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[00:43:31] <NET||abuse> Hi all... I've got an install of eclipse on ubuntu gutsy, and i've got some bugs in the pacakge, i tried dpkg --purge remove eclipse and all related packages, then re-installing, even deleteing the ~/.eclipse folder, but for some reason everytime, there are all sorts of misconfigured components in my setup
[00:43:37] <NET||abuse> So ,, how can i repair them?
[00:44:05] <NET||abuse> i've gone into Help->SoftwareUpdates->manage configuration
[00:44:18] <NET||abuse> i'm looking through what i can,
[00:44:27] <NET||abuse> there's icons with red box's with x's in them,
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[00:55:56] <nitind> NET||abuse: You'll have to ask the ubuntu packaging folks.  eclipse.org doesn't provide packages for any distribution themselves.
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[00:57:53] <NET||abuse> nitind, yup, asking in #ubuntu now
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[04:30:41] <daxroc> Is there an equal alternative to pydev / is it worth the licence ?
[04:31:29] <rcjsuen> you mean pydev extensions?
[04:31:40] <rcjsuen> pydev is open source, pydev extensions is not
[04:32:15] <daxroc> oh , I get a pop up every hour or so
[04:32:54] <rcjsuen> hm, dunno
[04:33:05] <rcjsuen> I've only used pydev once, that was a long time ago.
[04:34:24] <rcjsuen> check their bugzilla / mailing list / whatever
[04:34:25] <rcjsuen> or faq
[04:34:31] <rcjsuen> someone must've had the same problem before
[04:36:01] <daxroc> Just learning python atm , I think it would be worth paying
[04:40:01] <daxroc> Thanks for the advice rcjsuen, much appreciated as always. Happy new year
[04:40:51] <rcjsuen> daxroc: sure, good luck, happy new year
[04:43:44] <rcjsuen> daxroc: What does the popup look like?
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[04:55:41] <daxroc> its about licencing pydev - extentions, my bad Thought the were one thing
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[04:57:15] <rcjsuen> daxroc: ah, okay
[04:57:23] <Max_-> Hi, anyone knows of a free (and good) alternative to JFormDesigner?
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[05:09:57] <TruPilot> Happy New Year all! :-)
[05:10:55] <TruPilot> Q: Anyone here know how I can change color schemes in Eclipse so that the default Eclipse background color is black and the foreground color is white?
[05:11:24] <rcjsuen> TruPilot: No easy way AFAIK.
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[05:11:47] <TruPilot> That stinks...
[05:12:26] * TruPilot longs for color schemes in Eclipse
[05:13:50] <TruPilot> rcjsuen: It would be great especially for laptop users like myself running on batteries to conserve power (white is expensive)
[05:14:43] <TruPilot> Do you happen to know if anyone has filed a feature request for that?
[05:15:36] <rcjsuen> Possibly. We get black/white questions "pretty often".
[05:17:33] <rcjsuen> I use a dark background for my terminal and gVim but use the standard white on Eclipse personally.
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[06:59:59] <Max_-> Hi, anyone knows of a free (and good) alternative to JFormDesigner?
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[08:55:04] <Dewi> I am new to eclipse with PDT
[08:55:16] <Dewi> upon adding some files to a project it is complaining about errors in the HTML
[08:55:44] <Dewi> while this in a way quite cool, it's complaining about files that are just for reference and not part of the build - is there a way to exclude files from this scanning?
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[09:07:38] <reinis> why does it have to be so ridiculously hard to install web tools
[09:10:16] <reinis> if you try to use the updates manager, you get various dependancy errors, and there's no "this is the simplest way to just install web tools" guide on the website
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[09:18:57] <Dewi> reinis:
[09:19:23] <Dewi> heh my clipboard appears to be broken
[09:20:01] <Dewi> reinis: http://wiki.eclipse.org/PDT/Installation
[09:20:08] <Dewi> reinis: section 3
[09:20:21] <reinis> what is PDT?
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[09:21:04] <Dewi> reinis: well that's the PHP bit. It relies on the base web tools stuff, and the dependancies resolve correctly for me as long as 'Europa Discovery' is ticked and I expand the node
[09:21:23] <Dewi> reinis: but I'm a complete newbie; this may or may not be relevant to what you're after
[09:21:28] <reinis> meh
[09:21:32] <reinis> no, nvm
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[09:30:41] <Dewi> re: my question, nevermind as well - I'll just rename contentious files
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[09:54:48] <legendi|work> re
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[10:17:43] <Carnage\> How can I get a java.io.File for the runtime folder of my eclipse app?
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[10:23:17] <maitscha> hi! what is the context-id of "editing text" ?
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[10:23:57] <dominikg> Carnage\ new File(); ?
[10:24:03] <maitscha> ok, textEditorScope
[10:31:33] <Carnage\> dominikg: You sure? :>
[10:32:19] <Carnage\> The constructor File() is undefined
[10:33:14] <dominikg> oh, sorry.. i'm still halfways asleep... try new File("");
[10:33:27] <Carnage\> Alright, I'm trying, thanks
[10:34:36] <legendi|work> Carnage\: what runtime folder are you searching for? for the workspace root?
[10:35:00] <Carnage\> Yeah, sorry for having been vague
[10:35:03] <legendi|work> check out this: http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform/msg34417.html
[10:35:33] <Carnage\> Thanks!
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[10:36:42] <maitscha> hi! is there an key-configuration for a plain rcp-app?
[10:40:10] <legendi|work> maitscha: key configuration?
[10:42:09] <maitscha> yes, a pre-defined key-schema
[10:42:43] <maitscha> the defaultAcceleratorConfiguration has all the editor-stuff, which is not necessary for rcp-apps
[10:43:53] <maitscha> or does it not depend on the schema?
[10:45:08] <maitscha> i'm trying to get the key-acceleration working for an action which is provided by an ActionContributor...
[10:45:32] <maitscha> do I have to create my own context?
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[10:59:25] <kirkt> is there any way to access the user's details from my plugin? like the class templates that enters the @Author javadoc knows the username ?
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[11:09:37] <nitind> kirkt: It's just the user.name property, see http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/lang/System.html#getProperties()
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[11:11:28] <kirkt> thanks nitind
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[11:11:43] <jogla> Hello
[11:11:50] <nitind> Carnage\: You might want to look at the user.dir property as well.
[11:12:17] <jogla> I have a problems with Eclipse 3.3, it crashes serveral times a day
[11:12:56] <jogla> for example with permGenSpace errors or like 5 minutes ago, it just closes the window and is done
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[11:13:14] <jogla> I use the EE Fall 2 Version
[11:13:59] <nitind> With which JRE?
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[11:15:24] <jogla> 1.5 and 1.6
[11:15:35] <jogla> I tried the latest version of both
[11:19:04] <jogla> I use tomcat 6 as java ee server, tomcat keeps mostly running after the eclipse crashed
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[11:19:41] <nvictor> hello all
[11:19:46] <nvictor> happy new year
[11:19:59] <nvictor> I'm pretty new to eclipse, and I would like your help
[11:20:29] <nvictor> a friend and me are doing a project and we needed a port monitor and he said that one came with eclipse
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[11:20:56] <nvictor> I have downloaded the java bundle, but I know near to nothing about java and the platform, how do I run the port monitor?
[11:21:09] <kirkt> what port monitor?
[11:21:12] <kirkt> network?
[11:21:15] <nvictor> yes
[11:21:21] <nvictor> network port monitor he said
[11:21:27] <kirkt> download sharkwire
[11:21:32] <nvictor> ok
[11:21:37] <kirkt> or wireshark
[11:21:57] <nvictor> it's wireshark :)
[11:22:02] <nvictor> google knows everything
[11:22:09] <kirkt> yes, formerly known as ethereal
[11:22:20] <nvictor> oh
[11:22:28] <nvictor> ethereal changed name?
[11:22:33] <nvictor> I knew it
[11:22:42] <kirkt> this is network analysis tool, if you just need to watch open ports on windows, get tcpview
[11:22:55] <nvictor> roger :)
[11:24:42] <njbartlett> ~tell jogla about permgen
[11:24:42] <KOS-MOS> jogla: Having permgen problems? Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I.27m_having_memory.2C_heap.2C_or_permgen_problems.2C_what_can_I_do.3F and http://eclipsenuggets.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-your-eclipse-3.html
[11:25:38] <nvictor> kirkt: if I want to learn java later, the java bundle is the one to get right?
[11:26:09] <kirkt> im not sure what you mean by 'the java bundle'
[11:26:33] <jogla> Yes, but PermGen is only one of the reasons for the crashes
[11:26:34] <kirkt> but if you need this project done in java, and it involves tcp/ip analysing, yea, get the eclipse version your friend was talking about
[11:26:50] <jogla> I will make some screenshots the next time i lose my eclipse
[11:26:59] <nvictor> no I mean I want to learn Java
[11:27:20] <nvictor> there were several bundle of eclipse on the website
[11:27:48] <kirkt> nvictor: start by compiling from command line and writing in a simple editor. after a couple days you can move to an IDE
[11:28:08] <nvictor> You are right :)
[11:28:17] <kirkt> nvictor: you cant be a good driver unless you know a bit of motoring
[11:28:31] <nvictor> hehehe
[11:28:58] <nvictor> thanks, see you soon
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[11:31:58] <dominikg> ~tell jogla about logs
[11:31:58] <KOS-MOS> jogla: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[11:32:13] <dominikg> maybe you can find something relevant in there aswell
[11:33:00] <kirkt> i want to create a plugin (not RCP app) for demonstration purposes, for a simple 'Paint'. a canvas, eraser, and a pen, and an option to save the drawing. is there something to help me get started or do i need to write such a thing from scratch?
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[11:33:48] <nitind> You might want to look into GEF, the Graphical Editing Framework, http://eclipse.org/gef.
[11:35:10] <kirkt> thanks, actually this UML diagramming thing is cool. i can get an instance of it through my own plugin code?
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[11:36:19] <nitind> *shrug* No idea what you're talking about.
[11:36:47] <kirkt> http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-GEF-Draw2d/GEF-Draw2d.html
[11:38:06] <kirkt> ah. no, thats just for drawing primitives. maybe i should look for an already existing drawing plugins
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[11:39:20] <nitind> nvictor: You can learn Java with an IDE if you want.  Don't let anyone strongarm you into any particular way of doing it.
[11:39:41] <nvictor> nitind: gotcha
[11:40:06] <nvictor> kirkt: tell me, how do I configure the tcpview you are talking about?
[11:40:19] <kirkt> define 'configure' ?
[11:40:48] <nvictor> yes
[11:40:53] <nvictor> how do I do that?
[11:40:57] <kirkt> i mean, what do u want to configure
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[12:04:24] <kirkt> is this good in order to get the statusbar, so i could write a message to it? http://rafb.net/p/6SZTjW67.html
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[12:30:30] <kirkt> is there a way to make a message periodically blink at the statusbar? perhaps add my own component there?
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[12:46:46] <kirkt> anyone ?\
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[12:56:01] <paulweb515_> kirkt: in 3.3 you can add your own control to the status bar using org.eclipse.ui.menus extension point.  otherwise you can only do it when your part is active: ... getViewSite().getActionBars().getStatusLineManager() (and similar off of getEditorSite())
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[13:08:44] <kirkt> thanks paulweb515_ you saved me some time
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[13:26:46] <jgoo> Re: Clay eclipse plugin - if you've used it, would you say it is the best erd / ddl generator, and does it run on linux? (they say unsupported)
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[13:27:15] <jgoo> for bonus points - have you found anything better for superslick schema modelling (I used to use fabforce dbdesigner, which was okay... ish...)
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[13:49:04] <rcjsuen> reinis: What version of Eclipse are you using? The easiest way to get a feel for web tools is to probably download the all-in-one build.
[13:50:15] <kirkt> what does 'widget is disposed' usually mean?
[13:51:10] <rcjsuen> It means disposed / destroyed / unrecoverable.
[13:51:21] <rcjsuen> system resources have been recollected, it is dead
[13:51:45] <kirkt> yet i can still look at it ?
[13:51:50] <rcjsuen> Look?
[13:52:02] <rcjsuen> How do you define "look".
[13:52:26] <kirkt> ive added a label to the status bar, and i'm trying to update it with events. i can clearly see it now, just when an asynchronous event tries to update it, i get that its disposed
[13:54:00] <rcjsuen> Does the label disappear immediately afterwards?
[13:54:19] <kirkt> no, its still there, after several such exceptions
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[13:56:27] <rcjsuen> pastebin you code
[13:56:46] <kirkt> http://rafb.net/p/YLegPF31.html
[13:58:25] <rcjsuen> How are you updating this, what is the stack trace
[13:58:58] <kirkt> i'm letting this object implement Observer, and i get a reference to a global subject, which sends updates, in this item's ctor
[13:59:16] <kirkt> i've removed it for clarity of the example
[14:00:34] <kirkt> i'll paste the full code, sec.
[14:01:51] <kirkt> http://rafb.net/p/zShXw135.html
[14:03:12] <kirkt> exception is when update gets called, as you might guess
[14:03:35] <kirkt> says _status is disposed
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[14:04:04] <rcjsuen> hm, I dunno, haven't used databinding
[14:08:37] <kirkt> ive set a listener, it seems the label is disposed before eclipse even shows the window
[14:09:33] <rcjsuen> kirkt: but you see "stopped" in the status bar?
[14:10:34] <kirkt> yes
[14:10:54] <rcjsuen> Well, if it was disposed you shouldn't be able to see it.
[14:11:10] <kirkt> i still see it :)
[14:11:15] <kirkt> maybe it makes a copy of the control
[14:11:41] <rcjsuen> Unlikely. I'm not even sure how you would clone a control.
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[14:17:08] <kirkt> well, the control is clearly there, even if i rearrange the statusbar
[14:17:21] <kirkt> and it is clearly disposed since i've added a DisposeListener on it
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[14:28:58] <reinis> rcjsuen: the classic one, but it's alright now
[14:29:43] <rcjsuen> reinis: I see. When you were trying to install web tools, did you try click on 'Select Required'?
[14:30:05] <reinis> later I did
[14:30:13] <rcjsuen> reinis: I see.
[14:30:30] <paulweb515_> kirkt: any control added to the status bar can be created and disposed many times ... i.e. if you are updating the label from somewhere else, you will need to keep the label current.
[14:31:17] <kirkt> paulweb515_: how do i keep the label current ?
[14:31:45] <reinis> although I did it in the europa update site, not sure if it'd have helped only with the wdt's one
[14:32:02] <rcjsuen> reinis: Using the Europa update site is the way most people do it.
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[14:32:50] <reinis> nice, now if only the wdt download page would tell you that...
[14:33:16] <ketan> Could someone help me jaunch a 'Junit plugiin test' in a non-UI thread ?
[14:33:26] <rcjsuen> reinis: You mean on your first try you were using the wtp update site?
[14:33:40] <rcjsuen> ketan: tell it to launch as headless i guess
[14:33:41] <reinis> yes
[14:34:00] <rcjsuen> reinis: Well, the webpage does tell you about its required dependencies.
[14:34:05] <ketan> Rcjsuen: I want to run UI tests in a non-ui thread.
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[14:34:30] <rcjsuen> reinis: "These are the prerequisites project packages to run the Web Tools Platform. They must be downloaded and installed before WTP can be installed or used."
[14:34:47] <rcjsuen> They do not expect those packages to magically appear during the installation process.
[14:34:58] <rcjsuen> The page states that they expect it to be there.
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[14:35:20] <ketan> Rcjsuen: it seems I'll basically need to rewrite/copy/paste the pde junit launcher to launch my own application that launches eclipse and runs the UI tests in a non-ui thread.
[14:37:01] <ketan> Azoff: ping..
[14:37:05] <ketan> Zx|work: ping..
[14:37:14] <nitind> ketan: Except you can't run UI tests in a non-ui thread.
[14:37:21] <ketan> Hmm...
[14:37:30] <rcjsuen> Yes, there's that minor technicality.
[14:37:59] <rcjsuen> Any manipulating of SWT controls requires that they are done in the correct UI thread.
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[14:38:22] <ketan> Not quite, I'm running a SWT testing framework (swtbot.org) that runs executes in a non-ui thread, and does display.syncExec() or display.asyncExec()
[14:38:51] <rcjsuen> That's because the enqueued Runnable gets invoked on the UI thread.
[14:39:13] <ketan> Yes.
[14:40:23] <ketan> Basically SWTBot does not want to run on the UI thread, because the actual listeners may block the UI when I click on a button, for e.g. which would block the test.
[14:40:42] <ketan> So SWTBot runs in a separate thread, and posts events on the display queue.
[14:40:59] <ketan> Or waits on the display thread to query the UI in any way.
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[14:42:23] <nitind> ketan: So the next question is do you mean launching it from the workbench or from outside of the workbench?
[14:42:48] <ketan> Nitind: I mean to launch it from the workbench.
[14:42:49] <reinis> rcjsuen: right, I missed it
[14:43:23] <reinis> although it does appear in a crowded subpage that you don't see if you try to use the updates site
[14:43:42] <reinis> if you open this: http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
[14:43:49] <nitind> ketan: Then I don't understand what you're trying to do that's different from what's already there.
[14:43:56] <reinis> one of the first things it gives you is the updates site link
[14:44:05] <rcjsuen> reinis: "This Web Tools Platform update site does assume you have all the pre-reqs installed."
[14:44:09] <rcjsuen> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/updates/
[14:44:22] <reinis> right, okay
[14:44:23] <ketan> Nitind: let me roll back a bit.
[14:44:26] <rcjsuen> nitind: Nitin, looks like that link needs to be updated, since it still says Callisto.
[14:44:40] <nitind> rcjsuen: What link?
[14:44:41] <rcjsuen> er, i should say, "only says Callisto", as Callisto is still valid
[14:44:45] <rcjsuen> nitind: that one http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/updates/
[14:45:00] <nitind> rcjsuen: Bug report, I can't change things on the build pages, only the releng team.
[14:45:13] <rcjsuen> reinis: Thank you for pointing this page out though as we have found an alternate error.
[14:45:43] <reinis> although I still think that it should give you the exact steps to install wdt, not a puzzle to solve
[14:46:09] <ketan> Nitind: I have a swt test framework, SWTBot, that _requires_ SWBot to run in a non-ui thread, running tests in the UI thread, may cause things to break because some UI actions may be blocking.
[14:46:12] <nitind> reinis: Anyway, the Callisto/Europa Discovery site that should already be selectable in your 3.2.x/3.3.x build has everything needed for WTP as long as you hit the "select required" checkbox.
[14:46:13] <rcjsuen> reinis: Feel free to file a bug report.
[14:46:33] <ketan> Nitind: examples of such blocking events are blocking dialogs.
[14:46:42] <nitind> ketan: Maybe I'm overlooking the obvious, but doesn't SWTBot say how to do this, then?
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[14:47:15] <rcjsuen> reinis: Was the Eclipse Help link not very useful?
[14:47:22] <ketan> Nitind: I'm sorry, but I did not understand your last statement.
[14:47:22] <reinis> I'm filing it here in irc, lol
[14:47:37] <nitind> If it's not in Bugzilla, it doesn't exist.
[14:47:47] <rcjsuen> nitind: ouch ;)
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[14:48:05] <reinis> you're an irc bug denialist then
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[14:48:21] <nitind> ketan: What does SWTBot's documentation say?  Does it mention how to correctly use it from within the workbench?
[14:48:38] <ketan> Nitind: there's no documentation, I'm writing SWTBot.
[14:48:40] <ketan> :)
[14:48:45] <rcjsuen> reinis: well, as you saw from my conversation with nitind, neither of the two of us has the power to change the website, so telling us does not really do anything :p
[14:48:57] <nitind> reinis: I'm a realist and a pragmatist.  The only way to ensure that a bug is fixed to your satisfaction is to report it yourself or fix it yourself.  Otherwise you might be out of the loop.
[14:49:23] <reinis> naturally, I know that
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[14:49:57] <rcjsuen> ~214107
[14:49:58] <KOS-MOS> See bug 214107 - Update site webpage does not mention Europa - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=214107
[14:50:14] <rcjsuen> Well, that was easy.
[14:50:59] <reinis> yay
[14:51:14] <nitind> ketan: Ah.  Then you probably want dig into the source for the current launcher for plug-in tests, or for Eclipse applications in general.
[14:51:15] <reinis> see, nitind, whining in irc did help
[14:51:15] <rcjsuen> reinis: That's my bug, not your bug.
[14:51:22] <ketan> Nitind: :)
[14:51:30] <reinis> yes, but I got him to file it
[14:51:35] <reinis> *you
[14:51:41] <rcjsuen> reinis: No, because I didn't mention your problem.
[14:51:52] <nitind> reinis: Unless you're CCed on it, <spooky>you'll never know if it gets fixed.</spooky>
[14:52:43] <rcjsuen> I merely brought up the Callisto/Europa issue I was talking about and told them to point at 3.3's help instead of 3.2's.
[14:52:56] <rcjsuen> If you find the documentation in the 'Eclipse Help' link insufficient for your needs, you should let them know.
[14:53:07] <ketan> Nitind: So I digged into the source for PDE's junit launch configuration and it seems I'll need to copy all the code, and tweak some stuff in there, to provide for launching my own application, I was just wondering if there's a better way.
[14:53:31] <rcjsuen> ketan: I find it highly unlikely.
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[14:54:32] <ketan> rcjsuen: do you mean that a 'better way to do this' is highly unlikely ?
[14:54:33] <nitind> ketan: There are APIs for launching standard Java applications, but I don't think there's been a big demand for APIs launching Eclipse applications (or exposing the PDE launchers).
[14:54:49] <kirkt> rcjsuen: i eventually used a deprecated way of adding to a trim using  AbstractWorkbenchTrimWidget =\
[14:54:53] <ketan> nitind: perhaps I need to file a bug then :)
[14:55:15] <rcjsuen> You're welcome to do so.
[14:55:18] <ketan> nitind: on the bugzilla of course ;)
[14:56:00] <ketan> but does it seem to make sense to file this bug, given that I'm perhaps the only guy having such an *arcane* requirement ?
[14:56:24] <nitind> Only one way to find out.
[14:56:48] <rcjsuen> nooooo, my line
[14:58:07] <ketan> alright, I'll file an esoteric bug request, then, let's see what the PDE-UI guys have to say about it.
[14:58:32] <ketan> nitind, rcjsuen: thanks a ton for all your help.
[14:58:53] <rcjsuen> I didn't really do anything, but okay.
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[14:59:24] <ketan> nitind, rcjsuen: Here's some screencasts in case you want to see what SWTBot is about: http://swtbot.sourceforge.net/wiki/Screencasts
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[15:05:12] <kirkt> cant i subclass a Label?
[15:05:39] <rcjsuen> You can but it's discouraged, per the API specification.
[15:05:50] <kirkt> Exception in thread "Thread-1" org.eclipse.swt.SWTException: Subclassing not allowed
[15:06:09] <rcjsuen> That's one way of telling you to not do so. ;)
[15:06:32] <rcjsuen> ~tell kirkt about api Widget#checkSubclass()
[15:06:32] <KOS-MOS> kirkt: Widget#checkSubclass - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Widget.html#checkSubclass()
[15:06:54] <rcjsuen> Proceed at your own risk.
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[15:11:58] <kirkt> finally i've got it.
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[15:18:32] <kirkt> ooooh this is so cool :D
[15:19:12] <kirkt> rcjsuen whats the alternative to subclassing Label though ?
[15:19:46] <rcjsuen> You could try using CLabel I guess. I don't really know why someone would want to subclass a Label though.
[15:20:43] <kirkt> i want to create a component, which functions as a label but which is also observer for data binding
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[15:22:54] <nitind> kirkt: Maybe a factory that creates Labels wired as needed?
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[15:29:45] <lnxnt> hi everyone
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[15:32:18] <kirkt> nitind: yes, thats an option.
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[15:33:01] <kirkt> nitind: i would have to create a new object which delegates to the label.
[15:33:10] <kirkt> this is just like subclassing the label
[15:33:37] <kirkt> and actually the same wiring up, is performed at  createControl(Composite parent)
[15:34:43] <MGalaxy> I want to work with both C++ and Java on Eclipse, do u recommend me to have two eclipse folders separately or merge them (C++ and J2EE) ?
[15:36:33] * kirkt uses separate folders
[15:37:31] <dominikg> MGalaxy, you can use one eclipse installation with different sets of plugins
[15:37:40] <dominikg> ~tell MGalaxy about manage
[15:37:40] <KOS-MOS> MGalaxy: Manage your Eclipse environment - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ecl-manage/
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[15:43:10] <ketan> is there a way to get a list of all applications available for launching ?
[15:43:51] <ketan> I created an o.e.c.runtime.application, but do not see this application in the launch config of the runtime workspace.
[15:44:05] <ketan> although I see the application in the development workbench.
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[15:49:11] <lnxnt> I get this error log http://phpfi.com/286391 when I start an eclipse application
[15:51:08] <lnxnt> it seems as if binary plugin projects in the host workbench effect plugins in the runtime workbench and I want to know why that is
[15:51:39] <MGalaxy> dominikg: thx
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[15:56:33] <nitind> lnxnt: Check your launch configuration.  You have full control over what the mix is when you launch something from the workbench.
[15:57:45] <rcjsuen> kirkt: you could always just generate delegate methods, that's easy
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[15:59:04] <rcjsuen> ketan: what you see in a dev workspace does not reflect what you will see in the runtime workspace
[15:59:13] <ketan> ouch.
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[16:00:00] <ketan>  rcjsuen: then how do I make my application visible in the runtime workspace ?
[16:00:43] <rcjsuen> dunno, never had a need
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[16:01:01] <rcjsuen> If the problem you are seeing is what I think it is, there's a bug on it.
[16:02:17] <ketan>  rcjsuen: then how do you guys use the applications, given that you also do the same.
[16:02:57] <rcjsuen> Eh?
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[16:03:48] <ketan>  rcjsuen: do you never launch applications in your runtime workspace ?
[16:04:02] <rcjsuen> Applications like what
[16:04:12] <rcjsuen> No, I do not launch a second Eclipse, and then launch a third Eclipse from that second Eclipse.
[16:04:38] <ketan>  rcjsuen: that explains :)
[16:04:52] <rcjsuen> I have no such need.
[16:05:32] <ketan>  rcjsuen: I'm sure someone would have had to do it when they wrote the applications in the first place.
[16:05:49] <rcjsuen> Sure, that's why it's an old bug.
[16:06:07] <ketan>  rcjsuen: is there an existing bug against this ?
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[16:06:20] <ketan>  rcjsuen: I'm just searching the bugzilla for this.
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[16:10:06] <rcjsuen> ~109137
[16:10:07] <KOS-MOS> See bug 109137 - Support compiling runtime workspace plugins against the launching workspace's plugins - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=109137
[16:11:07] <zx|work> great, come back to a new year and that's the first bug I see ;)
[16:12:08] <ketan> whoa. that's an old bug.
[16:13:02] <rcjsuen> Well, I did say it was old.
[16:13:44] <ketan> Any way I can get around it ?
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[16:14:17] <ketan> I don't want to fix this bug to get my stuff running, although I'd like to make a contribution later.
[16:16:01] <zx|work> I generally would do 2 workspaces, exporting plug-ins from one target to the other when you want to use new code... it's painful
[16:16:34] <zx|work> hopefully in 3.4 we will see 109137 addressed. EFS added supported for creating hidden folders which will probably be used to deal with the jar issue
[16:17:06] <ketan> ouch.
[16:17:47] <zx|work> The EMF guys have scripts in place to help with their development but I don't know how that works, they do something fancy.
[16:18:13] <ketan> anyone from emf on irc ?
[16:18:41] <zx|work> try #eclipse-modeling
[16:18:48] <ketan> thx
[16:19:20] <ketan> hehe :) that channel is almost empty :)
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[16:31:08] <ketan> zx|work: thx, exporting the plugin worked.
[16:32:00] <Azoff> ketan: yes?
[16:32:27] <ketan> Azoff: pinged you by mistake, I wanted to type zx, but typed az instead. apologies.
[16:32:43] <Azoff> ketan: ahh, no problem :-)
[16:33:03] <Azoff> I'll enter my coma again then ;-)
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[16:41:21] <simmerz> why do i keep getting out of memory errors in eclipse?
[16:41:44] <qolo> ~PermGen
[16:41:51] <qolo> ~out of memory
[16:41:56] <qolo> ahh forget it
[16:42:04] <rcjsuen> ~memory
[16:42:05] <KOS-MOS> Having memory problems? Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I.27m_having_memory.2C_heap.2C_or_permgen_problems.2C_what_can_I_do.3F and http://eclipsenuggets.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-your-eclipse-3.html
[16:42:40] <dominikg> hmm, i thought permgen worked a few houers ago... is KOS-MOS case-sensitive?
[16:43:01] <dominikg> ~permgen
[16:43:02] <KOS-MOS> Having permgen problems? Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I.27m_having_memory.2C_heap.2C_or_permgen_problems.2C_what_can_I_do.3F and http://eclipsenuggets.blogspot.com/2007/10/does-your-eclipse-3.html
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[16:44:19] <PaveH> I have built a static library (liboded.a), how can I link this library to be available in my project in Eclipse CDT?
[16:44:41] <rcjsuen> dominikg: unfortunately, yes
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[16:48:04] <dob1> hi, it is possible on eclipse to share on a cvs server only the src directory?
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[16:48:48] <dob1> and then import it on a new existing project?
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[16:52:25] <nitind> You could try just committing the src folder, adding everything else into the .cvsignore.  Otherwise, no.
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[16:53:28] <ecfuser89028> #
[16:53:33] <dob1> nitind, ok but when how can i import the src folder into an existing project?
[16:53:34] <rcjsuen> or just commit the source folder and leave the rest alone
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[16:53:52] <dob1> *then
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[16:58:24] <nitind> dob1: You check out its parent folder on the server.  You really should commit the .project and .classpath files as well, though.
[16:58:45] <nitind> dob1: Into an existing project?  You can't.
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[16:59:23] <dob1> nitind, oh ok then
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[17:10:38] <gebi> how do i create the javadoc files from my project in eclipse?
[17:11:16] <rcjsuen> Project > Generate?
[17:11:43] <gebi> there is no project >generate :(
[17:12:09] <rcjsuen> gebi: What perspective are you in
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[17:12:28] <rcjsuen> Well I see it right there. Project > Generate Javadoc...
[17:12:57] <gebi> don't know?
[17:13:04] <lnxnt> what are workspace plugins and what are target platform plugins in the launch configuration?
[17:13:14] <rcjsuen> gebi: top right corner
[17:13:34] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: workspace is the ones in the workspace and target platform is whatever's specified as a target platform in the preferences?
[17:13:56] <gebi> rcjsuen: oh, i was in ressource, went to java, now it's there
[17:14:50] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: ok, why can't I abondon workspace plugins? I decheck everything and then add required plugins and still get errors
[17:15:14] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: just make a new one and unselect the workspace ones
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[17:16:27] <gebi> rcjsuen: nice, it works now :)
[17:17:45] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: then org.eclipse.sdk is missing
[17:17:50] <rcjsuen> gebi: I would hope so.
[17:18:06] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: What are you on, 3.2?
[17:18:10] <gebi> how do i move all tests to an own subdirectory?
[17:18:27] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: no, 3.3.1.1
[17:18:28] <gebi> eg. sourcen are in src/, .class files in bin/, and tests would be nice in tests/
[17:18:33] <gebi> or is this uncommon in java?
[17:18:40] <rcjsuen> gebi: Then make a new source folder and move the classes there.
[17:19:07] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: Please take a screenshot of your Plug-ins tab.
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[17:19:59] <lnxnt> rcjsuen: ok, which one? host workbench or runtime workbench?
[17:20:16] <rcjsuen> The Plug-ins tab of the launch configuration.
[17:20:21] <rcjsuen> Your runtime workbench won't even launch I thought.
[17:20:25] <gebi> rcjsuen: yea, tried that allready, then eclipse deletes the package spec out of the file
[17:20:49] <rcjsuen> gebi: So create a package in the tests folder and move it there?
[17:21:00] <rcjsuen> Just use the context menu on your classes
[17:21:04] <rcjsuen> Refactor > Move
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[17:23:34] <NET||abuse> hey guys.. i'm trying to add aptana community edition as a plugin, and when i do the method of connecting through the Find and Install updates method (adding the 3.2 url xml file) it won't load,,
[17:23:55] <rcjsuen> ~tell NET||abuse about info
[17:23:56] <KOS-MOS> NET||abuse: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[17:24:48] <NET||abuse> ubuntu gutsy
[17:25:07] <NET||abuse> i686
[17:25:12] <NET||abuse> 2.6.22
[17:25:34] <lnxnt> rcjsuen http://aycu36.webshots.com/image/40435/2002635924814840091_rs.jpg
[17:26:02] <gebi> rcjsuen: hmm ok, done that and corrected the removed package, but now svn only lists the added file, not a rename or a delete of the old location
[17:26:03] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: Why aren't you selecting all of the target platform plug-ins?
[17:26:04] <NET||abuse> java version "1.5.0" gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.2.1 (Ubuntu 4.2.1-5ubuntu5)
[17:26:17] <rcjsuen> ~tell NET||abuse about gcj
[17:26:17] <KOS-MOS> NET||abuse: GCJ is not officially supported by Eclipse as a Java runtime environment. Please talk with your distribution's packaging team and/or the GCJ team for assistance. To run Eclipse with a different JVM, see: http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#I_just_installed_Eclipse_on_Linux.2C_but_it_does_not_start._What_is_the_problem.3F
[17:26:29] <rcjsuen> gebi: I don't know how to have SVN invoke rename/move/whatever properly.
[17:26:43] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: What happens when you click 'Add Required Plug-ins'?
[17:26:52] <NET||abuse> KOS-MOS, well my eclipse is starting up no problem,, just throws exception downloading the aptana plugin?
[17:27:20] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: Where did you get Eclipse
[17:27:28] <NET||abuse> gutsy packaged version
[17:27:46] <NET||abuse> eclipse 3.2.2
[17:27:49] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: Well, you'll have to get help from Ubuntu.
[17:28:10] <rcjsuen> Eclipse.org does not manage those packages.
[17:28:21] <NET||abuse> it's going to be a fairly simple fix, this is a clean default eclipse install with no previous fiddling being done
[17:28:33] <NET||abuse> unless the aptana package is borked on their site :(
[17:28:40] <NET||abuse> anyone care to test the download?
[17:28:41] <rcjsuen> It could be.
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[17:29:24] <rcjsuen> We don't know what Ubuntu does during the packaging phase and we do not know the stability of GCJ. So when users come here with problems, we pretty much always tell them to try a supported JRE and get Eclipse from eclipse.org.
[17:29:39] <rcjsuen> 3.2.2 is also almost a year old.
[17:30:59] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: What won't load, the update site?
[17:32:25] <lnxnt> rcjsuen ah yes - selecting all target platform plugins worked...why didn't i thing about that.. ;)
[17:32:44] <rcjsuen> <rcjsuen> lnxnt: just make a new one and unselect the workspace ones
[17:32:47] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: That is what I meant.
[17:35:28] <NET||abuse> rcjsuen, no, the first aptana jar file
[17:35:45] <rcjsuen> NetAffect: mm, please elaborate
[17:35:55] <NET||abuse> rcjsuen, com.aptana.ide.feature_1.0.2.004323_p1.jar
[17:36:07] <rcjsuen> What about it
[17:36:15] <rcjsuen> Please define "won't load".
[17:36:45] <NET||abuse> the message is "An exception occured while downloading feature from "http://update.aptana.com/update/3.2/features/com.aptana.ide.feature_1.0.2.004323_p1.jar"
[17:37:27] <rcjsuen> i see
[17:37:36] <gebi> rcjsuen: thx, i've done it, just moved the file in my lokal git repos and mad an svn up in eclipse
[17:37:42] <NET||abuse> So this is when you add the xml file to the remote site list, it adds aptana, then you select the aptana components, then it tries to download the jar files and it fails.
[17:37:45] <rcjsuen> gebi: I see.
[17:37:50] <gebi> seems eclipse doesn't really understand my intentions *g*
[17:38:16] <rcjsuen> gebi: Well, file a bug report to the Subversion plug-in team.
[17:38:52] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: Dunno, you could browse around the forums to see if someone else is having that problem or try using Eclipse from eclipse.org and a supported JRE.
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[17:39:39] <NET||abuse> does the ubuntu package maybe override the jre being used?
[17:39:48] <NET||abuse> i'll just check the launcher here..
[17:40:23] <NET||abuse> hmm, seemingly not,, just direct link to /usr/bin/eclipse
[17:40:46] <gebi> rcjsuen: i didn't even get eclipse to execute my java quick hacks in branches/playground
[17:40:54] <gebi> i've given up about eclipse :-/
[17:41:48] <rcjsuen> gebi: Very well. If you are unable to file any meaningful bug reports or enhancement requests to help the Eclipse community, so be it. Best of luck to the development of your project and the alternate tools you will be using for such an endeavour.
[17:42:10] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: I seem t obe downloading the jars just fine.
[17:42:11] <NET||abuse> anyway to tell which JRE eclipse is using from within the system?
[17:42:19] <rcjsuen> ~jre
[17:42:19] <KOS-MOS> Please verify your Java runtime environment - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#How_do_I_find_out_which_Java_runtime_environment_is_being_used_to_run_my_Eclipse.3F
[17:42:22] <NET||abuse> rcjsuen, yeh, i downloaded the jar in firefox no problem
[17:42:52] <NET||abuse> rcjsuen, but the plugin downloader just fails.. do you want to try adding the aptana plugin and see what happens?
[17:43:01] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: That is what I am doing.
[17:43:06] <NET||abuse> ohhhh,,
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[17:43:13] <gebi> rcjsuen: i'm trying to ask my lokal eclipse mate to get some meanings out of eclipse
[17:43:22] <NET||abuse> rcjsuen, ok,, i'll get the JRE forced to the correct version...
[17:43:23] <rcjsuen> gebi: So be it.
[17:44:11] <gebi> hope i can make some meaningful bugreports in a few days, currently they would be not that helpfull
[17:44:18] <gebi> rcjsuen: thx for help :)
[17:44:23] <rcjsuen> gebi: Best of luck.
[17:45:36] <NET||abuse> hmm, what is the package i need to use in "sudo dpkg-reconfigure [package]" to change the java it's using?
[17:45:51] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: I use Gentoo not Ubuntu, no idea.
[17:45:55] <NET||abuse> hm, ko
[17:45:56] <rcjsuen> Maybe #ubuntu will know.
[17:46:04] <rcjsuen> ~vm
[17:46:05] <KOS-MOS> To learn more about the Eclipse launcher / binary, see - http://www.eclipse.org/swt/launcher.html - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_Launcher - http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/misc/launcher.html
[17:46:20] <rcjsuen> I'm not sure what /usr/bin/eclipse is though.
[17:46:25] <rcjsuen> Probably some funky script.
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[17:48:01] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: Looks like it installed successfully.
[17:48:39] <NET||abuse> rcjsuen, thanks :) ok,, i've found the method to change java
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[17:51:10] <kirkt> can i increase lineheight in the editor?
[17:51:20] <rcjsuen> Line height?
[17:52:10] <kirkt> vertical spacing between lines
[17:52:28] <rcjsuen> Don't think so.
[17:52:42] <NET||abuse> rcjsuen, hmm, not working,, java version "1.6.0_03" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
[17:53:28] <rcjsuen> then it could be an Ubuntu Eclipse problem
[17:53:48] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: and having 'java -version' show up Sun stuff does _not_ mean Eclipse is using that to run itself
[17:54:04] <NET||abuse> rcjsuen, well, how do you find what version it is using?
[17:54:15] <qolo> ps aux | grep eclipse ?
[17:54:20] <rcjsuen> as aforementioned ^
[17:54:21] <rcjsuen> ~jre
[17:54:21] <KOS-MOS> Please verify your Java runtime environment - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#How_do_I_find_out_which_Java_runtime_environment_is_being_used_to_run_my_Eclipse.3F
[17:54:57] <NET||abuse> arrg, it's still using gcj
[17:55:21] <NET||abuse> /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse -vm /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[17:55:28] <NET||abuse> that ps aux shows up /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse -vm /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[17:55:31] <NET||abuse> damn damn damn
[17:55:39] <NET||abuse> ok, how do i repoint that jvm ??
[17:55:48] <rcjsuen> just start eclipse with
[17:55:55] <rcjsuen> /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse -vm /wherever/sun/java/is/bin/java then
[17:56:09] <NET||abuse> :S grrr, have to change the launcher i suppose
[17:56:20] <NET||abuse> why does it default to that gcj one though?? weird
[17:56:28] <rcjsuen> This is why I have been suggesting you use Eclipse.org's eclipse binary from the start.
[17:56:40] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: Because the script is programmed to use GCJ as the first choice I believe.
[17:57:49] <qolo> yea, the non-ubuntu one is much better
[17:58:15] <rcjsuen> qolo: Thank you, qolo, for backing up my claim.
[17:59:25] <qolo> youre welcome ?
[18:00:14] <NET||abuse> thanks be to the lord, and you guys.. yeh, that's fixed it, now installing aptana successfully
[18:00:19] <NET||abuse> stupid jvm's
[18:00:26] <NET||abuse> why do they even make alternative packages?
[18:01:25] <NET||abuse> it's like the applets from the revenue sites here,, you can't do you company or personal taxes online if you have the sun jvm, only the Microsoft one and they don't provide a direct link due to licence issues,, even though the bloody MS versio nis defunkt
[18:02:37] <qolo> hmm that is annoying
[18:03:16] <dominikg> because its 'free' and some linux distributions only distribute free software
[18:03:35] <qolo> fsking MS, Im 100% done with ever using any MS products ever again.  I went to cancel my XBOX live account the other day, which took all of 5 minutes to setup, took me 3 fsking hours ... theres no CANCEL button anywhere, have to hunt down how to cancel on the web, then suffer through hours of hold time
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[18:03:51] <qolo> on the phone
[18:04:07] <dominikg> just don't pay it, they'll cancel it at ince ;)
[18:04:10] <qolo> and the damn thing overheats everyother time Im playing, have to hook up an industrial fan next to it
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[18:04:17] <qolo> you can't even change your CC details either :(
[18:04:22] <qolo> once they've got you its over
[18:05:07] <dominikg> 'dear cc-card company, i don't like microsoft, they are no longer allowed to charge my card, thanks'
[18:05:18] <rcjsuen> Can't change cc details? How odd.
[18:05:23] <rcjsuen> What if the card expires :x
[18:07:03] <dominikg> but i agree that some cancellation routines are just built to keep customers away from cancelling... remember that there were/are call-walkthrus to be able to cancel an aol account?
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[18:17:31] <kirkt> anyone knows an existing example of pixel based image editor in eclipse?
[18:17:46] <kirkt> or something of sorts
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[18:22:51] <tkotisis> how can i fire up an event programmatically?
[18:23:58] <NetAffect> woo hoo
[18:25:03] <tkotisis> for some reason when i create a property view with an SWT StyledText the text is not wrapping at the right point
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[18:25:31] <tkotisis> i figured that when you resize the view a SWT.Resize event is sent
[18:25:39] <tkotisis> and everything falls into place
[18:25:44] <rcjsuen> Then where is it wrapping.
[18:26:05] <tkotisis> e.g. i want it to wrap at the end of the line
[18:26:16] <tkotisis> it wraps at offset 30
[18:26:47] <rcjsuen> you can use Display's postEvent method
[18:29:32] <tkotisis> k, and how do i create an event?
[18:29:39] <tkotisis> of type SWT.Resize?
[18:30:11] <rcjsuen> I'll leave that as an exercise for you.
[18:30:20] <tkotisis> :)
[18:30:25] <tkotisis> that's the problem
[18:30:34] <tkotisis> i didn't find a way
[18:30:55] <tkotisis> field type of Event is private
[18:32:18] <rcjsuen> Then maybe it isn't possible.
[18:32:28] <rcjsuen> http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Event.html#type
[18:32:31] <rcjsuen> It looks public to me.
[18:32:56] <rcjsuen> Although I think it'd be better if you tried to resolve the problem over using a resiez hack.
[18:34:17] <tkotisis> well you're probably right, since i just tried it
[18:34:21] <tkotisis> it doesn't work :)
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[18:35:05] <tkotisis> thing is i need to have a preferred size for the StyledText
[18:35:28] <tkotisis> so as not to have an annoying horizontal scroll bar
[18:35:40] <tkotisis> but when i create the view
[18:35:58] <tkotisis> text is being wrapped at preferred width
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[18:40:20] <tkotisis> for some odd reason inside the resize handler he checks if new size is the same as the old one
[18:40:34] <tkotisis> and doesn't rearrange the contents, arghhh
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[18:41:32] <crackhead_> hello everyone
[18:41:48] <rcjsuen> crackhead_: Hi
[18:41:55] <crackhead_> does anyone have any experience with debugging jdom code in eclipes
[18:42:05] <crackhead_> s/es$/se
[18:42:13] <crackhead_> hello rcjsuen :)
[18:42:26] <rcjsuen> crackhead_: Just ask the real question.
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[18:42:57] <crackhead_> well...I'm trying to step through the code and I'd like to be able to view the xml document while stepping
[18:43:08] <crackhead_> is there an easy way to do this?
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[18:43:25] <crackhead_> the xml document is being created dynamically
[18:44:01] <crackhead_> the only way I think  I can do this is add XMLOutputter in different locations
[18:44:23] <crackhead_> which isn't any better than having system.out's
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[18:45:12] <crackhead_> what would be cool is having the ability to dynamically use a XMLOutputter while stepping
[18:45:59] <rcjsuen> If you changed the presentation of the variables in the details formatter you might be able to achieve that I guess.
[18:51:24] <tkotisis> i tried setting the width of StyledText at creation as preferred width, but both StyledText.getBorderWidth and StyledText.getClientArea.width don't work
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[18:53:32] * kirkt just configured log4j in eclipse!
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[19:01:02] <NET||abuse> hmm, ok, been trying to install eclipse pdt, it's asking for wst of 2.0 and i only seem to have received 1.5 from the callisto discovery site group,, where can i get the correct wst version?
[19:02:43] <rcjsuen> NET||abuse: PDT 1.0 needs Eclipse 3.3.
[19:02:49] <NET||abuse> ohhhh, nads
[19:02:52] <NET||abuse> i'm on 3.3
[19:03:04] <NET||abuse> umm, 3.2.2 I mean
[19:03:16] <NET||abuse> hmm,
[19:05:55] <rcjsuen> You want PDT 0.7 if you want 3.2.
[19:06:03] <rcjsuen> But you will not get much support since that version is old.
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[19:09:20] <NET||abuse> bummer.... what's the laternative for PHP support
[19:09:41] <NET||abuse> also,, where's the font size setting?? my stupid laptop only does 1024 x 768, so 8pt font's would be nicer than 10pt
[19:10:36] <rcjsuen> alternative is phpeclipse
[19:10:44] <rcjsuen> Font size settings are in the preferences.
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[19:19:35] <kirkt> rcjsuen: should i do documentation and sprinkle logging statements at the end of the development ?
[19:19:57] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[19:20:20] <rcjsuen> Probably not, but I guess most people are guilty of that.
[19:20:30] <kirkt> i mean when in the lifetime of the project is it done
[19:20:57] <rcjsuen> Sorry?
[19:21:00] <kirkt> doing javadoc mid-development seems a bit extrawork, since every refactoring screws it up
[19:21:31] <rcjsuen> Well, I usually write docs for stuff that I'm somewhat sure won't change.
[19:22:14] <rcjsuen> and documentation isn't just limited to javadoc
[19:22:36] <kirkt> oooh.. gas prices are $100/barrel for the first time.
[19:23:07] <kirkt> rcjsuen: yes, i ment javadoc specifically
[19:23:59] <ijuma> kirkt: the problem with leaving it to the end is that often there is no more time then ;)
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[19:24:06] <ijuma> also, it's a lot more boring that way
[19:24:28] <ijuma> but as you say, it is more efficient than writing and re-writing
[19:25:09] <dominikg> ijuma, depends i think... if you havn't seen the code for weeks, writing doc for it takes extra time aswell?
[19:25:50] <dominikg> scratch that, havn't seen the 'writing and' part
[19:26:50] <ijuma> dominikg: dunno, personally I have no problems writing javadoc for something that I dealt with a few weeks ago
[19:27:15] <ijuma> and any additional code inspection is useful too anyway
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[19:32:02] <kirkt> is there some kind of existing facility to take input from the user, or do i need to build a dialog by hand ?
[19:32:53] <paulweb515_> kirkt: there are already some in JFace, or you can subclass the SWT Dialog
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[19:33:10] <kirkt> thanks i'll look that up
[19:33:13] <rcjsuen> depends on the input, there's always InputDialog
[19:34:02] <kirkt> i need 1 textfield, and 1 checkbox. and a ok/cancel buttons
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[19:41:57] <qolo> phpeclipse is better than PDT IMO
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[19:47:40] <jimcan> Hi everyone, is there a way to change the color of the highlighted text and borders when using the CompareUI?
[19:48:20] <rcjsuen> you can check the preferences, there are some colours there
[19:48:24] <rcjsuen> not sure if they're related
[19:48:45] <jimcan> sorry, I should have been more specific....I meant programmatically
[19:50:24] <rcjsuen> Well, if you're looking at the code already, I presume the code would tell you if it was possible or not.
[19:51:45] <jimcan> well it doesn't look like it will let you do it directly via the API....but you can change it in the preferences so I guess I can always define my own preference when my plugin starts and change the color that way
[19:51:46] <jimcan> thanks
[19:52:22] <rcjsuen> jimcan: Are you trying to set a new default?
[19:53:55] <jimcan> yea, I think that's what I'm going to end up having to do
[19:54:18] <rcjsuen> jimcan: Any particular reason?
[19:55:17] <jimcan> well the color that is showing up is kind of hard on the eyes...I need something that stands out a little more
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[19:55:56] <rcjsuen> jimcan: Shouldn't you let your users decide what's hard on their eyes?
[19:57:24] <jimcan> yea, they can always change the default after if they want but having black and gray show up on a gray background doesn't exactly show the differences between the files very clearly
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[20:03:27] <elad`> How do I change the formatting preferences, so that I get opening cury braces in a new line?
[20:05:57] <kirkt> java->codestyle->formatter
[20:06:06] <kirkt> in prefrences
[20:06:09] <dominikg> preferences -> java -> code style -> formatter (create your own) -> edit the new formatter
[20:07:51] <kirkt> does anyone know how CAPS is designated in binding?
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[20:08:42] <DGMurdock> have any of you heard of goim?
[20:09:01] <DGMurdock> Gamers Own Instant Messenger
[20:10:19] <DGMurdock> if you would like more info on it or would to help it out go here helping out goim gohttp://goim2.sphene.net/wiki/show/Start/ or http://goim.sphene.net/wiki/show/GOIM
[20:12:21] <kirkt> does it have MSN ?
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[20:15:27] <DGMurdock> it will
[20:22:06] <dominikg> DGMurdock, is it based on ecf?
[20:22:17] <DGMurdock> yes
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[20:22:49] <DGMurdock> It uses the Eclipse Rich Client Plattform
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[20:30:03] <Echidna> i cant open any source files in 3.4M4 64bit
[20:30:10] <Echidna> it says null pointer exception
[20:31:13] <rcjsuen> DGMurdock: Yes, I've heard of it.
[20:31:18] <rcjsuen> ~tell Echidna about info
[20:31:18] <KOS-MOS> Echidna: Please state your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), operating system (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, etc.), your Java runtime environment (unless you checked in your workspace logs and/or in the about dialog, you do not know _for sure_, please see ~jre. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), your Eclipse version, and where did you download Eclipse from.
[20:31:20] <rcjsuen> ~tell Echidna about logs
[20:31:21] <KOS-MOS> Echidna: Looking for your Eclipse logs? Try Window > Show View > Other > PDE Runtime > Error Log. Or look at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F
[20:32:02] <DGMurdock> (Echidna): did you try the one on this site http://goim.sphene.net/wiki/show/Downloads
[20:32:10] <Echidna> athlon x2, vista x64
[20:32:18] <Echidna> 1.6.03 i think
[20:32:42] <dominikg> DGMurdock, Echidna joined after you did, i don't think that was a goim related question :>
[20:33:47] <DGMurdock> (rcjsuen): do you like it
[20:34:19] <rcjsuen> DGMurdock: I have never used it.
[20:35:29] <Echidna> http://rafb.net/p/ba06aI36.html
[20:35:59] <rcjsuen> Never seen this problem before.
[20:36:03] <rcjsuen> Echidna: Do you still have the Eclipse zip file?
[20:36:36] <Echidna> yes
[20:36:46] <rcjsuen> Echidna: What is that zip file's name
[20:36:59] <Echidna> eclipse-SDK-3.4M4-win32-x86_64.zip
[20:37:25] <rcjsuen> I guess it's not an arch problem.
[20:37:40] <Echidna> M3 worked fine
[20:38:28] <rcjsuen> ~205952
[20:38:29] <KOS-MOS> See bug 205952 - 3.3.1 incompatible with 3.3.0: JavaFoldingStructureProviderRegistry.getCurrentFoldingProvider() AssertionFailedException - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205952
[20:40:44] <Echidna> damn
[20:43:14] <Echidna> ah there we go
[20:43:19] <Echidna> i deleted those files mentioned
[20:43:47] <Echidna> but it says it could mess up my workspace if i load it with 3.3.0 or older?
[20:43:51] <Echidna> hm
[20:43:53] <Echidna> thx for the help
[20:44:42] <rcjsuen> didn't you unzip that file to a fresh location?
[20:45:37] <Echidna> no, i deleted features and plugins cept for subclipse and put it into the same dir
[20:46:11] <rcjsuen> oh
[20:46:12] <rcjsuen> well
[20:46:19] <rcjsuen> _always_ unzip to a fresh location ;p
[20:46:58] <Echidna> what about my config
[20:47:01] <rcjsuen> Doing otherwise will likely fail, and if it doesn't fail, is likely luck, and people can usually not help you with problems because it would be difficult for them to reproduce the same environment you have.
[20:47:06] <Echidna> and re-downloading all the plugins
[20:47:15] <rcjsuen> Most configuration details are stored in the workspace.
[20:47:23] <rcjsuen> Plug-in problems could be managed via extension locations.
[20:47:44] <rcjsuen> You would lose saved CVS passwords, but that doesn't really bother me since I don't save my passwords.
[20:47:53] <Echidna> also, i seem to get a 403 when trying to update 3.3.1 via the built in update feature
[20:48:10] <rcjsuen> I thought you were using 3.4M4.
[20:48:13] <rcjsuen> Why are you updating
[20:48:16] <Echidna> i am on the desktop
[20:48:23] <Echidna> laptop is using 32bit vista with 3.3.1
[20:49:07] <rcjsuen> ~214050
[20:49:08] <KOS-MOS> See bug 214050 - Cannot update clipse - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=214050
[20:49:21] <Echidna> heh
[20:49:33] <Echidna> you have all the bug ids memorized?
[20:49:44] <rcjsuen> No.
[20:50:09] <rcjsuen> I just browse bugzilla and hang out on IRC more than what a healthy person should do.
[20:50:44] <Echidna> =)
[20:55:52] <splatch_> does anyone do something with eRCP or eSWT?
[20:56:42] <kirkt> any way to save keybinding layout or load from file ?
[20:58:00] <rcjsuen> splatch_: tried it a little before
[20:58:36] <ijuma> rcjsuen: i thought you were given some advice regarding work/life balance? ;)
[20:58:39] <rcjsuen> File > Export
[20:58:53] <rcjsuen> ijuma: I'm setting an example for how people shouldn't act.
[20:58:57] <rcjsuen> ijuma: See my _noble_ sacrifice.
[20:59:03] * rcjsuen nods approvingly.
[20:59:24] <ijuma> rcjsuen: haha
[20:59:49] <rcjsuen> kirkt: File > Export > Preferences, then the keys should go out too I think.
[20:59:58] <rcjsuen> The CSV keybindings export functionality isn't out yet though.
[21:00:15] <splatch_> rcjsuen: with platform/hardware?
[21:00:26] <rcjsuen> splatch_: With my iPAQ and Windows XP
[21:00:28] <kirkt> thanks rcjsuen. that doesnt help me though, i was looking for a way to bind caret movement to other keys than arrows
[21:00:32] <rcjsuen> and I think I tried a little on Windows Vista
[21:00:36] <rcjsuen> my iPAQ is Windows Mobile 2003
[21:00:47] <splatch_> rcjsuen: any problems?
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[21:01:05] <rcjsuen> kirkt: oh, that stuff, mm, you'd have to change how the editors read keys i guess
[21:01:16] <rcjsuen> splatch_: Not really imo.
[21:01:42] <splatch_> i have a freelance job, some soft for Symbol M90
[21:01:43] <kirkt> rcjsuen: i havent found any 'command' that matches 'move caret' in the binding screen
[21:01:51] <splatch_> and i would like use eRCP
[21:02:32] <rcjsuen> well, since the Vim plug-in can move the cursor, i presume it's possible
[21:02:42] <splatch_> rcjsuen: do you used emulator?
[21:02:55] <rcjsuen> No, I didn't have an iPAQ emulator.
[21:03:06] * kirkt hurries and gets the vim plugin
[21:03:21] <rcjsuen> kirkt: Except it's not open source.
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[21:05:19] <kirkt> not free either?
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[21:17:59] <lnxnt> I want to extend eclipse by the extension point org.eclipse.ui.actionSets so I click on Extensions and then Add
[21:18:36] <lnxnt> there is the extension point filter but no options or list of extension points
[21:18:49] <lnxnt> where do i get them?
[21:19:59] <rcjsuen> Eh?
[21:20:06] <rcjsuen> you click Add then it should show up on the left hand side
[21:20:11] <rcjsuen> then you use the context menu and add something
[21:22:39] <lnxnt> http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/38749/2004095889732408346_rs.jpg
[21:23:19] <rcjsuen> lnxnt: please pastebin your MANIFEST.MF file
[21:24:09] <lnxnt> http://phpfi.com/286606
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[21:26:33] <rcjsuen> er
[21:26:43] <rcjsuen> you don't even have dependencies on any bundles
[21:26:48] <rcjsuen> how would you use those bundles' extension points?
[21:28:27] <lnxnt> how do i know which bundles i depend? I just want to build a button
[21:29:10] <rcjsuen> well, a button is a piece of ui, that is my hint
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[21:31:06] <lnxnt> ah ok ;)
[21:31:32] <lnxnt> so I add org.eclipse.ui to required bundles or to automated management of dependencies..
[21:32:00] <buggSmasher> Guys, Eclipe E, Vista, Microsoft Mouse, Wheel no work in editor but fine is Outline. Is there a fix-getaround?
[21:33:11] <rcjsuen> buggSmasher: never heard of that problem
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[21:34:10] <buggSmasher> If found two complaints: one for flex and one for Oxygen XML Editor. Houston, We have a problem
[21:34:21] <buggSmasher> See here: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders at yahoogroups dot com/msg74781.html
[21:34:51] <buggSmasher> No solutions... Time for me in the bugbase?
[21:35:26] <dominikg> buggSmasher, are you sure the editor is active?
[21:35:58] <dominikg> also, which editor is it?
[21:36:23] <buggSmasher> Everything else works. Scroll bars etc. Mouse wheel works in all views except editor. In editor 1 of 100 scrolls work. Index finger hurts...
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[21:37:46] <buggSmasher> With a Dell scroll wheel wotks too. MS mouse wheel still dead
[21:38:09] <dominikg> if it works with the dell, i doubt its an eclipse problem
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[21:39:42] <buggSmasher> Well it's more of incompatibility. MS mouse works everywhere else. Everything except MS works in Eclipse. I think we may want to make it work...
[21:39:56] <dominikg> eclipse only receives and processes key events from the os, did you remap/change the default functionality of the ms mousewheel by any chance?
[21:40:45] <buggSmasher> This virgin computer. So far, I have done nothing. (my boss wouldnt let me put Linux on it)
[21:41:27] <buggSmasher> I'll do the driver spiel and see wjat gives
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[21:55:15] <buggSmasher> Installed the exact mouse driver, problem gone. MS apparently quit supporting their own products...
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[22:02:45] <jamiejackson> assumption: scroll lock is supposed to let you scroll and look at a given line of console output, so even if the console is still getting new lines, it won't jump to the bottom
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[22:03:15] <jamiejackson> when i hit scroll lock on my subversion console, i can't do that, it keeps jumping to the bottom while i'm getting output
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[22:03:35] <jamiejackson> is it broken, or am i broken?
[22:04:14] <KA> if i have 2 projects in eclipse one referencing the other does it automatically creat a jar file for the referenced project?
[22:04:27] <dominikg> KA: no
[22:05:09] <dominikg> but maybe you can select the referenced project in the export dialog (never tried to)
[22:06:09] <dominikg> jamiejackson, sounds like scroll-lock does not work on the svn console. is it subclipse or subversive?
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[22:06:31] <rcjsuen> jamiejackson: Does scroll lock work on other consoles?
[22:06:33] <jamiejackson> subclipse
[22:06:46] <rcjsuen> Are you hitting the scroll lock key or the lock in Eclipse?
[22:07:17] <jamiejackson> not sure how to test that easily on other consoles, not sure a quick way to get a bunch of output. also, i'm hitting the scroll lock button in eclipse
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[22:08:19] <rcjsuen> well, you could just write a java app (or whatever language)
[22:08:27] <rcjsuen> call thread.sleep
[22:08:30] <rcjsuen> so you can hit the button in time
[22:08:33] <rcjsuen> then print 10 lines
[22:08:34] <rcjsuen> and see what happens
[22:10:01] <jamiejackson> okay, once my cancelled revert actually cancels...
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[22:14:18] <KA> for some reason it seems like when i build one project automatically a jar file is built for the referenced project
[22:14:30] <KA> is there an option where i can set that?
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[22:19:30] <dominikg> KA: how do you create the jar(s)?
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[22:23:45] <KA> i have an ant build file
[22:23:55] <KA> but i dont see anywhere in that build file to create this jar
[22:24:15] <KA> the only thing that i see is that these two projects are referenced
[22:24:40] <KA> so after i create my war file i am searching in the classes folder and i dont see any of the class files for my referenced project
[22:25:01] <KA> so i was wondering where the hell is the files and then i noticed there is a jar file with the other project
[22:25:15] <KA> so now i am trying to dig into the code to see where this happens
[22:26:10] <konigsberg> Hello all! Happy New Year!
[22:26:17] <konigsberg> I have a question about PerformanceStats.
[22:26:21] <dominikg> KA: you better ask the one who wrote that buildfile then, or work yourself backwards from the called target
[22:26:22] <konigsberg> I have an expensive piece of code I'm looking to profile using PerformanceStats. The code looks like this:
[22:26:25] <konigsberg> for (Rule rule : rules) {
[22:26:30] <konigsberg>   firstExpensiveOperation(rule);
[22:26:33] <konigsberg>   secondExpensiveOpeation(rule);
[22:26:37] <konigsberg> }
[22:26:42] <konigsberg> Is it as simple as this?
[22:26:45] <konigsberg> PerformanceStats stats = new PerformanceStats(ID, this);
[22:26:49] <konigsberg> stats.startRun();
[22:26:54] <konigsberg> try {
[22:26:57] <konigsberg>   for (Rule rule : rules) {
[22:27:01] <konigsberg>     PerformanceStats inner = new PerformanceStats(ID, this);
[22:27:04] <dominikg> ahhh
[22:27:05] <konigsberg>     inner.startRun("First: " + rule);
[22:27:09] <konigsberg>     firstExpensiveOperation(rule);
[22:27:11] <dominikg> ~tell konigsberg about pastebin
[22:27:12] <KOS-MOS> konigsberg: Please paste the relevant information to a pastebin - http://rafb.net/paste/ - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[22:27:13] <konigsberg>     inner.endRun();
[22:27:18] <konigsberg>     inner.startRun("Second: " + rule);
[22:27:29] <konigsberg>     secondExpensiveOpeation(rule);
[22:27:33] <konigsberg>     inner.endRun();
[22:27:37] <konigsberg>   }
[22:27:42] <konigsberg> } finally {
[22:27:45] <konigsberg>   stats.endRun();
[22:27:49] <konigsberg> }
[22:27:49] <konigsberg> Seems like I might want some more try / finally operations as needed.
[22:27:49] <konigsberg> Eep!
[22:27:49] <konigsberg> OK
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[22:29:48] <konigsberg> I have a piece of code I would like to profile
[22:29:49] <jamiejackson> scroll lock works for the java console. must be a subclipse bug
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[22:29:58] <konigsberg> It has two expensive operations, I want to profile each separately.
[22:30:06] <konigsberg> Will this be a reasonable implementation? http://rafb.net/p/P8tkvJ60.html
[22:32:43] <dominikg> is the code in question rcp code?
[22:32:57] <KA> iam unable to ask the person who wrote it because he is not here
[22:33:15] <KA> and i doubt its my build file because i use the same one for 10 other projects and this jar file is not created
[22:33:21] <KA> for the other projects
[22:34:52] <konigsberg> dominik, are you asking me? It's not RCP, it's a plug-in.
[22:35:53] <dominikg> KA: the same one? maybe some hardcoded paths and copy/paste mistakes? no offence implied, but i really don't think eclipse generates anything if you call an ant script. the script will be executed in a separate vm so eclipse can't know shit about it
[22:38:09] <KA> anyways im searching thanks
[22:39:06] <dominikg> konigsberg, yes i was. I don't know much about it, but it looks like you are calling getStats(ID, this); twice, which may result in getting the same object.
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[22:40:55] <konigsberg> k thx dominikg
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[22:49:50] <rcjsuen> jamiejackson: okay
[22:51:23] <dominikg> jamiejackson, did you enable scroll lock before or after the long running subclipse operation started (i guess its the revert you mentioned).
[22:52:37] <jamiejackson> dominikg: it was the revert, and i enabled it after it started, which works for java console
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[22:56:32] <dominikg> and thats the way it should in subclipse aswell. It could be valuable information for the subclipse-team tho :)
[22:57:11] <jamiejackson> yeah, will report it. surprised there isn't much of a subclipse presence on freenode
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[22:59:17] <rcjsuen> Well, every open source project has their preferred way of communicating with the community.
[23:00:11] <jamiejackson> i just saw you poke your head in subclipse rcjsuen. markphip joined since i started posting here a bit ago, and he's been helpful before, he might have the skinny
[23:00:58] <rcjsuen> ic
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[23:15:25] <mhaller> is there any site about IBM Jazz with more info than these two videos I cant watch?
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[23:17:19] <rcjsuen> mhaller: Unlikely.
[23:17:54] <mhaller> so how do i find out more about Jazz?
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[23:18:18] <dominikg> get a jazz.net account ;)
[23:18:29] <rcjsuen> http://www.computer.org/portal/cms_docs_software/software/homepage/2007/s607/Jazz-Eclipse.pdf
[23:19:04] <rcjsuen> I really liked it, the 3.5 months I used it.
[23:20:22] <mhaller> so what is it about?
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[23:21:06] <rcjsuen> It's about integrating multiple phases of the software development process together into one tool and with steroids and Eclipse added to the mix I guess?
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[23:21:33] <mhaller> ok
[23:22:06] <rcjsuen> "any" arbitrary artefact can be linked with one another
[23:22:11] <MarcWeber> I'd like to learn more about the components eclipse is made up of. The cvs repositiory contains many folders. Is there some sort of short descriptions somewhere which folder I need eg to build  a minimal eclipse from source?
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[23:22:26] <rcjsuen> So the traceability of commits, bug reports, builds and the likes is very high.
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[23:22:42] <rcjsuen> MarcWeber: Why would you built Eclipse from source
[23:23:01] <rcjsuen> There is a build from CVS tarball download you can get, I presume there are instructions there in said tarball.
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[23:25:30] <rcjsuen> mhaller: Hard for me to answer. But I think people compare it with Team Foundation if you're familiar with that.
[23:25:47] <mhaller> no
[23:26:01] <rcjsuen> mhaller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Foundation_Server
[23:26:52] <dominikg> MarcWeber: the 'rcp runtime binary' or 'platform runtime binary' may be close to what you are aiming for: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.3.1.1-200710231652/index.php
[23:27:14] <rcjsuen> mhaller: I've never seen that in action so don't ask me about it. ;)
[23:27:15] <splatch_> rcjsuen: do you used MTJ?
[23:27:19] <rcjsuen> splatch_: No.
[23:27:44] <rcjsuen> MarcWeber: Reading the architectural documents in Help or the wiki may prove to be more useful than checking code out of CVS.
[23:27:58] <splatch_> rcjsuen: do you write you mobile app using classic distro?
[23:28:12] <rcjsuen> splatch_: Yes, I was developing the eRCP app in the standard SDK.
[23:29:30] <MarcWeber> rcjsuen, dominikg : Thanks. I'll have a look into it. I'm on nixos (a young linux distro). Not everything is working right now. And I think I can learn much from the Eclipse design
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[23:43:50] <rcjsuen_> MarcWeber: Are you using the Eclipse installation from your distro?
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[23:47:36] <MarcWeber> rcjsuen_: Yes. But the distro is used by less than 50 people :)
[23:47:49] <MarcWeber> So I don't expect everyhting beeing working perfectly.
[23:48:11] <rcjsuen_> Well, I'd suggest you let them know you're having problems.
[23:48:15] <rcjsuen_> Telling us doesn't really do anything.
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