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[01:06:23] <sd123> guys can anyone help me to get general knowledge about p2p networks? beside bittorrent , what are the other existing p2p networks ? are they connected to bittorrent ? how find ebook? what`s the best source to find one and is emule connected to bittorent ? thanks
[01:07:00] <sd123> *to
[01:07:09] <DeHackEd> bittorrent is not compatible with any other networks. some apps support bittorrent though.
[01:07:31] <DeHackEd> gnutella is one of the classic P2P networks, though the design is quite old. is kazaa still around?
[01:07:58] <sd123> are they cached somewhere ?
[01:08:03] <DeHackEd> ..?
[01:08:42] <sd123> some huge file server to store all the references and client (Seeders) ip
[01:08:52] <sd123> is there something like that ?
[01:09:01] <ShadowJK> no
[01:09:12] <sd123> then how they connect to each other?
[01:09:14] <DeHackEd> there's a server called a tracker. alternatively, a trackerless system exists. users register themselves to one of these
[01:12:24] <sd123> how the trackless system works ?  receiver just adds senders IP into its torrent app  ?
[01:13:02] <DeHackEd> it's a secondary P2P-like system for data storage. you use either pre-defined nodes, or nodes you've found out about previously.
[01:14:13] <sd123> seeding means to share file in normal torrent client app and what`s Leeching ?
[01:14:43] <DeHackEd> two possible answers. leeching might be downloading without seeding -- just a word to mean "not seeding"
[01:14:53] <DeHackEd> or it could be downloading without uploading -- a literal leech
[01:15:18] <DeHackEd> seed = user at 100% completion and hangs around just to upload
[01:16:58] <sd123> and how learn to search your needs from p2p networks while they are not centralized ? i have always problem in finding files i need
[01:17:13] <DeHackEd> and bittorrent cannot help you there. it has no search function
[01:17:58] <sd123> then how can people access files ? just  hand to hand ?
[01:18:11] <DeHackEd> they find the file elsewhere - usually via web browser
[01:18:35] <sd123> and where is that elsewhere :d ?
[01:18:41] <sd123> bittorrent.com ?
[01:18:46] <sd123> the official site?
[01:18:50] <DeHackEd> they have some stuff, but I think it's mostly commercial
[01:19:21] <DeHackEd> if you have a hankering for classic video games, I have a site with tool-assisted speedruns. I also have a few pieces of free software, like openoffice or Linux
[01:20:49] <sd123> classic video games , of course i love them , i`m fan of classic adventure games ! locus-arts `s and duck nuckem3D :D
[01:21:13] <sd123> i`d appreciate it
[01:21:25] <DeHackEd> we have that as well, but I meant like Super Mario Bros 2
[01:21:34] <DeHackEd> tasvideos.org
[01:21:52] <DeHackEd> there's a bunch of "download via bittorrent" links. click one, and bittorrent should start up
[01:22:24] <sd123> nice
[01:22:54] <sd123> tnx man , you brought me back to my childhood :D
[01:23:28] <sd123> have you played duke nukem3D ?
[01:23:33] <DeHackEd> no
[01:23:46] <sd123> what about classic adventure games?
[01:24:24] <sd123> mouse-select-click game
[01:24:39] <sd123> anyway forget it ;)
[01:24:43] <DeHackEd> no mouse on the SNES
[01:26:28] <sd123> anyway i wish if i had some time to play games ,but really i`m college-guy an searching for some e-books and knowledge centers
[01:28:31] <sd123> do you know where can i find them ? is there some websites like that one you gave me , for finding e-books ?
[01:29:32] <sd123> for example E-Mule has built-in search which results in reach downloads , what about bittorent ?
[01:29:45] <uau> nothing central
[01:29:54] <uau> there are sites which index some group of torrents
[01:30:01] <uau> but nothing for "bittorrent in general"
[01:30:27] <sd123> websites u mean ?
[01:30:33] <uau> yes
[01:30:45] <sd123> then how to get list of such websites?
[01:31:27] <ShadowJK> there is no list
[01:32:02] <sd123> :-"
[01:33:35] <sd123> i googled and found some porno advertising websites but they have few files , torrentz.com for example
[01:48:10] <K`Tetch> DeHackEd - not sure is kazaa is still arond, but the network is still going, I believe - with morpheus anyway
[01:48:38] <sd123> what`s limewire?
[01:49:12] <K`Tetch> try slyck.com  - that has some guides to the different p2p networks/protocols
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[15:09:23] <TheSHAD0W`> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/08/BU3ETQI3S.DTL - CompUSA going out of business
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[16:26:16] <giorgious> hi
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[19:25:17] <TheSHAD0W`> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/08/1350258
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[20:15:43] <TheSHAD0W`> http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-switches-to-opentracker-071208/
[20:18:07] <kjetilho> 9 million peers and 1 million torrents -- quite few people on each on average ...
[20:19:56] * TheSHAD0W` checks out a copy
[20:59:57] <The_8472> TheSHAD0W`, old news
[21:02:15] <The_8472> the mrtg stats are the most interesting ones though
[21:09:02] <jlouis_> mrtg stats?
[21:09:35] <jlouis_> http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/mrtg/
[21:09:36] <jlouis_> ah
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[21:42:30] <K`Tetch> yeah, was a slow news day
[21:44:52] <The_8472> cool, i can teach FF how to open unknown URI protocols :)
[21:44:58] <The_8472> magnet: for example
[21:45:02] <The_8472> FF3 ftw
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[21:49:59] <K`Tetch> have they fixed the slow/mem leak/acidtest/everything else yet The_8472?
[21:51:01] <K`Tetch> btw - I believe you can do that teaching in opera too, 9.0 onwards (or last 18 months)
[21:53:39] <K`Tetch> yep
[21:53:52] <K`Tetch> just did it in opera, took about a minute
[21:54:02] <The_8472> acid2:fixed; mem leaks: fixed, even for many leaks caused by plugins; page rendering: blazing fast thx to cairo
[21:58:56] <K`Tetch> hadn't it been runnign cairo since 2.x
[21:59:54] <The_8472> nope, they planned to use it, but it was postponed
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[23:20:53] <TheSHAD0W`> LOL
[23:21:09] <TheSHAD0W`> Those newfangled LED christmas lights have a major problem...
[23:21:14] <TheSHAD0W`> Squirrels keep attacking them.
[23:21:31] <TheSHAD0W`> The older lights had more voltage which helped protect them.  The LEDs get chewed on.
[23:21:41] <The_8472> rofl
[23:23:48] <TheSHAD0W`> News from Britain...
[23:23:51] <TheSHAD0W`> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=500548&in_page_id=1770
[23:24:09] <TheSHAD0W`> Paddington Bear interrogated over immigration status.
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[23:26:35] <TheSHAD0W`> News from Britain...
[23:26:44] <TheSHAD0W`> Er.
[23:26:49] <TheSHAD0W`> News from Australia...
[23:27:01] <TheSHAD0W`> Three police officers in Queensland were tasered.
[23:27:04] <TheSHAD0W`> By God.
[23:27:07] <TheSHAD0W`> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/lightning-strikes-police-car/2007/12/08/1196813072694.html
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[23:36:34] <The_8472> well, nature needs more juice... a lightning should make them into plasma
[23:37:14] <The_8472> would be way more dramatic and newsworthy
[23:37:31] <The_8472> "global warming fueling killer thunderstorms, vaporizing citizens!"
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[23:47:33] <The_8472> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071208-more-shots-fired-in-the-war-on-science.html <- someone here needs to die out

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