[00:04:49] <trungl> thakis: awake again
[00:06:30] <Martin___> in google chrome my TP test lands at 5Mbit/s up and down
[00:06:34] <Martin___> and in firefox it lands at 15
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[00:12:50] <evmar> thakis: std|denis prolly got the text in a different normalization form :P
[00:13:06] <thakis> evmar: oh, right
[00:13:19] <thakis> which means he probably doesn't use winxp :-)
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[00:20:12] <evmar> http://i.imgur.com/8ZrT2.png
[00:20:25] <evmar> just sayin'
[00:20:57] <thakis> you allow lower-case letters?!
[00:21:46] <trungl> crap, I think I just crashed MacChrome
[00:23:34] * trungl reconsiders this being awake thing.
[00:27:08] <evmar> does wave work for anyone's @chromium?
[00:27:22] <evmar> these guys are doing a wave and they are laughing at me because i don't have an account
[00:27:59] <thakis> evmar: doesn't work for me. planned to send me an invite for a while, but didn't get around to it yet
[00:28:04] <thakis> evmar: want an invite? :-D
[00:29:50] <evmar> i think gustavo invited
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[00:39:54] <e3co> how can I make chromium the default browser from the cli with a chroot?
[00:40:17] <e3co> in debian  based linux distro running lxde
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[00:47:16] <evmar> i love how specific this q is
[00:52:27] <thakis> and still no answer within 6 minutes
[00:53:23] <trungl> possibly partly because it was so specific
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[01:06:57] <evmar> no, it's because he left
[01:07:05] <evmar> the answer is xdg-settings, in case anyone else asks
[01:07:16] <evmar> ok, i'm four beers in and it's sunday at 1am
[01:07:18] <evmar> time to go
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[01:22:28] <thakis> trungl: do you know why there's an NSImageView containing image NSUser in TabView.xib?
[01:22:36] <thakis> trungl: that can't be intended?
[01:23:01] <thakis> (it's at y=72, so it's not visible)
[01:23:17] <trungl> Probably not.
[01:23:33] <trungl> That seems a bit odd.
[01:24:12] <trungl> thakis: Do you know who added it and when?
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[01:24:55] <thakis> trungl: no. i don't dare to run `git blame` on xib fies
[01:24:56] <thakis> l
[01:25:20] <trungl> I suggest checking out old versions and seeing if it's there.
[01:25:29] <thakis> trungl: (besides, i have tons of local mods in there atm)
[01:25:33] <thakis> trungl: well, go ahead :-)
[01:25:42] <thakis> trungl: i'll take a look tomorrow if you don't beat me to it
[01:26:17] * trungl hates IB's UI, and can hardly accomplish anything in it.
[01:27:23] * trungl throws caution to the wind and runs git-blame on it.
[01:27:30] <trungl> Anything is better than IB.
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[01:28:11] * trungl (or at least git) blames pinkerton.
[01:28:41] <thakis> i wouldn't have needed git for _that_ :-)
[01:28:43] <thakis> what revsions?
[01:28:46] <thakis> *revision
[01:29:14] <trungl> Do you want to guess? Give me a ballpark guess!
[01:29:22] <thakis> :-D
[01:29:52] <trungl> I'll buy you a beer if you're within 2000.
[01:30:30] <trungl> (To clarify what "within 2000" means, it may mean "within 2001" to some people.)
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[01:30:39] <trungl> (But only if you don't cheat.)
[01:30:53] <thakis> is looking at pink's checkins considered cheating?
[01:31:20] <thakis> totally revision 27439
[01:31:21] <thakis> right?
[01:31:58] <trungl> I claim it's 11541.
[01:32:27] <trungl> Review URL: http://codereview.chromium.org/43137
[01:32:28] <thakis> that's within 20000! i get 1/10 beer
[01:32:55] <thakis> what, it's been in there all the time
[01:32:56] <thakis> ?
[01:32:57] <thakis> wow
[01:33:17] <trungl> Shows you how good IB is at revealing silly things like this.
[01:33:48] * trungl 's idea of a beer is 1 L, so thakis gets 100 mL. Still not so much.
[01:34:09] <thakis> where in the world is "one beer" == "one liter of beer"?
[01:34:22] <trungl> Munich, clearly.
[01:34:33] <trungl> Of admittedly weak beer.
[01:37:33] <thakis> oh, right
[01:38:59] <trungl> But perhaps you'd prefer 1/10 of a pint, which only complicates matters (since we'd then have to figure out how much a pint is).
[01:38:59] <ferret> 568 mL
[01:39:04] <ferret> Definitely :D
[01:39:31] <ferret> None of this US rubbish
[01:40:04] <trungl> 568.26125 mL. None of this rounding rubbish!
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[01:40:17] <thakis> trungl: i think pink owes us a beer each for putting that image in there, so you can just relay 1/10 of yours to me?
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[01:41:03] <ferret> Transitive beer economics?
[01:41:21] <trungl> Sure. Pink owes you 1.1 beers and me 0.9 beers.
[01:41:44] * trungl thinks thakis should file a bug, noting the beer situation.
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[01:45:33] <thakis> trungl: cl sent
[01:45:57] <trungl> looking
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[01:48:55] <trungl> thakis: I believe pink is off until January.
[01:49:05] <thakis> trungl: ok, then i'll submit
[01:49:19] <thakis> tree closed?
[01:49:25] <trungl> for maintenance
[01:49:26] <thakis> bah
[01:49:34] <thakis> well, then i'll get some groceries instead
[01:49:35] <thakis> bbiab
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[03:40:46] <trungl_afk> biab
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[05:49:55] <Hanumaan> does gmail offline work in linux chrome ? if so how ?
[05:56:16] <thakis> Hanumaan: no, doesn't work
[06:02:41] <trungl> Does Linux Tests (dbg)(1) need to be rebooted or something?
[06:05:19] <Hanumaan> how to download pdf's in chrome linux ? pdfs does not work
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[06:08:21] <thakis> trungl: yeah, looks like it
[06:08:43] <trungl> thakis: do you have the power?
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[06:09:18] <thakis> trungl: no, i have no powers i'm aware of
[06:09:27] <trungl> alas
[06:10:09] <trungl> thakis: you should get the password to the bots (well, maybe *I* should get the password)
[06:10:21] <thakis> trungl: and then you can leak it to me
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[06:10:40] <thakis> then again, then people would ask me to do stuff all the time
[06:10:56] <trungl> which is why I think it'd be better if you got the password
[06:10:58] <trungl> :-P
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[06:17:28] <thakis> sweet, IMEs input in flash doesn't work in chrome/mac
[06:17:42] <thakis> i.e. you can't use chrome to operate http://www.givechrome.com if you use chrome
[06:18:20] <DaveS> works for me..
[06:18:33] <DaveS> oh chrome mac..
[06:20:37] <thakis> DaveS: you know what IME means?
[06:21:08] <DaveS> Input Method Editor?
[06:21:34] <thakis> DaveS: yes. so you can enter e.g. "ö" on that page?
[06:21:47] <thakis> oh, you said "oh" not "on"
[06:21:51] <thakis> well, nevermind then :-)
[06:22:17] <thakis> this ime stuff is platform-specific, it's broken on os x but maybe not on other platforms
[06:22:33] <DaveS> it doesn't work on Win Chrome either
[06:22:33] <DaveS> =)
[06:23:22] <DaveS> "ö <-- looks like this
[06:23:22] <thakis> DaveS: :-(
[06:23:23] <DaveS> Erm, well not like that
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[06:23:42] <thakis> DaveS: maybe you can file a bug for that?
[06:23:50] <thakis> I filed http://crbug.com/30905 for the mac problem
[06:24:03] <DaveS> it's probably not a windows\mac kind of problem
[06:25:06] <thakis> DaveS: mac is worse, i don't get anything even close to "ö"
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[06:27:22] <DaveS> I get TildeA Paragraphy
[06:28:48] <thakis> DaveS: how do you try to write "ö"?
[06:29:01] <DaveS> Unicode
[06:29:19] <thakis> alt-0123 ?
[06:29:28] <thakis> (but with the correct code)
[06:29:43] <DaveS> ö
[06:29:57] <DaveS> Actually first time I just copied yours
[06:30:11] <DaveS> Ahh
[06:30:11] <DaveS> Unicode does work in chrome
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[06:33:53] <thakis> DaveS: only copying my ö didn't? :-)
[06:34:26] <DaveS> no
[06:34:31] <DaveS> but that might be an mIRC problem
[06:34:41] <thakis> DaveS: does it work if you paste it in notepad?
[06:34:49] <DaveS> yep
[06:35:01] <DaveS> your character or mine?
[06:35:04] <thakis> i guess the cause is that unicode is denormalized on os x (where i typed my ö) and wndows
[06:35:06] <thakis> mine
[06:35:10] <DaveS> No
[06:35:11] <DaveS> yours does not
[06:35:22] <thakis> ok, then i'd blame mirc
[06:35:34] <thakis> or incompatible encoding settings of our irc clients
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[06:37:28] <pronto> Ö
[06:37:35] <pronto> ?
[06:40:41] <DaveS>  ? is way better tha =)
[06:41:32] <pronto> indeed it is, but not everyones irc client has right encoding x.x
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[06:49:14] <thakis> trungl: any ideas why there's a UI localizer in TabView.xib?
[06:49:35] <trungl> thakis: accessibility?
[06:49:47] <thakis> huh?
[06:52:25] <trungl> Are there any elements which have a description of some sort?
[06:52:38] <trungl> (for accessibility purposes)
[06:53:19] <trungl> (there might *used* to be)
[06:53:41] <trungl> thakis: check when the UI localizer was added?
[06:54:51] <trungl> thakis: possibly (likely) I don't know what I'm talking about
[06:54:57] <trungl> (but you probably already figured that out)
[06:55:49] <thakis> the "New Tab" string is localized i suposed
[06:57:10] <trungl> but is anything handled automagically by the UI localizer?
[06:57:48] <thakis> i doubt it
[06:58:01] <thakis> there's also the tab's context menu, but that's not in the nib either
[06:58:43] <trungl> thakis: it probably used to be in the nib, maybe
[06:58:53] * trungl ponders if pink removed it recently.
[06:58:56] <thakis> maybe
[06:59:04] * trungl would have been the one to review the change.
[07:01:05] * trungl forgot to tell pink to describe his xib changes in the description. D'oh!
[07:01:06] <trungl> http://codereview.chromium.org/500030
[07:01:10] <trungl> thakis: ^^
[07:02:13] <thakis> trungl: why was this not done on gtk too?
[07:02:55] <trungl> thakis: I don't know.
[07:03:04] <thakis> trungl: (but yeah, looks like you forgot to remove the localizer)
[07:03:29] <trungl> thakis: by "you", presumably you mean pink :-)
[07:04:03] <trungl> thakis: could you do so now, if it isn't too much trouble?
[07:04:08] <thakis> trungl: it was 2nd person plural
[07:04:24] <trungl> trungl: stupid English
[07:04:45] * trungl is talking to himself again.
[07:04:54] <thakis> trungl: maybe tomorrow or in a few minutes. as i said, i have a few changes to that file and don't feel like changing branches right now
[07:05:05] <trungl> thakis: ok
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[07:18:02] <thakis> trungl: maybe you can check with miranda what the plans for the language dialog are and inform her that it might have ramifications on how Accept-Language should be set (which in turn has ramifications on IDN display?but it sounds the real bug, if there is one at all, is A-L population)
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[07:19:40] <trungl> thakis: does it display properly if you change languages?
[07:19:53] <thakis> trungl: i don't know, too lazy
[07:21:06] <trungl> It does, in fact.
[07:23:10] <thakis> well then
[07:23:14] <trungl> The way languages I don't understand are displayed sequentially with ones I do (with no distinction) seems to be a design flaw of the Mac preferences.
[07:23:18] <thakis> i _still_ like ff's behavior better
[07:23:35] <trungl> Now you know what you have to do if you want to see öbb.at in its full umlaut-ed glory.
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[07:23:43] <thakis> ("whitelist domains where the domain registry's only permit a small subset of non-confusable characters")
[07:24:06] <trungl> You should file a feature request for that.
[07:24:12] <trungl> I would support it.
[07:24:19] <thakis> too lazy
[07:24:37] <thakis> there's only .2 * 24 hours in a 20% day
[07:24:49] <thakis> well, off to bed early today
[07:24:58] <thakis> tab_controller is too annoying for me righ tnow
[07:24:59] <thakis> cu
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[07:38:21] <jrforbes> trungl: looks like the flash IME is also broken in Safari on that SWF.
[07:38:37] <jrforbes> (re: unicode in flash)
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[07:39:53] <trungl> jrforbes: is it just that particular swf?
[07:40:02] <jrforbes> not sure. checking a handful of swfs
[07:40:13] <jrforbes> looking like it might be webkit though
[07:41:45] <trungl> http://www.givechrome.com/ works properly for me in Safari
[07:41:49] <jrforbes> hmm.
[07:42:43] <jrforbes> yeah, anything coming in from the IME doesn't seem to input (even simple characters like é)
[07:42:46] <jrforbes> for me
[07:43:17] <jrforbes> ?????definitely doesn't work as well
[07:43:37] <jrforbes> what flash version are you using?
[07:43:58] <thakis> jrforbes / trungl: http://crbug.com/30905 ?
[07:44:05] <jrforbes> yep
[07:45:22] * thakis reads scrollback
[07:45:32] <thakis> jrforbes: at least deadkeys work in safari
[07:45:35] <jrforbes> hum
[07:45:56] <jrforbes> well japanese text is not working in both, which i am sure is font related
[07:46:07] <jrforbes> but firefox works fine, safari not
[07:46:15] <trungl> strange
[07:46:18] <thakis> jrforbes: no, in chrome it's not font related (at least, not only :-P)
[07:46:38] <jrforbes> afaik, flash uses its own font rendering
[07:46:42] <thakis> night again
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[07:47:00] <jrforbes> so if a font is lacking something like say, japanese characters they won't show :(
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[07:47:35] <trungl> strange that it works in ff but not in safari
[07:48:42] <jrforbes> indeed
[07:49:02] <trungl> anyway, I'm outta here
[07:49:04] <trungl> 'night all
[07:49:07] <jrforbes> night.
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[12:37:58] <johnmn3> go here in chromium: http://gauss.ececs.uc.edu/Users/Franco/Week6/H7/InputStreamTest.java.html
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[12:39:14] <johnmn3> possible security issue there.
[12:39:36] <johnmn3> unless that's some intended feature?
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[13:03:52] <stricjux> mornin
[13:03:53] <stricjux> I'm developing a website for Chromium and FF (both linux) and I'm having problems with the box model. Seems like Chromium uses CSS parameter height to include the border in the height calculation, while in FF the actual height of a block is css_height+border (which I think is correct). Is chromium using some kind of quirks mode?
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[13:12:44] <apavlov> Folks, can anyone consult me on writing an SSL test (ssl_browser_tests and similar)?
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[14:15:36] <maruel> apavlov: jcampan wrote them first but it's been a long time, maybe he can forward you to someone else
[14:15:51] <maruel> stricjux: try to compare to safari
[14:16:08] <maruel> stricjux: if you can have access to a mac or windows machine
[14:17:48] <maruel> johnmn3: I don't see the problem?
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[15:23:00] <Phlogi> where does chromium save its settings again?
[15:23:43] <Phlogi> ah .conf
[15:23:45] <Phlogi> :)
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[16:02:05] <mdeonte> So if I download google chrome for Linux.. Is it going to work as good as Chroium now?
[16:04:19] <mdeonte> I am not sure which I should download.
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[16:19:14] <johnmn3> maruel: are you using it on windows or linux?
[16:19:39] <johnmn3> for me, that page is automatically compiling and running the .java files on that webpage.
[16:19:44] <johnmn3> seems weird to me.
[16:20:04] <johnmn3> I don't even understand how it's doing it.
[16:21:08] <johnmn3> anyone with chromium on linux: http://gauss.ececs.uc.edu/Users/Franco/Week6/H7/InputStreamTest.java.html
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[16:50:31] <disismt> Hi, I am using 4.0.277.0 (35087) . imdb.com pages after loading cannot be scrolled, either by mousewheel, pageup-pagedwn or any other means. Is any issue already files for this?
[16:50:44] <disismt> *filed
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[17:32:09] <motownavi> Any mac-heads around for a cl?
[17:33:15] <zer0her0> cl?
[17:33:20] <rsesek> motownavi: what kind of cl?
[17:33:25] <motownavi> accessibility
[17:34:05] <rsesek> I haven't done any a11y, so I'm probably not the best reviewer
[17:34:19] <rsesek> but I can take a look if noone else is around
[17:34:20] <motownavi> I haven't done accessibility either until this cl
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[17:34:28] <motownavi> it's a ghost town...
[17:34:31] <zer0her0> i'm willing to give it a shot as well
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[17:36:23] <motownavi> zer0her0, you a committer?
[17:36:35] <zer0her0> no haha
[17:36:39] <motownavi> rsesek: take a look at http://codereview.chromium.org/504059 and see if it's something you know
[17:36:52] <rsesek> motownavi: looking
[17:37:18] <zer0her0> motownavi: things would go very badly if i was given committer status :)
[17:38:56] <motownavi> :) well you can look at that cl anyway if you want
[17:39:04] <trungl> motownavi: i'm here
[17:39:13] <trungl> it's not a ghosttown
[17:39:20] <motownavi> trungl: do you know accessibility?
[17:39:30] <trungl> no?
[17:39:33] * motownavi refuses to use silly abbreviations like a11y
[17:39:48] <zer0her0> motownavi: yea i'm looking to learn :)
[17:39:50] * rsesek didn't want to make a spelling mistake
[17:39:51] * trungl thinks a11y looks a little too much like a real word.
[17:39:58] <motownavi> just looking for someone who knows what they're doing, since I don't but still am privileged to do the work anyway
[17:40:43] <rsesek> does tvl do accessibility stuff?
[17:40:53] <rsesek> I feel like that's up his alley
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[17:41:20] <motownavi> is tvl around?
[17:41:34] <rsesek> he's not in IRC, which is the extent of my ability to check that :)
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[17:43:45] <rsesek> motownavi: LGTM, after reading through http://developer.apple.com/ue/accessibility/accessibilitycustomviews.html
[17:43:48] <rsesek> fwiw
[17:43:57] <motownavi> yeah, that's what I was going by
[17:44:05] <motownavi> so we have a tab group that owns tabs
[17:44:13] <motownavi> which is exactly what safari does
[17:44:36] <motownavi> rsesek: can you mail the LG on the review?
[17:44:41] <rsesek> sure
[17:45:09] <rsesek> motownavi: though can you make the CL description a bit better?
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[17:46:56] <thakis> trungl: re per-tld whitelist: maybe best to talk with brettw or jshin in person / direct mail. i'm not completely sure if i still agree with this; having behavior that's compatible with a major browser is a good thing when you're writing a fringe browser ;-)
[17:48:24] <trungl> thakis: Rumour is that Firefox is also a major browser.
[17:49:07] <thakis> trungl: it's unrealistic that we switch from being compatible with IE to being compatible with Ff wholesale without any real reason
[17:49:31] <thakis> trungl: and doing some hybrid of what the two do means doing something custom :-)
[17:49:59] <trungl> thakis: I think being good for people who live in multi-lingual locations is a good reason.
[17:50:52] <trungl> (or *are* multi-lingual)
[17:50:56] <motownavi> rsesek: you're right; changing
[17:51:17] <thakis> trungl: tweaking what we send for A-L should satisfy their needs for the most part afaiu
[17:52:22] <trungl> thakis: I disagree. I'm never going to put a large number of languages in for A-L, but I'd still rather see a proper domain name in those languages rather than encoded garbage.
[17:52:24] <thakis> trungl: and that's enough of me playing devil's advocate?now that i know that chrome sometimes does not display punycode (and that that "sometimes" triggers most of the time, relative to the world's population), i'm more or less content either way
[17:52:49] <trungl> You're easy to please. :-P
[17:53:10] <thakis> trungl: i completely agree, and if we were making this decision from scratch, i'd be completely on your side. but we're not, so i'm ambivalent
[17:53:29] <thakis> trungl: changing stuff like this has a high cost (that's mostly invisible to us)
[17:53:47] <trungl> thakis: But what exactly are the costs of this?
[17:55:03] <thakis> trungl: if we use firefox's approach wholesale, we're at the mercy of the whitelisted tld registrars, and at least the IE team decided that's not a good idea, maybe for good reasons. jshin would know why we decided the same, i would assume good reasons too
[17:55:30] <thakis> trungl: if we do some hybrid approach, website devs need to be aware of our behavior and take it into account
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[17:56:19] <thakis> trungl: it's hard to say for me. it's more a diffuse "this is part of our current public interface, and changing public interfaces always breaks something according to experience" feeling
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[17:57:22] <trungl> thakis: Probably it'll break stuff, but I think it's bad that I can type in a perfectly sensible URL and have it turned into unintelligible garbage. It's a terrible user experience.
[17:58:19] <thakis> trungl: then there's this "don't change decisions unless there's new data" paradigm ( http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/decisions.html ) which is frustrating at times (e.g. now) but good in general as it makes sure things progress and you don't end up discussing the same old things all the time. chrome-team seems to stick to that, and that's a very good thing
[17:58:45] <thakis> trungl: agreed?the Real Bug is that the IDN standard didn't specify something here
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[18:00:32] * trungl ponders data.
[18:00:41] <thakis> (one annoying thing about that "decisions.html" document is that it's somewhat easy to play; sometimes people get something changed that they want to see changed and when someone else wants to change it back, the person who did the first change points to that document)
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[18:10:22] <sehr> anyone know why the object tag causes two NPP_NewStream calls to the data URL?
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[18:11:32] <thakis> sehr: the plugin dudes i know of are not around? piman__ might know?
[18:12:03] <sehr> @thakis -- my experts weren't here either.  Thanks for the suggestion of piman.
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[18:36:38] <slightlyoff> morning all
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[18:37:53] <thakis> morning, slightlyoff
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[18:55:20] <WildFox> moin moin
[18:55:27] <slightlyoff> howdy
[18:55:53] <WildFox> IIRC chrome has try bots around, how can I submit a patch for testing there?
[18:56:09] <rsesek> WildFox: are you a committer?
[18:56:10] <WildFox> (working on a larger SVG DOM JS bindings rewrite, that potentially break V8)
[18:56:15] <WildFox> rsesek: no.
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[18:56:21] <thakis> WildFox: you can't, only committers can. be you can ask us to do it for you
[18:56:32] <WildFox> rsesek: I'm a webkit reviewer if that helps :-)
[18:56:32] <thakis> WildFox: oh, a webkit change
[18:56:57] <WildFox> yeah, I want to avoid the pain to watch the buildbots for hours to keep on fixing v8 brekage
[18:57:00] <WildFox> so I'd rather test in advance
[18:57:09] <thakis> WildFox: dunno how the webkit trybots work, i thought they run automatically when you attach a patch to a bug and tell you "you broke us" as comment on the bug if you break something
[18:57:24] <thakis> WildFox: abarth and eseidel would know
[18:57:28] <WildFox> thakis: sure, but you'll never know when the "early warning bots" kick in
[18:57:34] <slightlyoff> well, that's what the new EWS bots are for, yeah
[18:58:08] <WildFox> you know what, I'm going to test the EWS bots first
[18:58:23] <thakis> WildFox: the try bots at build.chromium.org only work for stuff that's not pulled from DEPS as far as i know (so they don't work for webkit changes)
[18:58:25] <WildFox> maybe it works out-of-the-box and I get the error logs i'm looking for
[18:58:30] <thakis> WildFox: EWS is all we have for webkit stuff
[18:58:32] <WildFox> thakis: aha, thanks
[19:00:35] <maruel> WildFox: I'm working on wekbit try bot
[19:00:48] <WildFox> thakis: do you know if dglazkov joins today?
[19:00:50] <maruel> should be open to chromium devs soon, will roll out broder access after
[19:00:58] <WildFox> maruel: very nice!
[19:01:24] <thakis> WildFox: no?but when he's here, he usually joins 8am-9am, so i assume he's not here today
[19:02:25] <maruel> WildFox: dglazkov is on vacation
[19:02:50] <WildFox> thakis: ok, whom else may I bug with v8 <-> WebCore/bindings questions? :-)
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[19:04:54] <rsesek> does anyone know if you can @encode a C++ pointer (safely)?
[19:04:59] <rsesek> in Obj-C
[19:05:06] <WildFox> maruel: k, thanks
[19:05:07] <slightlyoff> WildFox: so what's the question?
[19:05:31] <slightlyoff> WildFox: it's been a long time since I spent any time in the bindings, but perhaps I can fake it ;-)
[19:05:37] <thakis> WildFox: dunno more than svn blame tells me?looks like eseidel reviewed a bunch
[19:05:46] <eseidel> what'd I do no?
[19:06:25] <eseidel> WildFox is a webkit reviewer, but not a chrome committer
[19:06:30] <thakis> eseidel: can you help WildFox with v8 bindings?
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[19:06:44] <WildFox> hey eseidel
[19:07:02] <thakis> rsesek: i can tell you that http://www.google.com/search?q=@encode has an interesting image result onebox
[19:07:18] <rsesek> haha
[19:07:54] <WildFox> slightlyoff: I don't have a "real question" (yet), it's just that I have made a bunch of changes to CodeGeneratorJS.pm, and I need to apply similar changes to CodeGeneratorV8.pm. As I can't test V8 stuff myself, I'd need someone to take a look at the patch, and say wheter I've forgot obvious things :-)
[19:08:03] <WildFox> slightlyoff: (V8 handles "SVG context" completly different than JSC)
[19:08:13] <thakis> rsesek: shouldn't pointer-to-void work?
[19:08:46] * thakis remembers having used this when fighting with pyobjc
[19:08:54] <rsesek> thakis: yes, it's more of a question if you do [in an NSValue, e.g.] it for a C++ type can you avoid having to re-cast a void?
[19:09:02] <slightlyoff> WildFox: some combination of eseidel's smarts and me brute-forcing may be able to help get us there
[19:09:02] <rsesek> *void*
[19:09:27] * eseidel hides
[19:09:29] <thakis> rsesek: i doubt it, but you can probably hide the cast in a template container
[19:09:31] <WildFox> slightlyoff: excellent - I'm going to do a blind-implementation of the v8 changes, then come back to you :-)
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[19:09:41] <eseidel> where are our v8 binding peoples
[19:09:50] <eseidel> abarth, dglazkov, fishd, etc.
[19:10:07] <slightlyoff> not sure about abarth, dglazkov is out
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[19:10:25] <eseidel> and mads? erikkay? mbelshe?
[19:10:26] <thakis> rsesek: typed_nsvalue_wrapper<T> or something, with a "T* get()" that does the cast to T internally
[19:10:56] <rsesek> thakis: but the point of NSValue is that I can stick it in a cocoa collection :)
[19:11:07] <slightlyoff> hopefully enjoying some well-deserved time off? ;-)
[19:11:21] <WildFox> slightlyoff, eseidel: my life would be much easier if I could get the generated v8 SVG*.* bindings
[19:11:29] <WildFox> anyone would be so nice to tar and mail it to me? :-)
[19:11:50] <eseidel> WildFox: I don't have a chromium build handy, but slightlyoff might
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[19:12:10] <eseidel> if no one does, I' happy to make one
[19:12:20] <thakis> rsesek: c++ collections are better anyway? :-) but yeah, you're right, that's was a pretty stupid suggestion. i'll shut up.
[19:12:35] <slightlyoff> one sec....
[19:12:58] <andybons> who's familiar with NotificationRegistrar?
[19:13:02] <thakis> WildFox: i have a chromium build, if you tell me where this file is generated i can send it to you
[19:13:16] <thakis> andybons: e.g. estade
[19:13:22] <rsesek> thakis: I need bindings, which stdlib doesn't have? I'm bridging a C++ model to Obj-C
[19:13:32] <rsesek> s/stdlib/stl
[19:13:35] <WildFox> thakis: good question :-) for JSC, it would be WebKitBuild/Debug/DerivedSources/WebCore/JSSVG*.* :-)
[19:13:44] <andybons> estade: ping?
[19:13:48] <WildFox> thakis: I guess they're named V8SVG*, and live somewhere in your build
[19:14:38] <eseidel> WildFox: update-webkit --chromium and build-webkit --chromium shoudl work for you
[19:14:42] <eseidel> WildFox: does it not?
[19:15:08] <WildFox> eseidel: ...3 hours later :-)
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[19:15:28] <eseidel> WildFox: just sayin. :)  for the future
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[19:17:46] <thakis> WildFox: I have a bunch of V8SVGfoo.cpp files in xcodebuild/DerivedSources/Debug/webcore/bindings/. does that sound right? want me to send them to you?
[19:18:02] <WildFox> thakis: yeah, excellent
[19:18:09] <WildFox> thakis: zimmermann at webkit dot org
[19:18:44] <WildFox> need a reboot, brb
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[19:23:59] <rsesek> thakis: the exciting answer is maybe? :) http://pastebin.com/f1d0b5029
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[19:26:00] <thakis> rsesek: it encodes the vtable as a single int? :-D
[19:26:17] <thakis> rsesek: oh, no that comes from your struct
[19:26:25] <thakis> rsesek: what happens if you try to encode a class with a vtable?
[19:27:45] <rsesek> thakis: k
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[19:31:04] <WildFox> re
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[19:31:22] <thakis> WildFox: sent
[19:31:33] <WildFox> thakis: thanks a lot
[19:32:32] <WildFox> oh another Ni(c|k)o in the project :-)
[19:32:47] <WildFox> sogar deutsch! ;-)
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[19:35:29] <thakis> :-P
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[19:36:13] <slightlyoff> mac build failure?
[19:36:53] <thakis> where?
[19:37:03] <rsesek> page_cylcer_moz-http
[19:37:05] <slightlyoff> http://chrome-buildbot.corp.google.com:8010/builders/Chromium%20Mac/builds/3756/steps/page_cycler_moz-http/logs/stdio
[19:37:30] <rsesek> I don't see how, though...
[19:38:03] <rsesek> let's see if it cycles green
[19:38:14] <rsesek> in 4000 seconds....
[19:38:26] <estade> andybons: I don't have any special knowledge of notificationregistrar, but I can try to answer a question
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[19:45:36] <thakis> trungl: btw, since you said you didn't know about the l10n list, it's documented at http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/design-documents/ui-localization/mac-notes if you think this is interesting
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[19:55:55] <andybons> estade: I found my answer. breakpoints ftw :
[19:55:56] <andybons> :)
[19:56:04] <estade> great
[19:56:16] <andybons> estade: i was curious about the lifecycle of a registrar originally
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[19:58:41] <rsesek> thakis: yea, this isn't gonna work :P
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[19:58:53] <rsesek> oh well? casting it is
[19:59:22] <thakis> rsesek: out of interest, what is this for? and how much code do you really save by using bindings?
[19:59:34] <rsesek> thakis: cookie manager
[20:00:04] <thakis> hm, that sounds like it might even be worth it then
[20:00:21] <rsesek> bindings save a lot of code, especially when working with NSOutlineView
[20:00:28] <rsesek> which the interface uses
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[20:19:40] <scherkus_> anyone have experience following http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxChromiumArm ?
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[20:24:18] <thakis> scherkus: i think shenki wrote that page
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[20:24:54] <scherkus_> shenki: ping? :)
[20:24:59] <scherkus_> it's the rootfs step
[20:25:17] <scherkus_> I'm on hardy which makes using rootstock a little tricky
[20:26:31] <slightlyoff> looks like failing test on linux_x64 is actually marked flaky
[20:26:46] <slightlyoff> just gonna cycle it
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[20:46:46] <rsesek> is kmillikin here?
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[21:14:05] <maruel> webkkit xp perf 1 is dying, will take a while to recover
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[21:16:27] <slightlyoff> "dying"?
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[21:25:41] <rsesek> bbiaf
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[21:31:37] <zer0her0> i keep getting a error 1 on make of external_metrics_unittest.o
[21:31:43] <zer0her0> building on Ubuntu 9.10
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[21:37:54] <rsesek> markmentovai: do we have an FY bot for 10.6 SDK or are you just testing locally?
[21:37:57] <rsesek> *FYI
[21:38:03] <markmentovai> rsesek: local
[21:38:20] <markmentovai> rsesek: one of my machines is set up to build with the 10.6 SDK exclusively
[21:38:27] <markmentovai> i'm the fyi bot.
[21:38:55] <rsesek> heh ok
[21:39:10] <rsesek> just wondering
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[21:40:05] <jamesr> hey mac people
[21:40:11] <jamesr> what's up with this? : http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/perf/mac-release-10.5/moz-http/report.html?history=1000
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[21:40:51] <august> is sandboxd spamming my console because i have the dev-channel build? or is that just what it does?
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[21:42:17] <trungl> jamesr: it's a beautiful curve, no?
[21:42:29] <jamesr> no, it kind of isn't
[21:42:34] <jamesr> who's tracking this?
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[21:43:12] <trungl> jamesr: maybe TVL was looking at this?
[21:43:30] <trungl> or maybe something similar
[21:47:02] <rsesek> thakis: can you look at mac-ui-valgrind-3?
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[21:47:26] <rsesek> lots of UNKNOWN task message [id 3405, to mach_task_self(), reply 0x1303] messages in the stdio of http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/waterfall/builders/Chromium%20Mac%20UI%20(valgrind)(3)/builds/1045/
[21:48:11] <trungl> rsesek: I don't know about the messages, but the failure is unrelated
[21:48:24] <rsesek> ah okay
[21:50:07] <trungl> possibly we should just exclude WorkerFastLayoutTests from Mac valgrind
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[21:50:48] <trungl> 'cause its failure mode is to do nothing for 20 minutes (at which point we kill it)
[21:50:55] <rsesek> ah
[21:50:59] <rsesek> is it consistently flaky?
[21:52:30] <trungl> "consistently flaky"?
[21:52:38] <rsesek> :)
[21:52:44] <trungl> it fails on a fairly regular basis
[21:52:51] <trungl> but it also succeeds more often than it fails
[21:54:41] <thakis> rsesek: the UNKNOWN messages have been there since the dawn of time
[21:54:57] <rsesek> yes I see that now after checking the bottom of the waterfall
[21:55:11] <rsesek> I thought it was related to your mach change
[21:55:30] <thakis> rsesek: yes, me too, that's why i checked this last week :-)
[21:56:00] <thakis> jamesr: didn't thomasvl mail chromium-dev because of that?
[21:56:07] <thakis> oh, trungl said that already
[21:56:32] <trungl> markmentovai: do you have any idea about jamesr's question above?
[21:56:58] <markmentovai> jamesr: tvl was
[21:57:00] <jamesr> bloat http is also producing a lovely "up and to the right" graph with huge error bars
[21:57:27] <markmentovai> this stuff has become weird.  i can take a look too but i don't have the time right now
[21:59:57] <jamesr> so how are legit mac-only perf regressions being detected currently?
[22:01:33] <rsesek> jamesr: are you talking about mac-perf-1's most recent run?
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[22:02:18] <jamesr> rsesek: no, talking about this graph: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/perf/mac-release-10.5/moz-http/report.html?history=1000 or this one: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/perf/mac-release-10.5/bloat-http/report.html?history=1000
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[22:05:36] <jamesr> coworkers are telling me that the current mac dev channel is significantly slower than beta. the thing to do then is to look at the perf graphs and see if anything regressed, right? but half the graphs show an incredibly badly trending curve
[22:06:09] <jamesr> but the pattern looks bogus
[22:06:30] <jamesr> so do we have anything that really tracks perf of the beta cut rev vs the dev channel cut rev?
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[22:07:15] <akalin> wait, mac dev channel is still on beta branch, right?
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[22:08:09] <thakis> akalin: yes
[22:08:14] <thakis> ("wait"?)
[22:08:24] <thakis> ah
[22:08:45] <thakis> jamesr: what kind of perf are your coworkers complaining about?
[22:08:57] <thakis> jamesr: and might the reason be that they use debug builds? :-)
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[22:10:53] <akalin> thakis: i see, so it's just on a later rev
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[22:14:24] <thakis> trungl: so?what's the plan with snej's bookmark thing? we'll land it, right? (once it's through review)
[22:15:35] <trungl> thakis: yes, waiting on an update from him though
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[22:17:37] <thakis> trungl: 'case arv is marking the extension stuff he needs for the domui bm as blocking m5 on mac
[22:17:41] <thakis> which seems untrue
[22:17:47] <selckin>  /B #java
[22:17:51] <selckin> err sorry
[22:17:52] <thakis> selckin: +
[22:17:53] <thakis> 1
[22:18:25] <trungl> thakis: it's unclear what the ship status of the native bookmark manager is (whether we'll ever actually ship it or not)
[22:18:37] <thakis> trungl: see what you started :-)
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[22:21:50] <jrg> thakis: as far as I know, the plan is still to get arv's work in the next beta.
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[22:23:22] <thakis> jrg: but on all platforms i would hope?
[22:23:41] <jrg> thakis: initially Mac and ChromeOS.  Later who knows.
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[22:26:29] <thakis> jrg: i strongly vote to switch from the native managers to the domui on alll non-chromeos platforms on the same time, to fight the conspricacy theorists (if we're taking votes :-) )
[22:26:50] <rsesek> ++on that. also for support reasons
[22:27:03] <rsesek> 1 help doc to rule them all
[22:27:16] <jrg> thakis rsesek: patience.
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[22:29:13] <hey_joe> anyone alive today?
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[22:29:27] <hey_joe> i have the latest build, and NONE of my favicons are working..
[22:29:32] <hey_joe> not even google.com...
[22:29:44] <hey_joe> is there a fix for this, or a recent build where it is last working?
[22:29:56] <akalin> latest build of what?
[22:30:07] <hey_joe> of chromium for mac with working favicons
[22:30:19] <akalin> you mean from the continuous builds?
[22:30:24] <hey_joe> yes
[22:30:35] <akalin> mmm
[22:30:36] <hey_joe> im on 30597 now
[22:30:52] <hey_joe> er i mean 35097
[22:30:54] <rsesek> hey_joe: try specifying a user-data-dir/new profile directory
[22:31:50] <hey_joe> wipe out my profile and restart chromium?
[22:32:35] <hey_joe> still nothing, when i go to google.com, all i see is the stupid star, no favicon
[22:32:59] <akalin> you could do binary search on this and the last good build you had
[22:33:14] <rsesek> hey_joe: there should be a favicon on the tap
[22:33:15] <hey_joe> hrm, this is the only build i have tried..
[22:33:16] <rsesek> *tab
[22:33:19] <akalin> oh
[22:33:23] <hey_joe> aaaahhhhh
[22:33:27] * hey_joe is retarded
[22:33:30] <rsesek> not to the left of the URL
[22:33:31] <akalin> if this is your first time trying chrome/chromium you may want to stick with a more stable version
[22:33:34] <rsesek> that's the bookmark button
[22:33:39] <akalin> oh
[22:33:39] <hey_joe> ah
[22:33:45] <hey_joe> whats the most stable version in the builds?
[22:33:51] <rsesek> hey_joe: google.com/chrome
[22:33:58] <hey_joe> oh
[22:34:04] <akalin> http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=mac
[22:34:05] <hey_joe> bleh, extensions wont work with that
[22:34:07] <rsesek> that will also auto-update
[22:34:10] <hey_joe> :-/
[22:34:12] <akalin> hey_joe: that is true :|
[22:34:12] <hey_joe> i NEED my extensions
[22:35:01] <akalin> but if the favicon thing is your only problem you're good to go :)
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[22:36:29] <hey_joe> other than the major lack of themes :-/
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[22:38:55] <hey_joe> any good way to organize the bookmarks.. it seems kinda feature less
[22:39:26] <akalin> that's the other missing major feature
[22:39:32] <hey_joe> ah
[22:39:38] <hey_joe> its ok, thats why i use xmarks :-/
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[22:39:51] <hey_joe> nice browser though... much easier to debug javascript/css
[22:39:55] <hey_joe> jquery shit
[22:39:57] <hey_joe> THANK YOU
[22:40:17] <akalin> really? how does it compare to firebug etc.
[22:40:26] <akalin> (i haven't worked with either much)
[22:40:41] <hey_joe> i liked firebug because it would show the jquery created elements, where as view source would not...
[22:42:04] <hey_joe> the javascript debugger is nice in chromium... much better than firebug
[22:43:13] <akalin> neat
[22:44:35] <jamesr> thakis: dev channel != debug
[22:45:09] <jamesr> thakis: complaints are either "everything in gmail is now slow" or "everything in wave"
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[22:51:35] <slightlyoff> jamesr: caused by?
[22:51:56] <jamesr> slightlyoff: no idea. http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/perf/mac-release-10.5/bloat-http/report.html?history=1000 is not enlightening
[22:52:19] <rsesek> jamesr: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=30220 by any chance?
[22:52:34] <slightlyoff> oy
[22:52:57] <jamesr> several other mac perf bots show the same kind of graph
[22:53:16] <slightlyoff> that bloat graph scares the crud out of me
[22:53:29] <jamesr> or http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/perf/mac-release-10.5/moz-http/report.html?history=1000
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[22:54:31] <slightlyoff> yeowza
[22:54:48] <slightlyoff> jamesr: that's really, really bad....maybe send mail to chromium-dev?
[22:55:11] <jamesr> tvl did already
[22:55:16] <slightlyoff> oh, OK
[22:56:21] <jamesr> and there is crbug.com/30069
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[23:01:25] <rsesek> so http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/perf/mac-release-10.5/moz-http/report.html?history=200 shows that we spike back down to t_ref on occasion
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[23:02:49] <hey_joe> anyway to add more start squares?
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[23:04:30] <tfarina> akalin: yt?
[23:05:16] <akalin> tfarina: yeah, i'll look at your changelist in a bit
[23:05:55] <tfarina> akalin: ok, thanks.
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[23:29:22] <rsesek> macperf is red again
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[23:32:44] <zer0rez> getting a make error on external_metrics_unittest
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[23:35:56] <rsesek> slightlyoff: there's a lot of mac valgrind red
[23:36:19] <slightlyoff> it's been in-and-out for a while, mostly timeouts
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[23:38:25] <nkos> hello, im currently trying to make chrome under ubuntu linux 64bit with the shared object setting, after some heavy googling it looks like make is throwing an error when attempting to link against nspr, heres the linker errors: http://pastebin.com/mabb7ceb
[23:38:32] <nkos> any ideas what could be causing this?
[23:39:24] <rsesek> slightlyoff: the current runs (tsan, at least), look legit
[23:40:17] <rsesek> willchan: can you look at mac-tsan? http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/waterfall/builders/Chromium%20Mac%20(tsan)/builds/1435/steps/valgrind%20test:%20net/logs/stdio
[23:40:30] <awong> nkos: Did you run the install_build_deps script and follow the other instructions on the http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions page? It looks like you have a missing dep?
[23:40:46] <willchan> rsesek: looking
[23:41:06] <nkos> yeah i did, ill run through them again, and have a re-read, i thought that might be the case ( missing dep )
[23:41:18] <nkos> libnspr is installed tho, so maybe its another missing dep
[23:41:23] <nkos> ill have a go again
[23:41:33] <awong> nkos: Try running the install_build_deps.sh that's in your checkout out source tree.
[23:41:57] <awong> sometimes the wiki is out of date.  (If it is, please update. :D )
[23:42:01] <rsesek> slightlyoff: all three mac valgrind errors have similar stack traces
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[23:42:12] <rsesek> related to mac keychain it seems...
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[23:44:08] <zer0rez> anyone have any feedback on how to fix an issue with external_metrics_unittest on Ubuntu 9.10
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[23:54:32] <willchan> rsesek: debugged it, it looks like a very subtle data race referenced in http://crbug.com/25385, i'll have a fix shortly
[23:54:40] <rsesek> willchan: thanks
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