[00:00:58] <The_8472> i thought most stuff can be styled via css
[00:01:15] <DeHackEd> and while gtk1's file selection dialog is quite bad, I would dare say gtk2's is worse. And Stupid.
[00:02:08] <uau> font set? can't you use at least all truetype fonts?
[00:02:41] <uau> it's not like gtk2 would have some fixed list of fonts that can be used
[00:02:56] <The_8472> as i said, it can be styled via CSS ...
[00:03:06] <DeHackEd> The_8472: could you link me to further information?
[00:03:12] <The_8472> or was that qt? i always confuse those two
[00:04:08] <uau> it does have configurable styles, but i don't remember seeing any mention of css in connection with them
[00:04:09] <The_8472> ah, qt has stylesheets
[00:19:08] <ShadowJK> The thing about upgrading Xchat is that it feels like having a hedgehog shoved up your rectum
[00:20:51] <uau> how so?
[00:22:49] <The_8472> woah... i just heard something interesting on another channel. some israeli ISP apprently faked or manipulated tracker announces to get users banned from private sites
[00:23:13] <The_8472> pretty elaborate and sneaky if it's true
[00:23:30] <The_8472> but with comcast doing what they're doing i can see that happening
[00:31:07] <uau> would they really get some benefit from that?
[00:31:30] <uau> i mean the ISP would presumably want to prevent their users from using bandwidth
[00:31:53] <uau> would getting the users banned from some private tracker sites really reduce their bandwidth use?
[00:35:32] <K`Tetch> yes
[00:35:43] <K`Tetch> esp as the tracker then bans other isp members
[00:35:55] <K`Tetch> and a lot of private rackers play folow-the-leader
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[01:11:36] <romeo1> i feel like vomiting after eating a meal what should i do?
[01:13:01] <DeHackEd> leave the room?
[01:13:27] <DeHackEd> as in, now
[01:13:52] <DeHackEd> The_8472: yeah, I can see it now.
[01:13:55] <DeHackEd> romeo1: please leave
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[01:22:44] <bparkis> is peer to peer file sharing banned under most residential ISP agreements on the grounds that you are not allowed to act as a server?
[01:25:22] <K`Tetch> you're not really acting as a server though
[01:27:17] <The_8472> it's peer to peer and not client server after all
[01:28:32] <The_8472> though you might see "reasonable use" clauses in the agreements which impose fuzzy limits how much you may upload/download
[01:36:48] <ShadowJK> I actually have a connection that specificially disallows p2p :-)
[01:36:52] <ShadowJK> in its tos
[01:37:25] <The_8472> :roll:
[01:37:37] <The_8472> "you are not allowed to use a specific network infrastructure model"
[01:38:26] <The_8472> that's like saying no UDP, but SCTP is ok
[01:38:57] <ShadowJK> In practice they just wrote it there so that they have excuse to kick off the "Users with world record level transfer"
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[01:39:31] <ShadowJK> There are far more evil TOS available :-)
[01:39:31] <The_8472> yeah
[01:39:44] * ShadowJK saw one on theregister recently
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[01:40:38] <The_8472> some UMTS plans are advertised as unlimited, the TOS say it's unlimited... as long as you only use email and webbrowsing
[01:40:53] <The_8472> otherwise it's metered by the megabyte
[01:41:07] <ShadowJK> I have two unlimited gprs/edge/umts plans
[01:41:16] <ShadowJK> One of them has the p2p limitation
[01:41:37] <ShadowJK> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/12/rogers_new_unlimited_data_plan/
[01:41:48] <ShadowJK> This one doesn't even let you use device or browser of your own choice :-(
[01:42:03] <The_8472> ah yes... rogers... our arch-nemesis
[01:42:48] <The_8472> i think they were the first big isp to do heavy traffic shaping
[01:46:22] <The_8472> hah, tiscali was actually the first one we listed
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[02:06:10] <romeo1> i hate being set up do you?
[02:07:11] <DeHackEd> !weakestlink romeo1
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[02:07:47] <DeHackEd> Odd, I was sure that was scripted.
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[02:08:41] <romeo1> i hate being set up do you?
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[02:09:06] <DeHackEd> I guess you'd know.
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[02:35:00] <TheSHAD0W> Tired: Having your catalytic converter stolen because of the platinum inside it.
[02:35:10] <TheSHAD0W> Wired: Bypassing your own catalytic converter and selling it yourself.
[02:36:32] <DeHackEd> ?
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[03:39:48] <K`Tetch> firon you here?
[03:41:23] <Firon> ?
[03:41:46] <K`Tetch> something up with p2pnet?
[03:41:52] <K`Tetch> can't seem to log onto any servers
[03:42:06] <K`Tetch> esp the utorrent link
[03:42:09] <K`Tetch> irc.ut
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[06:27:40] <Firon> works for me K`Tetch :P
[06:40:43] <K`Tetch> does now
[06:40:48] <K`Tetch> been talking with numbers about it
[06:40:52] <K`Tetch> servers were being upgraded
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[11:28:22] <runey> Hey... can someone explain to me in simple terms how to communicate with a tracker to get the amount of peers and seeds..... or point me to a premade app?
[11:31:08] <void^> http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Tracker_.27scrape.27_Convention
[11:32:12] <runey> : - /  theres one bad thing about linux workspaces.... you cant tell if pressing on a link worked if your browser and client are on two different workspaces... i opened 4 copies of that link before i realised : - /
[11:45:40] <runey> how can i get data from torrents so i can form the announce url?
[11:46:36] <runey> oh....
[11:46:49] <runey> my bad :( i cat'd the file and forgot to scroll up : - $
[11:59:09] <runey> :S all i get is This file is for BitTorrent clients.
[12:03:04] <runey> cyas
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[14:43:49] <TheSHAD0W> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080217-researcher-maps-out-plan-to-target-bittorrent-uploaders.html
[14:58:36] <The_8472> that would call for restricted subsets... clustering
[14:58:42] <The_8472> to prevent IP-harvesting
[14:58:53] <The_8472> though that would be bad for the swarm dynamics
[15:00:48] <The_8472> or dissociate connections from the material that's being transfered... though that would be very complex...
[15:03:14] <TheSHAD0W> Or run it through...  Damn it, what's the name again?
[15:03:17] <TheSHAD0W> That anonymizing network.
[15:03:28] <TheSHAD0W> ipsec?
[15:03:30] <TheSHAD0W> No...
[15:03:40] <The_8472> tor/i2p?
[15:03:45] <TheSHAD0W> i2p.
[15:03:56] <The_8472> that's rather costly
[15:04:07] <The_8472> an 2- to 3-fold bandwidth increase
[15:04:13] <TheSHAD0W> Or 1.5.
[15:04:25] <TheSHAD0W> .5, actually.
[15:04:43] <TheSHAD0W> Solves other problems too.
[15:04:44] <TheSHAD0W> Anyway.
[15:04:47] * TheSHAD0W shrugs
[15:04:52] <The_8472> i wouldn't be sure that 0/1-hop routes would be sufficient
[15:05:21] <The_8472> as they only grant deniability, but wouldn't prevent the kind of harvesting attack the mpaa would do
[15:06:01] <The_8472> so you need at least full 1-hop routes
[15:06:16] <TheSHAD0W> Mmm.
[15:06:47] <TheSHAD0W> Anyway, I'm off, l8.
[15:06:52] <The_8472> and 1-hop-routes mean: me -> my tunnelendpoint -> your tunnel endpoint -> you
[15:07:05] <The_8472> that's 3 times the me -> you bandwidth
[15:07:09] <The_8472> on a global perspective
[15:07:49] <The_8472> maybe only one person using a 1-hop route could cut it down to 2 times the normal bandwidth
[15:07:50] <The_8472> but that's it
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[17:49:56] <imgrey> evening #bittorrent
[17:50:26] <imgrey> have someone seen tracker wuth ratio system ?
[17:50:41] <imgrey> not on php
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[17:58:49] <The_8472> no
[18:04:40] <K`Tetch> I thought XBT could
[18:04:46] <K`Tetch> or does that use php as well
[18:05:14] <The_8472> hrrm... right, there was one php to c++ rewrite
[18:06:04] <The_8472> bnbt
[18:06:28] <The_8472> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNBT
[18:06:32] <The_8472> and see also
[18:11:07] <imgrey> it is not compilling
[18:11:37] <imgrey> bnbt_mysql.cpp:83: error: ?CFG_GetInt? was not declared in this scope
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[19:08:23] <miraage> Anyone know of an script/application that will do batch torrent downloading? I have say a list of things I want to download and I want it to use the usual suspect search engines and get the most seeded/leeched files?
[19:17:26] <cyb2063> just pick the best torrents and queue them in your torrent client?
[19:17:53] <miraage> picking is the part I want to automate
[19:18:42] <cyb2063> well there is no way to pick the 'best' torrent automatically, but there are rss-plugins.
[19:18:54] <miraage> What's an rss-plugin?
[19:19:03] <The_8472> ask google
[19:19:08] <The_8472> about RSS
[19:19:20] <miraage> I know all about RSS.
[19:19:31] <cyb2063> do you know what a plugin is?
[19:19:40] <miraage> A plugin to what?
[19:20:01] <The_8472> your browser, your client... depends...
[19:20:12] <The_8472> anyway, you can use rss to download torrents
[19:20:30] <miraage> Like, search and get back results in RSS form?
[19:20:44] <cyb2063> no
[19:21:04] <cyb2063> like using rss feeds and filtering them to download or not.
[19:21:31] <miraage> Ah. Got a link to such a rss-plugin?
[19:21:59] <cyb2063> depends on your client, www.google.com is good for a start.
[19:22:35] <miraage> I use transmission.
[19:22:45] <miraage> I'll take a look
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[20:15:56] <pdu> evening all
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[23:44:20] <The_8472> gah... peer uploading at 100B/s
[23:44:29] <The_8472> those users need to be shot

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