[00:04:32] <TheSHAD0W> http://gizmodo.com/341779/how-to-win-a-darwin-award-float-a-live-surge-protector-in-a-pool-on-a-couple-of-flip-flops
[00:10:49] * DeHackEd has thewird with 11 secret herbs and spices.
[00:12:12] <josch> DeHackEd, TheSHAD0W there you are!
[00:12:27] <DeHackEd> ?
[00:12:45] <josch> well I thought you guys could help me with my questions
[00:12:57] <DeHackEd> wow, that'll do it
[00:14:03] <josch> that will do what?
[00:14:11] <DeHackEd> get you a darwin award
[00:15:01] <josch> should I repost my questions or did you read them?
[00:15:12] <josch> I hope I don't annoy anybody
[00:15:21] <DeHackEd> I do not know the question...
[00:15:46] <josch> <josch> okay I now wrote a few lines that created me a bittorrent file - is there any way I can test it for validity?
[00:15:47] <josch> <josch> supporting DHT (trackerless) needs no change in the torrent file, right?
[00:15:47] <josch> <josch> and another question: wiki.theory.org says that a hash has to be urlencoded if the chars are not 0-9, a-z, A-Z, '.', '-', '_' and '~' but rfc1738 says that the chars not to be urlencoded are A-Z a-z 0-9 _ $ - . + ! * ' ( )
[00:15:47] <josch> <josch> DeHackEd's php code also only uses the php functions to decode the infohash so I can assume that RFC1738 which php uses is right and the wiki has to be updated?
[00:16:30] <DeHackEd> 1) basic DHT fallback requires no changes to the format. in fact, to explicitly disable DHT, you must add a field
[00:16:48] <josch> ah okay - no I do not want to disable DHT
[00:16:53] <DeHackEd> 2) when doing URL encoding, better to over-encode than to under-encode
[00:17:15] <DeHackEd> so just assume a-z, A-Z, _ - . ~ and you'll be fine
[00:17:24] <DeHackEd> and 0-9
[00:17:32] <josch> okay will do that
[00:17:41] <thewird> DeHackEd !
[00:17:44] <thewird> woot
[00:17:48] <josch> just got confused because your php code used the right rfc
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[00:18:08] <thewird> you get the login info or does that not receive PM's really mean it?
[00:18:09] <DeHackEd> PHP has a rawurlencode() function. Don't give yourself a hernia.
[00:18:43] <DeHackEd> $string = rawurlencode(sha1(BEncode($torrent["info"]), true));
[00:19:04] <josch> right - I saw that
[00:19:11] <DeHackEd> $url = "http://website.com/scrape?info_hash=$string";
[00:19:30] <josch> it's just that this function uses urlencode after rfc1738
[00:19:49] <kjetilho> josch: bencoding has no problems with any byte value, so it's only the URI RFC which matters.
[00:20:06] <DeHackEd> bencoding doesn't enter into it at this level
[00:20:18] <kjetilho> oh, I thought it was for the announce URL
[00:20:36] <josch> it is for the webseed script DeHackEd wrote
[00:20:39] <DeHackEd> for the client or an app accessing the tracker, yes. for the file format of the .torrent file, who cares?
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[00:21:29] <josch> hum okay so now my last question:
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[00:22:25] <josch> I now build this torrents containing webseed information - as I understand it I as the publisher of these torrents do not need to announce them anywhere if the torrent specifies anonymous tracker, right?
[00:23:05] <DeHackEd> an... what?
[00:23:16] <DeHackEd> anonymous tracker? that's not an option. you can select a "public" tracker, is that what you mean?
[00:23:29] <josch> ah okay so it is called public tracker?
[00:23:44] <DeHackEd> a "public" tracker is one that will serve as a tracker for pretty much anything.
[00:23:55] <thewird> ie piratebay.org
[00:24:01] <josch> I mean a tracker where you do not need to fill out some web forms but only come along with a torrent as the client and wait for others to do the same
[00:24:16] <DeHackEd> but you can't just start seeding and magically people will join you. they need that .torrent file, as do other downloaders. Your sitting on it does you nothing.
[00:24:45] <josch> yeah right but I saw tracker that needed the torrent file to be uploaded somewhere
[00:25:16] <DeHackEd> right, so that 1) it can enable the torrent to be identified by the tracker   and 2) other users can find it in their search engine
[00:26:19] <josch> but I heard that it is also possible to have a tracker that only tracks the peers by the info hashes they give to the announce url without the tracker having registered the torrent before
[00:26:46] <josch> if now others do the same with the same torrent then the tracker manages them
[00:26:49] <DeHackEd> true, but 1) no one in their right mind would enable this option   and 2) you still have no way of getting your .torrent file to the users.
[00:28:08] <josch> i just read this: http://forum.mininova.org/index.php?showtopic=234974728&pid=143236&st=0&
[00:28:56] <DeHackEd> a listing of people not in their right minds I guess
[00:30:35] <TheSHAD0W> josch: I'm not sure you understand what trackers are for.
[00:30:52] <DeHackEd> I think he's equating the web browser interface to a site like TPB with a tracker
[00:30:55] <josch> TheSHAD0W, so please explain what I might have not understood
[00:31:13] <josch> DeHackEd, I honestly do not
[00:31:40] <DeHackEd> I'll be back in about 20 minutes then.
[00:31:42] <DeHackEd> Hardware upgrade.
[00:32:02] <josch> the tracker is not the webinterface but the server with an announce url the clients connect to with the info hash of their torrents to get the others who want to share the same torrent
[00:32:08] <TheSHAD0W> The tracker server is what allows peers to connect to each other.  Typically there's only one tracker per torrent, and typically the content distributor runs that tracker.
[00:32:58] <josch> yeah right - one per torrent except when an announce-list is defined
[00:33:10] <TheSHAD0W> *nod*
[00:33:17] <TheSHAD0W> I recommend you run your own tracker.
[00:33:32] <josch> I heard from opentracker - is it that easy to set up?
[00:33:40] * TheSHAD0W shrugs
[00:33:43] <TheSHAD0W> Never worked w/ it.
[00:33:53] <josch> what can you recommend?
[00:34:01] * TheSHAD0W pokes DreadWingKnight
[00:34:05] <TheSHAD0W> Ask him.
[00:34:13] <josch> DreadWingKnight, ?
[00:34:30] <DreadWingKnight> I personally use CBTT
[00:35:02] <DreadWingKnight> the current stable branch is set up to handle the load balancing tracker setup if you set it up right
[00:35:10] <josch> CBTT is a modified BNBT-Based BitTorrent Tracker project developed primarily by DreadWingKnight.
[00:35:19] <josch> sais wikipedia ^^
[00:35:22] <TheSHAD0W> Don't think he needs multiple trackers, at least not yet.
[00:35:32] <DreadWingKnight> having the option is good though
[00:37:33] <josch> okay so back to my main problem - I try to conclude things a bit
[00:38:53] <josch> I have my website where I upload stuff and let bittorrent files to this uploads be generated. the people downloading those bittorrent files will use the webseeding option and share the pieces with others that are also connected to tracker X as it is specified in my torrents
[00:39:27] <josch> now the options I have with tracker X are
[00:40:00] <josch> 1) using an anonymous tracker as listed here http://forum.mininova.org/index.php?showtopic=234974728&pid=143236&st=0&
[00:40:19] <TheSHAD0W> As I said...
[00:40:24] <josch> 2) scraping an bt file upload dialog from an existing tracker
[00:40:25] <TheSHAD0W> I recommend you use your own tracker.
[00:40:53] <josch> 3) using my own tracker which also knows what files I have to only allow files from me to be shared
[00:41:55] <DeHackEd> Done!
[00:42:40] <TheSHAD0W> #3.
[00:42:49] <josch> what would hinder me from option 2)
[00:43:15] <DeHackEd> nothing really. but if #3 is available, why wouldn't you?
[00:43:55] <DeHackEd> you can scrape it for data to your heart's content and not burn bandwidth and really not do any network blocking should the site go down.
[00:44:04] <josch> you are right that 3) is the best option - I think I will go with this one
[00:44:11] <josch> was just asking
[00:44:27] <DeHackEd> I mean any would work, but personally I would choose #3, then #2, and then cry
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[00:45:13] <josch> I think 2) is a very dirty method and if you say 1) is dirty too then there is no option for me but using my own tracker ^^
[00:45:27] <TheSHAD0W> Having some other guy's tracker go down unexpectedly, and having no way to fix it, will piss you off and it'll piss off your clients.
[00:45:35] <DeHackEd> using some unknown site because their security settings are low enough for you to use it... yeah, uhh, no.
[00:46:47] <josch> well you guys successfully convinced me ^^
[00:46:59] <josch> thanks for your help!
[00:47:12] <josch> will go into tracker setup now
[00:51:23] <thewird> hey DeHackEd :)
[00:51:49] <DeHackEd> what was the IP? I lost my stuff when I restarted IRC
[00:52:10] <thewird> let me find it
[00:52:29] <thewird> sent again
[00:52:38] <TheSHAD0W> DeHackEd: New RAM the right type?
[00:52:44] <DeHackEd> well it booted
[00:52:49] <TheSHAD0W> LOL
[00:52:51] <thewird> lol
[00:54:03] <thewird> fefefedora 8 :D
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[01:20:24] <DeHackEd> fastest way to reinstall a working mingw
[01:39:02] <thewird> i think I'm going to hit the sack early today
[01:40:23] <thewird> if you get it up tonight just PM a URL where I can see it (or funkywizard)
[01:40:35] <thewird> goodnight
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[15:25:21] <TheSHAD0W> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080108
[15:26:21] <thewird> lol
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[16:11:31] <firefly2442> Is there a reason why a tracker would NOT want to support scraping?  Like bandwidth usage or something?
[16:11:40] <TheSHAD0W> Yes.
[16:11:41] <thewird> abuse
[16:12:14] <firefly2442> okay thanks, that was a quick reply ;)
[16:21:18] <DreadWingKnight> you happened to nail the ain reason in your first line
[16:22:03] <TheSHAD0W> It was a pleasure compared to the people who come in saying "hey! I need help! no one awake? help!"
[16:22:12] <thewird> LMAO
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[16:41:58] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.kitco.com/market/
[16:42:11] <thewird> ?
[16:42:39] <TheSHAD0W> Gold's up to almost $875/oz.
[16:42:44] <thewird> ah
[16:44:24] <kjetilho> you mean 1 USD is down to *mumble* ounces of gold :)
[16:45:33] <TheSHAD0W> kjetilho: Luckily, local prices haven't adjusted to the currency's devaluation.
[16:45:35] <TheSHAD0W> Yet.
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[18:40:53] <firefly2442> DeHackEd: did you ever get MySQL table crashes when you were testing PHPBTTracker?
[18:41:26] <firefly2442> every once in awhile I get one and I'm not really sure why it's doing that, maybe because of the locking tables?
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[19:03:57] <josch> firefly2442, isn't using mysql ridiculous in case of accessing tracker specific data?
[19:04:53] <firefly2442> josch: why is that?
[19:05:07] <josch> mysql being too slow?
[19:05:43] <josch> well php is also not the fastest way to go so maybe it doesnt matter then ^^
[19:06:12] <firefly2442> oh sure, it's not as fast as C or something but I kinda like PHP
[19:06:38] <firefly2442> I'm a sucker for scripting languages :)
[19:07:32] <Lumiere> python <3
[19:14:31] <DreadWingKnight> someone did a php daemon style tracker
[19:15:04] <DreadWingKnight> took about twice the resources of a C++ one
[19:15:10] <josch> only twice?
[19:19:28] <DreadWingKnight> pure php flatfile
[19:19:30] <DreadWingKnight> no apache
[19:19:44] <DreadWingKnight> php/mysql is just "yo momma fat" in comparison though
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[19:32:41] <The_8472> well, if you're using a flatfile anyway... just use opentracker
[19:32:52] <The_8472> using a database only makes sense if you need accounting
[19:35:12] <firefly2442> I checked out opentracker but there were some features missing, it was a little too simple for my taste, so I started tinkering around with adding stuff to PHPBTTracker
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[20:19:14] <firefly2442> is this: website.com/tracker.php/scrape    .... the proper scrape convention?
[20:20:04] <firefly2442> it seems like that's what Azureus is using when I look at the log output and the spec on the theory.org wiki says something different
[20:20:29] <firefly2442> http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Tracker_.27scrape.27_Convention
[20:23:27] <The_8472> that depends on how the announce URL looks like
[20:23:54] <The_8472> if it's website.com/tracker.php/announce then it would be correct
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[22:26:28] <pgimeno> I've opened port 6881 (tcp and udp) and port 4444 (udp) in my router but torrents are still too slow. Any ideas?
[22:27:17] <DeHackEd> ... well, for one those are not the actual ports used by clients these days. second of all, what's 4444 for?
[22:27:33] <thewird_> haha
[22:27:40] <thewird_> i just did an idle whois
[22:27:46] <thewird_> to see if you were there
[22:27:52] <DeHackEd> don't trust it
[22:27:57] <DeHackEd> ever
[22:28:00] <pgimeno> No idea actually. 4444 is mentioned in KTorrent.
[22:28:10] <DeHackEd> ow, ktorrent
[22:28:11] <thewird_> oh lolz
[22:28:38] <thewird_> [16:20] *** DeHackEd has been idle 1206 minutes, signed on at Sat Jan 05 11:21:23 2008
[22:28:38] <thewird_> [16:21] DeHackEd: ... well, for one those are not the actual ports used by clients these days. second of all, what's 4444 for?
[22:28:43] <thewird_> isn't that wonderful timing :)
[22:28:59] <DeHackEd> strange, I don't get idle timing for you.
[22:29:29] <thewird_> :)
[22:29:29] <pgimeno> Is the client a likely cause of trouble?
[22:29:39] <pgimeno> I can try with BitTornado...
[22:30:06] <DeHackEd> if you're going to forward ports, open the configuration and check what port (or range) your client is using and forward that. nobody uses 6881 anymore
[22:30:21] <thewird_> i say use 5842
[22:30:26] <ShadowJK> You only get idle timing if you ask teh same server as the person is on, the idle time isn't tracked by !local servers
[22:30:45] <thewird_> lol
[22:30:46] <DeHackEd> ShadowJK: then you'd think that by commutivity, if he can query me and I can query him
[22:30:48] <thewird_> it works if he types
[22:31:01] <thewird_> [16:24] *** DeHackEd has been idle 12 seconds, signed on at Sat Jan 05 11:21:23 2008
[22:31:03] <DeHackEd> s/and/then/
[22:31:04] <thewird_> see now its right
[22:31:13] <kjetilho> DeHackEd: you need to query the server he's on.  repeat the nick to do that
[22:31:20] <kjetilho> e.g. /whois DeHackEd DeHackEd
[22:31:37] <DeHackEd> ah, that works
[22:31:39] <thewird_> ionno i use Trillian, its a button
[22:32:14] <DeHackEd> memo to me: write feature to my script that my idle time never goes under 5 minutes.
[22:32:40] <ShadowJK> over you mean?
[22:32:56] <thewird_> DeHackEd, I noticed you uploaded some files to the server so does that mean I can see it running somewhere :)
[22:33:23] <DeHackEd> no, I spent a few minutes trying to find a .sql file I might have written with database structure, but couldn't find it...
[22:33:51] <DeHackEd> but I did install mysql and do basic configuration
[22:34:03] <thewird_> you lost the database?
[22:34:04] <DeHackEd> also, Xen still hates  on me.
[22:34:11] <DeHackEd> no. I have a running database. I'll just dump it.
[22:34:11] <thewird_> i can help you with Xen
[22:34:20] <DeHackEd> remember that screen shot from before?
[22:34:25] <thewird_> yah
[22:34:34] <DeHackEd> unchanged
[22:34:40] <DeHackEd> unless I want to use some redhat stock kernel
[22:34:42] <thewird_> how did you install Xen?
[22:34:49] <thewird_> oh right
[22:34:53] <thewird_> you want custom compiled stuff
[22:35:02] <thewird_> *stuff = kernel
[22:35:07] <DeHackEd> I've tried both from source code, and from a yum install like you said. neither the prebuilt or my built xen would accept my custom kernel.
[22:35:12] <DeHackEd> but their xen would boot their kernel. go figure.
[22:35:54] <thewird_> why dont you extract their kernel and add what you need into it?
[22:36:48] <thewird_> I spent all morning diagnosing Xen networking only to find out 5 hours later that I was using the wrong gateway
[22:36:53] <thewird_> lol
[22:37:27] <DeHackEd> fedora boots faster when you delete all the startup apps like kudzu, hal, acpid, etc.
[22:37:47] <thewird_> it would
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[22:40:50] <DeHackEd> see what extra patches they add
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[22:41:11] <thewird_> the xen kernel is just a patched kernel
[22:41:14] <thewird_> lol
[22:41:50] <DeHackEd> yeah, but there's xen support in the latest kernels. I've enabled the Xen related stuff. isn't that enough?
[22:41:56] <DeHackEd> rather than using an old kernel with patches
[22:42:13] <thewird_> LMAO
[22:42:22] <thewird_> the xen support in the latest kernel is unrelated
[22:42:28] <thewird_> :P
[22:42:30] <DeHackEd> ... then?
[22:42:47] <thewird_> you need to compile it the old fashioned way
[22:42:50] <thewird_> let me google it
[22:43:12] <DeHackEd> I can let the xen source code do the grunt work for me, but damned if I'm letting it make the decisions...
[22:43:21] <DeHackEd> ah, "no dom0". I like kernelnewbies
[22:44:32] <thewird_> what OS you using btw?
[22:44:56] <DeHackEd> it'll be fedora 8
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[22:46:44] <thewird_> http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/1311
[22:46:51] <CarlFK> what is the bt command that will dump info about a torrent?
[22:46:52] <thewird_> take a look at 10 and 12
[22:47:26] <CarlFK> like the tracker it hits, md5s (or whatever) and the list of files
[22:47:31] <thewird_> you know the stock fedora-xen kernel probably has everything you want?
[22:47:32] <__henke__> CarlFK: btshowmetainfo
[22:47:48] <CarlFK> duh.  how did I miss that :)
[22:47:49] <CarlFK> thanks
[22:47:58] <DeHackEd> a lot of those steps involve appeasing the RPM toolset to create a real .rpm file.
[22:48:07] <DeHackEd> but I can work off of what I have so far.
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[23:16:28] <funkywizard> you're not still trying to load xen inside of vmware are you?
[23:16:36] <funkywizard> your time is worth *something* right?
[23:16:37] <thewird_> he is
[23:17:13] <funkywizard> great...
[23:17:18] <thewird_> lol
[23:18:23] <DreadWingKnight> boredom does the oddest things to some people
[23:18:44] <funkywizard> sounds more like a kernel purity e-penis ego trip
[23:18:47] <funkywizard> but thats just me
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[23:21:37] <funkywizard> i wish i could read unix timestamps as quickly and easily as normal time
[23:22:15] <thewird_> your good enough at regexs to create a log converter :P
[23:22:34] <funkywizard> i just want to know which logfile to open without having to convert the timestamps
[23:22:49] <thewird_> ah
[23:23:21] <funkywizard> i think i might see the issue
[23:23:37] <thewird_> of?
[23:23:49] <funkywizard> 13 will restart squid and rotate the logfiles even if the cache is rebuilding
[23:23:50] <kjetilho> ooh, 1.2 milliard is coming up in a couple of days
[23:24:36] <thewird_> i imagine that comes with a buttload of iowait :)
[23:24:47] <funkywizard> well
[23:25:01] <funkywizard> if you rotate the logfiles while it's rebuilding, squid wont answer any requests until its done rebuilding
[23:25:10] <funkywizard> whereas during a normal rebuild, it can process requests, just slower
[23:27:11] <funkywizard> hmm
[23:27:14] <funkywizard> the script looks ok
[23:27:17] <funkywizard> dont know what the deal is
[23:29:19] <thewird_> is there a way to check if cache is rebuilding?
[23:29:32] <funkywizard> i have my rotate squid script parse the current logfile
[23:29:35] <funkywizard> ;)
[23:30:08] <thewird_> lol
[23:30:11] <funkywizard> FATAL: Too many queued url_rewriter requests (1002 on 424)
[23:30:14] <funkywizard> great
[23:30:46] <funkywizard> rewriters sometimes will die without being properly killed and respawned
[23:30:57] <funkywizard> you can fix that by either setting up more rewriters, or rotating squid more often
[23:32:14] <funkywizard> i guess 150 rewriters may eventually leak in about 50 minutes on this server
[23:32:18] <funkywizard> but i rotate every hour
[23:32:24] <funkywizard> i'll just put it at 250 rewriters and hope for the best
[23:32:53] <funkywizard> and somehow it keeps rotating the squid logs anyway
[23:33:05] <funkywizard> bloody hell
[23:34:30] <funkywizard> whatever
[23:34:32] <funkywizard> they dont pay me to think
[23:35:06] <funkywizard> looks like traffic is back to normal in proxy world
[23:35:25] <thewird_> so it would seem
[23:35:35] <funkywizard> pretty close to it anyway
[23:35:45] <thewird_> yah iowait returns to the beast
[23:35:53] <funkywizard> lol
[23:36:07] <funkywizard> ugh
[23:36:08] <funkywizard> 430pm
[23:36:16] <thewird_> i pretty much didn't have to bother to look at it for 2 weeks
[23:36:27] <thewird_> maybe 3
[23:36:36] <thewird_> whats wrong with 430pm :P
[23:37:48] <funkywizard> i just woke up
[23:38:04] <funkywizard> yeah i hadnt had to do any work the last couple weeks either
[23:38:16] <funkywizard> i should get a beastserv
[23:39:07] <thewird_> build one for 3.5k
[23:39:36] <thewird_> dual quad xeon 3.16ghz
[23:50:54] <funkywizard> too much money
[23:51:21] <funkywizard> i dont need more than double the cpu i've already got

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