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[02:07:19] <herojoker> hi
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[02:25:33] <mhaller> :-)
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[03:24:45] <victori> hmm not sure what happened but now eclipse does not autocomplete anything in an anonymous inner class
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[05:46:50] <ykphuah> can bsf give me a shell like beanshell for javascript?
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[06:08:43] <dmiles> anyone use jre 6.0 w/ eclipse? if so which.. mine keeps crashing.. its JVM errors
[06:09:04] <rcjsuen> dmiles: i use it everyday
[06:10:06] <dmiles> it just started happening more that i moved to Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.0-b09, mixed mode)
[06:10:21] <dmiles> about 10 times more often than the previous
[06:10:42] <dmiles> oh .. but this is win32 .. your on linux right?
[06:10:57] <rcjsuen> dmiles: I use Java 6 on Vista too.
[06:11:21] <dmiles> whats your java -version say?
[06:11:38] <rcjsuen> I'm not on Vista right now.
[06:12:44] <dmiles> *nod* also its not so much eclipse fault as it is some old plugin that i started using as well.. but i cant use 5.0 .. i dobt 5.0 is even stabler for me
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[09:51:22] <lnxnt> Hi everyone
[09:52:56] <lnxnt> I launch an eclipse application and get an error when looking for the plugin list in the "about eclipse" dialog: Either the manifest file or the signature has been tampered
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[10:22:47] <lnxnt> I would like to know which plugins are loaded when I start an eclipse application from within eclipse
[10:23:02] <lnxnt> so I can tell why the manifest or signature file is tempered
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[10:37:36] <safak> in the manifest.mf I click "launch an eclipse application" and a new workbench loads. Now, what are the plugins used by this new workbench? Where are they located or why do I get errors when I look them up in the about eclipse dialog
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[10:41:10] <safak> or how can I hinder it from using all the plugin projects in the host workbench
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[10:49:35] <nitind> safak: Open the launch configuration dialog and check the various tabs for the one that lest you choose which plug-ins to use.
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[11:32:55] <Kaa> I wish a happy new year.
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[11:44:09] <lnxnt> hello?
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[12:51:35] <lnxnt> I still don't know how to solve my problem
[12:58:40] <fzlogik> lnxnt: what problem is that?
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[14:43:18] <lnxnt> http://phpfi.com/286391
[14:45:25] <rcjsuen> well can't say i've seen that one
[14:50:39] <kirkt> rcjsuen: is there any way to plug into the "rename" feature in the refactoring plugin?
[14:51:18] <kirkt> the way i see it, columnar selection in eclipse can be achieved by defining such 'rename rectangle' boxes from top left of selection to bottom right
[14:51:39] <rcjsuen> kirkt: That's what's happening in the Platform now in 3.4 since that functionality got pushed down.
[14:51:49] <kirkt> and you could edit live etc, like normal rect.selection unlike the lunareclipse plugin
[14:52:11] <kirkt> ah, great is it something i can download and try?
[14:52:17] <rcjsuen> I'm not sure how does boxes have anything to do with selecting things in a column.
[14:52:44] <kirkt> well refactor plugin looks for the same element and creates a rename box around it..
[14:52:51] <rcjsuen> Renaming things at an editor level is probably not pluggable since that is internal JDT code I think.
[14:53:14] <kirkt> then how did they do columnar selection in 3.4?
[14:53:21] <rcjsuen> I'm probably out of context since I never see why people need columnar selection.
[14:53:32] <rcjsuen> They didn't.
[14:53:41] <rcjsuen> My reply was wrt having a pluggable rename functionality.
[14:54:04] <rcjsuen> Wherein if you renamed a file you could trigger other refactorings.
[14:54:51] <kirkt> hum. so they're not working on col.selection ?
[14:55:00] <rcjsuen> I don't think os.
[14:55:32] <rcjsuen> I don't have a need for that feature so I don't really follow that, but I don't think so anyway.
[14:55:52] <kirkt> well, col.selection can be really powerful with bulk editing
[14:56:59] <kirkt> in essence it should also enclose the 'rename' functionality, because you can do multiple seperate selections
[14:57:35] <rcjsuen> http://www.thinkvitamin.com/images/articles/reviews/textmate/columnar.png like here
[14:57:44] <rcjsuen> I don't know why I would ever select that block of text.
[14:58:02] <kirkt> ah.. then you havn't seen the power of columnar selection
[14:58:27] <kirkt> you can change declarations, say you used int, and now you want Integer
[14:58:41] <rcjsuen> Well, considering I've never used an application with that, then no.
[14:59:20] <kirkt> you can virtually type in multiple rows, if you needed 5 strings, you select a blank column and start typing until you get to the variable names, then you can also type "="s vertically and continue
[15:00:05] <kirkt> you can add trailin
[15:00:17] <kirkt> trailing chars to any statement
[15:00:22] <rcjsuen> Sounds like a useful feature that I would never use.
[15:00:31] <rcjsuen> Like many Eclipse features that I see in the "New and Noteworthy" but soon forget about.
[15:00:39] <rcjsuen> Every milestone I say "wow I'm going to use that" but I don't.
[15:01:17] <kirkt> i actually copy code to jEdit, do rectangular editing, and paste back to eclipse
[15:04:36] <kirkt> is there anyone that worked on the refactoring core here?
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[15:39:32] <rcjsuen> kirkt: You'd have to file an enhancement request to JDT if you want to be able to change variable types like that.
[15:41:07] <rcjsuen> I doubt you can hook to the inline editing.
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[17:05:53] <rcjsuen> Sure is a slow day today.
[17:07:52] <amitev> happy new year
[17:08:18] <rcjsuen> amitev: Happy new year to you too
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[17:10:15] <kirkt> rcjsuen: do u by any chance have an idea who do i turn to, to promote a new UI idiom ?
[17:10:40] <rcjsuen> UI idiom?
[17:10:57] <kirkt> do you know what a treemap is ?
[17:11:16] <rcjsuen> A sorted map?
[17:11:21] <kirkt> no
[17:11:24] <kirkt> http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/treemap/
[17:11:37] <kirkt> its a visualization for large quantities of items
[17:12:14] <kirkt> it is used commonly by hdd directory mapping programs for example
[17:12:24] <rcjsuen> Okay, I was thinking of the TreeMap class, but anyway
[17:12:42] <kirkt> anyway, this is a visualization that augments your preception of space in computers
[17:13:05] <kirkt> i have another kind of visualization no one had thought of yet, and that integrates into existing common controls
[17:13:24] <kirkt> i've built a prototype, its very addictive, and i use it every day
[17:13:27] <rcjsuen> What does this have to do with Eclipse
[17:14:06] <kirkt> it has to do with every app, one of the prototypes i'm planning is on eclipse
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[17:23:10] <rcjsuen> kirkt: Anyway, don't really understand your question. Couldn't you just spread your prototype through blogging or talking to some former professors at school or something?
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[17:24:30] <kirkt> the problem is, once its out, its going to be replicated like hell. its like publishing a progressbar to a world without a progress bar.
[17:24:44] <kirkt> i'll be forgotten :(
[17:24:51] <rcjsuen> so you talk to people that knows this stuff first
[17:24:54] <rcjsuen> your profs
[17:25:12] <rcjsuen> it is naive to say "no one had thought of yet"
[17:25:53] <kirkt> i know.. this is not the first idea i've ever had. i strive to generate as many as i can, always.
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[17:28:03] <rcjsuen> well, sounds like you know what you're doing and i clearly don't (i'm still in school actually), so it's best not to ask me these things ;)
[17:28:17] <kirkt> i'm still in school too :P
[17:28:27] <rcjsuen> then you have profs, no?
[17:28:32] <rcjsuen> I don't see the problem here.
[17:28:39] <kirkt> yea. they're at strike.
[17:29:03] <rcjsuen> I doubt that means they don't check their emails.
[17:29:33] <rcjsuen> I would like to think people are in the academia because they like doing research.
[17:29:46] <rcjsuen> Getting angry at the school shouldn't mean you're not still in contact with other professors around the world.
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[17:31:45] <kirkt> ok, here goes nothing.
[17:31:50] <rcjsuen> At any rate, from past conversations it seems life where you're at is vastly different from how I've done things in the past, so I can't really give you any useful advice.
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[17:38:05] <kirkt> how would you say "primal ownership"
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[17:38:19] <kirkt> in english that is..
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[17:46:40] <AStorm> kirkt: former ownership? (if it was in the past)
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[18:27:42] <cruss1> Quick question:  Is there an easy way to not include a jar file for certain builds (OSes, really).  I'm using classpath variables to abstract locations for different OSes, but don't see an easy way to eliminate some JARs entirely.
[18:28:21] <rcjsuen> What kind of "builds"
[18:28:34] <cruss1> I'm building on XP on one system, then OSX on another.
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[18:28:49] <cruss1> So, for swt windows and mac-specific files, I only want to include one or the other.
[18:29:00] <rcjsuen> How do you build
[18:29:21] <cruss1> Using eclipse's built-in project.
[18:29:34] <rcjsuen> Eh?
[18:29:42] <cruss1> Not using ant, if that's what you mean.\
[18:29:47] <rcjsuen> Yes, that's what I meant.
[18:29:56] <cruss1> Just running within Eclipse.
[18:30:22] <rcjsuen> Never had a need. What kind of "specific" files are you talking about
[18:31:05] <cruss1> The OS-dependent SWT jars.  There's one for Mac, and one for Windows.
[18:31:29] <cruss1> I guess I could start using ant.
[18:31:40] <rcjsuen> You mean building oyur project?
[18:31:53] <rcjsuen> I was reading "build" as in like, deploying for an end user.
[18:32:04] <cruss1> Oh, sorry, no.
[18:32:07] <rcjsuen> You're not just talking about the development level from within Eclipse I presume.
[18:32:15] <cruss1> Correct.
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[18:32:46] <rcjsuen> I always just make plug-in projects so if I just put 'org.eclipse.swt' it doesn't matter.
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[18:33:07] <kirkt> rcjsuen: im googling for new changes in 3.4, cant find the changelog.. have any link by a chance?
[18:33:23] <rcjsuen> just look for the new and noteworthy
[18:33:40] <rcjsuen> Though that's not really a change log.
[18:33:53] <kirkt> ok googling that did the trick
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[18:50:26] <kirkt> is it possible/common to use log4j in plugins ?
[18:50:49] <rcjsuen> people do it
[18:51:01] <rcjsuen> And log4j is in Orbit.
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[18:51:23] <rcjsuen> Dunno how you classify "common", but anyway.
[18:52:11] <kirkt> ok
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[18:58:51] <Zerone> ello :)
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[19:07:14] <ijuma> cruss1: is your app an eclipse rcp app?
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[19:38:09] <dajudge> hi all
[19:38:34] <dajudge> does anyone have experience with integrating hibernate (esp. with hibernate-annotation) into an RCP application? having some problems there...
[19:39:00] <qbert> hibernate blows ( no experience here with RCP )
[19:39:09] <qbert> The more you use it the more it starts to suck
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[19:39:58] <dajudge> do you have a recommendation for a JPA compliant ORM library with annotation support if hibernate doesn't quite cut it?
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[19:45:21] <qbert> hmm no , I have my own personal ORM I use for personal stuff, we're stuck with hibernate at work
[19:46:48] <dominikg> uhm, why write your own orm (which is complex and errorprone) if there are solutions like hibernate or ibatis out there?
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[19:47:38] <dominikg> oh, and as this is #eclipse, there is eclipselink aswell :)
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[19:49:22] <dajudge> eclipselink indeed looks interesting
[19:50:19] <dajudge> can it do annotation based mapping?
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[19:52:12] <dajudge> hm looks like
[19:52:23] <dajudge> definitely have to look into that :)
[19:53:05] <dominikg> havn't used it myself, it was formerly called toplink .. reading here: http://www.eclipse.org/eclipselink/ (JPA section) tells me it does
[19:54:02] <dajudge> just found that... thanks though :)
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[20:07:18] <riishigh> Anybody know how to link a resource into a project?
[20:08:17] <qbert> dominikg, hibernate didnt do exactly what I wanted, I havent heard of ibatis
[20:08:22] <qbert> ~ibatis
[20:08:27] <qbert> ~google ibatis
[20:10:01] <dominikg> looks like KOS-MOS got a bit of a newyears hangover  :>
[20:12:48] <rcjsuen> ~g ibatis
[20:12:49] <KOS-MOS> Try googling - http://google.com/search?q=ibatis
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[20:14:27] <d_a_carver> nitind: Another good bug day candidate:  bug 205989
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[20:18:50] <qbert> hehe
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[21:16:35] <mynameisjoe> hey, so i'm trying to install radrails, which requires mylyn, which requires org.eclipse.ui
[21:16:45] <mynameisjoe> i can't seem to figure out how to install org.eclipse.ui
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[21:17:04] <mynameisjoe> has anyone ran into this prob before?
[21:17:16] <dominikg> mynameisjoe, properbly not, thats part of the eclipse runtime
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[21:18:29] <mynameisjoe> dominikg, what's the easiest way to get radrails up and running?
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[21:18:38] <mynameisjoe> i installed eclipse classic
[21:18:42] <mynameisjoe> then aptana
[21:19:02] <mynameisjoe> but mylyn wont install w/o org.eclipse.ui
[21:20:01] <dominikg> mynameisjoe, aptana doesn't require eclipse classic. either install eclipse classic and the radrails plugin (don't know where/if it is available without aptana) or get aptana with radrails
[21:20:25] <dominikg> i'm pretty sure it comes along with all you need in a single download
[21:20:33] <mynameisjoe> oh really?
[21:20:45] <dominikg> http://www.aptana.com/rails/
[21:20:47] <mynameisjoe> oh i see thanks
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[21:27:04] <d_a_carver> nitind: never mind about the bug day for 205989, I went ahead and created a patch.
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[21:42:56] <shut-> hello, is there a place that can help me learn to use eclipse?
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[21:46:38] <mynameisjoe> shut-, what do you mean?
[21:46:49] <mynameisjoe> like an ebook?
[21:46:54] <mynameisjoe> or just a quick tutorial
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[21:49:01] <kirkt> shut- theres the helpfile
[21:49:07] <kirkt> which is more like a book
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[21:50:05] <shut-> well i need to learn to compile it with eclipse
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[22:00:17] <rcjsuen_> shut-: what is "it"
[22:00:36] <shut-> java files...
[22:00:57] <rcjsuen_> shut-: Assuming your project is setup, it is already compiling.
[22:01:02] <rcjsuen_> shut-: Eclipse compiles "automatically".
[22:01:06] <rcjsuen_> Project > Build Automatically
[22:01:20] <rcjsuen_> whenever you change a file and save, it recompiles as necessary
[22:02:45] <Zerone> ello rcjsuen_ :)
[22:06:19] <rcjsuen_> hi
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[22:52:07] <rcjsuen> Does anyone know what Nikos is saying? http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/12/reflections.html
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[22:57:50] <kirkt> what do u mean rcjsuen?
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[22:58:49] <rcjsuen> why does one need to restart to "change languages"
[22:59:12] <kirkt> maybe he ment the CDT and jdt
[22:59:26] <rcjsuen> but you can have both on the same Eclipse installation
[22:59:31] <rcjsuen> Restarting does nothing.
[22:59:42] <kirkt> yea, i think he's relying on wrong conceptions
[22:59:43] <rcjsuen> If we're talking about changing perspectives, eve nafter restarting, you're still in the same perspective.
[22:59:47] <rcjsuen> Unless he means switching workspaces.
[23:00:37] <kirkt> whats that blog
[23:00:55] <rcjsuen> eh?
[23:01:35] <rcjsuen> i think the two sentences at the top of the page explains his blog
[23:01:52] <kirkt> i mean, whos that guy?
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[23:02:24] <rcjsuen> Chris? His profile's on the right hand side.
[23:02:30] <rcjsuen> "Chris Aniszczyk (zx) is a software engineer based out of Austin with a passion for software advocacy, building communities and Eclipse-related technologies."
[23:02:37] <rcjsuen> "I'm a software engineer who has a passion for Eclipse, software evangelism and tooling. I also have a knack for building communities, especially in the open-source space."
[23:02:43] <rcjsuen> If you mean who's Nikos, I don't know.
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[23:18:31] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: It sounds to me like he's asking for the ability to change from eg English menus to French menus on the fly
[23:18:55] <njbartlett> Which might be useful in some kind of kiosk application I suppose
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[23:20:39] <rcjsuen> ah
[23:20:41] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: good catch
[23:21:19] <rcjsuen> hm
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