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[03:37:06] * DeHackEd tries a manual kernel patch
[03:41:10] <The_8472> http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/ <- this is pure genius... most big channels could use that such a modbot :)
[03:44:29] * DeHackEd reads and raises an eyebrow
[03:46:49] <DeHackEd> nuissance: this patch includes all kinds of backports of existing patches, which the rejects are rejecting (go figure)
[03:47:14] <DeHackEd> why can't they just offer a dom0 and domU patch against some reasonably recent version of the kernel and let the maintainers deal with it on its own?
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[08:48:50] <rockets> w00t, i just found out the torrentflux site is back up
[08:48:54] <rockets> i was so afraid it was dead
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[14:19:40] <moriba> is there a speed difference between rapidshare and torrents
[14:19:43] <moriba> ???//
[14:20:30] <ShadowJK> yes
[14:21:08] <moriba> speedwise?
[14:21:16] <moriba> security?
[14:21:25] <rcjsuen> well, for starters one is p2p one isn't
[14:21:35] <rcjsuen> think that should say a lot already
[14:21:59] <ShadowJK> It's easy to answer questions like that, because nomatter what you use there will always be a speed difference
[14:22:32] <moriba> whats a scene release?
[14:22:56] <moriba> there are p2p release and scene...
[14:23:24] <gabetron> a scene release means the warez scene
[14:23:25] <ShadowJK> I'll quote the topic "Do NOT ask about files you can download"
[14:23:44] <gabetron> released via channels where it filters down from trusted / high speed members and eventually trickles to the public
[14:24:31] <moriba> thanks gabetron
[14:25:16] <moriba> anyways, i am came here to ask question about rapidshare b/c there is a fee for it... i just want to know if its worth it?
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[14:25:32] <funkywizard> back
[14:25:37] <moriba> worth paying for that is
[14:26:35] <moriba> i want to know if its faster than a torrentz
[14:28:27] <ShadowJK> I thought you had one download a day or something, without paying :-)
[14:30:52] <moriba> ShadowJK: is there a speed difference? is it much faster? guess i just have to go test it out myself???
[14:30:57] <moriba> :(
[14:31:04] <funkywizard> umm
[14:31:09] <funkywizard> they purposely speed cap the free version
[14:31:28] <funkywizard> depending on how good your internet connection is, and the routes the packets take, the paid version should certainly be faster
[14:31:35] <funkywizard> plus you can use a download accelerator with the paid version
[14:31:43] <funkywizard> if you use flashget or getright you can open up as many threads as you want
[14:31:52] <funkywizard> of course it will be faster
[14:32:51] <ShadowJK> dunno, I can saturate my download with either :-)
[14:33:07] <moriba> thanks! well, am trying out the free version.. let me see how fast it is.
[14:33:10] <funkywizard> if you can saturate your download with any particular method, obviously you cant do better than that
[14:33:34] <moriba> what does that mean to "saturate"?
[14:33:42] <funkywizard> max out
[14:33:49] <funkywizard> download at whatever speed your internet connection is rated for
[14:34:16] <moriba> how does one do that?
[14:34:26] <moriba> open ports?
[14:34:30] <funkywizard> uhhhh
[14:34:36] <funkywizard> how fast is your internet supposed to be?
[14:34:44] <funkywizard> if you're downloading that fast, or almost that fast, you're doing it
[14:35:59] <moriba> 21501 kbs down
[14:36:09] <funkywizard> you have 21 megabits?
[14:36:10] <funkywizard> jesus
[14:36:15] <moriba> 1400 kbs up
[14:36:25] <ShadowJK> It probably tests as something else on speedtests :-)
[14:36:39] <funkywizard> is that a test you ran, or what you're paying for?
[14:36:43] <moriba> yes
[14:36:55] <funkywizard> you cant answer yes to an either or question
[14:36:58] <moriba> i ran speedtest... its comcast
[14:37:01] <funkywizard> ok
[14:37:08] <funkywizard> didnt know comcast offered 20 megabit now
[14:37:12] <funkywizard> but ok
[14:37:25] <moriba> is that fast or slow?
[14:37:28] <funkywizard> i think they have some speed burst thing where the first X amount of transfer will go at double speed
[14:37:32] <funkywizard> 21 megabit is hella fast
[14:37:37] <funkywizard> i have 12 meg down 1 meg up
[14:37:45] <funkywizard> which was the fastest offered here, which is still really fast
[14:37:54] <funkywizard> so it would seem you have double that
[14:37:59] <moriba> wow
[14:38:09] <moriba> ok
[14:38:30] <funkywizard> its pretty rediculously fast
[14:38:39] <funkywizard> you can probably download 2.5MB/s
[14:38:40] <moriba> yes but the fastest torrents i have downloaded were 1.5 mbs down
[14:38:43] <funkywizard> ok
[14:38:47] <funkywizard> its probably 20 meg burst then
[14:38:55] <funkywizard> i can do 1.5MB down max
[14:38:56] <funkywizard> and i have 12 meg
[14:39:11] <kjetilho> moriba: fastest torrents I've downloaded went at 80 Mbps
[14:39:20] <funkywizard> yeah yeah
[14:39:40] <moriba> now i don't even get MBS speed on download... i only get kbs... under 100 kbs
[14:39:52] <funkywizard> suck
[14:40:03] <kjetilho> moriba: to get good speeds, you need a good community
[14:40:13] <moriba> but there are thousands seeders
[14:40:33] <moriba> kjetilho: you mean like a private group?
[14:40:40] <kjetilho> not necessarily
[14:40:45] <funkywizard> isnt comcast fucking with torrents now?
[14:40:48] <funkywizard> with reset packets
[14:40:54] <kjetilho> e.g. Linux distros are good communities :)
[14:40:59] <moriba> well i heard comcast is fucking torrents up\
[14:41:07] <moriba> lol! its in torrenfreak
[14:41:12] <kjetilho> funkywizard: they claim they're not -- only slowing stuff down
[14:41:22] <moriba> kjetilho: i run ubuntu gutsy
[14:41:24] <funkywizard> yeah but like most network admins they probably fucked it all up
[14:42:08] * kjetilho looks forward to usage based payment, so the ISPs can get rid of all those stupid hacks
[14:42:21] <funkywizard> honestly, b/w is hella cheap now
[14:42:30] <kjetilho> yeah, but not consumer level cheap
[14:42:30] <funkywizard> my hosting provider is paying comcast money for a connection to their network
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[14:42:48] <funkywizard> so when i push content to a comcast customer, comcast is making money
[14:42:53] <kjetilho> e.g. 100 Mbps costs a couple thousand per month
[14:43:02] <funkywizard> actually
[14:43:05] <funkywizard> if you have big commits
[14:43:08] <funkywizard> multi gigabit
[14:43:13] <funkywizard> its sub $10 / meg
[14:43:22] <DeHackEd> `morning.
[14:43:33] <funkywizard> for a big provider like comcast, some of the traffic they get they actually are paid money to receive it
[14:43:41] <kjetilho> funkywizard: even if you fill it up 24/7 ?
[14:43:42] <funkywizard> this is true for the big broadband providers
[14:43:58] * kjetilho doesn't know what "big commit" means
[14:44:02] <funkywizard> my hosting provider, if i want dedicated bandwidth, charges me $8 / meg
[14:44:11] <funkywizard> i pay less than that if i dont want guaranteed ability to use it
[14:44:12] <moriba> anyways i think i fucked up my connection or comcast did... i'm going to do another clean install of ubuntu... see if speeds get up again
[14:44:25] <funkywizard> big commit means, they have committed to say, >1gbps of capacity
[14:44:49] <funkywizard> my hosting provider is bringing on a 10 gigabit connection to comcast for example
[14:45:17] <funkywizard> so like, with torrents, download can only really equal upload
[14:45:29] <funkywizard> so for all intents and purposes you cant use much more bandwidth than your upload speed
[14:45:52] <funkywizard> if you have a 1 megabit upload, and you max it 24/7, you're costing your provider maybe $10 that month
[14:45:57] <DeHackEd> buying a bandwidth burst
[14:46:18] <funkywizard> bandwidth is usually billed based on 95th percentile usage, in wholesale
[14:46:23] <funkywizard> with some amount "committed"
[14:46:25] <kjetilho> very interesting.  this means the main cost for the ISP is non-variable: the infrastructure needed to bring your data from your home to their exchanges
[14:46:35] <funkywizard> i.e. "i will pay for X bandwidth even if 95th percentile use is less than X"
[14:46:41] <moriba> funkywizard: its funny my downspeed went down; and seems like internet speed went down too... b4 i could download alot of stuff GB files and still browse flawlessly... now im fucked
[14:46:55] <funkywizard> maybe you have an MTU or RWIN issue
[14:47:05] <funkywizard> those can cause that
[14:47:16] <funkywizard> yeah main costs for ISPs are infrastructure, support, and marketing
[14:47:33] <funkywizard> which is why its cheap from cable and phone companies, and really nobody else can enter the market
[14:47:50] <funkywizard> without the money from cable tv and local / long distance phone, theres no money to support the last mile infrastructure
[14:48:23] <funkywizard> ISPs trying to cut down usage from power users isn't so much trying to reduce some absurd cost you're imposing on them, its more like them trying to squeeze the last dollar out of their cost structure
[14:48:37] <kjetilho> lots of different companies are digging to deliver fiber to houses here now
[14:48:52] <funkywizard> also, the last mile connection is much more expensive than their upstream. so when you max your upload all the time, it really strains the last mile on the cable networks (not so much for dsl)
[14:49:01] <ShadowJK> If everyone was a power user, they'd have to upgrade infrastructure :)
[14:49:01] <kjetilho> we're not as spread out as US suburbs, though
[14:49:12] <funkywizard> oh, where you at?
[14:49:18] <kjetilho> Oslo, Norway
[14:49:21] <funkywizard> oh, alright
[14:49:30] <funkywizard> yeah that area of europe has faster internet im told
[14:49:37] <funkywizard> fiber is pretty common in sweden particularly
[14:49:42] <moriba> kjetilho: what distro do you use?
[14:49:43] <kjetilho> I'll be getting 100 Mbps fiber for USD 70/month in March, hopefully
[14:49:51] <kjetilho> moriba: Ubuntu Gutsy
[14:49:56] <funkywizard> yeah exactly. but up there, overseas bandwidth is pretty expensive
[14:50:06] <funkywizard> europe bandwidth has gotten pretty cheap recently im told
[14:50:27] <moriba> i think i'll downgrade to feisty...
[14:50:32] <funkywizard> your speeds are going to suck to the US (in general) anyway because of ping times versus your tcp receive window
[14:50:49] <funkywizard> you can get around that by increasing your RWIN or opening multiple simultaneous connections
[14:50:55] <kjetilho> Linux scales the window automatically, I haven't noticed it as a problem
[14:51:09] <moriba> funkywizard: i think your talking windows issues?
[14:51:27] <funkywizard> windows scales it automatically as well, but usually only scales it down. it has a max that you have to regedit to change. dont know how linux handles it
[14:52:06] <kjetilho> default RWIN in Windows is laughably low (perhaps fixed in Vista).  won't even be able to fill a gigabit LAN.
[14:52:12] <funkywizard> nope
[14:52:13] <funkywizard> its sad
[14:52:47] <moriba> anyways thanks you two... c'ya
[14:53:02] <funkywizard> good luck
[14:53:46] <ShadowJK> linux defaults depend on available ram, i think
[14:54:35] <DeHackEd> linux defaults are tweakable, and regardless of RAM, lowmem (<896M) is the limit on 32 bit systems
[14:55:10] <moriba> thanks... oh yeah i forgot FYI: when i use the internet thru a live disc... its much faster... big difference than an installed one
[14:55:12] <kjetilho> hah.  that would be a nice small window :)
[14:55:46] <DeHackEd> ?
[14:56:34] <moriba> DeHackEd: when i boot from a live cd... browsing speed is much faster than my installed ubuntu system
[14:56:54] <moriba> btw i boot a kubuntu live cd
[14:56:57] <DeHackEd> yeah that strikes me as odd. it should be no different, or maybe slower.
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[15:56:43] <TheSHAD0W`> I bet the browser cache may be on a RAM drive w/ the live CD.
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[22:08:52] * DeHackEd likes diff3
[22:48:59] <DeHackEd> great. xen isn't even consistent with iteslf... it can't build because it's missing some files out of itself. how do they build this stuff in the first place?
[22:49:26] <thewird> it works in the end somehow
[22:50:18] <DeHackEd> I have no idea how this works...
[22:50:46] <The_8472> that's why i prefer binary packages ^^
[22:51:04] <thewird> :)
[22:51:25] <DeHackEd> yeah that's nice, but 1) those are always poor choices over a custom build  and 2) there's a kernel flaw i want patched NOW
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[23:12:12] <thewird> DeHackEd, you realize since that kernel bug was only discovered now that it probably doesn't effect anything that you use since nobody has noticed it until now
[23:15:02] <DeHackEd> I'm also interested in the new scheduler from 2.6.23. it's just frustrating not having this as an option when linux damned well demands working source code as part of the license.
[23:15:10] <DeHackEd> ugh... I need pizza.
[23:15:35] <thewird> lol
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