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[03:31:40] <TheSHAD0W> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120147963641320851.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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[04:33:25] <mage> is there any clients that can be told to download with a priority on downloading in order?
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[11:57:50] <init0> moin
[11:57:59] <TheSHAD0W> Heh.
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[13:09:48] <init0> hi TheSHAD0W
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[16:21:12] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/29/midem_john_kennedy/
[16:25:06] <kjetilho> ugh.  he must understand it's impossible to eradicate "the choice of free"
[16:25:30] <kjetilho> and people don't think it's "easy" -- it's just "easier" :-/
[16:25:31] <TheSHAD0W> I'm worried that it might be.
[16:25:44] <kjetilho> worried that it's possible?
[16:25:47] <TheSHAD0W> Yes.
[16:26:02] <kjetilho> perhaps in the US
[16:26:59] <TheSHAD0W> There's a huge amount of money involved in keeping people from trading files.  Combine that w/ commercial software interests and government interests and we may wind up with TCPA locking down all future computer equipment.
[16:29:46] <kjetilho> we need more legitimate torrent content :)
[16:29:53] <kjetilho> like http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/29/norwegian-broadcaste.html
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[16:48:51] <The_8472> TheSHAD0W, that would require that any and all software gets signed, which would basically prohibit the use of FOSS... and there are too many interest groups behind FOSS now (including govts and big business)
[16:49:21] <The_8472> would be more likely that they mess up the internet on the ISP side
[16:49:43] <The_8472> like... mandatory NAT-like conditions for endusers
[16:56:22] <The_8472> rofl... they want people brainwashed into buying albums again oO
[17:03:12] <The_8472> but at least they're considering alternatives now
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[21:27:56] <bjames> does anyone here find that ktorrent absolutely sucks and eats almost all the bandwidth available (without actually having a decent up/download rate)?
[21:29:44] <DeHackEd> not only that. we also believe that it makes poor decisions with regard to what pieces to download and may hurt overall swarm health
[21:31:01] <bjames> I'm giving transmission a try
[21:31:19] <bjames> I used to get on very well with Bitlord on windows
[21:31:35] <bjames> I could set the upload rate quite high and still get a decent download
[21:31:40] <bjames> everyone wins ;-)
[21:34:13] <The_8472> bitlord is crap
[21:34:26] <The_8472> has poor queue and slot control, among other things
[21:35:17] <bjames> well it downloaded things nice and fast for me
[21:35:25] <bjames> and didn't impact my web surfing
[21:35:32] <bjames> I guess your mileage varied
[21:36:39] <bjames> what does everyone here recommend for Linux then?
[21:43:31] <firefly2442> Deluge for Linux is nice, they keep adding features and improving stuff
[21:49:02] <cyb2063> bjames: in the end you will need to find that out for yourself which client suites you most. :)
[21:49:49] <bjames> cyb2063: well some are just terrible - e.g. ktorrent, bloated and slow
[21:50:06] <bjames> I might even try bitlord with WINE
[21:50:12] <cyb2063> I like Azureus.
[21:51:17] <bjames> I tried it once in the early days
[21:51:26] <bjames> it was slow and pretty much unusable
[21:51:29] <bjames> I might try it again
[21:51:56] <cyb2063> like everything you will need to configure it properly.
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[22:10:19] <bjames> Azureus: drag files to crash
[22:10:20] <bjames> haha
[22:11:43] <firefly2442> just go with a commandline client, more street cred that way ;)
[22:12:03] <bjames> firefly2442: I like being able to easily see how things are doing
[22:12:12] <bjames> I have nothing against the command line normally
[22:12:25] <firefly2442> ya, I hear you
[22:12:41] <firefly2442> I'd say give Deluge a try
[22:15:46] <The_8472> <bjames> Azureus: drag files to crash <- lies
[22:15:54] <bjames> noe
[22:15:57] <bjames> nope*
[22:16:09] <bjames> opened Azureus, dragged a file, download started
[22:16:20] <bjames> dragged multiple files (9 to be precise) and it crashed
[22:16:38] <bjames> and whenever I try to open it again it crashes after the splash screen
[22:16:47] <The_8472> crash log please
[22:16:56] <The_8472> http://rafb.net/paste/
[22:17:57] <bjames> where are Azureus logs?
[22:18:03] <bjames> I can't see any in /var/log
[22:18:04] <firefly2442> what Java version you running?
[22:18:15] <The_8472> the crash log would be in the working directory
[22:18:25] <firefly2442> if you're in Linux it's borked with 1.6 I think..
[22:18:26] <bjames> java version "1.5.0"
[22:18:26] <bjames> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.2.1 (Ubuntu 4.2.1-5ubuntu5)
[22:18:30] <The_8472> .....
[22:18:33] <The_8472> use sun java
[22:18:41] <firefly2442> ya
[22:18:42] <The_8472> and use an official Az build from our page
[22:18:51] <The_8472> distro stuff is broken, that's not our fault
[22:19:00] <bjames> this might be something for you to fight out with Ubuntu
[22:19:10] <The_8472> we already told them
[22:19:15] <The_8472> repeatedly
[22:20:03] <firefly2442> this URL work for you guys? http://deluge-torrent.org/
[22:20:06] <firefly2442> I can't get it to load
[22:20:20] <The_8472> yes
[22:21:26] <bjames> do you want a crash dump anyway, or shall I just skip that?
[22:23:16] <bjames> The_8472: http://rafb.net/p/7MxnLx42.html
[22:23:42] <The_8472> that's not a crash dump, that's just hte debug log
[22:23:53] <The_8472> but no idea how gcj dumps are named
[22:24:13] <bjames> yeah, that's just all output piped into a file
[22:24:31] <bjames> oh well
[22:24:39] <bjames> I'm going to give up on Azureus for now
[22:24:42] <bjames> thanks anyway though
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[22:25:12] <The_8472> i hate thee, ubuntu
[22:25:19] <cyb2063> hehe
[22:26:37] <bjames> I think Ubuntu is very good considering
[22:26:58] <bjames> it's brought a lot more people to the Linux scene and made it accessible to people who would otherwise run a mile
[22:27:34] <bjames> of course, credit has to be paid to the Debian guys as well for this
[22:27:37] <The_8472> they don't even manage to fix package dependencies over a year after we told them to
[22:28:08] <firefly2442> I think they need more packagers
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[22:28:34] <bjames> The_8472: would it make sense to have one of your developers contribute to their distro?
[22:29:00] <The_8472> we already provide a tarball, including a working startup script
[22:29:16] <The_8472> but they insist on customizing stuff and building from source etc...
[22:30:21] <cyb2063> FreeBSD somehow manages to compile it from source without messing it up,
[22:30:29] <bjames> hmm, I guess you don't get on very well with the Gentoo guys either then
[22:30:34] <bjames> lol
[22:30:37] <The_8472> and we don't even support freebsd ^^
[22:31:00] <void^> well, the new maintainer seems reasonable and the package in gutsy-updates or gustsy-backports or whatever that repo is called seems to work quite well
[22:31:46] <bjames> if only there was only one distro that had only one way of distributing source/packages
[22:31:50] <bjames> *sigh*
[22:31:55] <The_8472> do they have sun as dependency now?
[22:32:45] <bjames> Ubuntu?
[22:32:53] <The_8472> yes
[22:33:43] <bjames> how do I find dependencies?
[22:33:48] <void^> that new package has icedtea or sun as dep i think
[22:34:11] <The_8472> mhm, then bjames apparently has some old repo / distro
[22:34:25] <bjames> I'm running 7.10
[22:34:40] <void^> the -updates/-backports repository isn't enabled by default i suppose
[22:34:44] <bjames> with (fooloishly) loads of repos checked
[22:34:48] <bjames> foolishly*
[22:39:35] <void^> are you using the 2.5.0.4-1ubuntu3~gutsy1 package?
[22:40:56] <bjames> erm
[22:41:41] <void^> (apt-cache policy azureus)
[22:42:16] <bjames> apt-cache bjames@newton:~/Desktop/uclibc/buildroot$ apt-cache policy azureus
[22:42:17] <bjames> azureus:
[22:42:17] <bjames>   Installed: 2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu1
[22:42:17] <bjames>   Candidate: 2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu1
[22:42:17] <bjames>   Version table:
[22:42:17] <bjames>  *** 2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu1 0
[22:42:19] <bjames>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[22:42:21] <bjames>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:42:34] <void^> that's the old, utterly broken package.
[22:42:42] <bjames> so it would seem
[22:42:49] <firefly2442> anybody here worked with debtorrent?
[22:43:38] <firefly2442> I've never used it but I was curious if it's still in active development
[22:46:57] <bjames> right, I have to be getting on
[22:47:01] <bjames> thanks for the advice all
[22:47:19] <bjames> and good luck getting Ubuntu (et all) to sort out their packagers/build systems
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