39:14] *** zx|cafe has quit IRC
[23:39:27] *** eido has joined #eclipse
[23:45:44] <jimcan> Hello, when I right click on two text files in eclipse and go to Compare With->Each Other it opens up a nice compare window with the open to merge changes...I can't seem to find the code implementation that was used to compare these 2 files
[23:46:04] <jimcan> can someone please point me to where the action is that compares that two files?
[23:47:14] <rcjsuen> put a breakpoint when the editor opens and see what class is beign constructed
[23:47:25] <rcjsuen> from there you can probably diagnose its IEditorInput implementation and figure it out
[23:49:59] *** steegf has joined #eclipse
[23:50:40] *** eidolon has quit IRC
[23:54:16] *** krbarnes has quit IRC
[23:55:00] *** vwegert has quit IRC
[23:55:30] *** Quentin` has left #eclipse
[23:55:41] *** dominikg has quit IRC

top