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[02:16:51] <stiv2k> can i use bittorrent to securely send a file to one person
[02:17:17] <stiv2k> and still use things like transport encryption and stuff
[02:17:33] <DeHackEd> there's no end-to-end encryption in the protocol...
[02:17:39] <DeHackEd> and you'd have to use Private mode
[02:19:23] <The_8472> note that bittorrent is designed for mass distribution, not as a secure transport mechanism
[02:19:35] <The_8472> if you want hard security guarantees you'll have to encrypt your content
[02:19:59] <The_8472> if weaker ones are sufficient then a private torrent and not spreading the .torrent might do
[02:25:57] <stiv2k> dont the clients have transport encryption ?
[02:26:08] <The_8472> that is not intended for secrecy
[02:26:18] <stiv2k> oh
[02:30:59] <stiv2k> so what do you think i could use, The_8472 ?
[02:31:24] <stiv2k> i want to send an ISO to a couple of my classmates but everyones being sketch about the university network :|
[02:31:48] <stiv2k> its actually an ISO image of the CD for the textbooks for this class
[02:32:40] <DeHackEd> encrypting the file ahead of time with some encryption app and then sending the encrypted file via any means you want would suffice.
[02:33:44] <stiv2k> hmm
[02:33:57] <stiv2k> what can i use that would support resume ?
[02:34:01] <DeHackEd> FTP?
[02:34:09] <stiv2k> windows <==> windows
[02:34:19] <DeHackEd> there are FTP server apps available.
[02:34:31] <DeHackEd> have you considered sneakernet?
[02:34:42] <stiv2k> i have never heard of sneakernet
[02:34:57] <DeHackEd> okay, here's what you do. do you have the CD image burned to a real disk?
[02:34:59] <DeHackEd> you'll need to
[02:35:14] <stiv2k> no it's just an ISO file on my laptop
[02:35:15] <DeHackEd> pick up the CD, put on your sneakers, walk up to your buddies, and with your arm outstretched you give them the disc for a bit
[02:35:28] <stiv2k> ahah
[02:36:04] <DeHackEd> variations include using a crossover cable and just jacking up to somebody. laptops with polarity sensing ports can use any type of "proper" cable.
[02:36:14] <DeHackEd> but it involves bypassing the network entirely.
[02:36:20] <stiv2k> really?
[02:36:32] <stiv2k> so you could use a regular cat5 cable ?
[02:36:50] <DeHackEd> if one of the two ports (or both) are polarity sensing, yes. if not, the cable must be a "crossover" cable.
[02:37:17] <stiv2k> my laptop is relatively new... have they been making them like that for long?
[02:37:24] <DeHackEd> but IP configuration becomes necessary since you'll be lacking a DHCP server. or you can put up with windows' built in 169.254.x.x connection
[02:37:38] <DeHackEd> my laptop is 2.5 years old and it's polarity sensing. tested it myself.
[02:37:40] <DeHackEd> it's worth a shot
[02:37:51] <stiv2k> mine is just over 1 year
[02:37:56] <DeHackEd> if you have a hub/switch with one of those buttons that switches between MDI and MDI-X mode, you can test it with that...
[02:38:05] <stiv2k> i know using a CD would work best but i dont have any blank CDs
[02:38:20] <DeHackEd> do any of your buddies?
[02:38:26] <DeHackEd> if it's a CD-RW, you can reuse the disc
[02:38:42] <stiv2k> i dunno
[02:39:02] <DeHackEd> blank DVDs would work just fine for a CD-ROM ISO I believe, though it might be wasteful if it's a burn-once disc
[02:39:19] <stiv2k> i used all my blank DVDs on movies
[02:39:22] <stiv2k> ;)
[02:40:02] <stiv2k> i have this one DVD-RRW
[02:40:05] <stiv2k> RW*
[02:40:15] <stiv2k> but i burned a movie to it once and now it wont let me erase it
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[02:41:51] <The_8472> or you could set up a VPN and use the normal windows share stuff in case you have to do that more often
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[02:42:09] <stiv2k> is that easy?
[02:42:23] <The_8472> not that there's a real reason to mistrust your network... university networks are switched, so only the admins could listen in anyway
[02:42:53] <stiv2k> yeah but they also dont like illegal software distribution
[02:43:14] <The_8472> they do like it, i bet they're doing it themselves
[02:43:26] <stiv2k> ya think?
[02:43:29] <The_8472> they're just legally required to pretend that they don't like it ^^
[02:43:33] <stiv2k> hahaha
[02:43:34] <The_8472> well, at least ours do ^^
[02:43:57] <stiv2k> well they dont implement any kind of traffic shaping with their wireless access
[02:44:17] <The_8472> oh... wireless
[02:44:20] <stiv2k> i use their network to seed at like >400 KB/s consistently when im in class
[02:44:26] <DeHackEd> that's easy to sniff then
[02:44:35] <stiv2k> i use transport encryption to hide my protocol but i dunno if thats enough
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[02:45:02] <DeHackEd> if it was cable based, then I'd say it's very likely you could get away with almost anything so long as it's direct connection to your buddies and they're in the same building as you. the closer the better.
[02:45:57] <stiv2k> i see
[02:46:45] <DeHackEd> traffic would likely stay in the building's local switch(es) and while monitoring is still possible, it's most likely a hassle. if you stay off the building's backbone to the rest of the campus and the internet, you can probably stay well under the radar.
[02:47:30] <stiv2k> yeah i mean i dont really know how much our school cares about it but im just speaking hypothetically
[02:47:41] <DeHackEd> sneakernet
[02:47:48] <stiv2k> hehe
[02:48:00] <The_8472> they care about it if you either congest their lines or they recieve threatening letters from big business
[02:48:21] <stiv2k> hehe uh oh
[02:48:22] <The_8472> unless you got nazi admins
[02:48:26] <stiv2k> i seriously seed like a lot
[02:48:32] <stiv2k> using their bandwidth
[02:48:36] <The_8472> who actually believe that filesharing is evil(tm)
[02:49:01] <stiv2k> i usually try it in different buildings to see where i get the best connection
[02:49:11] <stiv2k> in one building i managed to peak some 1.1 to 1.2 MB/s
[02:49:26] <stiv2k> surprisingly enough that was the Communications building ;)
[02:50:37] <DeHackEd> in my campus I've gotten in excess of 2 MB/second for a single HTTP download, and I'm pretty sure I've done better at other times as well.
[02:50:54] <stiv2k> yeah im speaking upload
[02:51:25] <stiv2k> that makes me kinda wish i lived on compus for their bandwidth
[02:51:42] <stiv2k> cable isnt bad but compared to what they got it sucks
[02:52:35] <DeHackEd> when I say cable, i mean to contrast it with wireless
[02:52:53] <stiv2k> yeah
[02:53:14] <stiv2k> i just used it like cable HSI
[02:55:09] <The_8472> we have 2x 1Gbit lines at our university... it's also a mirror for several linux distros and other OSS
[02:55:36] <The_8472> when it's late i can max out my wlan link in both directions ^^
[02:57:04] <stiv2k> what school?
[02:57:07] <stiv2k> how do you know that?
[02:57:32] <The_8472> our IT department has charts about their network infrastructure
[02:57:35] <DeHackEd> schools advertise their network specs, if you know where to look
[02:57:41] <The_8472> yep
[02:57:54] <stiv2k> what school are you at
[02:58:08] <stiv2k> http://www.noc.ucf.edu/
[02:58:26] <The_8472> a university near stuttgart (germany)
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[02:59:45] <TheSHAD0W> X_X
[02:59:47] <TheSHAD0W> @_@
[02:59:50] <TheSHAD0W> >_<
[02:59:55] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/17/bittorrent-clients-are-a-security-risk-riaa-probably-ecstatic/
[03:00:09] <The_8472> *yawn*
[03:00:23] <DeHackEd> utorrent sucks. yawn.
[03:00:25] <stiv2k> http://www.noc.ucf.edu/Policies/P2P.htm
[03:00:33] <stiv2k> my school seems pretty serious
[03:01:46] <DeHackEd> there's always another option. never forget that.
[03:02:06] <stiv2k> sneakernet?
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[03:07:37] <DeHackEd> I'm sure my university had a similar policy (but I never used bt on it).
[03:08:09] <DeHackEd> but they also gave us SSH access to some machines, and I know for a fact that 1) their ssh port forwarding worked, 2) my ssh client can acts as a socks proxy   and I'm willing to bet that 3) they don't do p2p monitoring on their SSH machines.
[03:08:43] <DeHackEd> never actually tried it though. too busy using the machines to run maple
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[04:55:04] <alus> good that commenters called them on the title
[04:55:45] <alus> weird how torrent news is always "The Internet is Dead, and You Are in Jail"
[04:56:02] <alus> when the content is "I downloaded a movie today"
[05:08:39] <The_8472> comments are a mixed blessing though
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[10:43:59] <init0> moin
[10:44:08] <thewird> niom
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[10:48:20] <init0> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiler_complaint.png
[10:48:58] <thewird> haha
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[11:31:34] <alus> but that wouldn't be the compiler complaining
[11:31:41] <alus> it doesn't feel segfaults
[11:38:44] <init0> compiler is just in filename. if you only look at the strip it the machine that talks.
[11:38:51] <init0> *is
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[18:03:20] <zxcv_borg> Hello. I don't think this is possible, but I have old files I want to restart seeding... and I don't have the original .torrent
[18:03:52] <thewird> google for torrent
[18:03:57] <thewird> you need it
[18:04:19] <thewird> it would be next to impossible to replicate the torrent
[18:05:02] <zxcv_borg> Yeah I read that somewhere a long time ago. I was hoping one of the bittorrent clients resolved that problem or something.
[18:05:15] <thewird> its not a problem
[18:05:17] <zxcv_borg> I swear I was saving the old .torrent files, I don't know how I lost them.
[18:05:20] <thewird> its not something that can be done
[18:05:48] <zxcv_borg> Well, I was hoping it was just a problem. Apparently not.
[18:06:01] <thewird> you'd have to know exactly how the torrent was created
[18:06:03] <thewird> with what specs
[18:06:22] <thewird> and then hope that your files aren't a bit off
[18:07:17] <zxcv_borg> What if the .torrent file is online, available somewhere, just with no seeders? Is it possible to re download the .torrent and somehow convince your client that the file is done downloading and needs to upload, and that this is the correct file?
[18:08:09] <thewird> yes if your client supports resuming which pretty much all do now
[18:08:15] <thewird> only the really old ones dont
[18:08:19] <zxcv_borg> You said "google for torrent, you need it" does that mean if I can get the torrent file... ah really?
[18:08:36] <thewird> yes
[18:09:17] <uau> if you just want to make the contents of the files available you can of course create a new .torrent
[18:09:26] <thewird> +1
[18:09:54] <zxcv_borg> Well it's not working for Transmission for mac. I bet Azureus works, I think I can bear looking a Vuze for the sake of reviving an old torrent. And no I don't want to make a new one, I think it's better to resume.
[18:10:04] <uau> but if you want to seed to other clients that are still using the old version of the .torrent file then you need an exactly matching one (which is in practice hard to get except by having the original .torrent file)
[18:10:07] <zxcv_borg> Thank you for the advice.
[18:10:40] <zxcv_borg> The tracker for these torrent files is still up... so I will give it another shot.
[18:10:41] <thewird> well it depends how much the torrent was butchered by remote trackers
[18:10:48] <thewird> lol
[18:11:06] <zxcv_borg> Oh really? Well, I guess I'll find out...
[18:11:16] <thewird> if its the same torrent it will work
[18:11:33] <thewird> if its been modified it might not
[18:13:38] <The_8472> if it has been modified by the sizes still match then he might get an almost-complete torrent
[18:16:28] <zxcv_borg> Oh I renamed it! That's why it didn't work...
[18:17:16] <The_8472> with Az that wouldn't be an issue, it allows you to retarget files ^^
[18:19:18] <thewird> :)
[18:19:40] <zxcv_borg> I'm downloading with Transmission atm, I can't start up Az right now, but I'll get this...
[18:22:19] <zxcv_borg> Fantastic, the problem was I renamed it. It's working.
[18:24:52] <thewird> see
[18:24:57] <thewird> if anything changes it doesn't work
[18:24:59] <thewird> ^_^
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[18:49:13] <zxcv_borg> Thanks for your help.
[18:49:22] <thewird> np
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[22:46:26] <DeHackEd> now I know why I wanted to build my own xen kernels.
[22:49:16] <thewird> why?
[22:49:28] <DeHackEd> didn't hear? big kernel bug in the filesystem code.
[22:49:43] <thewird> oh?
[22:50:01] <DeHackEd> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.23.14
[22:50:12] <thewird> Fedora doesn't use 23.14
[22:50:19] <DeHackEd> well that's likely a problem
[22:50:26] <thewird> oh lol
[22:50:38] <DeHackEd> or at least a version with the fix backported. they do that a lot
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