[00:06:18] <DeHackEd> well, the patches don't apply too cleanly to 2.6.23. I guess I'll have to deal with 2.6.21, but I'll do my own make config
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[00:23:31] <thewird_> you did notice that the xen kernels are 6.21 right ;)
[00:26:05] <DeHackEd> yeah
[00:26:24] <DeHackEd> and 2.6.23 is full of little... goodies... that I might like to use, but oh well
[00:38:00] <DeHackEd> .. and it fails to build due to headers...
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[00:45:11] <DeHackEd> guess what doesn't compile
[00:57:44] <thewird> xen
[00:57:46] <thewird> kernel
[01:01:52] <DreadWingKnight> compiler?
[01:24:12] <funkywizard> you realize getting xen working isn't supposed to be a dick waving contest about who can compile the best kernel?
[01:24:33] <funkywizard> although
[01:24:36] <funkywizard> that gives me an idea
[01:24:47] <funkywizard> the olympics could have an event for compiling kernels
[01:25:09] <funkywizard> im not really sure what the criteria would be
[01:25:37] <funkywizard> its not like theres an easy way to measure what a "better" kernel is, other than it working for your given purpose
[01:26:01] <funkywizard> which incidentally is actually pretty easy compared to the dick waving contest, so im not real sure how we could turn it into an event. but we should find a way
[01:26:33] <funkywizard> just ignore me
[01:26:36] <funkywizard> i dont know what im talking about
[01:33:42] <alus> funkywizard: it could be like the VW Bug contest. first one to compile a kernel and perform an action of a certain kind wins
[01:34:14] <alus> funkywizard: better yet, first one to get a webserver running on it that serves X requests successfully, wins
[01:34:36] <alus> funkywizard: first one to make a web startup with market potential that pulls in revenue wins
[01:37:32] <DeHackEd> xen-patched kernel.
[01:38:04] <DeHackEd> dammit...
[01:50:02] <DeHackEd> oh that's great. the basic make defconfig + add Xen support works, but my config doesn't...
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[02:09:33] <thewird> your config is evil DeHackEd
[02:09:38] <thewird> its wrong
[02:09:39] <thewird> lol
[02:09:46] <DeHackEd> *shrug*
[02:09:49] <funkywizard> :(
[02:09:52] <DeHackEd> it works on my user-mode-linux machine
[02:10:15] <thewird> have you tried running it fully virtualized?
[02:10:23] <DeHackEd> translation please?
[02:10:35] <thewird> xen has two virtualization methods
[02:10:59] <DeHackEd> hack-the-os and vmware-like
[02:11:15] <thewird> fully virtualized (hardware virtualization) and paravirtualization (done from the hypervisor)
[02:11:36] <DeHackEd> yeah, and?>
[02:11:39] <thewird> paravirtualized is faster but a pain in the ass with the kernels if you want to custom them
[02:11:55] <thewird> fully virtualized thinks its on a real machine
[02:12:04] <DeHackEd> but as I understand it, a dom0 kernel must be paravirtualized, seeing as how it needs to interact with Xen or the thing's useless.
[02:12:04] <thewird> while paravirtualized knows its a guest
[02:12:55] <thewird> do you need the dom0
[02:12:56] <thewird> ?
[02:12:59] <DeHackEd> ideally
[02:13:11] <kjetilho> are you running this inside vmware?
[02:13:12] <DeHackEd> since it has direct hardware interaction, performance is of the essence, so I want to customize it
[02:13:19] <thewird> kjetilho: he is
[02:13:22] <DeHackEd> kjetilho: for testing purposes, yes. but fate and the compiler seem to hate me
[02:13:37] <kjetilho> I don't think you can run a Xen kernel inside vmware
[02:13:43] <thewird> xen inside vmware is hardly  "performance is of the essence"
[02:14:02] <DeHackEd> neither is
[02:14:05] <DeHackEd> "for testing purposes"
[02:14:12] <kjetilho> ie. you can't have two layers of hardware virtualization
[02:14:15] <DeHackEd> but it will lead to something closer to metal
[02:14:32] <DeHackEd> odd, xen and dom0 do run. I'm just forced to use prebuilt packages.
[02:14:47] <thewird> and what is wrong with prebuilt packages?
[02:14:50] <kjetilho> how about a hsv domU?
[02:15:23] <kjetilho> that I'm pretty sure won't work.  but I'd be happy to be proven wrong :)
[02:15:52] <DeHackEd> as I understand it, the dom0 kernel is responsible for acting as ethernet bridge, disk IO slave, and a few other things for the domU systems. for good performance, a custom kernel will give you those few percentage points. things like NOT having the whole driver set built as modules.
[02:16:01] <funkywizard> "for testing purposes" prebuilt packages are good enough, right?
[02:16:27] <DeHackEd> I downloaded fedora's kernel-xen package SRPM, extracted it, make defconfig, set it to Xen support, typed "make vmlinuz" and it broke in a matter of seconds
[02:16:30] <funkywizard> for a few percentage points of performance, you'd best not use virtualization at all
[02:16:47] <funkywizard> let alone dual layered virtualization
[02:16:48] <kjetilho> eh, there is no overhead due to modules, except a slight increase in RAM usage
[02:17:00] <kjetilho> (since each module must be page aligned)
[02:17:02] <DeHackEd> and page tables. the kernel is no longer a single large TLB entry
[02:17:03] <thewird> bingo
[02:17:11] <funkywizard> double fisted iframes on the other hand, those are the shit
[02:17:16] <thewird> LMAO
[02:17:27] <thewird> to those who know what it means :)
[02:17:31] <funkywizard> mmm, fisting
[02:17:38] <DeHackEd> "fisting", no...
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[02:19:26] <DeHackEd> the objective is to produce something working in vmware that could, in theory, be transplanted directly to a real machine and work. therefore, I will attempt to squeeze all the tiny performance improvements out of a VMWare Server platform I can
[02:19:44] <DeHackEd> I'm not crazy. I'm just excentric
[02:19:51] <thewird> why not use a real machine then?
[02:19:56] <funkywizard> well
[02:19:57] <thewird> save yourself the trouble
[02:20:00] <funkywizard> i dont think you're crazy
[02:20:04] <kjetilho> oh, VMware server doesn't even use hardware virtualisation, AFAIK
[02:20:12] <funkywizard> i think you've misjudged the most efficient use of your time
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[02:20:34] <DeHackEd> thewird: the real machine will not have any success in compiling the bastard
[02:21:06] <thewird> your not going to make me try are you
[02:22:31] <thewird> wait
[02:22:46] <thewird> "set it to Xen support"
[02:22:49] <funkywizard> marco has a spare computer he could just give you
[02:22:50] <thewird> why did you do that
[02:23:11] <funkywizard> :P
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[02:23:44] <thewird> the fedora xen kernel is already compiled for xen
[02:24:11] <thewird> maybe thats what broke it
[02:26:37] <thewird> btw DeHackEd, whats left to see what you got made?
[02:27:08] <DeHackEd> apache + php would be nice
[02:27:51] <DeHackEd> wow that was fast
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[02:29:39] <thewird> what was fast?
[02:29:45] <DeHackEd> yum install for 5 packages
[02:29:52] <thewird> what did you isntall?
[02:29:56] <thewird> *install
[02:29:57] <DeHackEd> mod_php
[02:30:02] <DeHackEd> and apache as a dependency
[02:30:11] <thewird> this on my server?
[02:30:14] <DeHackEd> yeah
[02:30:16] <thewird> oh
[02:30:21] <thewird> i was going to figure out how to install it
[02:30:22] <thewird> lol
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[04:25:24] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9845889-7.html?tag=nefd.top
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[05:51:42] <firefly2442> In order to prevent direct linking of torrent files, I was thinking of storing them in MySQL
[05:51:51] <firefly2442> does that sound like a good idea or crazy?
[05:52:38] <firefly2442> it's the only option I can think of that doesn't require .htaccess or something
[06:00:21] <funkywizard> use a php script as a frontend to the files
[06:00:26] <funkywizard> and not allow hotlinking
[06:00:41] <funkywizard> dont disclose where the files are actually at, use the php to forward them to the user
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[06:05:00] <firefly2442> I can see that working except it would be kinda annoying having to store them offsite somewhere, I guess it could work
[06:05:11] <funkywizard> you store them onsite
[06:05:17] <funkywizard> just in a directory you dont disclose
[06:05:22] <funkywizard> or in a non-web directory
[06:05:56] <funkywizard> you prefer php or perl? ;)
[06:06:43] <firefly2442> PHP :)
[06:06:59] <funkywizard> ok
[06:07:23] <firefly2442> I'm making the program available for download though so I could see people just looking and then grabbing em
[06:07:38] <funkywizard> you can put them above the web root so they cant
[06:07:49] <firefly2442> yeah, that's what I was thinking
[06:07:51] <funkywizard> in your ftp you'll have the "www" directory
[06:07:54] <funkywizard> so just put it above that
[06:07:57] <firefly2442> yep
[06:08:19] <firefly2442> *sigh*, yet another thing to add in to the program ;)
[06:08:29] <firefly2442> it's coming along though
[06:08:41] <funkywizard> problem with this thing is you need to feed in the right headers
[06:09:02] <funkywizard> I'll just give you code i have for another purpose. It's straightforward, I'm sure you can figure it out
[06:15:38] <funkywizard> http://pastebin.ca/847599
[06:15:51] <funkywizard> this is part of the source I made for duggthat.com
[06:16:07] <funkywizard> if you want the whole thing I can zip it up, but I just put in the parts that would possibly be relevant to your situation
[06:17:04] <funkywizard> in $url =
[06:17:08] <funkywizard> you dont actually need a url
[06:17:13] <firefly2442> cool thanks, that will help
[06:17:14] <funkywizard> a file path works the same i believe
[06:17:47] <firefly2442> well, I'm tired and I gotta get up early tomorrow
[06:17:51] <funkywizard> aight
[06:17:53] <funkywizard> have fun
[06:17:56] <firefly2442> dang classes, night, thanks again ;)
[06:26:58] <TheSHAD0W> http://xkcd.com/368/
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[10:01:10] <init0> moin
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[14:59:30] <The_8472> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/01/08/comcast-could-receive-hefty-fcc-fine-for-throttling-bit-torrent/ <- although i doubt they'll actually get a serious fine it's still good news
[15:04:09] <firefly2442> hopefully they'll stop just based on the pressure from the public + media
[15:07:33] <kjetilho> on the other hand, http://www.networkteks.com/blog/?p=24368
[15:07:55] <kjetilho> "At a CES forum, representatives of AT&T and other ISPs discussed the need to filter traffic at the network level, to stop the transfer of copyrighted material."
[15:12:53] <The_8472> they will utterly fail at that :)
[15:13:08] <The_8472> since there is no way to filter stuff unless everything is not encrypted
[15:14:52] <kjetilho> it's easy:  they block port 80 inbound, and everything but port 80 outbound
[15:15:50] <The_8472> yeah... well... in that case i wouldn't consider it as ISP anymore
[15:16:33] <The_8472> think of voip, gamers, video streaming, email... they'd basically lose 9x% of their userbase
[15:16:33] <kjetilho> as long as the punters get their p0rn and can do shopping, they'll be happy.
[15:17:10] <kjetilho> do games do direct links, or send data via the server?
[15:17:19] <The_8472> usually a mix of both
[15:17:30] <kjetilho> there's no need for an inbound port for e-mail either
[15:17:37] <The_8472> email doesn't use port 80
[15:17:48] <kjetilho> details
[15:18:16] <The_8472> and games also use various ports
[15:18:43] <The_8472> and then there also are websites running on non-standard ports
[15:19:15] <The_8472> sure, it's technically feasible to shut anything out except a few protocols, but the collateral damage will be so high that even the censoring chinese aren't doing it
[15:19:40] <The_8472> and even they usually don't care about collateral damage (they even banned wikipedia)
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[15:43:42] <DreadWingKnight> [10:17:12am] <kjetilho> do games do direct links, or send data via the server? <-- via server for MMOG, direct link for smaller games
[15:51:15] <The_8472> DreadWingKnight, as i said... some do both, e.g. use a dedicated server for some critical coordination, use peer-peer links for fast updates
[15:51:18] <The_8472> stuff like that
[15:51:45] <The_8472> especially FPS games
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[16:42:21] <DreadWingKnight> starcraft uses the central server for the social
[16:42:38] <DreadWingKnight> and direct links for the game
[16:43:09] <The_8472> diablo 2 used peer-peer for open games and client-server for closed games afaik
[16:43:16] <DreadWingKnight> yup
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[16:43:40] <The_8472> and with counterstrike the users hosted the games
[16:43:52] <The_8472> either on a dedicated box or one of the players
[16:44:35] <The_8472> pretty much the same with any other first person shooter
[16:45:06] <The_8472> since it would be a waste of resources to query a central server for your lan session or a session with friends over the internet
[16:45:16] <The_8472> ladder/ranked games are different ofc
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[16:50:03] <The_8472> btw, there has been a problem i've been pondering for weeks now... how would one implement a fairly stable request throttling algorithm for bittorrent w/o having the user setting an explicit download speed limit
[16:51:48] <The_8472> since one has conflicting goals, increase the number of pending requests in case the line capacity has not been reached yet and limiting the number of pending requests to throttle the incoming packets once the limit has been achieved
[16:52:10] <The_8472> it basically comes down to infering from the available stats when the limit has been reached
[16:53:40] <funkywizard> umm
[16:53:52] <funkywizard> tcp has natural mechanisms to limit incoming bandwidth
[16:54:06] <funkywizard> the tcp receive window, for example
[16:55:56] <The_8472> sure sure, but bittorrent can exhibit very bursty behavior
[16:56:18] <The_8472> TCP can't cope with all those situations well, so you have buffers filling up more often than not
[16:56:39] <funkywizard> which is why bittorrent plays havoc on routers
[16:56:46] <The_8472> no
[16:56:51] <funkywizard> all those connections
[16:56:52] <The_8472> that's due to the number of connections
[16:56:54] <funkywizard> *shudder*
[16:56:59] <funkywizard> yeah thats what i meant
[16:57:03] <The_8472> # of connections != buffers filling up
[16:57:41] <funkywizard> i suppose not
[16:57:48] <The_8472> but DHT is worse for some routers, since they treat UDP exchanges as pseudo-connections for connection-tracking in their NAT tables
[16:58:12] <funkywizard> fun
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[17:46:06] <Nerd42> what is the best free bittorrent client for mac? (hopefully small)
[17:46:15] <Nerd42> uTorrent's the best for PC I know from experience
[17:46:22] <Nerd42> but their mac build isn't ready yet
[17:47:18] <Nerd42> so i'm kinda stuck
[17:47:23] <DreadWingKnight> http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=28869
[17:47:28] <DreadWingKnight> only kinda stuck
[17:47:56] <Nerd42> This isn't an intel mac.
[17:48:00] <Nerd42> Can't use WINE here
[17:48:20] <Nerd42> its a g3 laptop
[17:48:21] <DreadWingKnight> you tried it?
[17:48:26] <Nerd42> Yes
[17:48:52] <Nerd42> Not compatible. Simply won't work. Not the right type of processor apparently, and not fast enough for emulation to be practical either.
[17:49:17] <Nerd42> i was buggin people on the wine irc channels till i got that figured out
[17:49:47] <Nerd42> my desktop at home is a PC ok. I like PCs. macs suck. but my only working laptop right now is this piece of crap mac and i need a bittorrent client for it
[17:49:58] <Nerd42> azearus works but its really bulky and i hate it
[17:50:13] <Nerd42> limewire has a weird built-in bitorrent client
[17:50:13] <Nerd42> i'm trying that right now
[17:50:40] <DreadWingKnight> you might try bittornado (requires python and wxpython and some prayer) but works fairly simply
[17:50:59] <Nerd42> bittornado? i remember that
[17:51:14] <Nerd42> its ... not very good at all ... if i remember right
[17:51:24] <DreadWingKnight> it's plenty good
[17:51:33] <Nerd42> but hey it might have improved since um i last looked at it several years ago
[17:51:40] <DreadWingKnight> it's just that people expect bittorrent clients to look like p2p apps
[17:51:48] <DreadWingKnight> when bittorrent isn't a traditional p2p protocol
[17:52:22] <Nerd42> yeah. regular p2p is for noobs
[17:53:46] <Nerd42> BitTornado doesn't appear to have a mac build
[17:54:01] <DreadWingKnight> you got python and wxpython?
[17:54:32] <Nerd42> no
[17:54:59] <Nerd42> Python is a programming language, rigiht?
[17:55:02] <Nerd42> so what's wxpython?
[17:55:16] <DreadWingKnight> windowing subpackage
[17:55:20] <Nerd42> (i thought python was a server side coding lang ... how does it apply here?)
[17:56:02] <DreadWingKnight> it's an interperted programming language
[17:56:31] <DreadWingKnight> more than it is a server side coding language
[17:56:39] <DreadWingKnight> you can make semi-standalone apps in php
[17:56:50] <DreadWingKnight> even though it's primarily the same thing
[17:57:18] <Nerd42> ok so how does it help me run bittornado?
[17:57:28] <Nerd42> bittornado is written in python?
[17:57:34] <Nerd42> so basically i'd have to make my own mac build?
[17:57:47] <DreadWingKnight> you'd install python
[17:57:52] <DreadWingKnight> and wxpython
[17:58:07] <DreadWingKnight> all python apps partly compile at their first run
[17:58:21] <Nerd42> ohok
[17:58:41] <Nerd42> is this really worth bothering with?
[17:59:00] <Nerd42> i mean it might be simpler to just conclude "No there isnt anything better then azearus crap yet."
[17:59:05] <DreadWingKnight> the client itself is fairly lightweight
[17:59:30] <DreadWingKnight> and honestly, I have a problem with the logic patterns used by the programmers of other alternatives
[17:59:45] <Nerd42> including utorrent?
[18:00:05] <Nerd42> utorrent's the best thing around so far, man
[18:00:48] <DreadWingKnight> uT works great
[18:00:51] <Nerd42> its basically bitcomet only without all the crap
[18:01:01] <DreadWingKnight> but for your situation (contrary mac) there aren't many options
[18:01:10] <DreadWingKnight> bitcomet spies on its users
[18:01:46] <Nerd42> eh? i wasn't aware of this.
[18:01:53] <Nerd42> bitcomet's spyware?
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[18:02:54] <The_8472> <Nerd42> i mean it might be simpler to just conclude "No there isnt anything better then azearus crap yet." <- hey, no namecalling here...
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[18:03:50] <Nerd42> using azearus feels like lugging around 200 tons of butter everywhere you go
[18:04:37] <The_8472> i don't know about you, but memory usage is the only point i could see... and my FF or Office uses more memory than Az
[18:04:45] <The_8472> and i don't hear people complaing about those
[18:04:49] <Nerd42> what is teh facist BitComet Entertainment Group wanting 2 kno about my filesharing habits if i use their client?
[18:04:56] <Nerd42> "FF"?
[18:05:00] <The_8472> firefox
[18:05:01] <thewird> firefox
[18:05:01] <Nerd42> office sure does
[18:05:04] <Nerd42> ah
[18:05:14] <thewird> i have firefox use 600 megs on occassion
[18:05:15] <Nerd42> wait a second, FireFox uses more memory than azearus?
[18:05:21] <The_8472> yes
[18:05:21] <Nerd42> ??
[18:05:27] <thewird> if your a power user yes
[18:05:31] <Nerd42> why the difference in startup time then?
[18:05:44] <The_8472> startup time has nothing to do with memory usage
[18:05:52] <thewird> (nods)
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[18:06:34] <Nerd42> i've got this page on firefox extensions i've been putting together. any advice/suggestions? http://editthis.info/wiki42/FireFox_Extensions
[18:07:08] <Nerd42> well i said it was bulky. i didnt do a real detailed analysis of why
[18:07:42] <thewird> once its loaded shouldn't shouldn't be much difference
[18:08:47] <Nerd42> man, i dont want to wait all that time all the time just to run bittorrent
[18:09:14] <Nerd42> maybe there's some skin for it or other that'll turn all the crap off. like their suggested videos and crap
[18:10:20] <Nerd42> i actually saw one that was good only it turned out to be a realvideo inside an mkv - a format thats like impossible to convert from
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[18:30:42] <maswan> I have a page that makes my firefox eat up about a gig. Just with pics of cats. :)
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[18:35:39] <thewird> maswan link?
[18:36:00] <thewird> my cacti graphs are responsible for my ram usage in firefox
[18:36:29] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/ <- just hit the \inf button and all 7k or so thumbnails will load. :)
[18:37:28] <thewird> oh dear lord
[18:37:44] <maswan> if you are really masochistic, add large=yes to the command line. I only have 3 gigs of ram on this machine though, so I won't
[18:38:27] <DreadWingKnight> of course
[18:38:34] <thewird> i have 3.4 gigs :)
[18:38:37] <thewird> on my lapto
[18:38:38] <DreadWingKnight> if you're beyond "really masochistic"
[18:38:39] <thewird> *laptop
[18:38:44] <DreadWingKnight> do that with the eve ingame browser
[18:38:54] <thewird> LMAO
[18:39:03] <DreadWingKnight> computer implodes
[18:39:23] <thewird> only up to 274 megs
[18:39:34] <thewird> got 1000 cats loaded
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[18:40:59] <maswan> ah, sorry, only 4k thumbnails, not 7k
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[18:48:21] <thewird_> all pictures loaded
[18:48:24] <thewird_> only 490 megs
[18:48:27] <thewird_> im not pleased
[18:48:30] <thewird_> lol
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[18:54:56] <The_8472> use a FF3 beta, that lowers the footprint quite a bit
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[19:08:16] <cyb2063> maswan: err, did your firefox use 1GB just for the thumbnails or the large versions of the pictures?
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[19:10:59] <maswan> cyb2063: actually, it was 600-700M of firefox usage, and then about the same for X, but not all of that is just the cats thumbnails
[19:11:39] <cyb2063> hmm, here opera only needs 70MB for all thumbnails.
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[19:23:27] <void^> on ff-3b3 memory footprint increases by about 50mb
[19:28:42] <cyb2063> for the large version of all images, opera needs about 230MB.
[19:30:50] <The_8472> strange... it decreased for me
[19:31:16] <The_8472> in general that is
[19:38:38] <cyb2063> indeed, now opera is down to 50MB total with all picures still active in a tab.
[19:39:55] <Firon> firefox is shite :P
[19:40:57] <The_8472> one red panda to rule them all!
[19:41:31] <The_8472> does opera have something like faviconizetab? :]
[19:42:10] <The_8472> http://espion.just-size.jp/files/images/20061104_0l.jpg
[19:48:37] <cyb2063> sure
[19:49:57] <The_8472> screenshot or it did not happen
[19:50:12] <cyb2063> http://help.opera.com/Windows/9.25/en/toolbars.html  <- personal bar
[19:51:12] <The_8472> uhm, that's just a bookmark bar, that's not what i meant
[19:51:27] <The_8472> FF has that too
[19:52:08] <The_8472> faviconizetab basically allows you to shrink the tab on a click... so you have mixed normal-width and favicon-only tabs
[19:54:26] <cyb2063> http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5772/barhe7.jpg
[19:55:19] <cyb2063> ahh, ok. don't think you can mix them with normal tabs.
[19:55:35] <The_8472> yes *pointing at the bottom*
[19:55:40] <cyb2063> never had the need for it though.
[19:56:13] <The_8472> the stuff on top is the same as the bookmark bar (which you see on top of the tab bar in the same ff screenshot)
[19:56:25] <The_8472> just that the text is not hidden (which you can do)
[19:56:38] <The_8472> well, shrinking tabs becomes important if you have 30-50 of them open at any time
[19:56:49] <cyb2063> with the difference, that I do not have any bookmarks ;)
[19:57:25] <cyb2063> well, maybe 10. the icons above are just dragged and dropped tabs I put there.
[19:57:40] <The_8472> so they're still open?
[19:57:45] <cyb2063> no
[19:57:52] <The_8472> then they're bookmarks
[19:58:02] <cyb2063> but opera shirks the tabs automatically
[19:58:04] <The_8472> just in a different representation
[19:58:07] <cyb2063> yes
[19:58:17] <The_8472> that's not what i'm talking about ^^
[20:18:13] <firefly2442> I feel dumb, why is this not working? http://pastebin.ca/848462
[20:20:13] <The_8472> lack of context i'd say
[20:20:56] <firefly2442> sorry... I'm trying to pass the hash value through post
[20:21:10] <The_8472> to... ?
[20:21:11] <firefly2442> but it's not showing up on the other side when I click the button
[20:21:24] <firefly2442> to torrent_functions.php
[20:21:38] <The_8472> yes, i can see that
[20:22:10] <The_8472> but the question is what torrent_functions.php is ^^
[20:22:52] <firefly2442> it displays information about the torrent, parses it using the bdecode and encode scripts
[20:23:06] <firefly2442> I tried just doing a simple echo of $_POST["hash"] but it's empty
[20:23:19] <firefly2442> that's why I'm confused :/
[20:23:43] <The_8472> ah
[20:23:44] <The_8472> btw
[20:23:51] <The_8472> it's <input type="hidden">
[20:25:04] <firefly2442> BAH!
[20:25:17] <firefly2442> OMG thanks... looks around sheepishly... I am... ashamed ;)
[20:25:59] <The_8472> do not thank imaginary beings, thank me instead :P
[20:26:55] <firefly2442> thanks ^^
[20:31:09] <firefly2442> somehow I think actually taking a web-development course this semester is going to help me instead of just blundering along
[20:35:27] <The_8472> just having a few (X)HTML quicksheets nearby would do the job too
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