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[00:19:46] <plugwash> are there any tools that can compare a torrent against a file already on the system and say if it matches
[00:20:09] <__henke__> yes
[00:20:22] <plugwash> can you tell me what they are?
[00:20:34] <The_8472> a torrent client of your choice
[00:20:55] <__henke__> any torrentclient, or lots of other tools, to pick two,  cfv  and torrenttool
[00:21:37] <The_8472> heh, didn't know that cfv does torrents too
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[00:32:50] * plugwash just tried cfv and it doesn't seem to work
[00:32:54] <plugwash> it just says 0 files 0 ok
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[02:07:32] <The_8472> http://torrentfreak.com/pirated-by-itunes-artist-turns-to-bittorrent-080206/ <- hrrm, sweet double standards
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[06:40:21] <Learnr> i want to know what is torrents?
[06:41:16] <Learnr> ???
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[08:42:03] <imgrey> morning #bittorrent
[08:43:25] <imgrey> how to receive  number of seeders, leechers, downloads and other statistic regarding certain torrent ?
[08:43:32] <imgrey> using bittornado
[08:45:50] <imgrey> is anyone alive ?
[09:46:51] <nOgAnOo> just me
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[12:12:01] <plugwash> i'm trying to write a tracker, currently it is set up to always respond the same way and I have checked the response with a web browser and found it to be d8:intervali10e5:peersld2:id20:123456789012345678902:ip9:127.0.0.14:port5:67890eee which looks sane to me
[12:12:40] <plugwash> but both azureus and btdownloadcurses barf on it
[12:12:48] <plugwash> any idea what I might be doing wrong?
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[12:33:11] <benjo2> So lets say I host a large site that has a lot of bite size torrents (say 500x 30MB size); we currently ship a reasonable amount of them (1000s/day); what is the preferred (opensource) way to generate the torrent file, and then let the tracker know? (we would also provide seeding for the files in perpetuity)  Is mod_bt appropriate; our site is automated, so we can run  processes to generate the .torrent and load into a tracker if requir
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[16:39:32] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/02/fourth_undersea.html - FIVE cables now down.
[16:42:22] <The_8472> wait until an NSA front offers help with restoring the cables
[16:42:32] <TheSHAD0W> Naw, this is way too fast.
[16:42:48] <TheSHAD0W> I don't think this is monitoring any more, I think we're talking censorship.
[16:43:20] <The_8472> hrrm... then who is the target?
[16:43:26] <TheSHAD0W> Iran.
[16:43:48] <The_8472> i don't see them as a threat on the internet
[16:44:04] <TheSHAD0W> Just blue-skying here, but what if the US is trying to prevent Iran from sending orders to perform terrorist attacks?
[16:44:19] <TheSHAD0W> Or to keep them from announcing the US is attacking?
[16:44:39] <The_8472> then they'd have to cut off the internet for the entire region... completely
[16:44:42] <The_8472> including satellite access
[16:44:53] <TheSHAD0W> Yup.
[16:44:57] <The_8472> otherwise news will get through
[16:45:31] <TheSHAD0W> Undersea cables would be the most difficult targets, so they're blocking them first.
[16:45:45] <TheSHAD0W> They'll take the easy ones just before whatever action is being planned.
[16:46:46] <TheSHAD0W> Satellite, I bet they can be isolated in software.  US wouldn't even need to shoot it down.
[16:47:22] <The_8472> not all sats are owned by the US
[16:47:50] <TheSHAD0W> No, but most are beholden to them - and their owners probably would NOT like the US to shoot them down.  :-P
[16:48:44] <The_8472> US shooting down sats from foreign countries would be... well...
[16:49:08] <The_8472> if they shoot down chinese communication sats then that would be as good as a declaration of war
[16:49:54] <TheSHAD0W> Mmm, would Iran be in range of any Chinese comsats?
[16:50:38] <The_8472> geostationary sats have a pretty broad angle assuming their dishes make use of the full visible field
[16:51:17] <TheSHAD0W> Mmm...  A lot don't, though.  Makes more sense to focus your dishes more tightly, reduces the power requirements.
[16:51:30] <The_8472> true
[16:51:45] <The_8472> but i highly doubt this is any offensive action
[16:53:15] <The_8472> could even be some crazy isolationists
[16:53:20] <TheSHAD0W> Damn strange.
[16:58:15] <ShadowJK> Does anyone remember the animated map of serbian internet connectivity during the campaign there? :)
[17:00:05] <The_8472> nope
[17:03:14] <ShadowJK> aw
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[17:56:22] <NinjaELF> is there a way to get bitdownloadheadless to resume a download after a power failure?
[17:56:52] <NinjaELF> last time it just overwrote the files and started from the beginning of the download. :(
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[20:43:03] <plugwash> i'm trying to write a tracker, I have compared my response to the spec and I can't see anything wrong with it. utorrent is happy with my response but azureus gives "error: [B cannot be cast to java.lang.Long". btdownloadcurses also fails with an equally unhelfull error
[20:44:50] <The_8472> paste the result
[20:45:09] <The_8472> http://rafb.net/paste/
[20:45:10] <uau> so do you expect someone here to be able to tell the problem based only on that error message you yourself call "unhelpful"?
[20:46:13] <plugwash> no but I would like a hint as to how to debug it, I think I have an idea what the problem is now though
[20:46:38] <The_8472> |20:45:04| <The_8472> paste the result
[20:46:39] <The_8472> |20:45:22| <The_8472> http://rafb.net/paste/
[20:46:50] <The_8472> your tracker response
[20:47:00] <plugwash> i've just realised the spec is a little ambiguous, it doesn't say if port should be an integer or a string, i'm sending it as a string at the moment
[20:47:34] <The_8472> oh, you're using the non-compact spec...
[20:47:57] <The_8472> http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Tracker_Response
[20:48:00] <The_8472> anyway, that one is pretty clear
[20:48:07] <The_8472> "port: peer's port number (integer) "
[20:49:45] <uau> plugwash: does utorrent actually work if you give it a text string instead of a number? or does your "is happy" only mean that it does not give a visible error (and instead silently fails to do anything useful)?
[20:50:14] <plugwash> I haven't implemented enough to answer that question yet
[20:50:50] <The_8472> most trackers use the compact model these days anyway
[20:51:06] <plugwash> what exactly is the compact model?
[20:51:22] <plugwash> and is the spec on bittorrent.org still considered the authoritive one?
[20:51:25] <The_8472> http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Tracker_HTTP.2FHTTPS_Protocol
[20:51:27] <The_8472> "compact: Indicates the client accepts a compact response. The peers list is replaced by a peers string with 6 bytes per peer. The first four bytes are the host (in network byte order), the last two bytes are the port (again in network byte order). It should be noted that some trackers only support compact responses (for saving bandwidth) and refuse normal requests. "
[20:51:44] <The_8472> the one on bittorrent.org is outdated
[20:52:18] <plugwash> sounds like compact responses make ipv6 support impossible :(
[20:52:31] <The_8472> there is an ipv6-compact spec
[20:52:45] <The_8472> http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=38
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[22:00:48] <imgrey> how to access tracker info without scrape ?
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[22:07:29] <DeHackEd> I'm pretty sure one exists somewhere... but to get around java security, it would need to be signed, and unless you get it signed by someone with high authority, it might raise security concerns by the JVM on startup...
[22:07:42] <DeHackEd> bitlet.org turns up something...
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[22:08:54] <The_8472> and there also is a firefox extension for bittorrenting
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[22:08:59] <The_8472> opera does bittorrent too
[22:09:38] <The_8472> but those perform poorly compared to a real bittorrent client from what i've heard
[22:10:27] <saizai> how does bitlet do it?
[22:10:45] <saizai> & could it eg be configured to pretend it's part of the site
[22:11:15] <DeHackEd> I think bitlet is designed for this one site...
[22:11:25] <DeHackEd> but java blew my web browser sky high, so I'm not going to investigate it further.
[22:11:42] <saizai> pity
[22:11:59] <DeHackEd> I don't use java in my browser. ever. so I'm not surprised it did that.
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[22:18:37] <imgrey> The_8472, I need to receive statistics like leechers, seeders count and number of downloads.
[22:19:25] <imgrey> on linux
[22:19:27] <imgrey> in console
[22:19:32] <imgrey> on server
[22:19:43] <imgrey> preferably with python
[22:20:03] <uau> from your own tracker running on the same host?
[22:20:05] <imgrey> and bittornado
[22:20:15] <imgrey> uau, yes
[22:20:25] <uau> bittornado tracker?
[22:20:32] <imgrey> yes
[22:20:53] <imgrey> I was looking through it's source, but there's no comments
[22:20:56] <imgrey> at all
[22:21:16] <uau> i don't think it has an interface other than the HTTP one (status page or scrape queries)
[22:21:47] <plugwash> I imagine the torrent core of something like azureus could be modded for use in java web start or an applet
[22:21:53] <imgrey> uau,  but it has --dfile option
[22:21:54] <uau> unless you count parsing the periodically saved state file...
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[22:23:10] <imgrey> uau, tnx. do you know ant tool for retrieving such info from tracker via scrape ?
[22:23:20] <imgrey> s/ant/a
[22:24:51] <plugwash> most torrent clients should contain code to do it that you can copy
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[22:46:06] <The_8472> btw, does anyone know why some mainline-DHT nodes would chaing their port occasionally? does some client randomize ports every once in a while?
[22:51:05] <void^> rtorrent uses a random port (in a given range)
[22:51:46] <The_8472> hrrm, i see
[22:53:42] <thewird_> http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-blocked-by-isp-080204/
[22:55:10] <DeHackEd> seen it
[22:55:23] <thewird_> ^_^
[22:56:26] <DeHackEd> and a message to the HD-DVD/Bluray format war: I thought we'd established by now, I don't like either of you. So competing for my attention won't do you much good.
[22:57:10] <thewird_> HD-DVD is dead
[22:57:13] <thewird_> lost
[22:57:14] <thewird_> caput
[22:57:22] <thewird_> useless format like betamax
[22:57:25] <thewird_> :)
[22:57:42] <The_8472> wasn't betamax the technically superior format?
[22:57:46] <DeHackEd> yeah, but both formats still have their encryption and other bullshit, so I probably won't be using them unless it comes down to DVD being killed
[22:57:50] <DeHackEd> The_8472: it was
[22:57:56] <thewird_> yes but it cost more
[22:58:00] <thewird_> that was the problem
[22:58:13] <The_8472> well, bluray is technically superior and costs more to manufacture
[22:58:15] <The_8472> and it won
[22:58:15] <DeHackEd> as for superior in this war, the only think I know (and I could be wrong about this) is bluray is higher capacity, so I must defer to that
[22:58:20] <The_8472> bad comparion there ^^
[22:58:30] <thewird_> yes because it comes with every ps3
[22:58:37] <The_8472> indeed
[22:58:44] <thewird_> so its really cheaper to some extent since a majority will have it just because of that
[22:58:49] <The_8472> but anyway, AACS is broken for the time being
[22:59:09] <thewird_> encryption will never work with consumer products
[22:59:11] <The_8472> and afaik there are no BD+ disks in the wild
[22:59:15] <thewird_> because the users have their hands on the hardware
[22:59:21] <DeHackEd> broken as in, keys flying around? I thought they could revoke those keys just as they could with DVD keys. (not that it matters in practice with DVDs)
[22:59:22] <The_8472> thewird_, DRM won't
[22:59:38] <The_8472> DeHackEd, it takes them months to revoke the keys
[22:59:47] <The_8472> so you only need a handful of keys at any point of time
[23:00:10] <DeHackEd> and I fully expect that at some point the next version of the software dvd player will have its keys extracted as well
[23:00:26] <The_8472> indeed
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