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[00:55:28] <hello__> hi
[00:55:46] <hello__> a torrent contains 2 cd's
[00:56:08] <hello__> how can i download each cd simultaneously as 2 different torrents
[00:58:43] <DreadWingKnight> torrents can't be separated that easily
[00:59:17] <hello__> how does the client recognize the torrent if you're adding it for the 2nd time
[00:59:32] <DreadWingKnight> based on the info dictionary of the torrent file
[00:59:46] <hello__> can't make it look like a different one ?
[01:00:11] <DreadWingKnight> you can't separate a multifile torrent into separate torrents
[01:00:19] <Zoe_> if you make it look like a different one, it becomes a different one, and you can't access the swarm
[01:00:37] <Zoe_> so, even if you did seperate it, you would have no one to download from
[01:01:20] <hello__> i don't uderstand. if i make it look different, each one will be treated normally, independently from the other
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[01:01:53] <Zoe_> but the trackers only work on .torrent files
[01:02:12] <hello__> i'm using utorrent that can download specific parts
[01:02:22] <hello__> to specific dorectories
[01:02:29] <hello__> directories
[01:02:46] <Zoe_> yes, but if you want to make the torrent you are downloading into 2 seperate torrents, it will not work
[01:03:01] <Zoe_> not because of your computer, but because of the people you are downloading from
[01:03:37] <The_8472> and because it makes no sense at all
[01:03:45] <The_8472> you want to download it simultanously
[01:03:56] <The_8472> great... just download the torrent, it downloads both CDs simultanously
[01:04:00] <The_8472> goal achived
[01:04:10] <hello__> so it's impossible to make a DUPLICATE copy of the same torrent, with just a slight change to trick the client ?
[01:04:23] <The_8472> you can do that
[01:04:28] <hello__> how
[01:04:33] <The_8472> but you won't be able to download anything with that torrent
[01:04:48] <Zoe_> <Zoe_> if you make it look like a different one, it becomes a different one, and you can't access the swarm
[01:04:48] <Zoe_> <Zoe_> so, even if you did seperate it, you would have no one to download from
[01:04:57] <The_8472> yep
[01:05:04] <hello__> i dunno what a swarm is
[01:05:17] <The_8472> google: "bittorrent swarm"
[01:05:20] <The_8472> quite simple
[01:05:31] <hello__> and why wouldn't i be able to access it
[01:05:41] <The_8472> you would be able to access it
[01:05:48] <The_8472> but you'd be the only person on the swarm
[01:06:10] <hello__> why
[01:06:20] <The_8472> because you insisted on modifying it
[01:06:32] <DreadWingKnight> modifying the torrent changes the identification code for it
[01:07:00] <hello__> i get it
[01:07:19] <The_8472> anyway, what you want doesn't make much sense
[01:07:57] <hello__> suppose i am downloading a movie
[01:08:24] <hello__> i want to see the half that i download first
[01:08:40] <Zoe_> then watch it while the second half is downloading :)
[01:09:02] <hello__> i can't know when i have a complete half
[01:09:05] <hello__> that's the problem
[01:09:10] <The_8472> that's not how bittorrent should be used. but even if you want to do that it still doesn't explain why you'd need 2 torrents for that
[01:09:33] <hello__> because i can't know when i have a complete half
[01:09:40] <The_8472> http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Sequential_downloading_is_bad
[01:09:50] <The_8472> you can know
[01:09:59] <The_8472> but anyway, what you want is not good
[01:10:12] <hello__> ok it's bad, but at least u anderstand what i want
[01:10:25] <The_8472> sure, but what you want has nothing to do with your initial question
[01:11:07] <hello__> if i had 2 torrents simultaneously, i would know when each half is complete
[01:11:37] <hello__> say you got it
[01:12:43] <The_8472> nope
[01:13:07] <The_8472> since any decent client shows per-file completion
[01:13:19] <The_8472> anyway, read the link
[01:14:05] <hello__> can utorrent show me that ?
[01:15:21] <The_8472> probably
[01:15:58] <hello__> i don't think so
[01:16:11] <DreadWingKnight> then you don't know where to look
[01:16:26] <hello__> can u show me
[01:16:30] <DreadWingKnight> files tab
[01:16:56] <hello__> files, then ?
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[01:17:52] <hello__> oh
[01:18:07] <hello__> i had the detailed info deactivated
[01:18:27] <hello__> very nice
[01:20:57] <hello__> do u know why movies are often in the form of rar parts ?
[01:22:05] <hello__> rather than zip
[01:22:20] <Zoe_> that has to do with traditions of the people who started the whole thing
[01:22:28] <DreadWingKnight> and zip sucks anyway
[01:22:55] <Zoe_> the movies are distributed through ftp... and breaking them into smaller parts helps with error correction
[01:23:09] <Zoe_> rar supports checksums for further error correction
[01:23:14] <Zoe_> in a nutshell
[01:23:19] <hello__> i see
[01:24:26] <Zoe_> the bittorrent protocol has it's own error correction, so rar's in movies tend to come from certain sources, and aren't really needed anymore
[01:25:48] <The_8472> using any kind of archive within bittorrent is a huge waste
[01:25:59] <The_8472> if you want to keep uploading you have to keep the archives
[01:26:08] <The_8472> if you want to use the data you have to unpack them
[01:26:13] <Zoe_> well, if it's say, a text file, then it's ok
[01:26:15] <hello__> yup
[01:26:16] <The_8472> it also prevents previewing of media files
[01:26:28] <The_8472> how often do you bittorrent a text file?
[01:26:33] <Zoe_> but movies... the compression on those is already super high
[01:27:22] <Zoe_> lol, I can't think of any reason to do that, The_8472, it was just an example of a format that benifits from compression
[01:27:54] <hello__> is there something ftp does better than bittorrent ?
[01:28:03] <The_8472> sure
[01:28:06] <The_8472> you can upload files
[01:28:07] <Zoe_> securiy
[01:28:11] <The_8472> and modify directory structure
[01:28:15] <The_8472> and user management
[01:28:38] <Zoe_> ftp has a lot of uses, really
[01:28:47] <hello__> ok
[01:28:53] <The_8472> BT is basically atomic and immutable data for mass distribution, ftp is pretty much the opposite
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[01:29:22] <Zoe_> right, BT is like television broadcasting, ftp is like going to the store
[01:29:29] <Zoe_> kinda
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[05:53:33] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f09_1198188234
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[15:07:09] <mrfree> hi all
[15:07:42] <mrfree> does the .torrent file contains hashes for the single file in it?
[15:09:03] <DreadWingKnight> it contains hashes for the pieces
[15:09:15] <DreadWingKnight> individual file hashes aren't typically included, but can be
[15:09:40] <mrfree> I have a partially downloaded torrent and I'd like to know which files are fully downloaded
[15:09:49] <The_8472> :roll:
[15:09:53] <The_8472> look at your torrent client
[15:10:53] <mrfree> I'm using mldonkey it reports the torrent is 55% complete but I'd like to have info about any single file in it
[15:11:03] <The_8472> get a real torrent client
[15:11:13] <The_8472> any decent client shows you the file completion percentages
[15:11:52] <mrfree> ok but now can I get this info?
[15:12:24] <mrfree> I'm not interested in % but only if a file is already downloaded or not
[15:12:42] <The_8472> well, if it's 100% for the specific file then the file is downloaded
[15:13:26] <mrfree> :) ok but my actual client doesn't show this info
[15:13:49] <The_8472> |15:11:14| <The_8472> get a real torrent client
[15:13:51] <cyb2063> and the circle of information is closed once again.
[15:14:17] <__henke__> mrfree: torrenttool (torrentutils) can check
[15:14:22] <mrfree> so I'm searhing for a command line tool to get hash info from a .torrent file example
[15:15:11] <mrfree> __henke__, ok I'm taking a look
[15:15:52] <mrfree> The_8472, any idea about a real client with splitted core and gui?
[15:15:53] <DreadWingKnight> it's almost impossible to extract the hash info for a single file from a multi-file torrent most of the time
[15:16:39] <The_8472> well, Azureus can run in headless mode and has (feature-limited) remote UIs if that's what you mean
[15:17:51] <mrfree> The_8472, azureus is java, isn't it?
[15:18:00] <The_8472> yes, so?
[15:18:39] <mrfree> The_8472, I think my little home server doesn't like it :)
[15:22:39] <mrfree> __henke__, I can't find torrentutils homepage it seems down
[15:23:51] <__henke__> mrfree: http://meroko.lindesign.se/torrenttool (perlscript)
[15:24:29] <mrfree> __henke__, many thanks
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[15:41:51] <mrfree> __henke__, that script is the one I'm looking for ;) thz
[15:56:11] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN9AZ-N3Npo
[15:58:29] <The_8472> ho, hoo, HOOO... i wish you a RED christmas >:)
[16:11:31] <TheSHAD0W> And I wish YOU a happy Festivus!
[16:11:54] <The_8472> ^^
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